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    smacksmiter
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2019 - 11:09 AM ET #1

    Tanner Rourke is a DOG vs Jimmy Nelson in Milwaukee...????

    My book has Milwaukee -135 vs -125 for Cincy...

    I must be missing something here...

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    Tanner Rourke is a DOG vs Jimmy Nelson in Milwaukee...????

    My book has Milwaukee -135 vs -125 for Cincy...

    I must be missing something here...

     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2019 - 11:36 AM ET #2

    You said Tanner Roarke like he was Nolan Ryan but no, it's no mistake, and yes, it's a good spot to take a look at Cinci. As I always say, fadecslumps. Unyil the Brew Crew gets right, you've gotta take the +money against them.

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    You said Tanner Roarke like he was Nolan Ryan but no, it's no mistake, and yes, it's a good spot to take a look at Cinci. As I always say, fadecslumps. Unyil the Brew Crew gets right, you've gotta take the +money against them.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2019 - 11:56 AM ET #3

    Come on Smack... Books making mistakes? an_roll_laugh Saw this earlier and I wouldn't be surprised if the Brewers win even though I'm not betting it. The first 5 odds (on 5Dimes) are also higher for Milwaukee hinting that Nelson SHOULD outperform Rourke in the F5 innings.. 

    Full game:

    Brew Crew: -128

    F5: -138

    Reds F5 team total odds: O2.5 (+115) U2.5 (-135)

    Brew Crew F5 TT odds: O2.5 (-120) U2.5 (+100)

    All of us experienced bettors know, when shit doesn't make sense, go against the obvious even though you won't like it. an_light It's usually these types of bets that win 6 outta 10 times... Then again, this COULD be one of those 4 outta 10 times.. an_eek2an_lightening

    Hence, no bet for me on this game.. an_shake

    "Schrödinger's bet." A bet that loses when you bet it but wins when you DON'T bet it...
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    Come on Smack... Books making mistakes? an_roll_laugh Saw this earlier and I wouldn't be surprised if the Brewers win even though I'm not betting it. The first 5 odds (on 5Dimes) are also higher for Milwaukee hinting that Nelson SHOULD outperform Rourke in the F5 innings.. 

    Full game:

    Brew Crew: -128

    F5: -138

    Reds F5 team total odds: O2.5 (+115) U2.5 (-135)

    Brew Crew F5 TT odds: O2.5 (-120) U2.5 (+100)

    All of us experienced bettors know, when shit doesn't make sense, go against the obvious even though you won't like it. an_light It's usually these types of bets that win 6 outta 10 times... Then again, this COULD be one of those 4 outta 10 times.. an_eek2an_lightening

    Hence, no bet for me on this game.. an_shake

     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2019 - 12:03 PM ET #4

    I would take over on every inning half team in this game whatever I can get my hands on but will hill doesn’t offer this garbage

    BOL today
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    I would take over on every inning half team in this game whatever I can get my hands on but will hill doesn’t offer this garbage

    BOL today
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2019 - 12:04 PM ET #5

    Yeah, good catch.  You have outsmarted Vegas.
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    Yeah, good catch.  You have outsmarted Vegas.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2019 - 12:26 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by whodamanny:

    Yeah, good catch.  You have outsmarted Vegas.

    Thanks!...

    Somehow I knew this day would come...it's a day to be remembered and go down into the ANNALS of history...

    The day Smack outsmarted Vegas...damn that sounds so good......
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    Yeah, good catch.  You have outsmarted Vegas.

    Thanks!...

    Somehow I knew this day would come...it's a day to be remembered and go down into the ANNALS of history...

    The day Smack outsmarted Vegas...damn that sounds so good......
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2019 - 12:36 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by whodamanny:

    Yeah, good catch.  You have outsmarted Vegas.

    It's my theory that guys that say "Vegas" will forever be losers. Who is this guy, Vegas? Is he the character from Street Fighter?

