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RAPTORS @ CAVS: GAME 1! I battled thinking about this game all day and I've come to a conclusion

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Record: 27-27

2017 Playoff Record: 8-2

The Pick:

Raptors +7 over Cavs

That is not me skewing the line. I have not put the bet in yet. I am waiting for 7 because I think it will get there.

Why? Because I think the public got the bejesus scared out of them when they saw the Raps blow a 25 point lead in 12 minutes (and against a 'lowly' Bucks team who is far better than they think). There is no way the Raps will be public favorites here. As tip-off approaches it should get there and if it doesn't I'll spend the -120.

I'll make this quick.

You know how I love fading streaks.

The Raptors have a terrible Game 1 record. In fact, it's so bad, they've never covered one with this core. Starting in 2014 vs. the Nets (the core being Lowry, Derozan and Jonas- Jonas downgraded to a bench player for Powell at times), the Raps are a whopping:

0-6 SU and ATS in Game 1's.

Go look it up.

I hate that. I that that this team continually digs itself a hole which explains why they've only won 2 series with this core.

And that may be my death knell. You have the Cavs coming off significant rest and they may be able to blow out the Raps in a game that the Raps core has demonstrated continually they can't win or cover.


The PROBLEM for the Cavs bettors is the points here. They are significant. 7 (when it gets there is a key number). The Cavs will need to blow the Raps out to cover this number. (Have 12-15 point lead and then the Raps will eventually eat into that an the Cavs close it at 10-12 pt win).

Can the Cavs do that?

Well there are reasons against that.

1. Bob Dole

He ran for President in 1996 vs. Slick Willy. All I heard was two words from prospective voters: He's old. Really? That's it? It's that simple? Yes. It's that simple.

It reminded me of OKC vs. the Spurs last year when OKC bombed them to eliminate them in 6 games and BegginerBoy boiled down an extensive cap before the game to the same two words, "They're (the Spurs are) old".

The Cavs are old and slow footed, particularly on the bench. Deron (on the outs in this league despite contributing something in the first round), Korver, Richard Jefferson! Lebron has played more minutes than anyone EVER at this point in his career at his age.

The Raptors bench of Patterson, Tucker, Jonas (or Powell depending on who sits), Joseph and Wright is a DREAM compared to this. Young, fresh, ready to battle to get inside this number.

That leads to my next point.

2. Lebron averaged 44 minutes in the first round.

The most among any player in the playoffs (and has to be among the most ever excluding OT games. And he delivered 33, 9, 9. BUT his minutes are a clear indication the Cavs have nothing to lean on beyond him. They are deficient in a bench they should have shorn up. They tried to but having Lebron play almost a full 48 is not a winning formula. He needs rest, particularly as a series wears on and as defensive assignments toughen, and they will here.

3. The Cavs Defense...is terrible.

The Cavs allowed 111 points per 100 possessions against the Pacers -- only three teams are worse so far in the playoffs. One of them is Indiana, which is dead last at 115.9. The Cavs' average was 12 points higher per game than the average NBA Finals team allows in first-round series, according to ESPN, and this is the worst defense a team with LeBron James on it has ever played in a playoff series it won.

During the regular season, Cleveland was 22nd in the league, allowing 108 points per 100 possessions. The Pacers shot 46.6 percent in the four-game series. Opponents shot .458 against Cleveland during the regular season.

But it gets worse.

The Raptors specialize in the pick and roll and the Cavs aren't too good at defending that right now, to say the least.

4. The pick and roll

The Cavs were carved up by the Pacers’ middling offense throughout their first-round series, particularly on the pick-and-roll. Cleveland gave up 1.08 points per possession in plays finished by the pick-and-roll ballhandler against Indy, which was tied for the worst mark by any team in the playoffs.

With all due respect to the likes of Paul George, Jeff Teague, and Lance Stephenson, DeMar DeRozan and Kyle Lowry are much better pick-and-roll players and the Raptors run those plays a lot more frequently. DeRozan and Lowry virtually carried the Raptors offense for long stretches during the regular season on a heavy dose of pick-and-rolls. Toronto was tied for 1st in the NBA during the regular season in points per possession on plays with the pick-and-roll ballhandler.



