It’s not difficult to see why she was boxed before. She needs to learn how to not become so frustrated that you resort to personal attacks just because you do not know how to debate like an adult.
exactly!
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Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:
It’s not difficult to see why she was boxed before. She needs to learn how to not become so frustrated that you resort to personal attacks just because you do not know how to debate like an adult.
Still 60 million less than the Yankees? How many more all-stars can you buy for 60 million?
OK. And the Cubs have 50 million more than the Cards. It's the same thing. How many more all-stars can you buy with 50 million? The difference is that Lee, Ramirez and Soriano haven't lived up to their salaries. That's the difference.
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Quote Originally Posted by Baldheadslick:
Still 60 million less than the Yankees? How many more all-stars can you buy for 60 million?
OK. And the Cubs have 50 million more than the Cards. It's the same thing. How many more all-stars can you buy with 50 million? The difference is that Lee, Ramirez and Soriano haven't lived up to their salaries. That's the difference.
You're lucky you have a Gina Carano avatar. I'll take it easier on you.
Obviously it's not an "accomplishment". As a Yankee fan...I expect to win every year because our team is filled with All-Stars. However...I know that it's not a realistic goal. That's not the arguement here. The arguement is that you're saying that they spend more money than the Rays, so they "should" have a better record. But you know that's far from the truth. They have a better record than any other team in baseball with lower payrolls. Like I said. What's the difference between them and the Red Sox? Cubs? Phillies? Mets? They have the better record with a huge payroll difference.
So let me get this straight sparky, you don’t think a team that has a payroll almost 3 times more (2.87) than another team should have a better record?
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Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:
You're lucky you have a Gina Carano avatar. I'll take it easier on you.
Obviously it's not an "accomplishment". As a Yankee fan...I expect to win every year because our team is filled with All-Stars. However...I know that it's not a realistic goal. That's not the arguement here. The arguement is that you're saying that they spend more money than the Rays, so they "should" have a better record. But you know that's far from the truth. They have a better record than any other team in baseball with lower payrolls. Like I said. What's the difference between them and the Red Sox? Cubs? Phillies? Mets? They have the better record with a huge payroll difference.
So let me get this straight sparky, you don’t think a team that has a payroll almost 3 times more (2.87) than another team should have a better record?
So let me get this straight sparky, you don’t think a team that has a payroll almost 3 times more (2.87) than another team should have a better record?
No not at all. Again why dont the cubs automatically have the 3rd best record in mlb? Shit they dont even have a winning record
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Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:
So let me get this straight sparky, you don’t think a team that has a payroll almost 3 times more (2.87) than another team should have a better record?
No not at all. Again why dont the cubs automatically have the 3rd best record in mlb? Shit they dont even have a winning record
OK. And the Cubs have 50 million more than the Cards. It's the same thing. How many more all-stars can you buy with 50 million? The difference is that Lee, Ramirez and Soriano haven't lived up to their salaries. That's the difference.
That's correct! What I am saying is when you have the most money to spend it gives you the best odds to win!!! The Yankees made good investments no doubt!
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Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:
OK. And the Cubs have 50 million more than the Cards. It's the same thing. How many more all-stars can you buy with 50 million? The difference is that Lee, Ramirez and Soriano haven't lived up to their salaries. That's the difference.
That's correct! What I am saying is when you have the most money to spend it gives you the best odds to win!!! The Yankees made good investments no doubt!
Bartlett Garza Upton James Shield (had arbitration and team control bought out and thus has a very inexpensive contract) Shoppach Navarro Balfour David Price Howell Aybar Cormier Niemann Longoria (had arbitration years bought out, paid below market value) Choate Zobrist Sonnastine Joyce Sean Rodriguez Wade Davis Brignac Ekstrom Anderson Hellickson
Lets put ti this way... Every single player on the roster minus 4 players. Thats why their payroll is so low. But as a Yankee fan you continually ignore such remedial facts when you talk about team payroll and salaries.
I think I'm in 3 conversations here. I think I flip floped your initial question with the names I listed. What's the point you're trying to make? I think we're on the same page here actually. I'm saying that if the Rays' players got what they "should" be making, they'd have a high payroll too if they paid them to keep them.
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Quote Originally Posted by jpero:
Bartlett Garza Upton James Shield (had arbitration and team control bought out and thus has a very inexpensive contract) Shoppach Navarro Balfour David Price Howell Aybar Cormier Niemann Longoria (had arbitration years bought out, paid below market value) Choate Zobrist Sonnastine Joyce Sean Rodriguez Wade Davis Brignac Ekstrom Anderson Hellickson
Lets put ti this way... Every single player on the roster minus 4 players. Thats why their payroll is so low. But as a Yankee fan you continually ignore such remedial facts when you talk about team payroll and salaries.
