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    Thompson vs Hendricks recap

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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2016 - 2:57 AM ET #1

    Feel free to add your opinion. Written to have an understanding of why the fights came out the way they did. 

    Underdog wins (5 out of 12) * = one sided match ups 

    Stephen Thompson* +185 to +230
    Alex White*  +120
    Diego Rivas +250
    Mike Pyle +140
    Scoggins* +170 to +230

    favourite wins * = best ratio betting odds/win percentage

    Ovince -350
    Misha - 1000
    Derrick Lewis* -110
    Mike Gall -600
    Joseph -400
    Roy* -160
    Burkman - 150

    Breakdown brief overview

    Thompson vs Hendricks. Hendricks was in a tough spot, fighting a skilled striker and potentially losing his spot in rankings and audience. Didnt know what to do with Stephen once Stephen defended the take down solidly. When the first head kick landed Hendricks face changed. He realizes he is in desperation mode. Stephen is relaxed. 

    Summary - Hendricks entire ground game was eliminated. Stephen's take down defence was solid. Out performed on the feet, Hendricks confidence fell apart. Confidence already shaky from losing key fights (hendricks).



    Alex White vs Lobov. Alex fought well. Lobov really does not have diversity in his strikes. No takedown defence or BJJ. Bad cardio. He can hit somewhat hard (relative) but the way he gets his hits are not by skill and placement, no set up. Reach is small, no explosion from his jabs. He was a gimmick match up. 

    Summary - Gimmick match up. Overall bad fighter, above average punching power. Throws shots and hopes they hit. No set up. 



    Roy Nelson - Important match up for Roy. UFC as far as im concerned is his main income. He lost a few matches in a row. This loss may have sent him out of the division. He did not throw wild, avoiding takedowns. Stalked forward and for once coasted to decision. If this was not an important matchup Roy may have took more swings and pushed the pace. He didnt need to.

    Summary - Rosholt was cautious of Roy's hands. Roy coasted to decision by having better stand up. More calculated Roy as this loss may have him leaving ufc. 

    Lahat vs Rivas - Lahat head movement is not there. His reaction is somewhat slow. Instead of moving away of strikes and reingage Lahat stands relatively straight on when he should move. Two KO by flying knee. Chin is weak by the way he was reacted in first loss. Lahat may have won by decision but someone down the road was going to KO him. Bet should have been KO Rivas (decision no bet). Rivas showed good submission defence in him first fight, confident on ground. Rivas avoid strikes, better stand up. 

    Summary - Lahat has good wrestling. His stand up is not so good. He was fighting a person with good submission defence, above average. Striking of Rivas is solid, lacks explosion although his knee was explosive that day. Lahat weakness is his chin (knocked out cold twice, not halfway) has habit of not moving away from attacks, slow reflex. 

    Scoggins - Someone can write this if they want. I was flip flopping on Borg or Scoggins. Scoggins record is not so great last 4 fights. Still was siding for Scoggins. Something changed from last year?













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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    Feel free to add your opinion. Written to have an understanding of why the fights came out the way they did. 

    Underdog wins (5 out of 12) * = one sided match ups 

    Stephen Thompson* +185 to +230
    Alex White*  +120
    Diego Rivas +250
    Mike Pyle +140
    Scoggins* +170 to +230

    favourite wins * = best ratio betting odds/win percentage

    Ovince -350
    Misha - 1000
    Derrick Lewis* -110
    Mike Gall -600
    Joseph -400
    Roy* -160
    Burkman - 150

    Breakdown brief overview

    Thompson vs Hendricks. Hendricks was in a tough spot, fighting a skilled striker and potentially losing his spot in rankings and audience. Didnt know what to do with Stephen once Stephen defended the take down solidly. When the first head kick landed Hendricks face changed. He realizes he is in desperation mode. Stephen is relaxed. 

    Summary - Hendricks entire ground game was eliminated. Stephen's take down defence was solid. Out performed on the feet, Hendricks confidence fell apart. Confidence already shaky from losing key fights (hendricks).



    Alex White vs Lobov. Alex fought well. Lobov really does not have diversity in his strikes. No takedown defence or BJJ. Bad cardio. He can hit somewhat hard (relative) but the way he gets his hits are not by skill and placement, no set up. Reach is small, no explosion from his jabs. He was a gimmick match up. 

    Summary - Gimmick match up. Overall bad fighter, above average punching power. Throws shots and hopes they hit. No set up. 



    Roy Nelson - Important match up for Roy. UFC as far as im concerned is his main income. He lost a few matches in a row. This loss may have sent him out of the division. He did not throw wild, avoiding takedowns. Stalked forward and for once coasted to decision. If this was not an important matchup Roy may have took more swings and pushed the pace. He didnt need to.

