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    Posted: Jun. 12, 2009 - 10:14 PM ET #76

    Quote Originally Posted by HappyKane:

    Baseball is retarded in the sense that any chump can bet on 6 underdogs everyday for a month and end up with plus money.
     
    Only in baseball can this be done.

    Especially on Freaky Friday

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    Quote Originally Posted by HappyKane:

    Baseball is retarded in the sense that any chump can bet on 6 underdogs everyday for a month and end up with plus money.
     
    Only in baseball can this be done.

    Especially on Freaky Friday

     
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    Posted: Jun. 12, 2009 - 10:15 PM ET #77

    Any girls in here wanna lay?
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    Posted: Jun. 12, 2009 - 10:20 PM ET #78

    I may lose all three games I bet tonight - SEA-PHI- and I already lost with Pitt, but look at what will happen to the Halladay bettor tonight- they will lose more on a single game than I lost in 3 games, and 2 games I haven't lost yet........ Dont ever lay over 130 if you wanna win in baseball. Do the work on the 110-115-120 games and get your winners from there. No need to ever lay over 130, ever.
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    I may lose all three games I bet tonight - SEA-PHI- and I already lost with Pitt, but look at what will happen to the Halladay bettor tonight- they will lose more on a single game than I lost in 3 games, and 2 games I haven't lost yet........ Dont ever lay over 130 if you wanna win in baseball. Do the work on the 110-115-120 games and get your winners from there. No need to ever lay over 130, ever.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 12, 2009 - 10:33 PM ET #79

    Halladay was not a lock.  
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    Posted: Jun. 12, 2009 - 10:34 PM ET #80

    Wasnt me btw I just find this whole thread funny.
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    Wasnt me btw I just find this whole thread funny.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 12, 2009 - 10:34 PM ET #81

    blanket rules don't work in baseball quite that easy . . . give me a good angels/mariners/a's pitcher facing the red sox and wakefield on the west coast and i will gladly lay 30 cents juice, history shows that boston doesn't come any where close to winning those games 43.5% of the time.
     
    give me felix hernandez facing the twins the day after the twins have clinched the central, and have the lineup loaded with sept. callups, and felix is still pursuing a cy young, sign me up at -150, i think felix wins that game more than 60% of the time.
     
    it's all situational . . . those that follow my threads know i don't lay much juice on sides, and rarely lay more than 5 cents on total. but give me the right situation, and i would gladly lay 30 or 40 or 50 cents juice.  it's all about the price of a commodity and my percieved valuation of what's a good "deal" for me.
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    blanket rules don't work in baseball quite that easy . . . give me a good angels/mariners/a's pitcher facing the red sox and wakefield on the west coast and i will gladly lay 30 cents juice, history shows that boston doesn't come any where close to winning those games 43.5% of the time.
     
    give me felix hernandez facing the twins the day after the twins have clinched the central, and have the lineup loaded with sept. callups, and felix is still pursuing a cy young, sign me up at -150, i think felix wins that game more than 60% of the time.
     
    it's all situational . . . those that follow my threads know i don't lay much juice on sides, and rarely lay more than 5 cents on total. but give me the right situation, and i would gladly lay 30 or 40 or 50 cents juice.  it's all about the price of a commodity and my percieved valuation of what's a good "deal" for me.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 12, 2009 - 10:35 PM ET #82

    Quote Originally Posted by thebayareabeast:

    Halladay was not a lock.  

    Tell that to the guyy that said it this morning. No game in any sport is ever a lock, therefore there is no need to ever lay wood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebayareabeast:

    Halladay was not a lock.  

    Tell that to the guyy that said it this morning. No game in any sport is ever a lock, therefore there is no need to ever lay wood.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 12, 2009 - 11:09 PM ET #83

    Laying more than $40 on a first date is financial suicide.
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    Posted: Jun. 12, 2009 - 11:14 PM ET #84

    Quote Originally Posted by HappyKane:

    Laying more than $40 on a first date is financial suicide.

    Not if you get a sucky

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    Quote Originally Posted by HappyKane:

    Laying more than $40 on a first date is financial suicide.