I think I'm in 3 conversations here. I think I flip floped your initial question with the names I listed. What's the point you're trying to make? I think we're on the same page here actually. I'm saying that if the Rays' players got what they "should" be making, they'd have a high payroll too if they paid them to keep them.
You may get your payroll high in part because you overpay guys which maybe isnt smart but that doesnt automatically make those guys real good or the best because they make more money. Is aj burnett good? Yeah hes decent but worth 95 million or whatever he gets? No, there are plenty of pitchers in mlb better than him.
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You may get your payroll high in part because you overpay guys which maybe isnt smart but that doesnt automatically make those guys real good or the best because they make more money. Is aj burnett good? Yeah hes decent but worth 95 million or whatever he gets? No, there are plenty of pitchers in mlb better than him.
No not at all. Again why dont the cubs automatically have the 3rd best record in mlb? Shit they dont even have a winning record
I’m not saying team records should be directly related to a team’s payroll. I’m saying when you have a payroll 3 times more than another team, you should have a better record.
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Quote Originally Posted by Osirus13:
No not at all. Again why dont the cubs automatically have the 3rd best record in mlb? Shit they dont even have a winning record
I’m not saying team records should be directly related to a team’s payroll. I’m saying when you have a payroll 3 times more than another team, you should have a better record.
No not at all. Again why dont the cubs automatically have the 3rd best record in mlb? Shit they dont even have a winning record
Maybe because their management made bad signings and handed out awful contracts.
See thats the difference Yankee fans dont realize. When teams, not named the Yankees, try to compete and play like the Yankees (by handing out huge contracts) they cannot afford or weather the storm if one of those contracts fails.
The Yankees can take a $200 million dollar loss on contracts and still operate the same way without scaling back spending. The other teams cannot make up for a bad investment by going out and spending an absurd amount on another player.
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Quote Originally Posted by Osirus13:
No not at all. Again why dont the cubs automatically have the 3rd best record in mlb? Shit they dont even have a winning record
Maybe because their management made bad signings and handed out awful contracts.
See thats the difference Yankee fans dont realize. When teams, not named the Yankees, try to compete and play like the Yankees (by handing out huge contracts) they cannot afford or weather the storm if one of those contracts fails.
The Yankees can take a $200 million dollar loss on contracts and still operate the same way without scaling back spending. The other teams cannot make up for a bad investment by going out and spending an absurd amount on another player.
So let me get this straight sparky, you don’t think a team that has a payroll almost 3 times more (2.87) than another team should have a better record?
They should but it doesn't happen every year but more often than not yes.
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Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:
So let me get this straight sparky, you don’t think a team that has a payroll almost 3 times more (2.87) than another team should have a better record?
They should but it doesn't happen every year but more often than not yes.
Yes there is factual data. But everytime i post it you ignore it and call it frivolous
Win the World Series. Not make the playoffs. What was the Rays' payroll in 2008? Marlins' payroll in 03? How many times over the past decade has a Wild Card team represented their league in the World Series?
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Quote Originally Posted by jpero:
Yes there is factual data. But everytime i post it you ignore it and call it frivolous
Win the World Series. Not make the playoffs. What was the Rays' payroll in 2008? Marlins' payroll in 03? How many times over the past decade has a Wild Card team represented their league in the World Series?
You see at least Sparky is objective unlike the URISS tool that doesn't have a clue.
The fact that you are even in this conversation being a METS fan, is beyond being a hypocrite... At least Pero knows what he is talking about....
Like I said earlier Jeter, cano, Posada, Pettitte, Rivera... WHAT ARE THEIR salaries???? Born with the Yankees and earned every penny!!!
NY METS contracts given to players such as Oliver Perez is a joke...
You are accompanied by people who hate the Yankees so before you actually think you are being objective and "I'm a tool who doesn't know anything' think again... a Jealous hyprocite is not someone you shuld want to be
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Quote Originally Posted by Baldheadslick:
You see at least Sparky is objective unlike the URISS tool that doesn't have a clue.
The fact that you are even in this conversation being a METS fan, is beyond being a hypocrite... At least Pero knows what he is talking about....
Like I said earlier Jeter, cano, Posada, Pettitte, Rivera... WHAT ARE THEIR salaries???? Born with the Yankees and earned every penny!!!
NY METS contracts given to players such as Oliver Perez is a joke...