    The earliest lines often aren't out of Vegas. Most guys on this site are not wagering in Vegas. Sports gambling in general is such a small fraction of a casino's take, and a micron of Vegas' industry on a whole, a town now funded by tourism and conventions. So why is there alway a million jokers in here..."Vegas this....Vegas that.... Vegas ain't letting that happen....you think you outsmarted Vegas?!!"

    F*ck Vegas. You sound like an idiot everytime you say it. And this rant isn't directed at you, manny, as much as it is the masses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whodamanny:

    Yeah, good catch.  You have outsmarted Vegas.

    It's my theory that guys that say "Vegas" will forever be losers. Who is this guy, Vegas? Is he the character from Street Fighter?

    The earliest lines often aren't out of Vegas. Most guys on this site are not wagering in Vegas. Sports gambling in general is such a small fraction of a casino's take, and a micron of Vegas' industry on a whole, a town now funded by tourism and conventions. So why is there alway a million jokers in here..."Vegas this....Vegas that.... Vegas ain't letting that happen....you think you outsmarted Vegas?!!"

    F*ck Vegas. You sound like an idiot everytime you say it. And this rant isn't directed at you, manny, as much as it is the masses.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2019 - 1:02 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by TheSquare:

    Come on Smack... Books making mistakes? an_roll_laugh Saw this earlier and I wouldn't be surprised if the Brewers win even though I'm not betting it. The first 5 odds (on 5Dimes) are also higher for Milwaukee hinting that Nelson SHOULD outperform Rourke in the F5 innings.. 

    Full game:

    Brew Crew: -128

    F5: -138

    Reds F5 team total odds: O2.5 (+115) U2.5 (-135)

    Brew Crew F5 TT odds: O2.5 (-120) U2.5 (+100)

    All of us experienced bettors know, when garbage doesn't make sense, go against the obvious even though you won't like it. an_light It's usually these types of bets that win 6 outta 10 times... Then again, this COULD be one of those 4 outta 10 times.. an_eek2an_lightening

    Hence, no bet for me on this game.. an_shake


    Jimmy "F'n" Nelson...

    He of the 10.29 ERA this season...

    The 2.14 WHIP this season...

    The two outings this year...vs S.F. and Miami...9 hits...9 runs/8 earned...

    Yes, that Jimmy...certainly he should crush the Reds...

    Certainly...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSquare:

    Come on Smack... Books making mistakes? an_roll_laugh Saw this earlier and I wouldn't be surprised if the Brewers win even though I'm not betting it. The first 5 odds (on 5Dimes) are also higher for Milwaukee hinting that Nelson SHOULD outperform Rourke in the F5 innings.. 

    Full game:

    Brew Crew: -128

    F5: -138

    Reds F5 team total odds: O2.5 (+115) U2.5 (-135)

    Brew Crew F5 TT odds: O2.5 (-120) U2.5 (+100)

    All of us experienced bettors know, when garbage doesn't make sense, go against the obvious even though you won't like it. an_light It's usually these types of bets that win 6 outta 10 times... Then again, this COULD be one of those 4 outta 10 times.. an_eek2an_lightening

    Hence, no bet for me on this game.. an_shake


    Jimmy "F'n" Nelson...

    He of the 10.29 ERA this season...

    The 2.14 WHIP this season...

    The two outings this year...vs S.F. and Miami...9 hits...9 runs/8 earned...

    Yes, that Jimmy...certainly he should crush the Reds...

    Certainly...
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2019 - 1:12 PM ET #9

    Tanner Roark has been known to get his tits lit. Just ask Keith Hernandez.

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    Tanner Roark has been known to get his tits lit. Just ask Keith Hernandez.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2019 - 1:30 PM ET #10

    Hundreds of billions of dollars in gigantic palaces and "Vegas" is stupid? Uh-huh. Yeah, right. They are balancing the books boys, and 56% of the public is willing to lay the juice with the Brewers. "Vegas" doesn't give a crap what the Covers MLB Forum thinks. 


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    Hundreds of billions of dollars in gigantic palaces and "Vegas" is stupid? Uh-huh. Yeah, right. They are balancing the books boys, and 56% of the public is willing to lay the juice with the Brewers. "Vegas" doesn't give a crap what the Covers MLB Forum thinks. 