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Record: 27-27

2017 Playoff Record: 8-2

The Pick:

Raptors +7 over Cavs

That is not me skewing the line. I have not put the bet in yet. I am waiting for 7 because I think it will get there.

Why? Because I think the public got the bejesus scared out of them when they saw the Raps blow a 25 point lead in 12 minutes (and against a 'lowly' Bucks team who is far better than they think). There is no way the Raps will be public favorites here. As tip-off approaches it should get there and if it doesn't I'll spend the -120.

I'll make this quick.

You know how I love fading streaks.

The Raptors have a terrible Game 1 record. In fact, it's so bad, they've never covered one with this core. Starting in 2014 vs. the Nets (the core being Lowry, Derozan and Jonas- Jonas downgraded to a bench player for Powell at times), the Raps are a whopping:

0-6 SU and ATS in Game 1's.

Go look it up.

I hate that. I that that this team continually digs itself a hole which explains why they've only won 2 series with this core.

And that may be my death knell. You have the Cavs coming off significant rest and they may be able to blow out the Raps in a game that the Raps core has demonstrated continually they can't win or cover.


The PROBLEM for the Cavs bettors is the points here. They are significant. 7 (when it gets there is a key number). The Cavs will need to blow the Raps out to cover this number. (Have 12-15 point lead and then the Raps will eventually eat into that an the Cavs close it at 10-12 pt win).

Can the Cavs do that?

Well there are reasons against that.

1. Bob Dole

He ran for President in 1996 vs. Slick Willy. All I heard was two words from prospective voters: He's old. Really? That's it? It's that simple? Yes. It's that simple.

It reminded me of OKC vs. the Spurs last year when OKC bombed them to eliminate them in 6 games and BegginerBoy boiled down an extensive cap before the game to the same two words, "They're (the Spurs are) old".

The Cavs are old and slow footed, particularly on the bench. Deron (on the outs in this league despite contributing something in the first round), Korver, Richard Jefferson! Lebron has played more minutes than anyone EVER at this point in his career at his age.

The Raptors bench of Patterson, Tucker, Jonas (or Powell depending on who sits), Joseph and Wright is a DREAM compared to this. Young, fresh, ready to battle to get inside this number.

That leads to my next point.

2. Lebron averaged 44 minutes in the first round.

The most among any player in the playoffs (and has to be among the most ever excluding OT games. And he delivered 33, 9, 9. BUT his minutes are a clear indication the Cavs have nothing to lean on beyond him. They are deficient in a bench they should have shorn up. They tried to but having Lebron play almost a full 48 is not a winning formula. He needs rest, particularly as a series wears on and as defensive assignments toughen, and they will here.

3. The Cavs Defense...is terrible.

The Cavs allowed 111 points per 100 possessions against the Pacers -- only three teams are worse so far in the playoffs. One of them is Indiana, which is dead last at 115.9. The Cavs' average was 12 points higher per game than the average NBA Finals team allows in first-round series, according to ESPN, and this is the worst defense a team with LeBron James on it has ever played in a playoff series it won.

During the regular season, Cleveland was 22nd in the league, allowing 108 points per 100 possessions. The Pacers shot 46.6 percent in the four-game series. Opponents shot .458 against Cleveland during the regular season.

But it gets worse.

The Raptors specialize in the pick and roll and the Cavs aren't too good at defending that right now, to say the least.

4. The pick and roll

The Cavs were carved up by the Pacers’ middling offense throughout their first-round series, particularly on the pick-and-roll. Cleveland gave up 1.08 points per possession in plays finished by the pick-and-roll ballhandler against Indy, which was tied for the worst mark by any team in the playoffs.

With all due respect to the likes of Paul George, Jeff Teague, and Lance Stephenson, DeMar DeRozan and Kyle Lowry are much better pick-and-roll players and the Raptors run those plays a lot more frequently. DeRozan and Lowry virtually carried the Raptors offense for long stretches during the regular season on a heavy dose of pick-and-rolls. Toronto was tied for 1st in the NBA during the regular season in points per possession on plays with the pick-and-roll ballhandler.



 
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This is dead on arrival. I'll be back after the game if anything . 
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5. Margin of victory.

+7 points matters when you hear this.

