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R E A L L Y ?
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Is Peyton Manning really Jesus Christ?
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#77
Quote Originally Posted by heeeeeh:
Tom Brady has never had the pressure to carry his team like Peyton Manning has because Brady has always had a defense and a good running game.
Tom Brady has never had the pressure to carry his team like Peyton Manning has because Brady has always had a defense and a good running game.
Tom Brady was a 6th round draft choice that came onto a team that was 3-13 the year before and had zero expectations whatsoever the year they won. He won a Superbowl as a 14 pt dog. Give him some credit please, you make it sound like he was Trent Dilfer with the Ravens. Furthermore, Manning had a HOF running back in Edgerrin James. Whose Brady's great running backs? Corey Dillon? Kevin Faulk? Antwain Smith? He didn't have Barry Sanders or Walter Payton. Not to mention Peyton Manning gets more preferential treatment than Michael Jordan used to get in the NBA.
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Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:
Tom Brady was a 6th round draft choice that came onto a team that was 3-13 the year before and had zero expectations whatsoever the year they won. He won a Superbowl as a 14 pt dog. Give him some credit please, you make it sound like he was Trent Dilfer with the Ravens. Furthermore, Manning had a HOF running back in Edgerrin James. Whose Brady's great running backs? Corey Dillon? Kevin Faulk? Antwain Smith? He didn't have Barry Sanders or Walter Payton. Not to mention Peyton Manning gets more preferential treatment than Michael Jordan used to get in the NBA.
The Colts running game hasn't been ranked above 15th in the league since 2000. Most recently it has been closer to the 20's and the last couple years dead last. There really was no pressure on Brady those first couple of years and you could argue being a 6th round pick compared to being picked 1st overall you is worse for the psych of a QB. Manning inherited the worst team in the league in 1998 and 2 years later turned them into a 13-3 team.
Brady get's the same treatment when he's playing like an elite QB. When they went 18-1 all you heard about was how he was so much better then Peyton. Now Peyton is taking guys like Pierre Garcon and Austin Collie to an AFC championship game with the 32nd ranked rushing offense and 24th ranked rushing defense.
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Well... now we have Brees and Manning in the Super Bowl. And appearently everyone's betting the Colts by the line movement. I actually think the Saints are the better team, and the Colts should have lost to Baltimore (if they could hold on to the ball), but we'll see what happens. Should be fun...
I hope Manning throws 3 or 4 picks, but that Saints D isn't too scary. Thing is though, they did make a habit of scoring earlier in the year. Maybe they can rekindle that.
I dont think "Manning is taking Garcon and Collie to the Super Bowl" though. I think they are going together with Manning. Garcon is a stud that just happened to be overlooked by the bigger schools. It happens all the time. Dont give Manning credit for making them players. They earned it themselves.
Also, Edgerrin James rushed for over 1,500 yards in '04. Then he did it again in '05. In '03 he ran for 1,259 yds. He also averaged 51.75 receptions a year (for four years) between '02 and '05. My point is, he was a stud. A beast. Please dont pretend that Manning has not had a running game or special players around him.
Reggie Wayne has averaged 85.71 receptions in each of the last seven seasons. Marvin Harrison averaged 100.18 in each of his first 11 seasons! Then we have Dallas Clark. He caught 100 balls this year and 77 last year. Peyton is awesome. There's no argument there. But please dont try to convince yourself that he hasn't had the players around him. He's not the only reason they win 12-14 games every year. He does have phenominal talent around him and he always has for nearly every year he's been playing. Let's not forget that.
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Quote Originally Posted by JimMack6:
Brees has only played well for one year? Did you just start watching football? Also Ben Roethlisberger is better than a "good" quarterback, but I will not get into that with you because I think we went through this last year.
Brees has only played well for one year? Did you just start watching football? Also Ben Roethlisberger is better than a "good" quarterback, but I will not get into that with you because I think we went through this last year.
Find me the tape of his playoff victories before this year.
Roethlisberger is an ok qb. If Pitt would have had somebody better they would have lost very few games this decade.
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Quote Originally Posted by SteelCash:
Well... now we have Brees and Manning in the Super Bowl. And appearently everyone's betting the Colts by the line movement. I actually think the Saints are the better team, and the Colts should have lost to Baltimore (if they could hold on to the ball), but we'll see what happens. Should be fun...
I hope Manning throws 3 or 4 picks, but that Saints D isn't too scary. Thing is though, they did make a habit of scoring earlier in the year. Maybe they can rekindle that.
I dont think "Manning is taking Garcon and Collie to the Super Bowl" though. I think they are going together with Manning. Garcon is a stud that just happened to be overlooked by the bigger schools. It happens all the time. Dont give Manning credit for making them players. They earned it themselves.
Also, Edgerrin James rushed for over 1,500 yards in '04. Then he did it again in '05. In '03 he ran for 1,259 yds. He also averaged 51.75 receptions a year (for four years) between '02 and '05. My point is, he was a stud. A beast. Please dont pretend that Manning has not had a running game or special players around him.
Reggie Wayne has averaged 85.71 receptions in each of the last seven seasons. Marvin Harrison averaged 100.18 in each of his first 11 seasons! Then we have Dallas Clark. He caught 100 balls this year and 77 last year. Peyton is awesome. There's no argument there. But please dont try to convince yourself that he hasn't had the players around him. He's not the only reason they win 12-14 games every year. He does have phenominal talent around him and he always has for nearly every year he's been playing. Let's not forget that.
That's all I needed to read to back up my original thinking that you're a fucking idiot. You can only wish the Steelers had a QB like Manning, unlike that over rated QB you have there, Ben Worthlessberger.
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Ad1620... with all due respect, how does Manning "control" the game? Just curious what you mean by that... 
When he's not on the field, of course, he can't control anything. And that's roughly half the game.
I just think Brees is as good if not better. And I think the same of other QB's... Manning had a great year. He had another "Manning year". But so did Brees, Rivers, Favre, Roethlisberger, Schaub, Romo, Rodgers, and Brady. Now of course Manning is certainly better than some of those, but IMO, not all of them need to take a back seat to PM. That's just my opinion though. It should be one Hell of a game. If both QB's bring their A-game, it's anybody's guess at to which team will end up victorious.
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Quote Originally Posted by samuelsosa:
Stats and MVP do not and should not go hand in hand.
1. I know that.
2. However, stats DO have something to do with the MVP voting.
No QB in this day age will ever win the MVP with an 80 QB
rating.
3. Read my first post again.
Just for conversation... do you have a Super Bowl prediction yet?
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