Here is my short list of wagers I am considering. Other than the teams you already talked about, any input?
Philly Over - 250 Yeah they should run through the NL East ---87-97 Wins
San Diego Over - 200... Might sneak up on some teams this season...67-76 Wins ???
Brewers Over - 300 Yeah agree... Like Randy Wolf coming over----83-87 Wins ???
Angels Over - 150 just not sure ... Really like the M's in the West and the Rangers might be equal to the LAA in 2010...79-85 Wins >??? ]
Rockies Over - 500 Should be in the thick of it in the NL....85-95 Wins
DBacks Under - 150 Webb is already feeling "stagnant" should be a Major disapointment this season 75-80 Wins
Orioles Under - 150 especially at the Plus Odds of +120 or more ... the O's went 24-48 vs the AL East LY... good luck being any better in 2010....64-70 Wins
Reds Under -200 .73-80 Wins
Indians Under - 500 The SP's are a joke ....Much better teams in the central 63-70 Wins
Astros Under - 300 just like the Tribe IMO
I didn't think I would take the Pads over, but I love the Pads bullpen. They finsihed strong last year. The lineup looks a little better and the starting pitching should be better.
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Quote Originally Posted by thorpe:
DU,
Here is my short list of wagers I am considering. Other than the teams you already talked about, any input?
Philly Over - 250 Yeah they should run through the NL East ---87-97 Wins
San Diego Over - 200... Might sneak up on some teams this season...67-76 Wins ???
Brewers Over - 300 Yeah agree... Like Randy Wolf coming over----83-87 Wins ???
Angels Over - 150 just not sure ... Really like the M's in the West and the Rangers might be equal to the LAA in 2010...79-85 Wins >??? ]
Rockies Over - 500 Should be in the thick of it in the NL....85-95 Wins
DBacks Under - 150 Webb is already feeling "stagnant" should be a Major disapointment this season 75-80 Wins
Orioles Under - 150 especially at the Plus Odds of +120 or more ... the O's went 24-48 vs the AL East LY... good luck being any better in 2010....64-70 Wins
Reds Under -200 .73-80 Wins
Indians Under - 500 The SP's are a joke ....Much better teams in the central 63-70 Wins
Astros Under - 300 just like the Tribe IMO
I didn't think I would take the Pads over, but I love the Pads bullpen. They finsihed strong last year. The lineup looks a little better and the starting pitching should be better.
Hate the Rockies Play, I like them under the win total. They came out of no where last year after a horrible start and finished horrible, they just are not a good team.
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Hate the Rockies Play, I like them under the win total. They came out of no where last year after a horrible start and finished horrible, they just are not a good team.
Hate the Rockies Play, I like them under the win total. They came out of no where last year after a horrible start and finished horrible, they just are not a good team.
I have to disagree.... They did not come out of Nowhere last since they were in the NL Championship the year before(vs your Phillies) .......
Really Like the Pitching
But in anycase thanks for the Input Brother
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Quote Originally Posted by Philly215:
Hate the Rockies Play, I like them under the win total. They came out of no where last year after a horrible start and finished horrible, they just are not a good team.
I have to disagree.... They did not come out of Nowhere last since they were in the NL Championship the year before(vs your Phillies) .......
The year before the rockies needed to go on a crazy run at the end of the season to barely squeak into the wild card spot. Last year they started horrible and did make a run from out of no where.
GL on your plays
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The year before the rockies needed to go on a crazy run at the end of the season to barely squeak into the wild card spot. Last year they started horrible and did make a run from out of no where.
They are much much much improved. Just look at their bullpen and starting pitching this year compared to last year. Their starting rotation last year had Adam Eaton for the first quarter of the season.
Now they have Bergesen, Matusz, and Tillman who will be in their second full season. Matusz, IMO, will win ROY and could be a 15+ winner. Bergesen should regress from last year after a tremendous rookie campaign, which he would have been in the ROY mix if not getting injured after taking a liner off the shin, but he was a ground ball machine and if he can continue he should be a very servicible #4 type pitcher. Tillman will have his ups and downs but he has the talent to win 10 games. Guthrie had his worse season last year and many believe it can be attributed to him playing in the World Baseball Classic. If he reverts back to his previous 2 years or even slightly improves from last year while not giving up the long ball he should be successful and win 12+ games. Then there is Millwood. He is an inning eater that this team has needed for quite some time. He will pitch in the mid 4 ERA but he will throw close to 200 inning and mentor the young pitchers.
