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    ***HUGE AFC CHAMPIONSHIP PLAY ON THE PATRIOTS VS RAVENS GAME***

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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2012 - 1:02 AM ET #251

    Quote Originally Posted by ZonaCats:

    No team with an offense or defense ranked 25 or less has ever won a super bowl. #Ravens only team left that can win it according to the stat



    thats an awesome stat.............
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZonaCats:

    No team with an offense or defense ranked 25 or less has ever won a super bowl. #Ravens only team left that can win it according to the stat



    thats an awesome stat.............
     
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    Prime your a conspiracy theorist like myself. Look at the last time there was a Superbowl rematch. Think it was Dallas/buffalo 1993 or 94. That.might eliminate ny/ne and Baltimore/ny. Also besides 2008 ab where ne/ny played there has been a team in the Superbowl that hasn't been their in at least 10+ years. Well Baltimore and sf been their in a while. If ne wins sf would be the team that hasn't been there in a while.
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    Prime your a conspiracy theorist like myself. Look at the last time there was a Superbowl rematch. Think it was Dallas/buffalo 1993 or 94. That.might eliminate ny/ne and Baltimore/ny. Also besides 2008 ab where ne/ny played there has been a team in the Superbowl that hasn't been their in at least 10+ years. Well Baltimore and sf been their in a while. If ne wins sf would be the team that hasn't been there in a while.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2012 - 1:10 AM ET #253

    Quote Originally Posted by IgetMoney101:

    Prime your a conspiracy theorist like myself. Look at the last time there was a Superbowl rematch. Think it was Dallas/buffalo 1993 or 94. That.might eliminate ny/ne and Baltimore/ny. Also besides 2008 ab where ne/ny played there has been a team in the Superbowl that hasn't been their in at least 10+ years. Well Baltimore and sf been their in a while. If ne wins sf would be the team that hasn't been there in a while.


    Yeah, I saw that stat where the same NFC team hasnt been in the bowl in the past 10 years...........funny thing is tho the last time both dogs won SU in the championship games was in the 2000 season, Ravens & Giants............
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    Quote Originally Posted by IgetMoney101:

    Prime your a conspiracy theorist like myself. Look at the last time there was a Superbowl rematch. Think it was Dallas/buffalo 1993 or 94. That.might eliminate ny/ne and Baltimore/ny. Also besides 2008 ab where ne/ny played there has been a team in the Superbowl that hasn't been their in at least 10+ years. Well Baltimore and sf been their in a while. If ne wins sf would be the team that hasn't been there in a while.


    Yeah, I saw that stat where the same NFC team hasnt been in the bowl in the past 10 years...........funny thing is tho the last time both dogs won SU in the championship games was in the 2000 season, Ravens & Giants............
     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2012 - 1:17 AM ET #254

    I don't see a rematch happening for Baltimore vs ny or ne vs ny. Ne/sf media will hype it up as team of the 80s vs the newest dynasty. Brady will try tying Montana for rings. Also best offense vs best defense who will make the difference. It's all setup for these teams.
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    I don't see a rematch happening for Baltimore vs ny or ne vs ny. Ne/sf media will hype it up as team of the 80s vs the newest dynasty. Brady will try tying Montana for rings. Also best offense vs best defense who will make the difference. It's all setup for these teams.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2012 - 2:01 AM ET #255

    Primetime name the corners for the Ravens?  Do any of these guys compare to Revis?  I hope im not sounding ignorant.  Point being is I would consider this Ravens D as good against subpar teams.  But against Brady I would tread lightly.  Dont bet against a Michigan Man!
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    Primetime name the corners for the Ravens?  Do any of these guys compare to Revis?  I hope im not sounding ignorant.  Point being is I would consider this Ravens D as good against subpar teams.  But against Brady I would tread lightly.  Dont bet against a Michigan Man!
     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2012 - 3:59 AM ET #256

    I heard this stats on the radio and I am not too sure how accurate it is but the guy said that Brady has troubled playing against Balt.  He has a figure in the 50% passing completion when playing Balt. 

    I am thinking about playing the under if this is true. 

    The only way for Balt to win is not let Brady has his days with jacking up them scores. 

    The battle of the brothers for the Superbowl is my prediction.  2 notorious defensive squads to the superbowl to throw people off when they say that defense wins championship. 

    Good ratings for the NFL too. 

    Good luck to all of our plays....

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    I heard this stats on the radio and I am not too sure how accurate it is but the guy said that Brady has troubled playing against Balt.  He has a figure in the 50% passing completion when playing Balt. 

    I am thinking about playing the under if this is true. 