    Summary - Rosholt was cautious of Roy's hands. Roy coasted to decision by having better stand up. More calculated Roy as this loss may have him leaving ufc. 

    Lahat vs Rivas - Lahat head movement is not there. His reaction is somewhat slow. Instead of moving away of strikes and reingage Lahat stands relatively straight on when he should move. Two KO by flying knee. Chin is weak by the way he was reacted in first loss. Lahat may have won by decision but someone down the road was going to KO him. Bet should have been KO Rivas (decision no bet). Rivas showed good submission defence in him first fight, confident on ground. Rivas avoid strikes, better stand up. 

    Summary - Lahat has good wrestling. His stand up is not so good. He was fighting a person with good submission defence, above average. Striking of Rivas is solid, lacks explosion although his knee was explosive that day. Lahat weakness is his chin (knocked out cold twice, not halfway) has habit of not moving away from attacks, slow reflex. 

    Scoggins - Someone can write this if they want. I was flip flopping on Borg or Scoggins. Scoggins record is not so great last 4 fights. Still was siding for Scoggins. Something changed from last year?













     
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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2016 - 3:15 AM ET #2

    Best hypothetical bet based on percent + money management 

    3 underdog bets - flat bet
    parlay all 3 - low bet 

    best 2 favourite parlay flat bet

    End up with 4 bets at +150 to +250 odds and one parlay at +2000 odds 


    Steph thompson +50 for 130 profit
    Alex White +50 for 110 profit
    Scoggin + 50 for 130 profit

    Above 3 parlay $5 for 150 profit

    Roy + Derrick Lewis 50 for 60 profit

    Optional Rivas KO (scorecard void bet) 20 for 80 

    Outcome without Rivas bet = $580 

    risked 205 

    Other overunders could be made although im not yet good at them. I see lots of potential. 






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    Best hypothetical bet based on percent + money management 

    3 underdog bets - flat bet
    parlay all 3 - low bet 

    best 2 favourite parlay flat bet

    End up with 4 bets at +150 to +250 odds and one parlay at +2000 odds 


    Steph thompson +50 for 130 profit
    Alex White +50 for 110 profit
    Scoggin + 50 for 130 profit

    Above 3 parlay $5 for 150 profit

    Roy + Derrick Lewis 50 for 60 profit

    Optional Rivas KO (scorecard void bet) 20 for 80 

    Outcome without Rivas bet = $580 

    risked 205 

    Other overunders could be made although im not yet good at them. I see lots of potential. 






     
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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2016 - 3:21 AM ET #3

    correction last post 

    Roy + Dennis 50 for 135 profit
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    correction last post 

    Roy + Dennis 50 for 135 profit
     
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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2016 - 3:28 AM ET #4

    The entire card will be bet. Any picks not listed above will be bet at a dollar to have action on the fight, avoiding any last minute bets. Will have prediction totalled just to have some value to those dollar bets. 

    Look at odds from bestfightodds.com and track whether the odds will continue to drop and not come up or wait till weight ins to bet on your fighter. 

    Do not try to get 3 underdogs if there is only 1 or 2 underdog. Perhaps substitute underdog bet with over/under bet. Avoid betting too many favourites. 
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    The entire card will be bet. Any picks not listed above will be bet at a dollar to have action on the fight, avoiding any last minute bets. Will have prediction totalled just to have some value to those dollar bets. 

    Look at odds from bestfightodds.com and track whether the odds will continue to drop and not come up or wait till weight ins to bet on your fighter. 

    Do not try to get 3 underdogs if there is only 1 or 2 underdog. Perhaps substitute underdog bet with over/under bet. Avoid betting too many favourites. 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2016 - 3:44 AM ET #5

    Corection first post. 

    Bet should have been KO Rivas (decision no bet). Rivas showed good submission defence in him first fight, confident on ground.

    Rivas KO(Scorecard void bet)
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    Corection first post. 

    Bet should have been KO Rivas (decision no bet). Rivas showed good submission defence in him first fight, confident on ground.

    Rivas KO(Scorecard void bet)
     
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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2016 - 9:48 AM ET #6

    well said on lobov case point on why white was the ez play 
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    well said on lobov case point on why white was the ez play 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2016 - 9:52 AM ET #7

    scoggins fought just a lil a lil stiffer competition then borg an just has a better skill set plain an simple
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    scoggins fought just a lil a lil stiffer competition then borg an just has a better skill set plain an simple
     
     
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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2016 - 3:15 PM ET #8

    I still chose Lobov but knew it was possible for him to lose this match and for sure the next.. 

    Makes sense for Scoggins. Borg doesnt look too talented. 




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    I still chose Lobov but knew it was possible for him to lose this match and for sure the next.. 

    Makes sense for Scoggins. Borg doesnt look too talented. 




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