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    MNF -- Lets talk it through

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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2016 - 7:31 PM ET #1

    Rambling thoughts:

    Wentz the rookie on the road for the first time on MNF (rookie QBs are 1 of their last 16 SU on road MNF)

    Cutler 8-2 on MNF

    Bears OLine is awful, especially on the right edge where their RT was graded 67th out of 64 OL starters (yes you read that right) after week 1.

    If you Blitz Cutler he melts. That's what happened in Houston, they started blitzing and he melted. Then they had to throw to catch up which meant more blitzes and he melted more.  Its been that way his whole career.

    Eagles DLine is very good, especially around the edges, and Cox is no joke in the middle. Eagles didn't blitz much against Cleveland, rushed 3 mostly. However was that their scheme or was that just their plan vs RGIII?.

    Eagles have basically nobody to cover anyone in the secondary. Cleveland found success in jumpballs and Chicago has Jeffery and the potential that is Kevin White for jumballs all day long.

    Wentz used Ertz quite a bit (6 rec). He was his main mid guy, and went to him in crunch situations (see 4th down vs Cle). Ertz is gone now. Wentz did complete some nice passes but did so on basically one route, a deep post. Clevelands secondary isn't very good, and the deep post is a timing throw, Cleveland didn't respect Wentz throwing it so when he actually threw nice deep posts it was into single coverage and accurate for easy TDs.

    Chicago wont make that mistake and if you watch the Houston game Chicagos DBs didn't give up a deep post, infact they forced a ton of sideline jumpballs that Fuller and Hopkins simply out jumped them for. Their coverage was good down field, forced a ton of throws on outs (hardest throw in the game and one Wentz was awful at vs Cle). Philly doesn't have a Hopkins and Fuller to bail them out on jumpballs and Wentz isn't as versed in the back shoulder stuff as Brock was.

    Chicago does have a weakness covering kicks, so I do think Sproles could get serious yardage.

    Add it all up, who do we like?

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    Rambling thoughts:

    Wentz the rookie on the road for the first time on MNF (rookie QBs are 1 of their last 16 SU on road MNF)

    Cutler 8-2 on MNF

    Bears OLine is awful, especially on the right edge where their RT was graded 67th out of 64 OL starters (yes you read that right) after week 1.

    If you Blitz Cutler he melts. That's what happened in Houston, they started blitzing and he melted. Then they had to throw to catch up which meant more blitzes and he melted more.  Its been that way his whole career.

    Eagles DLine is very good, especially around the edges, and Cox is no joke in the middle. Eagles didn't blitz much against Cleveland, rushed 3 mostly. However was that their scheme or was that just their plan vs RGIII?.

    Eagles have basically nobody to cover anyone in the secondary. Cleveland found success in jumpballs and Chicago has Jeffery and the potential that is Kevin White for jumballs all day long.

    Wentz used Ertz quite a bit (6 rec). He was his main mid guy, and went to him in crunch situations (see 4th down vs Cle). Ertz is gone now. Wentz did complete some nice passes but did so on basically one route, a deep post. Clevelands secondary isn't very good, and the deep post is a timing throw, Cleveland didn't respect Wentz throwing it so when he actually threw nice deep posts it was into single coverage and accurate for easy TDs.

    Chicago wont make that mistake and if you watch the Houston game Chicagos DBs didn't give up a deep post, infact they forced a ton of sideline jumpballs that Fuller and Hopkins simply out jumped them for. Their coverage was good down field, forced a ton of throws on outs (hardest throw in the game and one Wentz was awful at vs Cle). Philly doesn't have a Hopkins and Fuller to bail them out on jumpballs and Wentz isn't as versed in the back shoulder stuff as Brock was.

    Chicago does have a weakness covering kicks, so I do think Sproles could get serious yardage.

    Add it all up, who do we like?

     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2016 - 7:42 PM ET #2

    bears and over
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    bears and over
     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2016 - 7:52 PM ET #3

    I like the under. Usually fade bears or no play but considering taking them tonight. Good write up
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    I like the under. Usually fade bears or no play but considering taking them tonight. Good write up
     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2016 - 8:00 PM ET #4

    I Like the Eagles plus the FG here.

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    I Like the Eagles plus the FG here.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2016 - 8:04 PM ET #5

    Houston was rocking during that game Week 1. Bears OL did struggle, but people underestimate noise factor on OLs. When you have Clowney and Watt across from you and you have to look in to see the snap because you can't hear, but the time your head snaps back around you're already dead.

    Have to factor that in tonight, as everyone points to Bears OL issues, well tonight they'll be able to hear, unlike last week.
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    Houston was rocking during that game Week 1. Bears OL did struggle, but people underestimate noise factor on OLs. When you have Clowney and Watt across from you and you have to look in to see the snap because you can't hear, but the time your head snaps back around you're already dead.