    Not if you get a sucky

     
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    Posted: Jun. 12, 2009 - 11:14 PM ET #85

    Dammit I just saw where I put a bet in on the Mets this am. So I have/had Mets, Seattle, Philly and Pitt. a probable 0-4. My only saving grace is not knowing I had the Mets until after they lost. Had I known I had the Mets and then saw Luis Castillo drop that ball I would not have been posting here for a while- Not because I committed suicide but because I would have smashed this laptop to bits in a fit of rage. THATS THE METS. THATS EXACTLY THE METS. Holy SHIT.
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    Dammit I just saw where I put a bet in on the Mets this am. So I have/had Mets, Seattle, Philly and Pitt. a probable 0-4. My only saving grace is not knowing I had the Mets until after they lost. Had I known I had the Mets and then saw Luis Castillo drop that ball I would not have been posting here for a while- Not because I committed suicide but because I would have smashed this laptop to bits in a fit of rage. THATS THE METS. THATS EXACTLY THE METS. Holy SHIT.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 12, 2009 - 11:17 PM ET #86

    you got burned tonight... I'm a Jays fan and even I stayed away from the Jays game. But I do think that you can bet faves and still win money
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    you got burned tonight... I'm a Jays fan and even I stayed away from the Jays game. But I do think that you can bet faves and still win money
     
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    Posted: Jun. 12, 2009 - 11:26 PM ET #87

    Quote Originally Posted by bomber0104:

    you got burned tonight... I'm a Jays fan and even I stayed away from the Jays game. But I do think that you can bet faves and still win money

    No biggie. Losing happens. Losing on Dogs happens all the time. But so does losing on favorites. Happens all the time. Losing on 4 dogs tonight hurts and hurts bad, but it doesn't blow me out. If you had the Jays and 3 other losers you got blown out. The Yankees should have lost at -200 as well. And Tampa BARELY got by the horrible Nats at -250. Thats baseball. But plenty of other low-cost teams won tonight that were fair bets. K.C., Boston, Detroit, all those teams were under 130. I just happend to like Pitt and Philly and I lost, but had you bet the favorites there you would have won. Remember, I never said dont bet favorites, I said dont bet favorites over 130.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bomber0104:

    you got burned tonight... I'm a Jays fan and even I stayed away from the Jays game. But I do think that you can bet faves and still win money

    No biggie. Losing happens. Losing on Dogs happens all the time. But so does losing on favorites. Happens all the time. Losing on 4 dogs tonight hurts and hurts bad, but it doesn't blow me out. If you had the Jays and 3 other losers you got blown out. The Yankees should have lost at -200 as well. And Tampa BARELY got by the horrible Nats at -250. Thats baseball. But plenty of other low-cost teams won tonight that were fair bets. K.C., Boston, Detroit, all those teams were under 130. I just happend to like Pitt and Philly and I lost, but had you bet the favorites there you would have won. Remember, I never said dont bet favorites, I said dont bet favorites over 130.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2009 - 12:25 AM ET #88

    I think you have some great points vamos, and I think you are probably a successful baseball bettor.  But some of your points are misleading, and hook is right in various instances.  Baseball betting is all about value, and it doesn't matter how you lay the juice.  All these games are independent events, and statistical models for baseball games as a whole are not as accurate as pitching-specific or team-specific or situation-specific models.  A favorite laying -165 can have more value than a dog getting +110, depending on the situation.  If you have a team that you have capped as winning 2 out of 3 times at -165, this has more line value than a team that will win half the time at +110. 

    I agree that long-term betting on faves is the most classic form of "bookie bank."  But the point is, no one is arguing this.  They are simply saying that it's about value, and not about picking "every favorite," as you have said to do to prove your point many times.  If a favorite has more value, I'm all about taking the favorite.  It's not a long-term betting strategy, it's about independent events and probabilities in certain situations. 
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    I think you have some great points vamos, and I think you are probably a successful baseball bettor.  But some of your points are misleading, and hook is right in various instances.  Baseball betting is all about value, and it doesn't matter how you lay the juice.  All these games are independent events, and statistical models for baseball games as a whole are not as accurate as pitching-specific or team-specific or situation-specific models.  A favorite laying -165 can have more value than a dog getting +110, depending on the situation.  If you have a team that you have capped as winning 2 out of 3 times at -165, this has more line value than a team that will win half the time at +110. 