This is the best starting staff the Orioles have had in atlaest 5 years. Then their bullpen will be their strength. Probaly their best strength of the team. Last year the bullpen was awful and it has been awful for quite some time. Koji will be a bullpen person and hitters had around a .200 average the first time facing him last year. He will no longer be int eh starting rotation and should be a very dependable arm out of the bullpen. Kam is a power arm who has closer stuff. He has a power sinker and fastball and can be very difficult and imposing for opposing batters as he stand 6'9 and does a great job of using his height and leverage on the ball. Jim Johnson who excelled in he set up role before being moved to closer will be back in his role and he has very good stuff when he is on. He attacks batters and has great movement on his fastball. The signing of Mike Gonzalez is also huge as it give the O's a clsoer that they lacked. The last 2 bullpen spots are up for grabs but there are a long of quality arms who are competing.
Last eyar the Orioles had Greg Zaun and Moeller as their catcher for half the year, just about. Now they get Wieters starting for the whole year. He was told to focus solely on defense and working with teh pitcher last yera and it showed in his pederstrian start. However he had a monster last month and half or so and ended up with very respectable numbers for a rookie cather. He should be .285+ and hit about 20 hrs.
Tejada will take over third for Mora and Wiggington. He will provide the Orioles with a good bat. No more power but still hits for average. His defense will take soem time as its an adjustment.
1st is the one true hole for the Orioles. Atkins will start the season there and there will be a rotation of him, Luke Scott, Riemold and Wiggington between DH and 1st. Crowley and the Orioles claim to have noticed something in Atkins swing/approach at the plate and say they will fix it. If he fails, so be it but if he regains his past form it will be a big pick up.
Outfield is one of the best in baseball. Markakis had a down year last year and admitted in the past couple weeks that getting married, becoming a father and signign the 6 yr/66.1 mm contract really put pressure on him to perform and drained him mentally. He says he is more focused and prepared for this season than last season and the line up has a lot more protection and threats than in any year Markakis has been on the team. Adam Jones is continuing to grow and become better. He has all the tools and if he gets better plate coverage he should be a force all year instead of a half year. Pie and Riemold will split time in left with Reimold getting the majority of the time unless his achilles is still sore then Pie will play until Riemold is ready. Riemold was top 5 in every offensive category for rookies last year. Pie hit over 300 from June 25th on with an OPS over 800.
The Orioles should be a .500 team this year. It would nto shock me to see them do somethign similar to the Rays 2 years ago if all the stars align and everyone has career years. I dont expect that to happen but They will be much improved from last season.
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Thnk you made the wrong choice with the Orioles.
They are much much much improved. Just look at their bullpen and starting pitching this year compared to last year. Their starting rotation last year had Adam Eaton for the first quarter of the season.
Now they have Bergesen, Matusz, and Tillman who will be in their second full season. Matusz, IMO, will win ROY and could be a 15+ winner. Bergesen should regress from last year after a tremendous rookie campaign, which he would have been in the ROY mix if not getting injured after taking a liner off the shin, but he was a ground ball machine and if he can continue he should be a very servicible #4 type pitcher. Tillman will have his ups and downs but he has the talent to win 10 games. Guthrie had his worse season last year and many believe it can be attributed to him playing in the World Baseball Classic. If he reverts back to his previous 2 years or even slightly improves from last year while not giving up the long ball he should be successful and win 12+ games. Then there is Millwood. He is an inning eater that this team has needed for quite some time. He will pitch in the mid 4 ERA but he will throw close to 200 inning and mentor the young pitchers.