     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2019 - 2:03 PM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    It's my theory that guys that say "Vegas" will forever be losers. Who is this guy, Vegas? Is he the character from Street Fighter?

    The earliest lines often aren't out of Vegas. Most guys on this site are not wagering in Vegas. Sports gambling in general is such a small fraction of a casino's take, and a micron of Vegas' industry on a whole, a town now funded by tourism and conventions. So why is there alway a million jokers in here..."Vegas this....Vegas that.... Vegas ain't letting that happen....you think you outsmarted Vegas?!!"

    F*ck Vegas. You sound like an idiot everytime you say it. And this rant isn't directed at you, manny, as much as it is the masses.

    The problem with this site Stu is that most of the geniuses think of the books as gamblers, like themselves. No smart bookie is a gambler, he is broker, and losers provide the money for the winners. But, Oh-NO, not on Covers. It is important for the bookie to set "trap" lines so that he beats YOU, personally.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    It's my theory that guys that say "Vegas" will forever be losers. Who is this guy, Vegas? Is he the character from Street Fighter?

    The earliest lines often aren't out of Vegas. Most guys on this site are not wagering in Vegas. Sports gambling in general is such a small fraction of a casino's take, and a micron of Vegas' industry on a whole, a town now funded by tourism and conventions. So why is there alway a million jokers in here..."Vegas this....Vegas that.... Vegas ain't letting that happen....you think you outsmarted Vegas?!!"

    F*ck Vegas. You sound like an idiot everytime you say it. And this rant isn't directed at you, manny, as much as it is the masses.

    The problem with this site Stu is that most of the geniuses think of the books as gamblers, like themselves. No smart bookie is a gambler, he is broker, and losers provide the money for the winners. But, Oh-NO, not on Covers. It is important for the bookie to set "trap" lines so that he beats YOU, personally.
     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2019 - 2:31 PM ET #12

    Brewers/Cubs/Rox are different team at home than on road.

    Don't let the road losses and slump fool you when they are playing at home. 

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    Brewers/Cubs/Rox are different team at home than on road.

    Don't let the road losses and slump fool you when they are playing at home. 

     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2019 - 8:23 PM ET #13

    PM for the skinny on the down low
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2019 - 8:34 PM ET #14

    Lol smack

    On it as well 
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    Lol smack

    On it as well 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2019 - 8:39 PM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by KeyElement:

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    It's my theory that guys that say "Vegas" will forever be losers. Who is this guy, Vegas? Is he the character from Street Fighter? The earliest lines often aren't out of Vegas. Most guys on this site are not wagering in Vegas. Sports gambling in general is such a small fraction of a casino's take, and a micron of Vegas' industry on a whole, a town now funded by tourism and conventions. So why is there alway a million jokers in here..."Vegas this....Vegas that.... Vegas ain't letting that happen....you think you outsmarted Vegas?!!" F*ck Vegas. You sound like an idiot everytime you say it. And this rant isn't directed at you, manny, as much as it is the masses.
    The problem with this site Stu is that most of the geniuses think of the books as gamblers, like themselves. No smart bookie is a gambler, he is broker, and losers provide the money for the winners. But, Oh-NO, not on Covers. It is important for the bookie to set "trap" lines so that he beats YOU, personally.

    One of the most basic aspects of sports books that so few understand. A book's aim is to have even action on either side of a wager. They aren't exposing themselves to the chance of a loss. They take the juice and keep it moving. I learned this in like junior high yet there are grown men, so called experts that fail to grasp this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KeyElement:

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    It's my theory that guys that say "Vegas" will forever be losers. Who is this guy, Vegas? Is he the character from Street Fighter? The earliest lines often aren't out of Vegas. Most guys on this site are not wagering in Vegas. Sports gambling in general is such a small fraction of a casino's take, and a micron of Vegas' industry on a whole, a town now funded by tourism and conventions. So why is there alway a million jokers in here..."Vegas this....Vegas that.... Vegas ain't letting that happen....you think you outsmarted Vegas?!!" F*ck Vegas. You sound like an idiot everytime you say it. And this rant isn't directed at you, manny, as much as it is the masses.
    The problem with this site Stu is that most of the geniuses think of the books as gamblers, like themselves. No smart bookie is a gambler, he is broker, and losers provide the money for the winners. But, Oh-NO, not on Covers. It is important for the bookie to set "trap" lines so that he beats YOU, personally.

