Laying 20 or 30 large on a few games a year may work for a season or two but never long term.......somewhere somehow you'll get f u c k e d. Just one of these loses can be devastating to your bankroll and your psyche . Remember the Seattle green bay debacle ............yup I do. Had a 20k swing on that loss......still pisses me off when I think about that ending. What a farce.
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Laying 20 or 30 large on a few games a year may work for a season or two but never long term.......somewhere somehow you'll get f u c k e d. Just one of these loses can be devastating to your bankroll and your psyche . Remember the Seattle green bay debacle ............yup I do. Had a 20k swing on that loss......still pisses me off when I think about that ending. What a farce.
just a season of NCAA basketball point spread will make your hair go grey or bold...
No s h I t..........college kids will do some of the dumbest s h I t at the worst time , resulting in laughter or utter disbelief as you watch it unfold on sat afternoon
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Quote Originally Posted by CHANGCHANG:
just a season of NCAA basketball point spread will make your hair go grey or bold...
No s h I t..........college kids will do some of the dumbest s h I t at the worst time , resulting in laughter or utter disbelief as you watch it unfold on sat afternoon
Someone asked me the other day what is the greatest reward I get from wagering year after year.........all the stress and hard work that it entails. The answer that trumps everything is this..........THE PURE ULTIMATE EXILLERATING SATISFACTION OF KNOWING I TOOK MY BOOKS MONEY. not the money itself but the fact that I now have THEIR money
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Someone asked me the other day what is the greatest reward I get from wagering year after year.........all the stress and hard work that it entails. The answer that trumps everything is this..........THE PURE ULTIMATE EXILLERATING SATISFACTION OF KNOWING I TOOK MY BOOKS MONEY. not the money itself but the fact that I now have THEIR money
The books don't sweat it when squares win because they will inevitably give it all back and then some. Sharps however don't give it back......!! In case you ever wondered what truly is the diff between a square and a sharp, that's it in a nutshell . Ask any bookmaker alive.......that's what he'll say.
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The books don't sweat it when squares win because they will inevitably give it all back and then some. Sharps however don't give it back......!! In case you ever wondered what truly is the diff between a square and a sharp, that's it in a nutshell . Ask any bookmaker alive.......that's what he'll say.
Not giving it back......!sounds so simple a task but really, its the single most difficult behavior to manage. Master this discipline and you ll be on your way to riches .
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Not giving it back......!sounds so simple a task but really, its the single most difficult behavior to manage. Master this discipline and you ll be on your way to riches .
I don't do this for a living. I been around a long time. No stories here, but I will admit I've learned the hard way.
Yes, this can be lucrative, no, it will not last. A very good friend of mine is a reputable local book. Basically, discipline wins. Guys like key and actuary are disciplined, but they don't fluctuate their bets enough. Too calculated in my opinion ( no disrespect intended). He's told me many times he lives off the daily guys, but just hopes the percentages work out with the few big discipline bettors.
You get rich in big windfalls, not your day job. Most rich folk got their money from underground or illegal measure somewhere down the line. Take a look at Steve Wynn and Donald Trump.
I prefer using Vegas books or locals over online. I used to use sports book dot com, but they changed how they paid out. It was miserable. I got a check my bank wouldn't take. Changed banks. Then, they started sending cards which with fees increased the big by double or triple.
There are good books out there, but many offshore shut folks off.
I know one person that legit played for a living and there was no budgeting allowed because income wasn't steady.
My advice, don't quit your day job. Stay discipline and don't be scared to press a little when you're hot. Now that I'm older and seen the down side, I simply play for entertainment. On a good week I live well. On a bad week, I don't go over my initial allotment and it don't sting so bad.
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I don't do this for a living. I been around a long time. No stories here, but I will admit I've learned the hard way.
Yes, this can be lucrative, no, it will not last. A very good friend of mine is a reputable local book. Basically, discipline wins. Guys like key and actuary are disciplined, but they don't fluctuate their bets enough. Too calculated in my opinion ( no disrespect intended). He's told me many times he lives off the daily guys, but just hopes the percentages work out with the few big discipline bettors.