    I agree that long-term betting on faves is the most classic form of "bookie bank."  But the point is, no one is arguing this.  They are simply saying that it's about value, and not about picking "every favorite," as you have said to do to prove your point many times.  If a favorite has more value, I'm all about taking the favorite.  It's not a long-term betting strategy, it's about independent events and probabilities in certain situations. 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2009 - 12:46 AM ET #89

    I took the dreaded yankees at -240.. man, I was soooooo lucky!  My luckiest game ever on baseball


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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2009 - 1:21 AM ET #90

    Quote Originally Posted by vamosrafa:

    Ok where are the genius' that were laying 300 with Halladay? Do you remember what I wrote about LAYING and who argued with me? You want me to find the post where I said what happens if Halladay comes out with an injury? Well lookie there. And that ladies and gentlemen is why you never lay wood over 130 and laying wood like 3-1 is just plain retarded. You are BEGGING to get cleaned out. The risk/reward is NOT THERE. AT ALL. One guy even said "there are times when you have to lay wood, like with a lock like Halladay tonight"  Get a grip fellas and learn the right way or learn the hard way. I learned the hard way long ago and now only play the right way which is never, ever, laying over 130.

    The man has a point here ... I mean if you want the perfect example of his arguement look what happened.

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    Ok where are the genius' that were laying 300 with Halladay? Do you remember what I wrote about LAYING and who argued with me? You want me to find the post where I said what happens if Halladay comes out with an injury? Well lookie there. And that ladies and gentlemen is why you never lay wood over 130 and laying wood like 3-1 is just plain retarded. You are BEGGING to get cleaned out. The risk/reward is NOT THERE. AT ALL. One guy even said "there are times when you have to lay wood, like with a lock like Halladay tonight"  Get a grip fellas and learn the right way or learn the hard way. I learned the hard way long ago and now only play the right way which is never, ever, laying over 130.

    The man has a point here ... I mean if you want the perfect example of his arguement look what happened.

     
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    I have to say you are wrong. I have moved to Vegas since 10/01 and have kept the charts since 2003 and have them in my computer.
    It all depends on the season you are looking at.  I use the books at
    the Coast system here in Vegas.  They changed over to Sams Town/Stardust managers  I think in 2008.  Before then the Coast rating service showed a profit on home Fav's of -150 each year before '06.
    I have found that depending on the situation the fav's will show a profit when chosen rightly.  Here in Vegas there are many that know what they are doing like the tourists.  I was just talking to the head of the Palms book and only tourists play teh 20cent lines at places like Bally's system or Mirage.  The people who know do play favs
    at places like Coast and Hilton and Palms.

    One stat told me by a long time stat keeper was that in 2004 the
    -300 or more favs went 0-4.  I sugest you get from the "Gamblers Book" store here in Vegas a data base listing of the last 10 years
    of AL & NL stats.   The last copy I bought was in DB and I converted to my favorite spread sheet to sort out.

    One inside tip I can give if you watch the right opening line and price above -200 loses whereas some prices at -199 won in previous years.  Go figure?
         
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    I have to say you are wrong. I have moved to Vegas since 10/01 and have kept the charts since 2003 and have them in my computer.
    It all depends on the season you are looking at.  I use the books at
    the Coast system here in Vegas.  They changed over to Sams Town/Stardust managers  I think in 2008.  Before then the Coast rating service showed a profit on home Fav's of -150 each year before '06.
    I have found that depending on the situation the fav's will show a profit when chosen rightly.  Here in Vegas there are many that know what they are doing like the tourists.  I was just talking to the head of the Palms book and only tourists play teh 20cent lines at places like Bally's system or Mirage.  The people who know do play favs
    at places like Coast and Hilton and Palms.

    One stat told me by a long time stat keeper was that in 2004 the
    -300 or more favs went 0-4.  I sugest you get from the "Gamblers Book" store here in Vegas a data base listing of the last 10 years
    of AL & NL stats.   The last copy I bought was in DB and I converted to my favorite spread sheet to sort out.

    One inside tip I can give if you watch the right opening line and price above -200 loses whereas some prices at -199 won in previous years.  Go figure?
         
     
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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2009 - 9:29 AM ET #92

    Look guys, one thing I am sure we can all agree on is that betting any sport is not "easy" its damn hard. Betting and winning on favorites is hard. Betting and winning on dogs is hard. Being that all betting is equally hard, why would you ever lay wood? You don't have to. You just have to work harder. Anything worth while requires hard work. Now along those lines lets find a freakin winner today in some of the even-money games. I'm looking hard at Dice-K but that line is a little fishy.
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    Look guys, one thing I am sure we can all agree on is that betting any sport is not "easy" its damn hard. Betting and winning on favorites is hard. Betting and winning on dogs is hard. Being that all betting is equally hard, why would you ever lay wood? You don't have to. You just have to work harder. Anything worth while requires hard work. Now along those lines lets find a freakin winner today in some of the even-money games. I'm looking hard at Dice-K but that line is a little fishy.
     
