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    lawstyle
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2008 - 1:11 PM ET #1

    YTD Posted:  7-0-0
    Average Margin of Cover:  11.71 points/game

    I've been trying to figure out since last night why the line on the Pistons-Cavs game is only a PK, and I'm convinced this is just a very good opportunity to bet.  My pick for today is Detroit PK.  

    I have no idea why the spread for this game is even.  I would have guessed, before the line came out, that a Detroit PK would have gotten massive action from the public, similar to last night's GS-Sac game, where something like 80 percent of the public bet on the Warriors and fell into the trap.  This is definitely not a trap, since the  consensus is almost 50/50 and the line is moving in favor of the Cavs.  I think I just underestimated the love that people have for the Cavs, or more specifically Lebron.  This is good news for us.  Lines makers essentially gave Detroit backers a few extra points just because the public likes Cleveland so much.  These few points will allow me some margin for error in my analysis, that is, if there is an error.  The public is just slightly on Detroit's side, but the line is moving pretty rapidly away from Detroit, which means Vegas expected more bettors on the Cavs and didn't get them.  Now they are adjusting the line to do what they initially intended, get people to bet on Cleveland.

    With Vegas' intentions out of the way, let's look at the match up.  The most important pieces of information that odds makers used to form this line and bettors used to pick a side is the fact that the Cavs are hot at home, Detroit is coming off a back-to-back, and Cleveland has a tendency to give Detroit problems.  First off, the Cavs have won seven straight at home.  It's never a good idea to bet against a hot team at home, especially when the line is a PK, but in this case, I don't see the problem with it.  In those 7 games, the Cavs did not play a single team above the .500 mark.  They only covered the spread in 4 of those games, losing ATS in their last home game to a Bobcats team that was beaten by the GRIZZLIES a night before.  Their seven game home winning streak is simply not that impressive, as they played weak teams in all of the games.  They mowed through the cupcake portion of their schedule, there is no doubt, but what have they done against better teams?  Well, they've lost just about every tough game since February.  Immediately before their 7 game winning streak, they played three contenders from the West (Houston, Denver, San Antonio), all at home, and they lost each game, none of which were within less than 8 points.  The Pistons, on the other hand, just ripped off an effortless three game winning spree against the exact same teams.

    It's not like the Cavs are coming into this game with any real momentum either--they've lost 3 out of their last 4 straight up, including one to the Nets and the Wizards, the same Wizards team that lost at home to the Hawks the other night.  The Cavaliers are not playing at a high level at all right now.  They can mow down the easy teams at home, but they lose to just about anyone on the road and any top team at home.  But the spread is even?  What?

    Let's take a look at the Pistons:  They've won their last three games against playoff contenders from the west, knocking them off easily.  On the road, they are 4-2 SU in their last 6 games, with two of the losses coming to the two toughest teams in the league to beat--Boston, and the Jazz at home.  On the other hand, they've beaten Denver and Phoenix on the road, never an easy task.  The Pistons certainly are not an absolutely dominant team on the road, but they are top 5 in the league.  They play very well in big games, at home or on the road, and have the veteran leadership to stick to their game plan no matter where they are playing.

    The motivation factor is not an issue here.  If anything the Pistons will want to prove that they can beat Cleveland in a big game after last season's playoff loss.  They blew out the Cavaliers earlier this year and demonstrated that the Cavs don't have their number and aren't going to pull out a sneaky win.

    A few more bits of information to add:  After coming off a victory by more than 10 points this year, the Pistons are 12-2 ATS if playing on the road.  They are 9-5 ATS with no days rest.  The Pistons are shooting a ridiculous 51% in their previous 5 games and scoring 104 points on average against very good teams.  The Pistons are simply the stronger team here.

    Lebron is always a factor in games like these.  I am not ignoring his ability to take a game into his own hands and win it.  However, I have watched this team after their deal with the Bulls, and I don't think they are as good as they used to be.  Ben Wallace, in my opinion, holds the team up more than he helps them.  Delonte West is a weak point guard.  The Pistons will have Z matched up well with Rasheed.  Lebron will be dangerous, but where was he when they lost to Houston, or Denver, or the Spurs, all at home?  He can't win everything.

    I hope you guys can get this before the Pistons are favored.  If not, get it at -1 or whatever.  Pistons, I think, will win this SU.