You get rich in big windfalls, not your day job. Most rich folk got their money from underground or illegal measure somewhere down the line. Take a look at Steve Wynn and Donald Trump.
I prefer using Vegas books or locals over online. I used to use sports book dot com, but they changed how they paid out. It was miserable. I got a check my bank wouldn't take. Changed banks. Then, they started sending cards which with fees increased the big by double or triple.
There are good books out there, but many offshore shut folks off.
I know one person that legit played for a living and there was no budgeting allowed because income wasn't steady.
My advice, don't quit your day job. Stay discipline and don't be scared to press a little when you're hot. Now that I'm older and seen the down side, I simply play for entertainment. On a good week I live well. On a bad week, I don't go over my initial allotment and it don't sting so bad.
You probably aint rich because you don´t have no money, BUT YES, there´s lot´s of people who makes a living out of this, including me myself, who´s alway´s searching for the right games to lay 20 or 30 grand on ONE game , is just that the secret to this is to not gamble everyday, because the game will beat you in the long run....But if you are smart and patient and you place your bet on the right game... you my brother can make lots, of money in this buisness....but if you are just betting 50 or 100 dollars on parlays, you aint going nowhere....you must have a good chunk of money in order to really make money out of this.....Hope that this answers your question !!!!! LAY BIG CHUNKS OF MONEY, ON SINGLE GAMES....
My $100 parlay is going to payout a lot more than the 20 grand you win on a single game. Then you can work up to betting 20k on certain games like you said.
Without a huge bankroll, you aren't going anywhere with straight bets.
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Quote Originally Posted by joepecsi:
You probably aint rich because you don´t have no money, BUT YES, there´s lot´s of people who makes a living out of this, including me myself, who´s alway´s searching for the right games to lay 20 or 30 grand on ONE game , is just that the secret to this is to not gamble everyday, because the game will beat you in the long run....But if you are smart and patient and you place your bet on the right game... you my brother can make lots, of money in this buisness....but if you are just betting 50 or 100 dollars on parlays, you aint going nowhere....you must have a good chunk of money in order to really make money out of this.....Hope that this answers your question !!!!! LAY BIG CHUNKS OF MONEY, ON SINGLE GAMES....
My $100 parlay is going to payout a lot more than the 20 grand you win on a single game. Then you can work up to betting 20k on certain games like you said.
Without a huge bankroll, you aren't going anywhere with straight bets.
sharps eventually give back the money too..dont fool yourself noone has the sports almanac from back to the future...the only guy i know that was a guaranteed winner was a guy i knew that was related to a mob boss...he use to bet crazy with books if he win he collect if he loss he cried to his uncle the mob boss and he got him off every time
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sharps eventually give back the money too..dont fool yourself noone has the sports almanac from back to the future...the only guy i know that was a guaranteed winner was a guy i knew that was related to a mob boss...he use to bet crazy with books if he win he collect if he loss he cried to his uncle the mob boss and he got him off every time
sharps eventually give back the money too..dont fool yourself noone has the sports almanac from back to the future...the only guy i know that was a guaranteed winner was a guy i knew that was related to a mob boss...he use to bet crazy with books if he win he collect if he loss he cried to his uncle the mob boss and he got him off every time
Of course they give back money too, just not at the same rate or percentage of a square. I'm talking in a broad sense, sharps don't give it back easily ........ Much higher earnings retention.
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Quote Originally Posted by mikebdb:
sharps eventually give back the money too..dont fool yourself noone has the sports almanac from back to the future...the only guy i know that was a guaranteed winner was a guy i knew that was related to a mob boss...he use to bet crazy with books if he win he collect if he loss he cried to his uncle the mob boss and he got him off every time
Of course they give back money too, just not at the same rate or percentage of a square. I'm talking in a broad sense, sharps don't give it back easily ........ Much higher earnings retention.
I do well enough to ride around in a 2015 Corvette and have a hi-maintenance Hott Blonde Girlfriend on my arm,not the mention the benefits of that.I'm very happy.