You are accompanied by people who hate the Yankees so before you actually think you are being objective and "I'm a tool who doesn't know anything' think again... a Jealous hyprocite is not someone you shuld want to be
I think I'm in 3 conversations here. I think I flip floped your initial question with the names I listed. What's the point you're trying to make? I think we're on the same page here actually. I'm saying that if the Rays' players got what they "should" be making, they'd have a high payroll too if they paid them to keep them.
Well if you knew that then you shouldnt make asinine comments about payroll and say "well the Rays only have this big of payroll so other teams should be jsut as good."
THe only reason their payroll is low is becuase no one has reached arbitration or FA.
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Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:
I think I'm in 3 conversations here. I think I flip floped your initial question with the names I listed. What's the point you're trying to make? I think we're on the same page here actually. I'm saying that if the Rays' players got what they "should" be making, they'd have a high payroll too if they paid them to keep them.
Well if you knew that then you shouldnt make asinine comments about payroll and say "well the Rays only have this big of payroll so other teams should be jsut as good."
THe only reason their payroll is low is becuase no one has reached arbitration or FA.
Maybe because their management made bad signings and handed out awful contracts.
See thats the difference Yankee fans dont realize. When teams, not named the Yankees, try to compete and play like the Yankees (by handing out huge contracts) they cannot afford or weather the storm if one of those contracts fails.
The Yankees can take a $200 million dollar loss on contracts and still operate the same way without scaling back spending. The other teams cannot make up for a bad investment by going out and spending an absurd amount on another player.
That's the truth! spit the knowledge Jpero that Uriss can't fully understand!
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Quote Originally Posted by jpero:
Maybe because their management made bad signings and handed out awful contracts.
See thats the difference Yankee fans dont realize. When teams, not named the Yankees, try to compete and play like the Yankees (by handing out huge contracts) they cannot afford or weather the storm if one of those contracts fails.
The Yankees can take a $200 million dollar loss on contracts and still operate the same way without scaling back spending. The other teams cannot make up for a bad investment by going out and spending an absurd amount on another player.
That's the truth! spit the knowledge Jpero that Uriss can't fully understand!
Win the World Series. Not make the playoffs. What was the Rays' payroll in 2008? Marlins' payroll in 03? How many times over the past decade has a Wild Card team represented their league in the World Series?
IF YOU MAKE THE PLAYOFFS ALL IT TAKES IS HAVING THE BEST CLOSER, THE BEST SP, AND A COUPLE HR HITTERS.
Anyone can win a series in the playoffs. Making it there is what every team is trying to do. Of course the best team doesnt always win in baseball but you cannot make the statement "well the Yankees done always win it" because the Yankees always get into the playoffs.
Once your in the playoffs then all it takes is 2 series wins.
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Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:
Win the World Series. Not make the playoffs. What was the Rays' payroll in 2008? Marlins' payroll in 03? How many times over the past decade has a Wild Card team represented their league in the World Series?
IF YOU MAKE THE PLAYOFFS ALL IT TAKES IS HAVING THE BEST CLOSER, THE BEST SP, AND A COUPLE HR HITTERS.
Anyone can win a series in the playoffs. Making it there is what every team is trying to do. Of course the best team doesnt always win in baseball but you cannot make the statement "well the Yankees done always win it" because the Yankees always get into the playoffs.
Once your in the playoffs then all it takes is 2 series wins.
Well if you knew that then you shouldnt make asinine comments about payroll and say "well the Rays only have this big of payroll so other teams should be jsut as good."
THe only reason their payroll is low is becuase no one has reached arbitration or FA.
which complete defeats the OP's entire point of this thread..........debate over
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Quote Originally Posted by jpero:
Well if you knew that then you shouldnt make asinine comments about payroll and say "well the Rays only have this big of payroll so other teams should be jsut as good."
THe only reason their payroll is low is becuase no one has reached arbitration or FA.
which complete defeats the OP's entire point of this thread..........debate over
That's the truth! spit the knowledge Jpero that Uriss can't fully understand!
Why do you sweat me so much? I think you secretly love me! And P.S. bald head these conversations have been going on in this forum for years, you just joined covers and think you are on top of the World... its quite funny
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Quote Originally Posted by Baldheadslick:
That's the truth! spit the knowledge Jpero that Uriss can't fully understand!
Why do you sweat me so much? I think you secretly love me! And P.S. bald head these conversations have been going on in this forum for years, you just joined covers and think you are on top of the World... its quite funny
Maybe because their management made bad signings and handed out awful contracts.
See thats the difference Yankee fans dont realize. When teams, not named the Yankees, try to compete and play like the Yankees (by handing out huge contracts) they cannot afford or weather the storm if one of those contracts fails.
The Yankees can take a $200 million dollar loss on contracts and still operate the same way without scaling back spending. The other teams cannot make up for a bad investment by going out and spending an absurd amount on another player.