    One of the most basic aspects of sports books that so few understand. A book's aim is to have even action on either side of a wager. They aren't exposing themselves to the chance of a loss. They take the juice and keep it moving. I learned this in like junior high yet there are grown men, so called experts that fail to grasp this.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeyElement:

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    It's my theory that guys that say "Vegas" will forever be losers. Who is this guy, Vegas? Is he the character from Street Fighter? The earliest lines often aren't out of Vegas. Most guys on this site are not wagering in Vegas. Sports gambling in general is such a small fraction of a casino's take, and a micron of Vegas' industry on a whole, a town now funded by tourism and conventions. So why is there alway a million jokers in here..."Vegas this....Vegas that.... Vegas ain't letting that happen....you think you outsmarted Vegas?!!" F*ck Vegas. You sound like an idiot everytime you say it. And this rant isn't directed at you, manny, as much as it is the masses.
    The problem with this site Stu is that most of the geniuses think of the books as gamblers, like themselves. No smart bookie is a gambler, he is broker, and losers provide the money for the winners. But, Oh-NO, not on Covers. It is important for the bookie to set "trap" lines so that he beats YOU, personally.
    One of the most basic aspects of sports books that so few understand. A book's aim is to have even action on either side of a wager. They aren't exposing themselves to the chance of a loss. They take the juice and keep it moving. I learned this in like junior high yet there are grown men, so called experts that fail to grasp this.

     

    I disagree, Stumpy. Books are greedy and will trap you anyway they can. Some games they beg for lop-sided action to lure in the squares for their pay day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    It's my theory that guys that say "Vegas" will forever be losers. Who is this guy, Vegas? Is he the character from Street Fighter? The earliest lines often aren't out of Vegas. Most guys on this site are not wagering in Vegas. Sports gambling in general is such a small fraction of a casino's take, and a micron of Vegas' industry on a whole, a town now funded by tourism and conventions. So why is there alway a million jokers in here..."Vegas this....Vegas that.... Vegas ain't letting that happen....you think you outsmarted Vegas?!!" F*ck Vegas. You sound like an idiot everytime you say it. And this rant isn't directed at you, manny, as much as it is the masses.
    The problem with this site Stu is that most of the geniuses think of the books as gamblers, like themselves. No smart bookie is a gambler, he is broker, and losers provide the money for the winners. But, Oh-NO, not on Covers. It is important for the bookie to set "trap" lines so that he beats YOU, personally.
    One of the most basic aspects of sports books that so few understand. A book's aim is to have even action on either side of a wager. They aren't exposing themselves to the chance of a loss. They take the juice and keep it moving. I learned this in like junior high yet there are grown men, so called experts that fail to grasp this.

     

    I disagree, Stumpy. Books are greedy and will trap you anyway they can. Some games they beg for lop-sided action to lure in the squares for their pay day.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeyElement:

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    It's my theory that guys that say "Vegas" will forever be losers. Who is this guy, Vegas? Is he the character from Street Fighter? The earliest lines often aren't out of Vegas. Most guys on this site are not wagering in Vegas. Sports gambling in general is such a small fraction of a casino's take, and a micron of Vegas' industry on a whole, a town now funded by tourism and conventions. So why is there alway a million jokers in here..."Vegas this....Vegas that.... Vegas ain't letting that happen....you think you outsmarted Vegas?!!" F*ck Vegas. You sound like an idiot everytime you say it. And this rant isn't directed at you, manny, as much as it is the masses.
    The problem with this site Stu is that most of the geniuses think of the books as gamblers, like themselves. No smart bookie is a gambler, he is broker, and losers provide the money for the winners. But, Oh-NO, not on Covers. It is important for the bookie to set "trap" lines so that he beats YOU, personally.