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I do well enough to ride around in a 2015 Corvette and have a hi-maintenance Hott Blonde Girlfriend on my arm,not the mention the benefits of that.I'm very happy.
You are far too intelligent and respectable to hang out here.
Leave immediately.
This is the land of the 100K bet, corvettes and hot girlfriends.
I have 2-3 angles that have paid off over the years. They hit close to 60%, the problem is, they occur so rarely that it is hard to make any real money off of them.
I am a degenerate. I will spread and bet 10 games a day for entertainment. I do have a real job though that pays decent enough.
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Lakersz-
You are far too intelligent and respectable to hang out here.
Leave immediately.
This is the land of the 100K bet, corvettes and hot girlfriends.
I have 2-3 angles that have paid off over the years. They hit close to 60%, the problem is, they occur so rarely that it is hard to make any real money off of them.
I am a degenerate. I will spread and bet 10 games a day for entertainment. I do have a real job though that pays decent enough.
I have 2-3 angles that have paid off over the years. They hit close to 60%, the problem is, they occur so rarely that it is hard to make any real money off of them.
I am a degenerate. I will spread and bet 10 games a day for entertainment. I do have a real job though that pays decent enough.
There are degenerates, and then there are degenerates. Like yourself, I always like to have action on a game I know I will be watching. Often I'll also have a few bets on games I know I won't be watching. I do feel sorry for those who never learned the discipline to blow through their entire life savings trying to chase losses and all that. That is a problem. For me, I worked hard for 15+ years to build up my current wealth, I just could not imagine burning through it all on any form of gambling. It is like climbing a mountain, takes so much work and effort and discipline to get to the peak, and then so easy just to jump off and fall splat to the ground. Sort of like investing in stocks, more often than not they take the stairs up and then the elevator down.
In any case, you hit on the main thing to do this for a living. One does indeed have to pick their spots, and that alone take a lot of willpower, as most of us like having action ongoing at least every other day. And as far as how much bank roll to commit to each bet, I would guess the strategy depends on which sport one is betting? Baseball seems to be by far the sport that is most influenced by random lucky bounces from day to day. I could not imagine somebody committing 5% or more of their bank roll on just one baseball game, because out of all the sports it is too easy to go through one of those 0 for 10 (or worse) stretches no matter how carefully one caps. So even assuming one is not chasing losses by increasing the bet from 5% to 10% to 15%, etc, a bad stretch in baseball has one's bank roll cut in half.
So assuming one decides to turn pro and move to Vegas (along with opening a few offshore accounts), I would guess the more concentrated bets would be on certain football, basketball, or maybe soccer. That leaves a big whole during summer, where one would have to have the will power to lay off the big betting. I can imagine that would be tough, especially if that pro finds themselves having a rough go of it Jan - Jun and feels the pressure to have a really good 2nd half of the year. A pro would have to have the discipline to accept a year (or 2 or 3) of subpar returns in hopes it will average out over time with those years where they clean up six figures easy.
Discipline, discipline, discipline. And not just smart and focused bank roll betting management but also even smarter and more focused lifestyle budgeting management to have the liquidity to get through a few years of sub par betting ROI. All in all, too much discipline for me. I'll just continue doing what I do, bet enough to get that 'bettors high' while watching a game but not so much as to jeopardize my financial future.
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Quote Originally Posted by Crashdavis565:
Lakersz-
I have 2-3 angles that have paid off over the years. They hit close to 60%, the problem is, they occur so rarely that it is hard to make any real money off of them.
I am a degenerate. I will spread and bet 10 games a day for entertainment. I do have a real job though that pays decent enough.
There are degenerates, and then there are degenerates. Like yourself, I always like to have action on a game I know I will be watching. Often I'll also have a few bets on games I know I won't be watching. I do feel sorry for those who never learned the discipline to blow through their entire life savings trying to chase losses and all that. That is a problem. For me, I worked hard for 15+ years to build up my current wealth, I just could not imagine burning through it all on any form of gambling. It is like climbing a mountain, takes so much work and effort and discipline to get to the peak, and then so easy just to jump off and fall splat to the ground. Sort of like investing in stocks, more often than not they take the stairs up and then the elevator down.