    The only way for Balt to win is not let Brady has his days with jacking up them scores. 

    The battle of the brothers for the Superbowl is my prediction.  2 notorious defensive squads to the superbowl to throw people off when they say that defense wins championship. 

    Good ratings for the NFL too. 

    Good luck to all of our plays....

     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2012 - 7:30 AM ET #257

    Quote Originally Posted by nfl_brosuf:

    I heard this stats on the radio
    This is all i hear. Anything after this is hogwash!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nfl_brosuf:

    I heard this stats on the radio
    This is all i hear. Anything after this is hogwash!
     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2012 - 7:33 AM ET #258

    Quote Originally Posted by mtp104:

    Primetime name the corners for the Ravens?  Do any of these guys compare to Revis?  I hope im not sounding ignorant.  Point being is I would consider this Ravens D as good against subpar teams.  But against Brady I would tread lightly.  Dont bet against a Michigan Man!

    I hear what your saying..Webb is solid but Jimmy Smith is really the best cover man in a man-man situation for the Ravens because he's more physical..a rookie out of Colorado and very talented..kinda like McCourty and how he played last year...the defensive backfield is not bad for the Ravens but the Pats have lit up just about every secondary in the league this year...pressure is the key if the Ravens get this one and the Pats o-line is playing very well lately and practically all year

    Suggs, Lewis, and Ngata have 21 of the Ravens 48 sacks this year so the pressure really comes from everywhere. But, if you send too many you open up the gates for the Pats' superior short-passing game. They really need to get pressure with 5 in order to get it done. We'll see I understand why people like the 7 points here but the Pats have averaged 37 over their last 9 and have given up less than 20/game over that stretch.

    When you combine the pats' 34 takeaways this year and the Ravens inability at times to convert in the red zone......the OFFENSIVE pressure from the Pats beats the DEFENSIVE pressure for the Ravens. Tom Brady would have broke another passing record this year if Brees did'nt blow it up in the NFC.

    Pats 37-19

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtp104:

    Primetime name the corners for the Ravens?  Do any of these guys compare to Revis?  I hope im not sounding ignorant.  Point being is I would consider this Ravens D as good against subpar teams.  But against Brady I would tread lightly.  Dont bet against a Michigan Man!

    I hear what your saying..Webb is solid but Jimmy Smith is really the best cover man in a man-man situation for the Ravens because he's more physical..a rookie out of Colorado and very talented..kinda like McCourty and how he played last year...the defensive backfield is not bad for the Ravens but the Pats have lit up just about every secondary in the league this year...pressure is the key if the Ravens get this one and the Pats o-line is playing very well lately and practically all year

    Suggs, Lewis, and Ngata have 21 of the Ravens 48 sacks this year so the pressure really comes from everywhere. But, if you send too many you open up the gates for the Pats' superior short-passing game. They really need to get pressure with 5 in order to get it done. We'll see I understand why people like the 7 points here but the Pats have averaged 37 over their last 9 and have given up less than 20/game over that stretch.

    When you combine the pats' 34 takeaways this year and the Ravens inability at times to convert in the red zone......the OFFENSIVE pressure from the Pats beats the DEFENSIVE pressure for the Ravens. Tom Brady would have broke another passing record this year if Brees did'nt blow it up in the NFC.

    Pats 37-19

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2012 - 7:35 AM ET #259

    Quote Originally Posted by PrimeTimeBoys:



    Im lost.........how far back does it go? Are you saying the Pats fall into a trend that is 0-7 SU against them?
    We already know this.
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    Im lost.........how far back does it go? Are you saying the Pats fall into a trend that is 0-7 SU against them?
    We already know this.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2012 - 7:37 AM ET #260

    Quote Originally Posted by PrimeTimeBoys:

    That 49ers/Giants game has me  although I already bet the 49ers...........
    And your betting thousands on this stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrimeTimeBoys:

    That 49ers/Giants game has me  although I already bet the 49ers...........
    And your betting thousands on this stuff.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2012 - 8:27 AM ET #261

    Add to New England's offense how prepared they will be for what is to come. They have Bill O'Brien, Josh McDaniels, AND Tom Brady to prepare for what they will do to counter what the Ravens throw at them.

    Expect to see alot more of Hernandez in the backfield; Bill Belichick said earlier this week that Hernandez in the backfield, 'was no big deal and doesnt mean anything'. To that, I expect it means alot and we'll see more of it. Also more of Danny Woodhead, Welker, and Hernandez in the screen game to exact the pressure from the Ravens should be expected.