     

    Think outside the box for once! I disagree with your assessment also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    It's my theory that guys that say "Vegas" will forever be losers. Who is this guy, Vegas? Is he the character from Street Fighter? The earliest lines often aren't out of Vegas. Most guys on this site are not wagering in Vegas. Sports gambling in general is such a small fraction of a casino's take, and a micron of Vegas' industry on a whole, a town now funded by tourism and conventions. So why is there alway a million jokers in here..."Vegas this....Vegas that.... Vegas ain't letting that happen....you think you outsmarted Vegas?!!" F*ck Vegas. You sound like an idiot everytime you say it. And this rant isn't directed at you, manny, as much as it is the masses.
    The problem with this site Stu is that most of the geniuses think of the books as gamblers, like themselves. No smart bookie is a gambler, he is broker, and losers provide the money for the winners. But, Oh-NO, not on Covers. It is important for the bookie to set "trap" lines so that he beats YOU, personally.

     

    Think outside the box for once! I disagree with your assessment also.

     
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    Tanner Rourke is a DOG vs Jimmy Nelson in Milwaukee...????My book has Milwaukee -135 vs -125 for Cincy...I must be missing something here...

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    Tanner Rourke is a DOG vs Jimmy Nelson in Milwaukee...????My book has Milwaukee -135 vs -125 for Cincy...I must be missing something here...

    great find their smack moneybag

    all the(old)  haters out again (key) smack you keep making your picks and making money while others here lose and lose on on etc...

     
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    Found another one...Chicago White Sox/Texas....Lopez/Jurado

    Both of these pitchers can start a fire...but the books have Jurado as a -138 this morning...

    C'mon now  ...are you kidding me?...


    Jurado and Texas with their lineup injuries should not be favored at -138 here...at best this is a PUSH game...

    Strong over probability at 11.5 O/U... surprised it isn't higher...


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    Found another one...Chicago White Sox/Texas....Lopez/Jurado

    Both of these pitchers can start a fire...but the books have Jurado as a -138 this morning...

    C'mon now  ...are you kidding me?...


    Jurado and Texas with their lineup injuries should not be favored at -138 here...at best this is a PUSH game...

    Strong over probability at 11.5 O/U... surprised it isn't higher...


     
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    Still tracking it and will be working on it as the season progresses....

    Various factors prompted me to shut down the posts on it for now....

    When it returns, it will be tracking units and not just win/losses....

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    Still tracking it and will be working on it as the season progresses....

    Various factors prompted me to shut down the posts on it for now....

    When it returns, it will be tracking units and not just win/losses....

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpot34:

    Quote Originally Posted by KeyElement:

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    It's my theory that guys that say "Vegas" will forever be losers. Who is this guy, Vegas? Is he the character from Street Fighter? The earliest lines often aren't out of Vegas. Most guys on this site are not wagering in Vegas. Sports gambling in general is such a small fraction of a casino's take, and a micron of Vegas' industry on a whole, a town now funded by tourism and conventions. So why is there alway a million jokers in here..."Vegas this....Vegas that.... Vegas ain't letting that happen....you think you outsmarted Vegas?!!" F*ck Vegas. You sound like an idiot everytime you say it. And this rant isn't directed at you, manny, as much as it is the masses.
    The problem with this site Stu is that most of the geniuses think of the books as gamblers, like themselves. No smart bookie is a gambler, he is broker, and losers provide the money for the winners. But, Oh-NO, not on Covers. It is important for the bookie to set "trap" lines so that he beats YOU, personally.
      Think outside the box for once! I disagree with your assessment also.