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    Instead of conjecture, how about this
     
    Price                           Percentage needed to break even
    -110                                      52.38
    -120                                      54.55
    -130                                      56.52
    -140                                      58.33
    -150                                      60.00
    -170                                      62.96
    -180                                      64.29
    -190                                      65.52
    -200                                      66.67
    -210                                      67.74
    -220                                      68.75
    -230                                      69.70
    -240                                      70.59
    -250                                      71.43
    -260                                      72.22
    -270                                      72.97
    -280                                      73.68
    -300                                      75.00
     
    Baseball is strage in that you can pick %50 and win all the time if you bet the underdogs.  Also the very best team in baseball will end up with around a .600 winning percentage, but you can guarantee that they will average laying more than 150 (a .600 winning percentage) every night.  A team like the Yankees can almost be flat bet against every night since they are almost always laying more than 150 and will not be a .600 team.
     
    Halladay is geat, but look at last year.  He was 20-11 in 34 starts, with 2 no- decisons.  Lets credit him with 2 wins, makinghim 22-11, or .667.  If he lays 200 evey night you only break even with him.  But he lays much more than 200 at home, and will price at 160 on the road against a good team.  His last ten have been 210, 238, 170, 147, 168, 245, 127, 152, 230, 147.  The away games are  147, 168, 152, and 147.  He went 7-0, but the team went 7-3, or +175. If the team went 6-4, you would have lost.  So basically, Halladay, has to go .667 for you to win money. 
     
    I know the argument that you dont bet him every time, you wait for the right match-ups, blah blah blah.  But if you bet him 6 times a year for 5 years, then you have 30 starts.  If the team doenst go 20-10 in those starts then you lost.
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    Price                           Percentage needed to break even
    -110                                      52.38
    -120                                      54.55
    -130                                      56.52
    -140                                      58.33
    -150                                      60.00
    -170                                      62.96
    -180                                      64.29
    -190                                      65.52
    -200                                      66.67
    -210                                      67.74
    -220                                      68.75
    -230                                      69.70
    -240                                      70.59
    -250                                      71.43
    -260                                      72.22
    -270                                      72.97
    -280                                      73.68
    -300                                      75.00
     
    Baseball is strage in that you can pick %50 and win all the time if you bet the underdogs.  Also the very best team in baseball will end up with around a .600 winning percentage, but you can guarantee that they will average laying more than 150 (a .600 winning percentage) every night.  A team like the Yankees can almost be flat bet against every night since they are almost always laying more than 150 and will not be a .600 team.
     
    Halladay is geat, but look at last year.  He was 20-11 in 34 starts, with 2 no- decisons.  Lets credit him with 2 wins, makinghim 22-11, or .667.  If he lays 200 evey night you only break even with him.  But he lays much more than 200 at home, and will price at 160 on the road against a good team.  His last ten have been 210, 238, 170, 147, 168, 245, 127, 152, 230, 147.  The away games are  147, 168, 152, and 147.  He went 7-0, but the team went 7-3, or +175. If the team went 6-4, you would have lost.  So basically, Halladay, has to go .667 for you to win money. 
     
    I know the argument that you dont bet him every time, you wait for the right match-ups, blah blah blah.  But if you bet him 6 times a year for 5 years, then you have 30 starts.  If the team doenst go 20-10 in those starts then you lost.
     
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    As a side note, Halaldays team record in all games started for his career is 164-105, or .610.  He has played on some bad teams though.
     
    Sabathia's team record is 153-114, .573, and he lays huge numbers everty time out also.
     
    A guy that just retired, Mike Mussina, had one of the great records of all time, 325-210, .607, or just abut double what Halladay has done, a great money maker through the years.  In fact a much better record than Glavine 391-291 (.573) who played on much better teams and I am sure laid much odds throughout his career, and Maddux 431-309 (.582) who laid more wood than both.  Both Maddux and Glavine though, kept pitching into their 40's whereas Mussina hung them up after going 20-9, but then they also got started earlier, Mussina went to college, and played on much better teams also.
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    As a side note, Halaldays team record in all games started for his career is 164-105, or .610.  He has played on some bad teams though.
     
    Sabathia's team record is 153-114, .573, and he lays huge numbers everty time out also.
     