This is the best starting staff the Orioles have had in atlaest 5 years. Then their bullpen will be their strength. Probaly their best strength of the team. Last year the bullpen was awful and it has been awful for quite some time. Koji will be a bullpen person and hitters had around a .200 average the first time facing him last year. He will no longer be int eh starting rotation and should be a very dependable arm out of the bullpen. Kam is a power arm who has closer stuff. He has a power sinker and fastball and can be very difficult and imposing for opposing batters as he stand 6'9 and does a great job of using his height and leverage on the ball. Jim Johnson who excelled in he set up role before being moved to closer will be back in his role and he has very good stuff when he is on. He attacks batters and has great movement on his fastball. The signing of Mike Gonzalez is also huge as it give the O's a clsoer that they lacked. The last 2 bullpen spots are up for grabs but there are a long of quality arms who are competing.
Last eyar the Orioles had Greg Zaun and Moeller as their catcher for half the year, just about. Now they get Wieters starting for the whole year. He was told to focus solely on defense and working with teh pitcher last yera and it showed in his pederstrian start. However he had a monster last month and half or so and ended up with very respectable numbers for a rookie cather. He should be .285+ and hit about 20 hrs.
Tejada will take over third for Mora and Wiggington. He will provide the Orioles with a good bat. No more power but still hits for average. His defense will take soem time as its an adjustment.
1st is the one true hole for the Orioles. Atkins will start the season there and there will be a rotation of him, Luke Scott, Riemold and Wiggington between DH and 1st. Crowley and the Orioles claim to have noticed something in Atkins swing/approach at the plate and say they will fix it. If he fails, so be it but if he regains his past form it will be a big pick up.
Outfield is one of the best in baseball. Markakis had a down year last year and admitted in the past couple weeks that getting married, becoming a father and signign the 6 yr/66.1 mm contract really put pressure on him to perform and drained him mentally. He says he is more focused and prepared for this season than last season and the line up has a lot more protection and threats than in any year Markakis has been on the team. Adam Jones is continuing to grow and become better. He has all the tools and if he gets better plate coverage he should be a force all year instead of a half year. Pie and Riemold will split time in left with Reimold getting the majority of the time unless his achilles is still sore then Pie will play until Riemold is ready. Riemold was top 5 in every offensive category for rookies last year. Pie hit over 300 from June 25th on with an OPS over 800.
The Orioles should be a .500 team this year. It would nto shock me to see them do somethign similar to the Rays 2 years ago if all the stars align and everyone has career years. I dont expect that to happen but They will be much improved from last season.
They are much much much improved. Just look at their bullpen and starting pitching this year compared to last year. Their starting rotation last year had Adam Eaton for the first quarter of the season.
Now they have Bergesen, Matusz, and Tillman who will be in their second full season. Matusz, IMO, will win ROY and could be a 15+ winner. Bergesen should regress from last year after a tremendous rookie campaign, which he would have been in the ROY mix if not getting injured after taking a liner off the shin, but he was a ground ball machine and if he can continue he should be a very servicible #4 type pitcher. Tillman will have his ups and downs but he has the talent to win 10 games. Guthrie had his worse season last year and many believe it can be attributed to him playing in the World Baseball Classic. If he reverts back to his previous 2 years or even slightly improves from last year while not giving up the long ball he should be successful and win 12+ games. Then there is Millwood. He is an inning eater that this team has needed for quite some time. He will pitch in the mid 4 ERA but he will throw close to 200 inning and mentor the young pitchers.
This is the best starting staff the Orioles have had in atlaest 5 years. Then their bullpen will be their strength. Probaly their best strength of the team. Last year the bullpen was awful and it has been awful for quite some time. Koji will be a bullpen person and hitters had around a .200 average the first time facing him last year. He will no longer be int eh starting rotation and should be a very dependable arm out of the bullpen. Kam is a power arm who has closer stuff. He has a power sinker and fastball and can be very difficult and imposing for opposing batters as he stand 6'9 and does a great job of using his height and leverage on the ball. Jim Johnson who excelled in he set up role before being moved to closer will be back in his role and he has very good stuff when he is on. He attacks batters and has great movement on his fastball. The signing of Mike Gonzalez is also huge as it give the O's a clsoer that they lacked. The last 2 bullpen spots are up for grabs but there are a long of quality arms who are competing.
Last eyar the Orioles had Greg Zaun and Moeller as their catcher for half the year, just about. Now they get Wieters starting for the whole year. He was told to focus solely on defense and working with teh pitcher last yera and it showed in his pederstrian start. However he had a monster last month and half or so and ended up with very respectable numbers for a rookie cather. He should be .285+ and hit about 20 hrs.