    What is there to disagree with. Simply saying you disagree with something without specifying and countering is pointless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KeyElement:

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    It's my theory that guys that say "Vegas" will forever be losers. Who is this guy, Vegas? Is he the character from Street Fighter? The earliest lines often aren't out of Vegas. Most guys on this site are not wagering in Vegas. Sports gambling in general is such a small fraction of a casino's take, and a micron of Vegas' industry on a whole, a town now funded by tourism and conventions. So why is there alway a million jokers in here..."Vegas this....Vegas that.... Vegas ain't letting that happen....you think you outsmarted Vegas?!!" F*ck Vegas. You sound like an idiot everytime you say it. And this rant isn't directed at you, manny, as much as it is the masses.
    The problem with this site Stu is that most of the geniuses think of the books as gamblers, like themselves. No smart bookie is a gambler, he is broker, and losers provide the money for the winners. But, Oh-NO, not on Covers. It is important for the bookie to set "trap" lines so that he beats YOU, personally.
      Think outside the box for once! I disagree with your assessment also.

    What is there to disagree with. Simply saying you disagree with something without specifying and countering is pointless.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpot34:

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Quote Originally Posted by KeyElement:

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    It's my theory that guys that say "Vegas" will forever be losers. Who is this guy, Vegas? Is he the character from Street Fighter? The earliest lines often aren't out of Vegas. Most guys on this site are not wagering in Vegas. Sports gambling in general is such a small fraction of a casino's take, and a micron of Vegas' industry on a whole, a town now funded by tourism and conventions. So why is there alway a million jokers in here..."Vegas this....Vegas that.... Vegas ain't letting that happen....you think you outsmarted Vegas?!!" F*ck Vegas. You sound like an idiot everytime you say it. And this rant isn't directed at you, manny, as much as it is the masses.
    The problem with this site Stu is that most of the geniuses think of the books as gamblers, like themselves. No smart bookie is a gambler, he is broker, and losers provide the money for the winners. But, Oh-NO, not on Covers. It is important for the bookie to set "trap" lines so that he beats YOU, personally.
    One of the most basic aspects of sports books that so few understand. A book's aim is to have even action on either side of a wager. They aren't exposing themselves to the chance of a loss. They take the juice and keep it moving. I learned this in like junior high yet there are grown men, so called experts that fail to grasp this.
      I disagree, Stumpy. Books are greedy and will trap you anyway they can. Some games they beg for lop-sided action to lure in the squares for their pay day.

    You're wrong. The whole concept of a "trap line" disproves itself. I've explained this many times. The book puts out a line that many in the general public thinks id off. They think it's trying to "lure" them to one side. The side they were ttying to "lure" them away from covers. People think this proves it was a trap. It doesn't. It proves that no matter how uneven the general public thought a match-up was, the books were telling you the two teams were actually pretty close and giving you an honest number to reflect it. A trap line would be line exactly where the general public expects it to be, or even higher. Charging -200 and higher for a team they know will lose would be more of a trap. Yet nobody refers to these as trap lines. Books will do some sneaky things with reverse line movement, ect. but this is just an attempt to even out extremely lopsided action and almost always done in panic scenarios.

    Key said it best. Gamblers assume books think like gamblers thrmselves. They think they're gambling against you. Gamblers lose. Why would they think like gamblers? No, they do think like brokers. They provide a service and charge a fee. It's the slow, steady, sure money that makes you rich. Go ask Warren Buffet. Low risk, low reward. You always profit and you minimize exposure. This is how books are run. These are not my opinions. It's not debatable. These are facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Quote Originally Posted by KeyElement:

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    It's my theory that guys that say "Vegas" will forever be losers. Who is this guy, Vegas? Is he the character from Street Fighter? The earliest lines often aren't out of Vegas. Most guys on this site are not wagering in Vegas. Sports gambling in general is such a small fraction of a casino's take, and a micron of Vegas' industry on a whole, a town now funded by tourism and conventions. So why is there alway a million jokers in here..."Vegas this....Vegas that.... Vegas ain't letting that happen....you think you outsmarted Vegas?!!" F*ck Vegas. You sound like an idiot everytime you say it. And this rant isn't directed at you, manny, as much as it is the masses.
    The problem with this site Stu is that most of the geniuses think of the books as gamblers, like themselves. No smart bookie is a gambler, he is broker, and losers provide the money for the winners. But, Oh-NO, not on Covers. It is important for the bookie to set "trap" lines so that he beats YOU, personally.
    One of the most basic aspects of sports books that so few understand. A book's aim is to have even action on either side of a wager. They aren't exposing themselves to the chance of a loss. They take the juice and keep it moving. I learned this in like junior high yet there are grown men, so called experts that fail to grasp this.
      I disagree, Stumpy. Books are greedy and will trap you anyway they can. Some games they beg for lop-sided action to lure in the squares for their pay day.

