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    BB&T........one of the best.....if not the best

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    Posted: Feb. 9, 2009 - 9:13 PM ET #1

    First, I'm a homer.  Now that I have that disclaimer out of the way, I think people need to take a long hard look at this bank stock, one that is getting it right.
     
    Where to start.......CEO retires after grooming his successor for years; Former CEO rips Congress for bailing out the shit banks when some banks did it the right way and are now being penalized with TARP; BB&T did not want government funds OR need them; only took them becuase as the 13th largest bank at the time, all of their competitors did and the bank was virtually forced to politically
     
    Yield is at 10%; dividend is safe unless things get dramtically worse; some ridiculous record of consecutive increases in the dividend and paying the dividend in the first place; bank has been around since 1872.......136 years!
     
    Extremely diversified revenue streams; 7th largest insurance brokerage in the US, 8th in the world;  payroll, institutional services, mortage origination/servicing, merchant services, leasing, etc, etc all help to keep the bank from relying on JUST making loans and pricing deposits
     
    Bank MADE money last year, last quarter........Executive team has all bonuses cancelled; Top Performers (Sterling Award) in the bank at many key positions have their annual incentive trip to the Ritz in Amelia cancelled today.....why, because even when outperforming 99% of banks right now, it would not look right
     
    Subrime exposure limited to approximately 1% of entire portfolio; less exposure in the ATL and south Fla areas because the bank's presence in those markets is not as large as some other banks; regional credit has a very proactive finger on the bank's loan portfolio, all the way down to the city level; no layoffs planned as a small level of downsizing will come from retirements and attrition
     
    eating Wachovias lunch in all markets; eating SunTrust's lunch in all markets; 11B market cap; will begin taking over banks through a bid process as the FDIC ramps up the closures
     
    Take a look and compare.  This one is on sale and a long term winner.
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    First, I'm a homer.  Now that I have that disclaimer out of the way, I think people need to take a long hard look at this bank stock, one that is getting it right.
     
    Where to start.......CEO retires after grooming his successor for years; Former CEO rips Congress for bailing out the shit banks when some banks did it the right way and are now being penalized with TARP; BB&T did not want government funds OR need them; only took them becuase as the 13th largest bank at the time, all of their competitors did and the bank was virtually forced to politically
     
    Yield is at 10%; dividend is safe unless things get dramtically worse; some ridiculous record of consecutive increases in the dividend and paying the dividend in the first place; bank has been around since 1872.......136 years!
     
    Extremely diversified revenue streams; 7th largest insurance brokerage in the US, 8th in the world;  payroll, institutional services, mortage origination/servicing, merchant services, leasing, etc, etc all help to keep the bank from relying on JUST making loans and pricing deposits
     
    Bank MADE money last year, last quarter........Executive team has all bonuses cancelled; Top Performers (Sterling Award) in the bank at many key positions have their annual incentive trip to the Ritz in Amelia cancelled today.....why, because even when outperforming 99% of banks right now, it would not look right
     
    Subrime exposure limited to approximately 1% of entire portfolio; less exposure in the ATL and south Fla areas because the bank's presence in those markets is not as large as some other banks; regional credit has a very proactive finger on the bank's loan portfolio, all the way down to the city level; no layoffs planned as a small level of downsizing will come from retirements and attrition
     
    eating Wachovias lunch in all markets; eating SunTrust's lunch in all markets; 11B market cap; will begin taking over banks through a bid process as the FDIC ramps up the closures
     
    Take a look and compare.  This one is on sale and a long term winner.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 9, 2009 - 10:01 PM ET #2

    Market Cap of US banks:
                                                    MKT Cap             PE
     
    JP Morgan                              103.1 Billion           20.20        
    Wells Fargo                              80.9 Billion           25.39
    Royal Bank of Canada               34.6 Billion            9.37
    Bank of America                       34.5 Billion           11.06
    Bank of NY Mellon                    32.6 Billion           23.62
    US Bank                                  29.4 Billion           10.07
    Toronto Dominion                      27.0 Billion            8.20
    Bank of Nova Scotia                  25.5 Billion           10.04
    Citigroup                                   21.3 Billion           ummmmm
    PNC                                         14.8 Billion           13.24
    Northern Trust                           13.9 Billion           17.74
    State Street                              13.1 Billion            7.84
    BB&T                                       10.9 Billion            7.22
     
    Looks like the 10th largest US based, 13th largest overall
     
     
     
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    Market Cap of US banks:
                                                    MKT Cap             PE
     
    JP Morgan                              103.1 Billion           20.20        
    Wells Fargo                              80.9 Billion           25.39
    Royal Bank of Canada               34.6 Billion            9.37
    Bank of America                       34.5 Billion           11.06
    Bank of NY Mellon                    32.6 Billion           23.62
    US Bank                                  29.4 Billion           10.07
    Toronto Dominion                      27.0 Billion            8.20
    Bank of Nova Scotia                  25.5 Billion           10.04
    Citigroup                                   21.3 Billion           ummmmm
    PNC                                         14.8 Billion           13.24
    Northern Trust                           13.9 Billion           17.74
    State Street                              13.1 Billion            7.84
    BB&T                                       10.9 Billion            7.22
     
    Looks like the 10th largest US based, 13th largest overall
     
     
     
     
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    Posted: Feb. 9, 2009 - 10:24 PM ET #3

    Agreed ACC...the Street doesn't give much love.  Disclosure: Long 500 shares at $22.50 a couple of weeks back.  I don't like to buy and hold, but this one fits the bill.  Along with the DUKs, MOs, PMs of the world. 
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    Agreed ACC...the Street doesn't give much love.  Disclosure: Long 500 shares at $22.50 a couple of weeks back.  I don't like to buy and hold, but this one fits the bill.  Along with the DUKs, MOs, PMs of the world. 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 9, 2009 - 10:29 PM ET #4

    I guess because the bank is a regional, it get little exposure (40% institutional ownership).  However, if you knew how strong the internal sales culture is and pounded on, you'd buy the hell out of this one.
     