The Cavs swept the Pacers (remember they were down 26 in one game and if they lose that game it completely changes the series), with an average margin of victory of 4 points, the lowest margin of victory in a sweep in 20 years.

If I gave you 7 today with the Pacers would you take it? I think you would given the way that series played out. The Raptors are significantly better than the Pacers and have the pieces to get inside this number.

Also, in the 3 games the Cavs beat the Raptors this year in, the TOTAL margin of victory was 11 points. The Raps won the last game when players sat.

Again, now they are nonchalantly laying 7 when everything is pointing to them failing to cover numbers and miniscule margins of victory? Ok, I'll take the points.

6. The Raptors shoring up their roster

This team when 4-2 with the Cavs last year. That was with an injured Jonas and STARTING LUIS SCOLA who average 3pts and 1 assist PER GAME. And they still pushed the Cavs to 6.

This team now has Serge Ibaka, who was one of the big 3 on OKC (and don't think Serge doesn't remember getting beaten by the Cavs while he was on OKC too).

This team has PJ Tucker, a good defender who can help guard the perimeter (where the Raps have problems guarding the 3 at times). PJ Tucker is not chopped liver. The Cavs pursued him and lost out to....the Raptors.

The 2017 Raptors are more mature, healthier, and have far better pieces than last year (and just made 3 D-League call-ups from their championship team too add to the depth).

And this doesn't even speak to Powell who is an enigma and a godsend in the first round averaging 15 and going a perfect 9-9 from three in the series.

7. Bulletin Board material from the Cavs?

Floating around the web right now, if the Raptors can see it and if the coaches can highlight it, is Lebron's quote after winning Game 5 last year.

A reporter asked him how he handled the adversity of being tied up 2-2 against the Raps now coming away with a win in Game 5.

He answered:

"I've been a part of adverse situations. And I don't believe that (being 2-2 with the Raps) was one of them."

Wow. Really? Well, I hope the coaching staff or players catch wind of this and it helps light a little fire under this as*.

8. Lebron's free throw shooting

Hidden in the glorious sweep was Lebron's trouble at the line:

22-38 for 58%.

A little eye-pooping and it didn't get attention.


When you are getting 7 points and the guy who gets to the line might have trouble sinking them, it matters. Let's hope it continues.

9. Is there something wrong with Kyrie?

He allegedly has nagging knee issues and shot one of the lowest shooting percentages of his playoff career vs. the Pacers.

But his shots from 3 were even worse:

Game 1: 1-9

Game 2: 4-10

Game 3: 1-6

Game 4: 1-7

7-32 (21.8%). Wow.

Further 19 of these threes were deemed to be 'wide open' by NBA analytics and amazingly he was 1-19 on those.

The point: 1 of the big three on the Cavs is not shooting the ball well at all even in a sweep.

If the Raptors have any chance to win they have to win Game 1. Or else they have to win 4 of the next 5 to not go 7. And if they go 7 with Lebron's 7th consecutive Finals appearance on the line at home, they will lose. So this game is crucial far beyond the fact it is a playoff game of magnitude. It is the Raps only chance at shocking the world and stealing this series. AND we get 7. Give us the intensity to win and they might, or at least they will cover.

I want to get some shut-eye so I'm not going to proof-read this. I'll take the 7 when it gets there and try to right the wrong of the very poor Clippers play today for all of us!

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5. Margin of victory.

+7 points matters when you hear this.

The Cavs swept the Pacers (remember they were down 26 in one game and if they lose that game it completely changes the series), with an average margin of victory of 4 points, the lowest margin of victory in a sweep in 20 years.

If I gave you 7 today with the Pacers would you take it? I think you would given the way that series played out. The Raptors are significantly better than the Pacers and have the pieces to get inside this number.

Also, in the 3 games the Cavs beat the Raptors this year in, the TOTAL margin of victory was 11 points. The Raps won the last game when players sat.

Again, now they are nonchalantly laying 7 when everything is pointing to them failing to cover numbers and miniscule margins of victory? Ok, I'll take the points.

6. The Raptors shoring up their roster

This team when 4-2 with the Cavs last year. That was with an injured Jonas and STARTING LUIS SCOLA who average 3pts and 1 assist PER GAME. And they still pushed the Cavs to 6.