    Good luck, let's keep things bouncing my way
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    YTD Posted:  7-0-0
    Average Margin of Cover:  11.71 points/game

    I've been trying to figure out since last night why the line on the Pistons-Cavs game is only a PK, and I'm convinced this is just a very good opportunity to bet.  My pick for today is Detroit PK.  

    I have no idea why the spread for this game is even.  I would have guessed, before the line came out, that a Detroit PK would have gotten massive action from the public, similar to last night's GS-Sac game, where something like 80 percent of the public bet on the Warriors and fell into the trap.  This is definitely not a trap, since the  consensus is almost 50/50 and the line is moving in favor of the Cavs.  I think I just underestimated the love that people have for the Cavs, or more specifically Lebron.  This is good news for us.  Lines makers essentially gave Detroit backers a few extra points just because the public likes Cleveland so much.  These few points will allow me some margin for error in my analysis, that is, if there is an error.  The public is just slightly on Detroit's side, but the line is moving pretty rapidly away from Detroit, which means Vegas expected more bettors on the Cavs and didn't get them.  Now they are adjusting the line to do what they initially intended, get people to bet on Cleveland.

    With Vegas' intentions out of the way, let's look at the match up.  The most important pieces of information that odds makers used to form this line and bettors used to pick a side is the fact that the Cavs are hot at home, Detroit is coming off a back-to-back, and Cleveland has a tendency to give Detroit problems.  First off, the Cavs have won seven straight at home.  It's never a good idea to bet against a hot team at home, especially when the line is a PK, but in this case, I don't see the problem with it.  In those 7 games, the Cavs did not play a single team above the .500 mark.  They only covered the spread in 4 of those games, losing ATS in their last home game to a Bobcats team that was beaten by the GRIZZLIES a night before.  Their seven game home winning streak is simply not that impressive, as they played weak teams in all of the games.  They mowed through the cupcake portion of their schedule, there is no doubt, but what have they done against better teams?  Well, they've lost just about every tough game since February.  Immediately before their 7 game winning streak, they played three contenders from the West (Houston, Denver, San Antonio), all at home, and they lost each game, none of which were within less than 8 points.  The Pistons, on the other hand, just ripped off an effortless three game winning spree against the exact same teams.

    It's not like the Cavs are coming into this game with any real momentum either--they've lost 3 out of their last 4 straight up, including one to the Nets and the Wizards, the same Wizards team that lost at home to the Hawks the other night.  The Cavaliers are not playing at a high level at all right now.  They can mow down the easy teams at home, but they lose to just about anyone on the road and any top team at home.  But the spread is even?  What?

    Let's take a look at the Pistons:  They've won their last three games against playoff contenders from the west, knocking them off easily.  On the road, they are 4-2 SU in their last 6 games, with two of the losses coming to the two toughest teams in the league to beat--Boston, and the Jazz at home.  On the other hand, they've beaten Denver and Phoenix on the road, never an easy task.  The Pistons certainly are not an absolutely dominant team on the road, but they are top 5 in the league.  They play very well in big games, at home or on the road, and have the veteran leadership to stick to their game plan no matter where they are playing.

    The motivation factor is not an issue here.  If anything the Pistons will want to prove that they can beat Cleveland in a big game after last season's playoff loss.  They blew out the Cavaliers earlier this year and demonstrated that the Cavs don't have their number and aren't going to pull out a sneaky win.

    A few more bits of information to add:  After coming off a victory by more than 10 points this year, the Pistons are 12-2 ATS if playing on the road.  They are 9-5 ATS with no days rest.  The Pistons are shooting a ridiculous 51% in their previous 5 games and scoring 104 points on average against very good teams.  The Pistons are simply the stronger team here.

    Lebron is always a factor in games like these.  I am not ignoring his ability to take a game into his own hands and win it.  However, I have watched this team after their deal with the Bulls, and I don't think they are as good as they used to be.  Ben Wallace, in my opinion, holds the team up more than he helps them.  Delonte West is a weak point guard.  The Pistons will have Z matched up well with Rasheed.  Lebron will be dangerous, but where was he when they lost to Houston, or Denver, or the Spurs, all at home?  He can't win everything.

    I hope you guys can get this before the Pistons are favored.  If not, get it at -1 or whatever.  Pistons, I think, will win this SU.

