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    Dow off nearly 500 points.

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    nature1970
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    Posted: Jan. 15, 2016 - 1:05 PM ET #1

    last Friday the market lost nearly 200 points in the last 10 minutes.
    the best news for today is their is less than three hours left in trading but huge sell off is unfolding as most profit gained in in the fourth quarter of 2015 has just been removed.

    retail numbers , oil breaking 30.00 and mixed banking signals are said to be the causes as to what can clearly seen as market correction.
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    last Friday the market lost nearly 200 points in the last 10 minutes.
    the best news for today is their is less than three hours left in trading but huge sell off is unfolding as most profit gained in in the fourth quarter of 2015 has just been removed.

    retail numbers , oil breaking 30.00 and mixed banking signals are said to be the causes as to what can clearly seen as market correction.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 15, 2016 - 1:16 PM ET #2

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    Posted: Jan. 15, 2016 - 1:44 PM ET #3

    Yeah been waiting around for this, and still we are at 16k, hardly in buy territory.

    Fair value still 6k lower IMO...but we shall see.

    I started nibbling on some oil stocks and if I am early I never buy all in one shot, so I will purchase more and add to other names that look interesting in the same group.

    People who frequent this forum often did not understand that waiting and holding cash is an OK choice if you think the risk is not worth current prices..forcing yourself into an extended market because there are no alternatives for a return is potential suicide.

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    Yeah been waiting around for this, and still we are at 16k, hardly in buy territory.

    Fair value still 6k lower IMO...but we shall see.

    I started nibbling on some oil stocks and if I am early I never buy all in one shot, so I will purchase more and add to other names that look interesting in the same group.

    People who frequent this forum often did not understand that waiting and holding cash is an OK choice if you think the risk is not worth current prices..forcing yourself into an extended market because there are no alternatives for a return is potential suicide.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 15, 2016 - 1:59 PM ET #4

    the money tranfers seem to be going to silver gold euros and the vix

    any thoughts here wall?
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    the money tranfers seem to be going to silver gold euros and the vix

    any thoughts here wall?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 15, 2016 - 4:06 PM ET #5

    well the market closed dow down nearly 400 for the day and has lost nearly 1400 points for the year. Hit by below expectation earning reports in nearly every sector. even retail way below projections of holiday season shopping numbers.

    the dow sp 500 and Nasdaq losing 2.5 % of the composites value.

    only things I saw improving was gold silver up 1.5% euro up.5% and the vixx gained 16%

    good luck with your 401 K because this is a serious bounce to everyones future pension.
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    well the market closed dow down nearly 400 for the day and has lost nearly 1400 points for the year. Hit by below expectation earning reports in nearly every sector. even retail way below projections of holiday season shopping numbers.

    the dow sp 500 and Nasdaq losing 2.5 % of the composites value.

    only things I saw improving was gold silver up 1.5% euro up.5% and the vixx gained 16%

    good luck with your 401 K because this is a serious bounce to everyones future pension.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 15, 2016 - 8:39 PM ET #6

    The cause is more likely a very expensive stock market rising over the years with record earnings and now those record earnings are falling.

    When stocks are expensive they can still go up if earnings hold or have reason to improve. but with the global stocks like China in big trouble and the many countries China will affect a corrections was easily in the cards.

    Stocks will at some point bounce back but at the current time nothing to drive them  forward.

    The next possible driver of stocks could be who becomes president.
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    The cause is more likely a very expensive stock market rising over the years with record earnings and now those record earnings are falling.

    When stocks are expensive they can still go up if earnings hold or have reason to improve. but with the global stocks like China in big trouble and the many countries China will affect a corrections was easily in the cards.

    Stocks will at some point bounce back but at the current time nothing to drive them  forward.

    The next possible driver of stocks could be who becomes president.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 15, 2016 - 9:14 PM ET #7

    To me the red flags came when earnings were being artificially driven while REVENUES were not growing.

    There is only so much financial engineering and margin squeezing before it no longer works.

    The market was being driven from the FED and from financial engineering, that is not the foundation for a solid stable market. When companies were borrowing to buy back shares to decrease the float, short term raise earnings and keep the bonuses flowing that is a top signal for sure.

    Show me a lean, hungry market with growing revenues and reasonable valuations and you will get me interested. This market is still currently massively overvalued, still a long long way to go before "value" is out there. 

    The energy sector is starting to get into value range..SOME energy names...
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    To me the red flags came when earnings were being artificially driven while REVENUES were not growing.

    There is only so much financial engineering and margin squeezing before it no longer works.

    The market was being driven from the FED and from financial engineering, that is not the foundation for a solid stable market. When companies were borrowing to buy back shares to decrease the float, short term raise earnings and keep the bonuses flowing that is a top signal for sure.

    Show me a lean, hungry market with growing revenues and reasonable valuations and you will get me interested. This market is still currently massively overvalued, still a long long way to go before "value" is out there. 

    The energy sector is starting to get into value range..SOME energy names...
     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2016 - 12:54 AM ET #8

    Wall is absolutely right.. I echo that sentiment.   We have been in a real "earnings recession"  had it not been for share buybacks..  and we've had revenue recession for quite some time.  

    I have started to nibble back into the Energy Sector this week,  because I see very little downside from $30 oil.   I follow the market closely, and see $30 very unrealistic "long term"  .  How many shale producers are still producing oil today ,  just to give half of their revenue away to pay back interest from their loans.   That will peter out very quickly here in 2016.

     

    Long story short.  Many of these producers will go south... with their production... and oil will start to stabilize again.  

    $50 is a realistic number once equilibrium sets in again.. and the Saudis will quit pumping once they view the threat as over.

    But having said that , keep in mind $100 oil is probably a thing of the past for many years.  The shale revolution has completely upended the oil patch, and can be quickly turned on again  to put a ceiling on oil prices.

     

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    Wall is absolutely right.. I echo that sentiment.   We have been in a real "earnings recession"  had it not been for share buybacks..  and we've had revenue recession for quite some time.  

    I have started to nibble back into the Energy Sector this week,  because I see very little downside from $30 oil.   I follow the market closely, and see $30 very unrealistic "long term"  .  How many shale producers are still producing oil today ,  just to give half of their revenue away to pay back interest from their loans.   That will peter out very quickly here in 2016.

     

    Long story short.  Many of these producers will go south... with their production... and oil will start to stabilize again.  

    $50 is a realistic number once equilibrium sets in again.. and the Saudis will quit pumping once they view the threat as over.

    But having said that , keep in mind $100 oil is probably a thing of the past for many years.  The shale revolution has completely upended the oil patch, and can be quickly turned on again  to put a ceiling on oil prices.

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2016 - 1:19 AM ET #9

    fracking = a private strategic reserve. i'm loving this idea, needed to put a ceiling on oil.
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    fracking = a private strategic reserve. i'm loving this idea, needed to put a ceiling on oil.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2016 - 2:18 AM ET #10

    best news today.

    the market will remain closed for
    martin luther kings observance holiday
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    best news today.

    the market will remain closed for
    martin luther kings observance holiday
     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2016 - 11:37 PM ET #11

    bad day for short sellers 
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    bad day for short sellers 
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