    With three brilliant minds preparing for what WILL be a raved-up Raven defense I don't think it matters what the hell the Ravens do....the Patriots will find a way to get theirs even if it gets off to a slow start.

    And oh ya by the way, Joey freakin' Flacco...come on man!!!

    ...my bet's in it's about 34 hours until I'm sluggin beers and woofin wings like a damn kid in a candy shop...hooorah!!

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    Add to New England's offense how prepared they will be for what is to come. They have Bill O'Brien, Josh McDaniels, AND Tom Brady to prepare for what they will do to counter what the Ravens throw at them.

    Expect to see alot more of Hernandez in the backfield; Bill Belichick said earlier this week that Hernandez in the backfield, 'was no big deal and doesnt mean anything'. To that, I expect it means alot and we'll see more of it. Also more of Danny Woodhead, Welker, and Hernandez in the screen game to exact the pressure from the Ravens should be expected.

    With three brilliant minds preparing for what WILL be a raved-up Raven defense I don't think it matters what the hell the Ravens do....the Patriots will find a way to get theirs even if it gets off to a slow start.

    And oh ya by the way, Joey freakin' Flacco...come on man!!!

    ...my bet's in it's about 34 hours until I'm sluggin beers and woofin wings like a damn kid in a candy shop...hooorah!!

     
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    Harbaugh said before last weeks Texans game, I think we can win up in New England next week knowing he was not gonna play his team hard last week & knowing he would win the game.............Flacco & the Ravens defense are gonna go to work on the Patriots like its 2009...............
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    Harbaugh said before last weeks Texans game, I think we can win up in New England next week knowing he was not gonna play his team hard last week & knowing he would win the game.............Flacco & the Ravens defense are gonna go to work on the Patriots like its 2009...............
     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2012 - 8:42 AM ET #263

    Prime Time..Prime Time..Prime Time!!...just like deion..lol...we'll see as they say the game is played on the field

    GL to you like I said before screw the money I don't have alot on it anywaysI just want the damn win!!!.....you can have your cover I want the WIN>

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    Prime Time..Prime Time..Prime Time!!...just like deion..lol...we'll see as they say the game is played on the field

    GL to you like I said before screw the money I don't have alot on it anywaysI just want the damn win!!!.....you can have your cover I want the WIN>

     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2012 - 9:24 AM ET #264

    Quote Originally Posted by dawizard2011:

    just to add onto that stat/trend i reposted above by PRIME.....

    DIV ROUND PLAYOFF GAMES WHERE TEAMS WHO WERE HOME FAVS AND SCORED 40 OR 40+ POINTS!!


    09-10 N.O. 48   =  N.O. (nc)  NFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME

    07-08 GB  42    =  NYG und(out) NFC CHAMP

    01-02  STL  45  =  STL (nc)  NFC CHAMP.

    99-00  STL  49  =  STL (nc)  NFC CHAMP
    99-00 JACK  62  =  TENN und(out)  AFC CHAMP

    98-99  MINN  41  =  ATL und(out)  NFC CHAMP

    95-96  PITT  40  =  PITT (nc)   AFC CHAMP



    94-95  SF  44     =  SF (c)   NFC CHAMP

    90-91  BUFF 44   =  BUFF (c)  NFC CHAMP


    teams that score 40 or 40+ in div games are  (2-7 ats) with 3 underdogs winning outright!!.....after the 1st two times of 90-91 and 94-95  those 40+ scoring teams are 0-7 ats with 3 outright losses!!

    PRIME.....yes the pats fit into this criteria this year,so play on the ravens!!.....this stat/trend goes back until 1990-91 season when they expanded to 12 team playoff format
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    just to add onto that stat/trend i reposted above by PRIME.....

    DIV ROUND PLAYOFF GAMES WHERE TEAMS WHO WERE HOME FAVS AND SCORED 40 OR 40+ POINTS!!


    09-10 N.O. 48   =  N.O. (nc)  NFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME

    07-08 GB  42    =  NYG und(out) NFC CHAMP

    01-02  STL  45  =  STL (nc)  NFC CHAMP.

    99-00  STL  49  =  STL (nc)  NFC CHAMP
    99-00 JACK  62  =  TENN und(out)  AFC CHAMP

    98-99  MINN  41  =  ATL und(out)  NFC CHAMP

    95-96  PITT  40  =  PITT (nc)   AFC CHAMP



    94-95  SF  44     =  SF (c)   NFC CHAMP

    90-91  BUFF 44   =  BUFF (c)  NFC CHAMP


    teams that score 40 or 40+ in div games are  (2-7 ats) with 3 underdogs winning outright!!.....after the 1st two times of 90-91 and 94-95  those 40+ scoring teams are 0-7 ats with 3 outright losses!!