Maybe they cant absorb those mistakes. After all they didnt win a title for 9years right? Missed the playoffs in 2008. They made mistakes and they did not aborb them. They arent 11 time world champs
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Quote Originally Posted by jpero:
Maybe because their management made bad signings and handed out awful contracts.
See thats the difference Yankee fans dont realize. When teams, not named the Yankees, try to compete and play like the Yankees (by handing out huge contracts) they cannot afford or weather the storm if one of those contracts fails.
The Yankees can take a $200 million dollar loss on contracts and still operate the same way without scaling back spending. The other teams cannot make up for a bad investment by going out and spending an absurd amount on another player.
Maybe they cant absorb those mistakes. After all they didnt win a title for 9years right? Missed the playoffs in 2008. They made mistakes and they did not aborb them. They arent 11 time world champs
Why do you sweat me so much? I think you secretly love me! And P.S. bald head these conversations have been going on in this forum for years, you just joined covers and think you are on top of the World... its quite funny
Are you drinking Vodka again? Check the threads, you respond to me first. Then i just respond back.
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Quote Originally Posted by URISS2302:
Why do you sweat me so much? I think you secretly love me! And P.S. bald head these conversations have been going on in this forum for years, you just joined covers and think you are on top of the World... its quite funny
Are you drinking Vodka again? Check the threads, you respond to me first. Then i just respond back.
All right, let me put my 2 pennies into the conversation.
You guys are right it is not all about the spending. Like you said, look at all those other teams with big payrolls and bad records.
But you can't brag about beating teams with lesser payrolls.That would be lie me bragging about the OS beating Pittsburgh, San Diego, Oakland and about 10 other teams ( if they did )
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All right, let me put my 2 pennies into the conversation.
You guys are right it is not all about the spending. Like you said, look at all those other teams with big payrolls and bad records.
But you can't brag about beating teams with lesser payrolls.That would be lie me bragging about the OS beating Pittsburgh, San Diego, Oakland and about 10 other teams ( if they did )
So let me get this straight sparky, you don’t think a team that has a payroll almost 3 times more (2.87) than another team should have a better record?
Of course not. Put Niemann, Shields, Garza, Crawford, Bartlett, Price, Longoria and Zobrist on the open market, let them get what they get, than add it up. The Rays would have a payroll over $100 million EASILY. Hey...congrats to them. They did a great job with little trades and drafting. They hit the jackpot. You put CC up against Price...and you'll get 1 hell of a pitcher's duel with a HUGE differential in salaries. Why? Simply because CC has been around longer.
I say this all the time. The Yankees can and do spend more money than any other team because they can. But that doesn't mean they're better. And if you look at a team like the Mariners or Cubs...who have a huge payrolls...but they just put the money in the wrong places. Just like the Yankees have done in the past with Pavano, Brown, Randy Johnson, Igawa etc. And it just so happened that last season...the Yankees got the right guys. But let's not forget their trades. Betemit for Swisher? That was an incredible trade. How about trading nobody special for Chad Gaudin who had 6-8 starts down the stretch and the Yankees won them all? What about the catcher that nobody heard of for Jerry Hairston Jr? He was a big player last season. And of course getting Eric Hinske. I'm just saying...the little trades they made also helped out. It's not just throwing money at players on the market.
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Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:
So let me get this straight sparky, you don’t think a team that has a payroll almost 3 times more (2.87) than another team should have a better record?
Of course not. Put Niemann, Shields, Garza, Crawford, Bartlett, Price, Longoria and Zobrist on the open market, let them get what they get, than add it up. The Rays would have a payroll over $100 million EASILY. Hey...congrats to them. They did a great job with little trades and drafting. They hit the jackpot. You put CC up against Price...and you'll get 1 hell of a pitcher's duel with a HUGE differential in salaries. Why? Simply because CC has been around longer.
I say this all the time. The Yankees can and do spend more money than any other team because they can. But that doesn't mean they're better. And if you look at a team like the Mariners or Cubs...who have a huge payrolls...but they just put the money in the wrong places. Just like the Yankees have done in the past with Pavano, Brown, Randy Johnson, Igawa etc. And it just so happened that last season...the Yankees got the right guys. But let's not forget their trades. Betemit for Swisher? That was an incredible trade. How about trading nobody special for Chad Gaudin who had 6-8 starts down the stretch and the Yankees won them all? What about the catcher that nobody heard of for Jerry Hairston Jr? He was a big player last season. And of course getting Eric Hinske. I'm just saying...the little trades they made also helped out. It's not just throwing money at players on the market.
URISS tool that doesn't have a clue. 
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