This team now has Serge Ibaka, who was one of the big 3 on OKC (and don't think Serge doesn't remember getting beaten by the Cavs while he was on OKC too).

This team has PJ Tucker, a good defender who can help guard the perimeter (where the Raps have problems guarding the 3 at times). PJ Tucker is not chopped liver. The Cavs pursued him and lost out to....the Raptors.

The 2017 Raptors are more mature, healthier, and have far better pieces than last year (and just made 3 D-League call-ups from their championship team too add to the depth).

And this doesn't even speak to Powell who is an enigma and a godsend in the first round averaging 15 and going a perfect 9-9 from three in the series.

7. Bulletin Board material from the Cavs?

Floating around the web right now, if the Raptors can see it and if the coaches can highlight it, is Lebron's quote after winning Game 5 last year.

A reporter asked him how he handled the adversity of being tied up 2-2 against the Raps now coming away with a win in Game 5.

He answered:

"I've been a part of adverse situations. And I don't believe that (being 2-2 with the Raps) was one of them."

Wow. Really? Well, I hope the coaching staff or players catch wind of this and it helps light a little fire under this as*.

8. Lebron's free throw shooting

Hidden in the glorious sweep was Lebron's trouble at the line:

22-38 for 58%.

A little eye-pooping and it didn't get attention.


When you are getting 7 points and the guy who gets to the line might have trouble sinking them, it matters. Let's hope it continues.

9. Is there something wrong with Kyrie?

He allegedly has nagging knee issues and shot one of the lowest shooting percentages of his playoff career vs. the Pacers.

But his shots from 3 were even worse:

Game 1: 1-9

Game 2: 4-10

Game 3: 1-6

Game 4: 1-7

7-32 (21.8%). Wow.

Further 19 of these threes were deemed to be 'wide open' by NBA analytics and amazingly he was 1-19 on those.

The point: 1 of the big three on the Cavs is not shooting the ball well at all even in a sweep.

If the Raptors have any chance to win they have to win Game 1. Or else they have to win 4 of the next 5 to not go 7. And if they go 7 with Lebron's 7th consecutive Finals appearance on the line at home, they will lose. So this game is crucial far beyond the fact it is a playoff game of magnitude. It is the Raps only chance at shocking the world and stealing this series. AND we get 7. Give us the intensity to win and they might, or at least they will cover.

I want to get some shut-eye so I'm not going to proof-read this. I'll take the 7 when it gets there and try to right the wrong of the very poor Clippers play today for all of us!

 
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Quote Originally Posted by sideJOBplay:

This is dead on arrival. I'll be back after the game if anything . 

You 've been in every one of my threads the past 10 plays and went 2-8 saying the same exact thing. Who do you think people will listen to here?

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This is dead on arrival. I'll be back after the game if anything . 

You 've been in every one of my threads the past 10 plays and went 2-8 saying the same exact thing. Who do you think people will listen to here?

 
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My heads still spinning for not following you on the Clips Friday night and then following you today on them.

The Cavs could lose or win by 20. This stuff really has become a coin toss to me. GL

Might take SA on the money line, as I'm one bet away from being even, then take a break. They lose and I'll be stinging but -235 isn't a fortune.
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My heads still spinning for not following you on the Clips Friday night and then following you today on them.

The Cavs could lose or win by 20. This stuff really has become a coin toss to me. GL

Might take SA on the money line, as I'm one bet away from being even, then take a break. They lose and I'll be stinging but -235 isn't a fortune.
 
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[Quote: Originally Posted by scalabrine]

You 've been in every one of my threads the past 10 plays and went 2-8 saying the same exact thing. Who do you think people will listen to here?crazy man I been winning almost every game and day since the playoff started . And you got smash few weeks before the playoff and that when I was winning as well . Check my post ain't no need . See you after the game tomorrow. I hit way more then you my friend.


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You 've been in every one of my threads the past 10 plays and went 2-8 saying the same exact thing. Who do you think people will listen to here?crazy man I been winning almost every game and day since the playoff started . And you got smash few weeks before the playoff and that when I was winning as well . Check my post ain't no need . See you after the game tomorrow. I hit way more then you my friend.


 
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Quote Originally Posted by jrgumpert:

My heads still spinning for not following you on the Clips Friday night and then following you today on them.