    Good luck, let's keep things bouncing my way
     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2008 - 1:20 PM ET #2

    I am leaning on this one too Lawstyle. Along with hornets and Denver.GL
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    I am leaning on this one too Lawstyle. Along with hornets and Denver.GL
     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2008 - 1:31 PM ET #3

    love all the info.. great stuff...i got det +1   is there that many people on clev or just a bluff you said take it before det fav but its going the other way
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    love all the info.. great stuff...i got det +1   is there that many people on clev or just a bluff you said take it before det fav but its going the other way
     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2008 - 1:34 PM ET #4

    Nice write up Law! Cleveland has covered 7 of the last 8 against Detroit. This may be why vegas has the line at pick and Cavs -1.
     
    nawlins - I agree with the Hornets, but why would you go with Nuggets over a hot Sixers team at home and Denver on a b2b which they are 0-5 ATS for the year? Denver is terrible on the road as well.
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    Nice write up Law! Cleveland has covered 7 of the last 8 against Detroit. This may be why vegas has the line at pick and Cavs -1.
     
    nawlins - I agree with the Hornets, but why would you go with Nuggets over a hot Sixers team at home and Denver on a b2b which they are 0-5 ATS for the year? Denver is terrible on the road as well.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2008 - 1:36 PM ET #5

    I'm not really sure what the deal is with the line moving like that.  I guess it doesn't really matter as long as it doesn't move too much and the consensus stays around 50/50.  I don't care what Vegas does with the line before the game too much, I think they misunderstand this match up so I'm not taking any hints from them.
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    I'm not really sure what the deal is with the line moving like that.  I guess it doesn't really matter as long as it doesn't move too much and the consensus stays around 50/50.  I don't care what Vegas does with the line before the game too much, I think they misunderstand this match up so I'm not taking any hints from them.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2008 - 1:36 PM ET #6

    great write up
     
    love the pick
     
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    great write up
     
    love the pick
     
     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2008 - 1:37 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by Golferman:

    Nice write up Law! Cleveland has covered 7 of the last 8 against Detroit. This may be why vegas has the line at pick and Cavs -1.
     
    nawlins - I agree with the Hornets, but why would you go with Nuggets over a hot Sixers team at home and Denver on a b2b which they are 0-5 ATS for the year? Denver is terrible on the road as well.


    Yea, apparently I forgot to mention that... the Cleveland team that covered those 7 games is not the same team now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golferman:

    Nice write up Law! Cleveland has covered 7 of the last 8 against Detroit. This may be why vegas has the line at pick and Cavs -1.
     
    nawlins - I agree with the Hornets, but why would you go with Nuggets over a hot Sixers team at home and Denver on a b2b which they are 0-5 ATS for the year? Denver is terrible on the road as well.


    Yea, apparently I forgot to mention that... the Cleveland team that covered those 7 games is not the same team now.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2008 - 1:39 PM ET #8

    Agreed. I would not worry too much about the consensus either. Detroit is the better team here, IMO and the better team usually wins SU and covers for a high percentage. Like the pick!!
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    Agreed. I would not worry too much about the consensus either. Detroit is the better team here, IMO and the better team usually wins SU and covers for a high percentage. Like the pick!!
     
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    I think the perception about this line stems from what LeBron was able to do to the Pistons in the playoffs. He absolutly dominated the Pistons whenever he wanted, and I think a lot of those images are what is remembered in the minds of the public.  However, these are completly different teams now, and I don't think anyone can cap this game based on what happened before the trade.
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    I think the perception about this line stems from what LeBron was able to do to the Pistons in the playoffs. He absolutly dominated the Pistons whenever he wanted, and I think a lot of those images are what is remembered in the minds of the public.  However, these are completly different teams now, and I don't think anyone can cap this game based on what happened before the trade.
     