    A guy that just retired, Mike Mussina, had one of the great records of all time, 325-210, .607, or just abut double what Halladay has done, a great money maker through the years.  In fact a much better record than Glavine 391-291 (.573) who played on much better teams and I am sure laid much odds throughout his career, and Maddux 431-309 (.582) who laid more wood than both.  Both Maddux and Glavine though, kept pitching into their 40's whereas Mussina hung them up after going 20-9, but then they also got started earlier, Mussina went to college, and played on much better teams also.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2009 - 10:19 AM ET #95

    It's only juice when you lose.
     
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    You guys better jump over to kingscorpion's thread !!
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    You guys better jump over to kingscorpion's thread !!
     
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    Any thing said on the Jays game after the loss is after the fact, means -0-
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gambleholic:

    How can you be a bad 'sportsbook pro'

    The definition of a professional is someone who makes a living at what they do.  If someone is able to pay the bills off of sportsbetting, how can they be bad?

     

    Anyway... I agree with the OP.. wagering on -135 or greater in baseball is a losing proposition.  Say what you want about picking spots and laying juice, but the 'pros' most likey stay far away from those.

    How can you be a bad sportsbook pro???? LMAO..... come to vegas pal... I will introduce you to many.... how can you be a bad pro baseball, basketball, hockey player?? simple, you make it, you got your shot, you do it full time as a primary source of income, and you fail and do something else, the only diff is they always come back..... honestly, no offense primarily intended, but I don't know you but can assure you the following advise would benefit you greatly... "speak as little as possible each, and everyday and less people will realize your lack of intellectual capacity"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gambleholic:

    How can you be a bad 'sportsbook pro'

    The definition of a professional is someone who makes a living at what they do.  If someone is able to pay the bills off of sportsbetting, how can they be bad?

     

    Anyway... I agree with the OP.. wagering on -135 or greater in baseball is a losing proposition.  Say what you want about picking spots and laying juice, but the 'pros' most likey stay far away from those.

    How can you be a bad sportsbook pro???? LMAO..... come to vegas pal... I will introduce you to many.... how can you be a bad pro baseball, basketball, hockey player?? simple, you make it, you got your shot, you do it full time as a primary source of income, and you fail and do something else, the only diff is they always come back..... honestly, no offense primarily intended, but I don't know you but can assure you the following advise would benefit you greatly... "speak as little as possible each, and everyday and less people will realize your lack of intellectual capacity"

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by vamosrafa:

    Quote Originally Posted by ballinchamp:

    i love guys like this who write up posts and PREACH how it goes in gambling.

    I would then assume by how confident and how straight forward your saying your thoughts are, you must be winning all sorts of cash per year, correct? I mean in the hundreds of thousands a year in sportsbetting?

    IF NOT, STFU!!!!!!

    sportsbetting is about showing profit, if you can bet a game at -180 and it hits because there was a VERY high chance of it hitting, it is a much better pick than betting on some dog at +180 and hope you win a few of those per week.

    freakin ignorant people in this world, my god, no wonder why gambling is known "for the term degeneracy"

    everybody thinks they are the experts.


    show me your bottom line profits per month or like i said : STFU

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    Why would I waste my time showing some deadbeat my profits from baseball? For what reason? There are only two sports I bet. Baseball and Tennis. You know why? Because those are the onluy two sports that you can win at year after year if you know what you are doing. Far too many variables in other sports especially football with weather. This post was not meant to start an argument because there is no aruguing over FACTS. Numbers don't lie. And for you are anyone to suggest that "a team laying 170 is much more likely to win" is out and out retarded. Then you have a low I.Q. sir and know nothing about probable statistics. You want me to show you my bankroll and baseball betting profits for the last 7 years? I haven't had a losing season in baseball EVER. I've been betting it since 2002 and have never lost, not even one season. I will show you my personal records if you do something for me. Take a statistics course at an accredited University and show me that you passed the course. Once you have done that two things will happen: One, I will show you all my personal records by Fax. Two, you will never sound like and ignorant and completely uneducated buffoon on here again. You will finally know what any remotely successfull baseball bettor knows - that you never EVER lay 130 or more in baseball. Unless you are halfway retarded of course, in that case we'll give you a pass. Now go get your fuckin shine box, dummy.

     

    My man, you are someone who obviously is miserable in many ways.... wow, I know you!! you are the guy that sits on his horn screaming in your car in a fit of road rage... lol... you make me thank God I took a different path in life...thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by vamosrafa:

    Quote Originally Posted by ballinchamp:

    i love guys like this who write up posts and PREACH how it goes in gambling.