The Cavs could lose or win by 20. This stuff really has become a coin toss to me. GL

Might take SA on the money line, as I'm one bet away from being even, then take a break. They lose and I'll be stinging but -235 isn't a fortune.

It's up to you when you follow JR. Follow me over the last 10 you are 80%. Follow me over the last 54 you are 50%.

But the post above is trying to offer clarity to make it anything BUT a coin toss.

Before you read the post (if you read it) you can say "this is a coin toss" because you are lacking information.

After reading it, is should no longer be a coin toss, now informed, if you agree or even if you disagree.
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My heads still spinning for not following you on the Clips Friday night and then following you today on them.

The Cavs could lose or win by 20. This stuff really has become a coin toss to me. GL

Might take SA on the money line, as I'm one bet away from being even, then take a break. They lose and I'll be stinging but -235 isn't a fortune.

It's up to you when you follow JR. Follow me over the last 10 you are 80%. Follow me over the last 54 you are 50%.

But the post above is trying to offer clarity to make it anything BUT a coin toss.

Before you read the post (if you read it) you can say "this is a coin toss" because you are lacking information.

After reading it, is should no longer be a coin toss, now informed, if you agree or even if you disagree.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by sideJOBplay:

Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

You 've been in every one of my threads the past 10 plays and went 2-8 saying the same exact thing. Who do you think people will listen to here?crazy man I been winning almost every game and day since the playoff started . And you got smash few weeks before the playoff and that when I was winning as well . Check my post ain't no need . See you after the game tomorrow. I hit way more then you my friend.



Smashed? Ever since going 3-10 to start the year I'm 24-17 which is almost 60% kid. Is that what you meant by "before the playoffs" because if you go back further the last two years it gets better not worse.

You hit way more than me. But you post none of it. Ok. We all believe you.
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Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

You 've been in every one of my threads the past 10 plays and went 2-8 saying the same exact thing. Who do you think people will listen to here?crazy man I been winning almost every game and day since the playoff started . And you got smash few weeks before the playoff and that when I was winning as well . Check my post ain't no need . See you after the game tomorrow. I hit way more then you my friend.



Smashed? Ever since going 3-10 to start the year I'm 24-17 which is almost 60% kid. Is that what you meant by "before the playoffs" because if you go back further the last two years it gets better not worse.

You hit way more than me. But you post none of it. Ok. We all believe you.
 
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Great job as usual with the write up.  I'm leaning Rockets +7 as well here just looking at the season matchups between the two teams; what's your take on that one?
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Great job as usual with the write up.  I'm leaning Rockets +7 as well here just looking at the season matchups between the two teams; what's your take on that one?
 
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thanks for your posts. been reading you for years. what do you think about the over?
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thanks for your posts. been reading you for years. what do you think about the over?
 
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BOL Scal can't believe you joined in 2006 I was still in elementary school on the same side
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Somebody is going to steal game one. It's either the craptors or the Rockets (recall how painful that last loss was in SA, not to mention two other close losses). The Cavs losing game one would add all kinds of intrigue to these playoffs. The sad part is, they will squeak by the Raptors and then sweep the Celtics (that's how this league does it). Good luck!
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Somebody is going to steal game one. It's either the craptors or the Rockets (recall how painful that last loss was in SA, not to mention two other close losses). The Cavs losing game one would add all kinds of intrigue to these playoffs. The sad part is, they will squeak by the Raptors and then sweep the Celtics (that's how this league does it). Good luck!
 
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Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

Somebody is going to steal game one. It's either the craptors or the Rockets (recall how painful that last loss was in SA, not to mention two other close losses). The Cavs losing game one would add all kinds of intrigue to these playoffs. The sad part is, they will squeak by the Raptors and then sweep the Celtics (that's how this league does it). Good luck!

assuming it is the celtics and not the wizards 
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Somebody is going to steal game one. It's either the craptors or the Rockets (recall how painful that last loss was in SA, not to mention two other close losses). The Cavs losing game one would add all kinds of intrigue to these playoffs. The sad part is, they will squeak by the Raptors and then sweep the Celtics (that's how this league does it). Good luck!

assuming it is the celtics and not the wizards 
 
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With all that being said why is the spread 7?
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im not going to lie i think this is be against what most people think...which means it might be right lol...because that seems to be the way this works.
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im not going to lie i think this is be against what most people think...which means it might be right lol...because that seems to be the way this works.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by JeffFromFuture:

im not going to lie i think this is be against what most people think...which means it might be right lol...because that seems to be the way this works.