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    Golferman - Just considering Denver on this one. Its getting real hairy in the West. Denver has 9 games left on the road and they know they have to start winning these away from home if they want a shot for a seed. I just believe that they matchup well with Philly and can outscore them. Philly is hot but Denver is due. Denver will break 100 points for this game and Philly ATS record at home this year is 2-6-2 when allowing 100+ points. Its not a compelling trend but this Denver team did put 120 on one of the best defenses in the NBA in there house. Denver just couldn't play any D last night and it screwed them. If Philly allows Denver to play there up tempo ball Philly may find themself getting beat by double digits. Like I said I have more info and will think this through but for me its either Denver or no play.
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    Golferman - Just considering Denver on this one. Its getting real hairy in the West. Denver has 9 games left on the road and they know they have to start winning these away from home if they want a shot for a seed. I just believe that they matchup well with Philly and can outscore them. Philly is hot but Denver is due. Denver will break 100 points for this game and Philly ATS record at home this year is 2-6-2 when allowing 100+ points. Its not a compelling trend but this Denver team did put 120 on one of the best defenses in the NBA in there house. Denver just couldn't play any D last night and it screwed them. If Philly allows Denver to play there up tempo ball Philly may find themself getting beat by double digits. Like I said I have more info and will think this through but for me its either Denver or no play.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2008 - 1:57 PM ET #12

    nawlins, make it a no play, don't think denver is the right side
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    nawlins, make it a no play, don't think denver is the right side
     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2008 - 2:04 PM ET #13

    Law... Just saw a write up saying this is a revenge game for the Cavs when Detroit hammered them by 35 and King James had to leave early in that game with an injury.  I am not a fan of the revenge factor in the NBA, but thought.  Also, this is Detroits 3 game in 4 nights and they played tough last night.  Any thoughts ??  I cannot see Detroit losing this as they are on a great stride as of late...
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    Law... Just saw a write up saying this is a revenge game for the Cavs when Detroit hammered them by 35 and King James had to leave early in that game with an injury.  I am not a fan of the revenge factor in the NBA, but thought.  Also, this is Detroits 3 game in 4 nights and they played tough last night.  Any thoughts ??  I cannot see Detroit losing this as they are on a great stride as of late...
     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2008 - 2:07 PM ET #14

    Thanks Lawstyle,I trust your opinion and will not play it. Law what do you think about the Hornets tonight. Golferman likes it too.
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    Thanks Lawstyle,I trust your opinion and will not play it. Law what do you think about the Hornets tonight. Golferman likes it too.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2008 - 2:09 PM ET #15

    I love when the reason someone is on the other side of me uses the "revenge factor" to justify their pick--It is bogus, and they are digging for a reason to bet that side.  Detroit will play their best tonight.  Cleveland will play their best tonight.  Bottom line, Cleveland will not play any better because they were blown out last time, and the better team will win, not the more "angry" team.

    I also do not have a concern about the Pistons being tired.  Chauncey sat for 2 quarters yesterday because the Pistons built such a large lead.  The other starters got a lot of rest too, most barely played more than a half.  Pistons have an awesome bench and will be fine. 

    Hope that gives you some more confidence with this pick.  If you want I can dig up a paragraph I wrote about the "revenge" factor in sports betting a few weeks back.
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    I love when the reason someone is on the other side of me uses the "revenge factor" to justify their pick--It is bogus, and they are digging for a reason to bet that side.  Detroit will play their best tonight.  Cleveland will play their best tonight.  Bottom line, Cleveland will not play any better because they were blown out last time, and the better team will win, not the more "angry" team.

    I also do not have a concern about the Pistons being tired.  Chauncey sat for 2 quarters yesterday because the Pistons built such a large lead.  The other starters got a lot of rest too, most barely played more than a half.  Pistons have an awesome bench and will be fine. 

    Hope that gives you some more confidence with this pick.  If you want I can dig up a paragraph I wrote about the "revenge" factor in sports betting a few weeks back.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2008 - 2:11 PM ET #16

    Hornets... really not sure about that one man, it's tricky.  If West is out, I'd lean Houston.  If not, I have no idea.  And no guarantees on the Denver game, just a lean... GL
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    Hornets... really not sure about that one man, it's tricky.  If West is out, I'd lean Houston.  If not, I have no idea.  And no guarantees on the Denver game, just a lean... GL
     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2008 - 2:12 PM ET #17

    Reaad my post carefully...I said I do not believe in revenge factors only posted what I read.  I also am not on the opposite side aas I said I cannot see Detroit losing.  I did not say I like the Cavs...Just asking your opinion which I respect  Sorry !!!
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    Reaad my post carefully...I said I do not believe in revenge factors only posted what I read.  I also am not on the opposite side aas I said I cannot see Detroit losing.  I did not say I like the Cavs...Just asking your opinion which I respect  Sorry !!!
     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2008 - 2:14 PM ET #18