In any case, you hit on the main thing to do this for a living. One does indeed have to pick their spots, and that alone take a lot of willpower, as most of us like having action ongoing at least every other day. And as far as how much bank roll to commit to each bet, I would guess the strategy depends on which sport one is betting? Baseball seems to be by far the sport that is most influenced by random lucky bounces from day to day. I could not imagine somebody committing 5% or more of their bank roll on just one baseball game, because out of all the sports it is too easy to go through one of those 0 for 10 (or worse) stretches no matter how carefully one caps. So even assuming one is not chasing losses by increasing the bet from 5% to 10% to 15%, etc, a bad stretch in baseball has one's bank roll cut in half.
So assuming one decides to turn pro and move to Vegas (along with opening a few offshore accounts), I would guess the more concentrated bets would be on certain football, basketball, or maybe soccer. That leaves a big whole during summer, where one would have to have the will power to lay off the big betting. I can imagine that would be tough, especially if that pro finds themselves having a rough go of it Jan - Jun and feels the pressure to have a really good 2nd half of the year. A pro would have to have the discipline to accept a year (or 2 or 3) of subpar returns in hopes it will average out over time with those years where they clean up six figures easy.
Discipline, discipline, discipline. And not just smart and focused bank roll betting management but also even smarter and more focused lifestyle budgeting management to have the liquidity to get through a few years of sub par betting ROI. All in all, too much discipline for me. I'll just continue doing what I do, bet enough to get that 'bettors high' while watching a game but not so much as to jeopardize my financial future.
Yeah, if you're not willing to run 50 programs on 55 tabs in 10 windows with 3 pages of hand written incoherent notes and do 2 hours of research on a one game and have the discipline to make the decision to not bet on the game, this isn't for you unless you make a very few plays.
I just spent 2 hours researching the Twins/Yankees tomorrow almost non-stop. Finally come to a total. Come up with the Yanks winning by 1.53 and the total score being 8.51. Sure enough, the books got the o/u at 8.5 and the Yanks at -150-160 when I go to look, meaning I'm making a very small $100 manufactured -1 rl bet on the Yankees and that's it. If it's hits 55% of the time, it really ends up netting me $10 for 2 hours of nasty, hard research.
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Yeah, if you're not willing to run 50 programs on 55 tabs in 10 windows with 3 pages of hand written incoherent notes and do 2 hours of research on a one game and have the discipline to make the decision to not bet on the game, this isn't for you unless you make a very few plays.
I just spent 2 hours researching the Twins/Yankees tomorrow almost non-stop. Finally come to a total. Come up with the Yanks winning by 1.53 and the total score being 8.51. Sure enough, the books got the o/u at 8.5 and the Yanks at -150-160 when I go to look, meaning I'm making a very small $100 manufactured -1 rl bet on the Yankees and that's it. If it's hits 55% of the time, it really ends up netting me $10 for 2 hours of nasty, hard research.
The extra money helps alot with paying every day bills like car payments and satellite tv. Last year almost all my winnings went to home heating propane. It's my harsh reality. That's why I do frequent, smaller payouts .........I can't afford to do something stupid and give it all back.
As long as they pretend to pay me I will pretend to work
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The extra money helps alot with paying every day bills like car payments and satellite tv. Last year almost all my winnings went to home heating propane. It's my harsh reality. That's why I do frequent, smaller payouts .........I can't afford to do something stupid and give it all back.
LAY BIG CHUNKS OF MONEY, ON SINGLE GAMES....
I do feel sorry for those who never learned the discipline to blow through their entire life savings trying to chase losses and all that. That is a problem. For me, I worked hard for 15+ years to build up my current wealth, I just could not imagine burning through it all on any form of gambling. It is like climbing a mountain, takes so much work and effort and discipline to get to the peak, and then so easy just to jump off and fall splat to the ground. Sort of like investing in stocks, more often than not they take the stairs up and then the elevator down.
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