I absolutely agree with you 
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im not going to lie i think this is be against what most people think...which means it might be right lol...because that seems to be the way this works.

I absolutely agree with you 
 
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Good luck, Scal. Interesting to read, as always 
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With you on this scal  let's get this sh!t
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This is the real east finals the raptors are a poor mans OKC from years past and are clearly the cavs biggest competition in the east they will give the champs a decent run for their money as long as Lowry is healthy but will eventually lose the series I could see a tight game even a upset in game 1 after 4 of the last 5 games have been blow outs but at the end of the day gumperts actually right this 6 point spread is a crap shoot anything can and will happen should the raptors cover Scal called heads it's as simple as that the best thing to do with a tough game like this is watch it get a good feel wait as long as it takes and play live even if that means risking more than your going to win you have total control live is really a dream 
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This is the real east finals the raptors are a poor mans OKC from years past and are clearly the cavs biggest competition in the east they will give the champs a decent run for their money as long as Lowry is healthy but will eventually lose the series I could see a tight game even a upset in game 1 after 4 of the last 5 games have been blow outs but at the end of the day gumperts actually right this 6 point spread is a crap shoot anything can and will happen should the raptors cover Scal called heads it's as simple as that the best thing to do with a tough game like this is watch it get a good feel wait as long as it takes and play live even if that means risking more than your going to win you have total control live is really a dream 
 
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scal,

Raptors catch the Cavs 'flat', keep it close throughout, blow a fourth quarter lead....Cavs WIN by 5pts or less...Raptors cover the spread on game #1

 CLE WINS the series 4-1

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Raptors catch the Cavs 'flat', keep it close throughout, blow a fourth quarter lead....Cavs WIN by 5pts or less...Raptors cover the spread on game #1

 CLE WINS the series 4-1

 
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Posted: May. 1, 2017 - 5:49 AM ET #22

Quote Originally Posted by GTD:

This is the real east finals the raptors are a poor mans OKC from years past and are clearly the cavs biggest competition in the east they will give the champs a decent run for their money as long as Lowry is healthy but will eventually lose the series I could see a tight game even a upset in game 1 after 4 of the last 5 games have been blow outs but at the end of the day gumperts actually right this 6 point spread is a crap shoot anything can and will happen should the raptors cover Scal called heads it's as simple as that the best thing to do with a tough game like this is watch it get a good feel wait as long as it takes and play live even if that means risking more than your going to win you have total control live is really a dream 
I agree, 'live' betting bales you out of a LOSS (although you pay the dividends)  good read GTD
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This is the real east finals the raptors are a poor mans OKC from years past and are clearly the cavs biggest competition in the east they will give the champs a decent run for their money as long as Lowry is healthy but will eventually lose the series I could see a tight game even a upset in game 1 after 4 of the last 5 games have been blow outs but at the end of the day gumperts actually right this 6 point spread is a crap shoot anything can and will happen should the raptors cover Scal called heads it's as simple as that the best thing to do with a tough game like this is watch it get a good feel wait as long as it takes and play live even if that means risking more than your going to win you have total control live is really a dream 
I agree, 'live' betting bales you out of a LOSS (although you pay the dividends)  good read GTD
 
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Posted: May. 1, 2017 - 5:54 AM ET #23

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The spread is 7 because of public perception, books know the casual bettors load up on Cavs in parlays n teasers. They could care less that Lebron n Company were down 20+ to Indiana...
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The spread is 7 because of public perception, books know the casual bettors load up on Cavs in parlays n teasers. They could care less that Lebron n Company were down 20+ to Indiana...
 
 
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Posted: May. 1, 2017 - 6:17 AM ET #25

They were actually down 25 don't forget the part where they came back and won then swept . Public sharp blah blah blah The Cavs Own The Craptors 
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They were actually down 25 don't forget the part where they came back and won then swept . Public sharp blah blah blah The Cavs Own The Craptors 
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