    Thanks Law.  I agree with you and you have great reasoning and took a lot of time to study this and share Thanks.  DETROIT  
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    Thanks Law.  I agree with you and you have great reasoning and took a lot of time to study this and share Thanks.  DETROIT  
     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2008 - 2:14 PM ET #19

    I know man, I read it, I wasn't referring to you I was referring to the guy you said wrote that.  Sorry, I should've made that clearer.  I agreed with everything you said, didn't mean to sound like a dick
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    I know man, I read it, I wasn't referring to you I was referring to the guy you said wrote that.  Sorry, I should've made that clearer.  I agreed with everything you said, didn't mean to sound like a dick
     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2008 - 2:15 PM ET #20

    Quote Originally Posted by lawstyle:

    Hornets... really not sure about that one man, it's tricky.  If West is out, I'd lean Houston.  If not, I have no idea.  And no guarantees on the Denver game, just a lean... GL

     

    Yeah Lawstyle,I am thinking I just might play Detroit tonight and watch my hometeam beat the Rockets tonight. Damn its a tough card today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawstyle:

    Hornets... really not sure about that one man, it's tricky.  If West is out, I'd lean Houston.  If not, I have no idea.  And no guarantees on the Denver game, just a lean... GL

     

    Yeah Lawstyle,I am thinking I just might play Detroit tonight and watch my hometeam beat the Rockets tonight. Damn its a tough card today.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2008 - 2:16 PM ET #21

    Quote Originally Posted by nawlins51:

     

    Yeah Lawstyle,I am thinking I just might play Detroit tonight and watch my hometeam beat the Rockets tonight. Damn its a tough card today.



    I agree, very tough card, I think the Detroit game is the only one they slipped up a on
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    Quote Originally Posted by nawlins51:

     

    Yeah Lawstyle,I am thinking I just might play Detroit tonight and watch my hometeam beat the Rockets tonight. Damn its a tough card today.



    I agree, very tough card, I think the Detroit game is the only one they slipped up a on
     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2008 - 2:18 PM ET #22

    I agree Law as his record kinda sucks anyway.  With ya on this game and GL.
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    I agree Law as his record kinda sucks anyway.  With ya on this game and GL.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2008 - 2:19 PM ET #23

    lawstyle that was one of my leans on for today since you noticed the questions about the lines. looking at the rest i feel all these lines are off by 2 points more on some others your opinion? love the write up.. keep it up
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    lawstyle that was one of my leans on for today since you noticed the questions about the lines. looking at the rest i feel all these lines are off by 2 points more on some others your opinion? love the write up.. keep it up
     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2008 - 2:22 PM ET #24


    The line for tonight's game is ridiculous, it should be around -5 to -7.5 but this is way too low.  The books dont look at what happen last year because Cle is a different team now.  Det has won three straight and looked good beating Sas and Noh, but Cle has looked horrible but they still have LB he will be ready to play tonight.  I dont believe in trap games but I believe in my gut.  If it looks too easy and smells too easy, then its NEVER easy.  The public do back the Cavs cause of LB but if they do back Cle tonight, it will be for a small amount.....alot of ppl betting small amounts!  If you back Det tonight which everyone is loving and will lay the hammer down on will be in for a surprise.  Take a second look at this game is all i ask men

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    The line for tonight's game is ridiculous, it should be around -5 to -7.5 but this is way too low.  The books dont look at what happen last year because Cle is a different team now.  Det has won three straight and looked good beating Sas and Noh, but Cle has looked horrible but they still have LB he will be ready to play tonight.  I dont believe in trap games but I believe in my gut.  If it looks too easy and smells too easy, then its NEVER easy.  The public do back the Cavs cause of LB but if they do back Cle tonight, it will be for a small amount.....alot of ppl betting small amounts!  If you back Det tonight which everyone is loving and will lay the hammer down on will be in for a surprise.  Take a second look at this game is all i ask men

     
     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2008 - 2:25 PM ET #25

    Nawlins, no play on Denver is god idea. However, a play on the over here warrants a look IMO.
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    Nawlins, no play on Denver is god idea. However, a play on the over here warrants a look IMO.
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