Tejada will take over third for Mora and Wiggington. He will provide the Orioles with a good bat. No more power but still hits for average. His defense will take soem time as its an adjustment.
1st is the one true hole for the Orioles. Atkins will start the season there and there will be a rotation of him, Luke Scott, Riemold and Wiggington between DH and 1st. Crowley and the Orioles claim to have noticed something in Atkins swing/approach at the plate and say they will fix it. If he fails, so be it but if he regains his past form it will be a big pick up.
Outfield is one of the best in baseball. Markakis had a down year last year and admitted in the past couple weeks that getting married, becoming a father and signign the 6 yr/66.1 mm contract really put pressure on him to perform and drained him mentally. He says he is more focused and prepared for this season than last season and the line up has a lot more protection and threats than in any year Markakis has been on the team. Adam Jones is continuing to grow and become better. He has all the tools and if he gets better plate coverage he should be a force all year instead of a half year. Pie and Riemold will split time in left with Reimold getting the majority of the time unless his achilles is still sore then Pie will play until Riemold is ready. Riemold was top 5 in every offensive category for rookies last year. Pie hit over 300 from June 25th on with an OPS over 800.
The Orioles should be a .500 team this year. It would nto shock me to see them do somethign similar to the Rays 2 years ago if all the stars align and everyone has career years. I dont expect that to happen but They will be much improved from last season.
Thanks Alot for all the O's Input Brother.....
Right now I will just have to disagree with you.....
I don't Like Atkins(PED downturn) -- Wieters could be highly Overrated----While the SP's have to be better this year, as a Staff they were dead last in 2009 with a 5.15 ERA and a 1.52 WHIP(giving up a insane 1633 hits....----.
I do Like the Young Talent ------- Nolan Reimold is one of my Key Fantasy Nerd (AL Only) Sleepers in 2010
BEST OF HEALTH, HAPPINESS,WEALTH, BLESSINGS and LUCK TO ALL !!
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Quote Originally Posted by jpero:
Thnk you made the wrong choice with the Orioles.
They are much much much improved. Just look at their bullpen and starting pitching this year compared to last year. Their starting rotation last year had Adam Eaton for the first quarter of the season.
Now they have Bergesen, Matusz, and Tillman who will be in their second full season. Matusz, IMO, will win ROY and could be a 15+ winner. Bergesen should regress from last year after a tremendous rookie campaign, which he would have been in the ROY mix if not getting injured after taking a liner off the shin, but he was a ground ball machine and if he can continue he should be a very servicible #4 type pitcher. Tillman will have his ups and downs but he has the talent to win 10 games. Guthrie had his worse season last year and many believe it can be attributed to him playing in the World Baseball Classic. If he reverts back to his previous 2 years or even slightly improves from last year while not giving up the long ball he should be successful and win 12+ games. Then there is Millwood. He is an inning eater that this team has needed for quite some time. He will pitch in the mid 4 ERA but he will throw close to 200 inning and mentor the young pitchers.
This is the best starting staff the Orioles have had in atlaest 5 years. Then their bullpen will be their strength. Probaly their best strength of the team. Last year the bullpen was awful and it has been awful for quite some time. Koji will be a bullpen person and hitters had around a .200 average the first time facing him last year. He will no longer be int eh starting rotation and should be a very dependable arm out of the bullpen. Kam is a power arm who has closer stuff. He has a power sinker and fastball and can be very difficult and imposing for opposing batters as he stand 6'9 and does a great job of using his height and leverage on the ball. Jim Johnson who excelled in he set up role before being moved to closer will be back in his role and he has very good stuff when he is on. He attacks batters and has great movement on his fastball. The signing of Mike Gonzalez is also huge as it give the O's a clsoer that they lacked. The last 2 bullpen spots are up for grabs but there are a long of quality arms who are competing.
Last eyar the Orioles had Greg Zaun and Moeller as their catcher for half the year, just about. Now they get Wieters starting for the whole year. He was told to focus solely on defense and working with teh pitcher last yera and it showed in his pederstrian start. However he had a monster last month and half or so and ended up with very respectable numbers for a rookie cather. He should be .285+ and hit about 20 hrs.