    PRIME.....yes the pats fit into this criteria this year,so play on the ravens!!.....this stat/trend goes back until 1990-91 season when they expanded to 12 team playoff format
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrimeTimeBoys:

    Some more stats:


    Since 1990, we have never had both #2 seeds play each other in the bowl................


    When there are two #2 seeds playing in the championship games, one has lost SU & the other has won SU 9 of 11 times in 21 years the situation came up..................9-2............82%...........


    So if the Ravens lose SU, take the 49ers

    If the Ravens win SU, take the Giants

     

    Not sure about this prime, only twice in history has both home teams lost in conference championship games, if Ravens win I would ride the 9ers big..........................................

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrimeTimeBoys:

    Some more stats:


    Since 1990, we have never had both #2 seeds play each other in the bowl................


    When there are two #2 seeds playing in the championship games, one has lost SU & the other has won SU 9 of 11 times in 21 years the situation came up..................9-2............82%...........


    So if the Ravens lose SU, take the 49ers

    If the Ravens win SU, take the Giants

     

    Not sure about this prime, only twice in history has both home teams lost in conference championship games, if Ravens win I would ride the 9ers big..........................................

     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2012 - 9:26 AM ET #266

    Quote Originally Posted by ZonaCats:

    No team with an offense or defense ranked 25 or less has ever won a super bowl. #Ravens only team left that can win it according to the stat

     

    Yes Ravens are the one team remaining with the most common denominators of past SB Champs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZonaCats:

    No team with an offense or defense ranked 25 or less has ever won a super bowl. #Ravens only team left that can win it according to the stat

     

    Yes Ravens are the one team remaining with the most common denominators of past SB Champs.

     
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    DIV ROUND PLAYOFF GAMES WHERE TEAMS WHO WERE HOME FAVS AND SCORED 40 OR 40+ POINTS!!

    11-12  N.E. 45  =  N.E. (nc) ??....or BALT und(out) ??

    09-10 N.O. 48   =  N.O. (nc)  NFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME

    07-08 GB  42    =  NYG und(out) NFC CHAMP

    01-02  STL  45  =  STL (nc)  NFC CHAMP.

    99-00  STL  49  =  STL (nc)  NFC CHAMP
    99-00 JACK  62  =  TENN und(out)  AFC CHAMP

    98-99  MINN  41  =  ATL und(out)  NFC CHAMP

    95-96  PITT  40  =  PITT (nc)   AFC CHAMP



    94-95  SF  44     =  SF (c)   NFC CHAMP

    90-91  BUFF 44   =  BUFF (c)  NFC CHAMP


    teams that score 40 or 40+ in div games are  (2-7 ats) with 3 underdogs winning outright!!.....after the 1st two times of 90-91 and 94-95  those 40+ scoring teams are 0-7 ats with 3 outright losses!!

    WITH THIS STAT/TREND ABOVE SINCE THE 1990-91 SEASON WHEN THE NFL EXPANDED TO 12 PLAYOFF TEAMS,THE PLAY THIS SUNDAY IS ON  RAVENS + 7
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    DIV ROUND PLAYOFF GAMES WHERE TEAMS WHO WERE HOME FAVS AND SCORED 40 OR 40+ POINTS!!

    11-12  N.E. 45  =  N.E. (nc) ??....or BALT und(out) ??

    09-10 N.O. 48   =  N.O. (nc)  NFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME

    07-08 GB  42    =  NYG und(out) NFC CHAMP

    01-02  STL  45  =  STL (nc)  NFC CHAMP.

    99-00  STL  49  =  STL (nc)  NFC CHAMP
    99-00 JACK  62  =  TENN und(out)  AFC CHAMP

    98-99  MINN  41  =  ATL und(out)  NFC CHAMP

    95-96  PITT  40  =  PITT (nc)   AFC CHAMP



    94-95  SF  44     =  SF (c)   NFC CHAMP

    90-91  BUFF 44   =  BUFF (c)  NFC CHAMP


    teams that score 40 or 40+ in div games are  (2-7 ats) with 3 underdogs winning outright!!.....after the 1st two times of 90-91 and 94-95  those 40+ scoring teams are 0-7 ats with 3 outright losses!!