    You're wrong. The whole concept of a "trap line" disproves itself. I've explained this many times. The book puts out a line that many in the general public thinks id off. They think it's trying to "lure" them to one side. The side they were ttying to "lure" them away from covers. People think this proves it was a trap. It doesn't. It proves that no matter how uneven the general public thought a match-up was, the books were telling you the two teams were actually pretty close and giving you an honest number to reflect it. A trap line would be line exactly where the general public expects it to be, or even higher. Charging -200 and higher for a team they know will lose would be more of a trap. Yet nobody refers to these as trap lines. Books will do some sneaky things with reverse line movement, ect. but this is just an attempt to even out extremely lopsided action and almost always done in panic scenarios.

    Key said it best. Gamblers assume books think like gamblers thrmselves. They think they're gambling against you. Gamblers lose. Why would they think like gamblers? No, they do think like brokers. They provide a service and charge a fee. It's the slow, steady, sure money that makes you rich. Go ask Warren Buffet. Low risk, low reward. You always profit and you minimize exposure. This is how books are run. These are not my opinions. It's not debatable. These are facts.

     
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    To put it in Layman's terms for the uninitiated.

    If i'm a book, and I have 50 people bet $110 @ -110 on one side of a wager, and another 50 people bet $110 @ -110 on the other side, then the losers pay the winners and I walk with my $500 with zero risk. And I can do this over and over again, with no risk, and it's like printing money. I'm not gambling. I'm providing a service and charging a service fee. That' what the juice is. It's a service fee. This is why it even exists.

    Now ponder that i'm that same book and I want to push people towards one side of a wager. Now instead of 50/50, it's 80/20. Now i'm gambling on factors I have no control over. I'm exposing myself to loss. And that makes no sense.

    Again, these aren't my opinions. I have no opinions about this stuff, as it is inconsequential to me. These are just the facts.

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    To put it in Layman's terms for the uninitiated.

    If i'm a book, and I have 50 people bet $110 @ -110 on one side of a wager, and another 50 people bet $110 @ -110 on the other side, then the losers pay the winners and I walk with my $500 with zero risk. And I can do this over and over again, with no risk, and it's like printing money. I'm not gambling. I'm providing a service and charging a service fee. That' what the juice is. It's a service fee. This is why it even exists.

    Now ponder that i'm that same book and I want to push people towards one side of a wager. Now instead of 50/50, it's 80/20. Now i'm gambling on factors I have no control over. I'm exposing myself to loss. And that makes no sense.

    Again, these aren't my opinions. I have no opinions about this stuff, as it is inconsequential to me. These are just the facts.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    To put it in Layman's terms for the uninitiated.

    If i'm a book, and I have 50 people bet $110 @ -110 on one side of a wager, and another 50 people bet $110 @ -110 on the other side, then the losers pay the winners and I walk with my $500 with zero risk. And I can do this over and over again, with no risk, and it's like printing money. I'm not gambling. I'm providing a service and charging a service fee. That' what the juice is. It's a service fee. This is why it even exists.

    Now ponder that i'm that same book and I want to push people towards one side of a wager. Now instead of 50/50, it's 80/20. Now i'm gambling on factors I have no control over. I'm exposing myself to loss. And that makes no sense.

    Again, these aren't my opinions. I have no opinions about this stuff, as it is inconsequential to me. These are just the facts.





    A Bookmaker does not do this is because they are
    not capable of accurately determining the Win
    Probability of any number that they post at this time.
    When they develop this capability , the betting public's ability to
    profit at Sports Betting will become a lot more difficult.
    That is a fact.

    Sharp bettors are ahead of Bookmakers in this capability.