    I would then assume by how confident and how straight forward your saying your thoughts are, you must be winning all sorts of cash per year, correct? I mean in the hundreds of thousands a year in sportsbetting?

    IF NOT, STFU!!!!!!

    sportsbetting is about showing profit, if you can bet a game at -180 and it hits because there was a VERY high chance of it hitting, it is a much better pick than betting on some dog at +180 and hope you win a few of those per week.

    freakin ignorant people in this world, my god, no wonder why gambling is known "for the term degeneracy"

    everybody thinks they are the experts.


    show me your bottom line profits per month or like i said : STFU

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    Why would I waste my time showing some deadbeat my profits from baseball? For what reason? There are only two sports I bet. Baseball and Tennis. You know why? Because those are the onluy two sports that you can win at year after year if you know what you are doing. Far too many variables in other sports especially football with weather. This post was not meant to start an argument because there is no aruguing over FACTS. Numbers don't lie. And for you are anyone to suggest that "a team laying 170 is much more likely to win" is out and out retarded. Then you have a low I.Q. sir and know nothing about probable statistics. You want me to show you my bankroll and baseball betting profits for the last 7 years? I haven't had a losing season in baseball EVER. I've been betting it since 2002 and have never lost, not even one season. I will show you my personal records if you do something for me. Take a statistics course at an accredited University and show me that you passed the course. Once you have done that two things will happen: One, I will show you all my personal records by Fax. Two, you will never sound like and ignorant and completely uneducated buffoon on here again. You will finally know what any remotely successfull baseball bettor knows - that you never EVER lay 130 or more in baseball. Unless you are halfway retarded of course, in that case we'll give you a pass. Now go get your fuckin shine box, dummy.

     

    My man, you are someone who obviously is miserable in many ways.... wow, I know you!! you are the guy that sits on his horn screaming in your car in a fit of road rage... lol... you make me thank God I took a different path in life...thanks

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by vamosrafa:

    You must be one of those self-proclaimed "expert" cappers huh? Charging for your picks? Watch Hondo from the NY Post every day. He will only bet underdogs. He is 100% free picks every day one or two games. He will beat your picks every day that you charge for, guaranteed. Even better, visit runthebases.com that is a 100 % FREE daily MLB pick site. They win every year. They will kick your ass in picking baseball guaranteed and once again, 100% free site and they never lay wood. They don't lay wood along with a few other cappers that I respect because laying wood is losing proposition over the long term. Those are hard facts, over 47 years of statistics have showed it year after year after year. So go bet those favorites and go on your "18-2 runs" with them. Just check back here when your streak goes cold and you are losing $150 a night while we are losing $100 a night and lets see who comes out on top at the end of the year when both of our records are at 53%.

    Not a "self proclaimed" anything bro... but I make money/living in a sportsbook, and would love to invite you to come to Vegas and meet my associates so you can share your insight... I can assure you that you will be telling your theories to those making high six figures that will not agree with you in the slightest, and if my guess is correct you are at best some middle management flunkie that is no where near where you hoped to be, hence the need to proclaim your ideas somewhere where someone will actually listen to you.... honestly I just dont have the time to argue this point any longer, and I have giving your ignorant opinon way too much attention already...... better luck in the rest of your life pal.

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    You must be one of those self-proclaimed "expert" cappers huh? Charging for your picks? Watch Hondo from the NY Post every day. He will only bet underdogs. He is 100% free picks every day one or two games. He will beat your picks every day that you charge for, guaranteed. Even better, visit runthebases.com that is a 100 % FREE daily MLB pick site. They win every year. They will kick your ass in picking baseball guaranteed and once again, 100% free site and they never lay wood. They don't lay wood along with a few other cappers that I respect because laying wood is losing proposition over the long term. Those are hard facts, over 47 years of statistics have showed it year after year after year. So go bet those favorites and go on your "18-2 runs" with them. Just check back here when your streak goes cold and you are losing $150 a night while we are losing $100 a night and lets see who comes out on top at the end of the year when both of our records are at 53%.

    Not a "self proclaimed" anything bro... but I make money/living in a sportsbook, and would love to invite you to come to Vegas and meet my associates so you can share your insight... I can assure you that you will be telling your theories to those making high six figures that will not agree with you in the slightest, and if my guess is correct you are at best some middle management flunkie that is no where near where you hoped to be, hence the need to proclaim your ideas somewhere where someone will actually listen to you.... honestly I just dont have the time to argue this point any longer, and I have giving your ignorant opinon way too much attention already...... better luck in the rest of your life pal.

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