Tejada will take over third for Mora and Wiggington. He will provide the Orioles with a good bat. No more power but still hits for average. His defense will take soem time as its an adjustment.
1st is the one true hole for the Orioles. Atkins will start the season there and there will be a rotation of him, Luke Scott, Riemold and Wiggington between DH and 1st. Crowley and the Orioles claim to have noticed something in Atkins swing/approach at the plate and say they will fix it. If he fails, so be it but if he regains his past form it will be a big pick up.
Outfield is one of the best in baseball. Markakis had a down year last year and admitted in the past couple weeks that getting married, becoming a father and signign the 6 yr/66.1 mm contract really put pressure on him to perform and drained him mentally. He says he is more focused and prepared for this season than last season and the line up has a lot more protection and threats than in any year Markakis has been on the team. Adam Jones is continuing to grow and become better. He has all the tools and if he gets better plate coverage he should be a force all year instead of a half year. Pie and Riemold will split time in left with Reimold getting the majority of the time unless his achilles is still sore then Pie will play until Riemold is ready. Riemold was top 5 in every offensive category for rookies last year. Pie hit over 300 from June 25th on with an OPS over 800.
The Orioles should be a .500 team this year. It would nto shock me to see them do somethign similar to the Rays 2 years ago if all the stars align and everyone has career years. I dont expect that to happen but They will be much improved from last season.
Thanks Alot for all the O's Input Brother.....
Right now I will just have to disagree with you.....
I don't Like Atkins(PED downturn) -- Wieters could be highly Overrated----While the SP's have to be better this year, as a Staff they were dead last in 2009 with a 5.15 ERA and a 1.52 WHIP(giving up a insane 1633 hits....----.
I do Like the Young Talent ------- Nolan Reimold is one of my Key Fantasy Nerd (AL Only) Sleepers in 2010
Just remember those starting pitcher stats are a little skewed in the realm of things....
Guthrie
Uehara
Simon
Hendrickson
Eaton
That was the 2009 opening day rotation.
The Orioles AAA starting rotations for 2010 would probably fair better.
It wasnt until halfway through the season that they inserted Bergesen, Matusz, Tillman and that was their first season.
The Orioles also became the first team in MLB history to have 6 rookies win their first start. Koji, Berken, Matusz, Bergesen, David Hernandez, Tillman. Doesn't say much but a nice piece of information to know.
2nd year they should progress. Guthrie should pitch better and Millwood is an improvement over everyone in the 2009 rotation. Also because their rotation was so poor last year it overworked the bullpen. This year the bullpen is their strong point and the starters will/should make life easier.
Last year was a year used by the Orioles to gain the young players experience and mature. It was not about win/losses. This year the season will be about win/losses and it wont be about developing the young talent. They will be a fun team to watch.
Wieters will be one of the top cathers. Does he put up Mauer #s... absolutely not but he has that potential. He will still be one of the top 5 catchers though. College hitting talent, such as Wieters, have a very, very high succes rate in the majors, if you look at historically the best college bat and going to the MLBs. There are not many busts as compared to college pitchers or top high school bats or pitchers. Historically the top college bat has almost always translated and performed in the MLB.
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Just remember those starting pitcher stats are a little skewed in the realm of things....
Guthrie
Uehara
Simon
Hendrickson
Eaton
That was the 2009 opening day rotation.
The Orioles AAA starting rotations for 2010 would probably fair better.
It wasnt until halfway through the season that they inserted Bergesen, Matusz, Tillman and that was their first season.
The Orioles also became the first team in MLB history to have 6 rookies win their first start. Koji, Berken, Matusz, Bergesen, David Hernandez, Tillman. Doesn't say much but a nice piece of information to know.
2nd year they should progress. Guthrie should pitch better and Millwood is an improvement over everyone in the 2009 rotation. Also because their rotation was so poor last year it overworked the bullpen. This year the bullpen is their strong point and the starters will/should make life easier.
Last year was a year used by the Orioles to gain the young players experience and mature. It was not about win/losses. This year the season will be about win/losses and it wont be about developing the young talent. They will be a fun team to watch.