    Bookmakers are constantly striving to fix that.
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    To put it in Layman's terms for the uninitiated.

    If i'm a book, and I have 50 people bet $110 @ -110 on one side of a wager, and another 50 people bet $110 @ -110 on the other side, then the losers pay the winners and I walk with my $500 with zero risk. And I can do this over and over again, with no risk, and it's like printing money. I'm not gambling. I'm providing a service and charging a service fee. That' what the juice is. It's a service fee. This is why it even exists.

    Now ponder that i'm that same book and I want to push people towards one side of a wager. Now instead of 50/50, it's 80/20. Now i'm gambling on factors I have no control over. I'm exposing myself to loss. And that makes no sense.

    Again, these aren't my opinions. I have no opinions about this stuff, as it is inconsequential to me. These are just the facts.





    A Bookmaker does not do this is because they are
    not capable of accurately determining the Win
    Probability of any number that they post at this time.
    When they develop this capability , the betting public's ability to
    profit at Sports Betting will become a lot more difficult.
    That is a fact.

    Sharp bettors are ahead of Bookmakers in this capability.

    Bookmakers are constantly striving to fix that.
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    To put it in Layman's terms for the uninitiated.

    If i'm a book, and I have 50 people bet $110 @ -110 on one side of a wager, and another 50 people bet $110 @ -110 on the other side, then the losers pay the winners and I walk with my $500 with zero risk. And I can do this over and over again, with no risk, and it's like printing money. I'm not gambling. I'm providing a service and charging a service fee. That' what the juice is. It's a service fee. This is why it even exists.

    Now ponder that i'm that same book and I want to push people towards one side of a wager. Now instead of 50/50, it's 80/20. Now i'm gambling on factors I have no control over. I'm exposing myself to loss. And that makes no sense.

    Again, these aren't my opinions. I have no opinions about this stuff, as it is inconsequential to me. These are just the facts.


    I think the view of the bookies only/main goal is to balance action is wrong. Let me give you two reasons why I think this:

    - Sportsbooks are a business. The goal of a business is to maximize profit not to minimize risk. Oddsmakers have much more power than your typical bettor: faster computers, algorithms, experience, and even inside knowledge. You think they would have all this advantage go to waste and settle merely for a 2.4% commission (which is what a ten cent line provides for the books)?

    - If all sportsbooks balanced their action, you would see different lines for books in California than those in New York. You'd expect a much higher percentage of people betting on the Yankees in the east coast as supposed to the west. Yet, the lines are often identical. If books balanced their action, this would create hedging opportunities where the hedger would pit the books against themselves. Do you think the books would want that?
     
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    To put it in Layman's terms for the uninitiated.

    If i'm a book, and I have 50 people bet $110 @ -110 on one side of a wager, and another 50 people bet $110 @ -110 on the other side, then the losers pay the winners and I walk with my $500 with zero risk. And I can do this over and over again, with no risk, and it's like printing money. I'm not gambling. I'm providing a service and charging a service fee. That' what the juice is. It's a service fee. This is why it even exists.

    Now ponder that i'm that same book and I want to push people towards one side of a wager. Now instead of 50/50, it's 80/20. Now i'm gambling on factors I have no control over. I'm exposing myself to loss. And that makes no sense.

    Again, these aren't my opinions. I have no opinions about this stuff, as it is inconsequential to me. These are just the facts.


    I think the view of the bookies only/main goal is to balance action is wrong. Let me give you two reasons why I think this:

    - Sportsbooks are a business. The goal of a business is to maximize profit not to minimize risk. Oddsmakers have much more power than your typical bettor: faster computers, algorithms, experience, and even inside knowledge. You think they would have all this advantage go to waste and settle merely for a 2.4% commission (which is what a ten cent line provides for the books)?

    - If all sportsbooks balanced their action, you would see different lines for books in California than those in New York. You'd expect a much higher percentage of people betting on the Yankees in the east coast as supposed to the west. Yet, the lines are often identical. If books balanced their action, this would create hedging opportunities where the hedger would pit the books against themselves. Do you think the books would want that?
     
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