    WITH THIS STAT/TREND ABOVE SINCE THE 1990-91 SEASON WHEN THE NFL EXPANDED TO 12 PLAYOFF TEAMS,THE PLAY THIS SUNDAY IS ON  RAVENS + 7
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by dawizard2011:


    PRIME.....yes the pats fit into this criteria this year,so play on the ravens!!.....this stat/trend goes back until 1990-91 season when they expanded to 12 team playoff format


    Another nice stat to tag along & make our Ravens play even more stronger, if thats even possible, Ravens will cover, would also like to see them win SU..............
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    PRIME.....yes the pats fit into this criteria this year,so play on the ravens!!.....this stat/trend goes back until 1990-91 season when they expanded to 12 team playoff format


    Another nice stat to tag along & make our Ravens play even more stronger, if thats even possible, Ravens will cover, would also like to see them win SU..............
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:

     

    Not sure about this prime, only twice in history has both home teams lost in conference championship games, if Ravens win I would ride the 9ers big..........................................



    Claw, that girl in your avatar needs a tongue bath , hot damn shes gorgeous...............getting back to football, lets see here:


    I can only go back 26 years & twice did both the home teams lose SU in the CC games in the past 26 years, did I post this before or did I miss it, gotta go back & look but here are the years:

    1997: G Bay & Denver

    1992: Bills & Dallas


    BUT 


     6 different times did the home teams both not cover in the CC games past 26 years..........

    So with that said, you do have a point & if the Patriots win & dont cover, the odds are still against the Giants with only 23% chance of covering if we look at past 26 years of the CC history.............


    Odds of both road teams winning straight up are 7% if we strictly go by the CC history past 26 years   


    Now anything can happen & trends like these can be broken but "those who fail to to learn from history are doomed to repeat it" like me & my money management problems 


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    Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:

     

    Not sure about this prime, only twice in history has both home teams lost in conference championship games, if Ravens win I would ride the 9ers big..........................................



    Claw, that girl in your avatar needs a tongue bath , hot damn shes gorgeous...............getting back to football, lets see here:


    I can only go back 26 years & twice did both the home teams lose SU in the CC games in the past 26 years, did I post this before or did I miss it, gotta go back & look but here are the years:

    1997: G Bay & Denver

    1992: Bills & Dallas


    BUT 


     6 different times did the home teams both not cover in the CC games past 26 years..........

    So with that said, you do have a point & if the Patriots win & dont cover, the odds are still against the Giants with only 23% chance of covering if we look at past 26 years of the CC history.............


    Odds of both road teams winning straight up are 7% if we strictly go by the CC history past 26 years   


    Now anything can happen & trends like these can be broken but "those who fail to to learn from history are doomed to repeat it" like me & my money management problems 


     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2012 - 10:19 AM ET #270

    Quote Originally Posted by Hendog:

    This is all i hear. Anything after this is hogwash!

    I seen pretty much the same stat on ESPN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendog:

    This is all i hear. Anything after this is hogwash!

    I seen pretty much the same stat on ESPN.

     
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    no the difference between us is i bet real money and am up on the season and you bet fake money and are down on the season
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    no the difference between us is i bet real money and am up on the season and you bet fake money and are down on the season
     
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    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^




    I wanna be just like you when I grow up...............
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    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^




    I wanna be just like you when I grow up...............
     
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    i dont blame you for not wanting to be you.....but your already older then me
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    i dont blame you for not wanting to be you.....but your already older then me
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by dgold69sports:

    no the difference between us is i bet real money and am up on the season and you bet fake money and are down on the season

    ..... although I don't KNOW if he's betting with real money he does provide information that is helpful and puts in his time, which earns a certain amount of respect. But, the practical GUARUNTEE that the Ravens will cover this week is taking a big risk at people calling him out after the game.

    I think the Pats cover but I think the Ravens certainly COULD....this way I don't run the risk of responding to people calling me an idiot.

    The main point of this forum though is to trade info and not call eachother moron's, I'm pretty sure...and, this is the biggest Pats/Ravens thread so that's why I keep coming back...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgold69sports:

    no the difference between us is i bet real money and am up on the season and you bet fake money and are down on the season

    ..... although I don't KNOW if he's betting with real money he does provide information that is helpful and puts in his time, which earns a certain amount of respect. But, the practical GUARUNTEE that the Ravens will cover this week is taking a big risk at people calling him out after the game.

    I think the Pats cover but I think the Ravens certainly COULD....this way I don't run the risk of responding to people calling me an idiot.

    The main point of this forum though is to trade info and not call eachother moron's, I'm pretty sure...and, this is the biggest Pats/Ravens thread so that's why I keep coming back...

     
     
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    well said onebrokebloke, it's hard to know for sure who's really wagering what or at all. i visit these forums for information, insight, and discussion.
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