JBJ -250

Can anyone here give a good argument as to why Cormier will come out victorious this time around against Jones.  I'm from Louisiana and I really like Cormier and do want him to beat Jon, teach him a lesson, blah, blah, blah, but I just don't see it happening.  Jon pretty much won every round last fight and I just don't see with Cormier getting older and Jon entering his athletic prime Cormier winning any way other than a fluke.  I am going to lay the juice on Jon and I don't see him having much problem winning this fight.

Hasn't fought in over a year. A background with banned substances AND recreational drugs. Always had questionable training habits. Maybe the greatest fight of all time as far as god given tools and ability. Let's see if what he has left.

That estrogen blocker Jones was using to mask steroid use...is no longer on USADA's banned list of substances. So you can pretty safely assume Jones is on his usual cycle here.

Not to go against Papa again, but I feel like this is Jones' fight to lose and am likely going to max betting this one. The first fight was probably a lot closer than people remember, you're right, but that was also with Jones doing drugs and partying leading up to the fight. DC came into that fight emotional, but there was no doubt he was at his best and still came up short. I don't believe that was Jones at his best.

You mentioned a lot of negatives for Jones over the past 2 years, but what about DC's issues? He's now 2 years OLDER and he was old to begin with. It's not like he's gone out and looked like Superman in his fights since 2015. He got knocked the F down in 30 seconds by Rumble (credit to him for surviving), almost got finished by Gustafsson and squeaked out a split decision, got hurt late in the 3rd against an out-of-shape and unprepared Silva, then beat Rumble again in a fight where Rumble didn't look like he even cared and was planning on retiring anyways (Rumble just chose to wrestle DC against the cage for some odd reason). To me, he gets the credit for winning those fights, but I didn't see much there to show me that he's done anything to prove he's going to be better than Jones this time around. Those 2 fights against Rumble almost shouldn't even count, simply for the fact that Rumble is one of the biggest quitters in the sport and has a horrible gas tank. DC is a horrible matchup for Rumble. Gustafsson damn near had DC finished at one point. Even 53 year old Anderson Silva hurt DC late in that fight and DC had about 40 pounds on him that night and had already been training to fight Jones.

It's not like Jones has just been sitting around this entire time off. He's really worked on his ground game and jiu jitsu, stayed active, and I think he's actually in great shape leading up to this fight. I will agree his showing against OSP was lackluster but that was a bit of a tune-up fight for him and it seemed like he was getting a feel for things again in there. Plus he had been doing a lot more weight training and wasn't sure how his gas tank would react. Not to mention it was DC who had to pull out of their rematch that time due to injury and I'm sure that was a bit of a letdown going into that fight. I think Jones could have finished OSP if more was at stake.

I don't believe DC when he acts like there is no pressure on him in this fight and he doesn't care if he loses. If anything, I feel like this fight means more to him now than the first fight. Jones has done nothing but rub it in his face that he's the only one that has ever beaten him and that DC is just a "paper champ." This is DC's last and only shot at redemption as his career is coming to a close and if he doesn't get it done Saturday, we could easily see him retire. I think there's pressure on both men and I'll take the guy that's defended the title a million times against a murderer's row of opponents (perhaps the greatest set of title defenses in UFC history). Like I said before, DC is 38 years old now. He barely made weight in his last fight (let's not forget the infamous Towelgate incident). I don't agree that DC looks in amazing shape for this fight. I think he already looks drawn out like death trying to make weight. I think the punishment he's taken over the past 2 years, along with the injuries and turning 38 years old are all major factors in him looking like a worse version of himself in this fight. Give me JBJ all day here

J-Money Maker, if you keep laying a ton of juice in close match-ups, especially ones that will likely go to decision, you're going to lose a lot of money betting this sport. There is just no way to justify Jones being -250. This is such a dog or pass spot, it's maddening to me that people are laying the juice like this. Last fight Jones was only around -170. That's when you should have bet him. If this fight was even money, sure id take Jones, but it's not. If you're just trying to mess around, want to bet 1 fight, and don't care about laying juice bc you don't take this seriously, then go ahead. But, if you take this seriously and ate still laying that Juice with Jones, I wish you good luck. Jones could be the best to ever do it, but the gap between he and Cormier is not worth -250. No chance. 

There's a big difference between picking a winner and making a good bet. Do I think Jones has a good shot at winning? Sure, it'll be a close fight and Jones can definitely win. Is it a good bet to lay -250? Absolutely not. Even if Jones were to win this fight, that is a terrible bet in the long term. The more that people understand that these events can't be judged as just picking a winner and not caring about the odds, the more people will learn to win money betting fights. 

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See both sides here but gotta agree with Papa. There are plenty of chances for Cormier to win, although I hope Bones has his act together, I thought he could be an all time great when he first came up, now... Remains to be seen.
There is NO value on a Jones wager IMO though. I am actually hoping the number climbs for Cormier. I may throw a little on him, just in case, if #s high enough, which actually for what I assume (I know, I know) will be a close fight, maybe even a decision...
Heck on this card I will be trying to wager mostly on dogs, several usually win and all it takes is for a +900 to beat Justino (I know, I know) or make it over 1.5 rounds and everything else is gravy :)
I want Bones to win, I expect Bones to win, I cannot play -250 on Bones. I have been burnt too many times by big faves.
Good luck on your bet, I will,probably take and sprinkle that 250 over 1 or 2 other fights that will hopefully pay worthwhile.

You thought he could be an all time great???? he is already the best ever ...plain an simple no need for a debate Jon Bones Jones wins in dominate fashion  lay the wood ....mistakes are like  azzholes we all make poo poo game over primetime for Jones $$$$$$

[Quote: Originally Posted by PapaShango]  if you keep laying a ton of juice in close match-ups, especially ones that will likely go to decision, you're going to lose a lot of money betting this sport.

If you like JBJ don't let people talk you out of it. Personally I don't think this fight is worth dropping money on. People say Jones doesn't look like him self lol no garbage. He is the healthiest I have ever seen him. The only thing I don't like about Jones is the time off. I think Jones has more gas in the tank and the fight will go long and he will take advantage of that.