    Have to factor that in tonight, as everyone points to Bears OL issues, well tonight they'll be able to hear, unlike last week.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2016 - 8:22 PM ET #6

    White over 3.5 receptions..they have to get him involved and build his confidence.Eagles have some injuries should lead to some catches for White and Jeffrey
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    White over 3.5 receptions..they have to get him involved and build his confidence.Eagles have some injuries should lead to some catches for White and Jeffrey
     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2016 - 8:22 PM ET #7

    White over 3.5 receptions..they have to get him involved and build his confidence.Eagles have some injuries should lead to some catches for White and Jeffrey
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    White over 3.5 receptions..they have to get him involved and build his confidence.Eagles have some injuries should lead to some catches for White and Jeffrey
     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2016 - 8:22 PM ET #8

    White over 3.5 receptions..they have to get him involved and build his confidence.Eagles have some injuries should lead to some catches for White and Jeffrey
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    White over 3.5 receptions..they have to get him involved and build his confidence.Eagles have some injuries should lead to some catches for White and Jeffrey
     
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    White over 3.5 receptions..they have to get him involved and build his confidence.Eagles have some injuries should lead to some catches for White and Jeffrey
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    White over 3.5 receptions..they have to get him involved and build his confidence.Eagles have some injuries should lead to some catches for White and Jeffrey
     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2016 - 11:52 PM ET #10

    That OLine was the real difference, Bears couldn't give Cutler enough time to take advantage of the easy down field completions. 

    I thought the Bears found a real rhythm in the 2nd Q, and was going to ride it to a nice win, but there was a 3rd and 2 on the Philly 40 with around 6 minutes to go, Cutler got rushed, missed an open guy up top and threw to Royal who slipped on his break. Punt.

    To me that was the end of the rhythm, Eagles took lead into half, and Cutler behind in pass situations in 2nd half where the blitzes could come, was dead meat.

    Eagles threw me off a little because in Week 1 they rushed more then 4 only a couple times, kept the 3 LBs back and eyes on RGIII. Tonight completely different, went all out from the first snap after Cutler.
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    That OLine was the real difference, Bears couldn't give Cutler enough time to take advantage of the easy down field completions. 

    I thought the Bears found a real rhythm in the 2nd Q, and was going to ride it to a nice win, but there was a 3rd and 2 on the Philly 40 with around 6 minutes to go, Cutler got rushed, missed an open guy up top and threw to Royal who slipped on his break. Punt.

    To me that was the end of the rhythm, Eagles took lead into half, and Cutler behind in pass situations in 2nd half where the blitzes could come, was dead meat.

    Eagles threw me off a little because in Week 1 they rushed more then 4 only a couple times, kept the 3 LBs back and eyes on RGIII. Tonight completely different, went all out from the first snap after Cutler.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by StocktonShorts:

    That OLine was the real difference, Bears couldn't give Cutler enough time to take advantage of the easy down field completions. 

    I thought the Bears found a real rhythm in the 2nd Q, and was going to ride it to a nice win, but there was a 3rd and 2 on the Philly 40 with around 6 minutes to go, Cutler got rushed, missed an open guy up top and threw to Royal who slipped on his break. Punt.

    To me that was the end of the rhythm, Eagles took lead into half, and Cutler behind in pass situations in 2nd half where the blitzes could come, was dead meat.

    Eagles threw me off a little because in Week 1 they rushed more then 4 only a couple times, kept the 3 LBs back and eyes on RGIII. Tonight completely different, went all out from the first snap after Cutler.



    I went 5-0 yesterday and blew half my winnings on the Bears tonight, just kicking myself. I had the same feeling, wish I had bought out 50% at the half but that one good drive for the TD fooled me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StocktonShorts:

    That OLine was the real difference, Bears couldn't give Cutler enough time to take advantage of the easy down field completions. 

    I thought the Bears found a real rhythm in the 2nd Q, and was going to ride it to a nice win, but there was a 3rd and 2 on the Philly 40 with around 6 minutes to go, Cutler got rushed, missed an open guy up top and threw to Royal who slipped on his break. Punt.

    To me that was the end of the rhythm, Eagles took lead into half, and Cutler behind in pass situations in 2nd half where the blitzes could come, was dead meat.

    Eagles threw me off a little because in Week 1 they rushed more then 4 only a couple times, kept the 3 LBs back and eyes on RGIII. Tonight completely different, went all out from the first snap after Cutler.



    I went 5-0 yesterday and blew half my winnings on the Bears tonight, just kicking myself. I had the same feeling, wish I had bought out 50% at the half but that one good drive for the TD fooled me.
     
     
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    Posted: Sep. 20, 2016 - 12:05 AM ET #12

    Quote Originally Posted by jrgumpert:




    I went 5-0 yesterday and blew half my winnings on the Bears tonight, just kicking myself. I had the same feeling, wish I had bought out 50% at the half but that one good drive for the TD fooled me.


    Week 2 is hard to come out of unscathed. Always a brutal week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrgumpert:




    I went 5-0 yesterday and blew half my winnings on the Bears tonight, just kicking myself. I had the same feeling, wish I had bought out 50% at the half but that one good drive for the TD fooled me.


    Week 2 is hard to come out of unscathed. Always a brutal week.
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