Wieters will be one of the top cathers. Does he put up Mauer #s... absolutely not but he has that potential. He will still be one of the top 5 catchers though. College hitting talent, such as Wieters, have a very, very high succes rate in the majors, if you look at historically the best college bat and going to the MLBs. There are not many busts as compared to college pitchers or top high school bats or pitchers. Historically the top college bat has almost always translated and performed in the MLB.
Just remember those starting pitcher stats are a little skewed in the realm of things....
Guthrie Uehara Simon Hendrickson Eaton
That was the 2009 opening day rotation.
The Orioles AAA starting rotations for 2010 would probably fair better.
It wasnt until halfway through the season that they inserted Bergesen, Matusz, Tillman and that was their first season.
The Orioles also became the first team in MLB history to have 6 rookies win their first start. Koji, Berken, Matusz, Bergesen, David Hernandez, Tillman. Doesn't say much but a nice piece of information to know.
2nd year they should progress. Guthrie should pitch better and Millwood is an improvement over everyone in the 2009 rotation. Also because their rotation was so poor last year it overworked the bullpen. This year the bullpen is their strong point and the starters will/should make life easier.
Last year was a year used by the Orioles to gain the young players experience and mature. It was not about win/losses. This year the season will be about win/losses and it wont be about developing the young talent. They will be a fun team to watch.
Wieters will be one of the top cathers. Does he put up Mauer #s... absolutely not but he has that potential. He will still be one of the top 5 catchers though. College hitting talent, such as Wieters, have a very, very high succes rate in the majors, if you look at historically the best college bat and going to the MLBs. There are not many busts as compared to college pitchers or top high school bats or pitchers. Historically the top college bat has almost always translated and performed in the MLB.
Thanks again for all the O's Insight .......Thanks for the Time put into typing all of it
You know this team about 50000x better than I do .....\
I will Listen ... And slow down putting anymore money VS Baltimore (for Now)
BEST OF HEALTH, HAPPINESS,WEALTH, BLESSINGS and LUCK TO ALL !!
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Quote Originally Posted by jpero:
Just remember those starting pitcher stats are a little skewed in the realm of things....
Guthrie Uehara Simon Hendrickson Eaton
That was the 2009 opening day rotation.
The Orioles AAA starting rotations for 2010 would probably fair better.
It wasnt until halfway through the season that they inserted Bergesen, Matusz, Tillman and that was their first season.
The Orioles also became the first team in MLB history to have 6 rookies win their first start. Koji, Berken, Matusz, Bergesen, David Hernandez, Tillman. Doesn't say much but a nice piece of information to know.
2nd year they should progress. Guthrie should pitch better and Millwood is an improvement over everyone in the 2009 rotation. Also because their rotation was so poor last year it overworked the bullpen. This year the bullpen is their strong point and the starters will/should make life easier.
Last year was a year used by the Orioles to gain the young players experience and mature. It was not about win/losses. This year the season will be about win/losses and it wont be about developing the young talent. They will be a fun team to watch.
Wieters will be one of the top cathers. Does he put up Mauer #s... absolutely not but he has that potential. He will still be one of the top 5 catchers though. College hitting talent, such as Wieters, have a very, very high succes rate in the majors, if you look at historically the best college bat and going to the MLBs. There are not many busts as compared to college pitchers or top high school bats or pitchers. Historically the top college bat has almost always translated and performed in the MLB.
Thanks again for all the O's Insight .......Thanks for the Time put into typing all of it
You know this team about 50000x better than I do .....\
I will Listen ... And slow down putting anymore money VS Baltimore (for Now)
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....so was Milwaukee over 26.5.... I lost a Minnesota Over , unless they go on a Sick run 
to bet any team over 94.5.... although the Sox have plenty of talent to get there ...
, The Cubs might win 84-93 Games 
.... They did not come out of Nowhere last since they were in the NL Championship
the year before(vs your Phillies) .......
73.5 +120
AL East 
Since when did 5 Dimes Post the Season Win Totals ?????
...... 
Looking at my Greek account I forgot this Wager in the Above Current MLB Futures Post
Happy the Max Bet is totally different on every team 
Waiting for the Rest of the Odds to be Released
2yr old running around .......
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