    Kelly King will be an excellent CEO and it's highly unlikely they take any shit banks form the FDIC if it isn't in the bank's best interest.  Haven Trust in ATL was very small but offered little to nothing to BB&T long term......other than helping the suits at the FDIC out.
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    I guess because the bank is a regional, it get little exposure (40% institutional ownership).  However, if you knew how strong the internal sales culture is and pounded on, you'd buy the hell out of this one.
     
    Kelly King will be an excellent CEO and it's highly unlikely they take any shit banks form the FDIC if it isn't in the bank's best interest.  Haven Trust in ATL was very small but offered little to nothing to BB&T long term......other than helping the suits at the FDIC out.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2009 - 2:32 PM ET #5

    Getting slammed today.  Will buy if we low teens.  Irrational.
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    Getting slammed today.  Will buy if we low teens.  Irrational.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2009 - 7:48 PM ET #6

    I'm shocked they paid that dividend in January.  Impressive.

    With a dividend of $1.88 each year that is $1.04 billion in fresh equity leaving the Bank each year.  If things don't improve with the economy I don't see how they can sustain that.  Working at a financial institution myself I know 2009 is going to be rough.

    But you definitely have more knowledge of the institution than me.  Definitely one to keep on the radar.






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    I'm shocked they paid that dividend in January.  Impressive.

    With a dividend of $1.88 each year that is $1.04 billion in fresh equity leaving the Bank each year.  If things don't improve with the economy I don't see how they can sustain that.  Working at a financial institution myself I know 2009 is going to be rough.

    But you definitely have more knowledge of the institution than me.  Definitely one to keep on the radar.






     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2009 - 8:46 PM ET #7

    The CEO Kelly King recently said that the dividend is safe as long as things do not deteriorate dramtically from here. 
     
    The sales culture in this bank is second to none.  IRM partners have to be referred to on a weekly bases.  IRM stands for integrated relationship managers meaning people in the bank that specialize in some other revenue area outside of just traditional lending an dbank operations.  These include insurance, wealth management, payroll, equipment leasing, treasury services, trust services, capital markets, floor plan financing, marine financing, brokerage services, mercchant services......you get the picture.
     
    I have worked at several banks and can tell you I have never seen a place where referrals and probing into a clients overall needs is required.  Ultimately, this one has SO many ways to make money.
     
    Sell-ff the last two days is a beautiful buying opportunity.  At some points, the quality banks trade at a much larger premium that just being down 50% from their high versus the competition being down 75-100%! 
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    The CEO Kelly King recently said that the dividend is safe as long as things do not deteriorate dramtically from here. 
     
    The sales culture in this bank is second to none.  IRM partners have to be referred to on a weekly bases.  IRM stands for integrated relationship managers meaning people in the bank that specialize in some other revenue area outside of just traditional lending an dbank operations.  These include insurance, wealth management, payroll, equipment leasing, treasury services, trust services, capital markets, floor plan financing, marine financing, brokerage services, mercchant services......you get the picture.
     
    I have worked at several banks and can tell you I have never seen a place where referrals and probing into a clients overall needs is required.  Ultimately, this one has SO many ways to make money.
     
    Sell-ff the last two days is a beautiful buying opportunity.  At some points, the quality banks trade at a much larger premium that just being down 50% from their high versus the competition being down 75-100%! 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2009 - 9:13 PM ET #8

    https://www.americanbanker.com/article.html?id=20090113UREZO87F&queryid=1388628342&hitnum=3
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    https://www.americanbanker.com/article.html?id=20090113UREZO87F&queryid=1388628342&hitnum=3
     
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    Posted: Feb. 15, 2009 - 11:25 AM ET #9

    Yield up to 12.5% now.....LOL
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    Yield up to 12.5% now.....LOL
     
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    Posted: Feb. 25, 2009 - 8:08 PM ET #10

    WOW!!!
     
    Not only are they strong enough to continue with the dividend and not cut it....but they even increased it today!
     
    Folks need to get in before this train leaves the station.
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    WOW!!!
     
    Not only are they strong enough to continue with the dividend and not cut it....but they even increased it today!
     
    Folks need to get in before this train leaves the station.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 25, 2009 - 11:35 PM ET #11

    acc,

    Have you looked at their balance sheet?

    Stock selling at near 2 times revenues, they have 3 times the debt to market cap and almost NINE times debt to cash. Margins and revenues are obviously slowing and they have doubled their interest expense since 2005 and that same interest expense eats up 30% of the remaining EBITDA cashflow.

    I'd say they are fairly valued here, but that dividend is a nice cushion and good to see they didnt reduce it.

    I dont see great value ratio wise or balance sheet wise, but down here at 15 or so there is less risk than 6 months ago.
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    acc,

    Have you looked at their balance sheet?

    Stock selling at near 2 times revenues, they have 3 times the debt to market cap and almost NINE times debt to cash. Margins and revenues are obviously slowing and they have doubled their interest expense since 2005 and that same interest expense eats up 30% of the remaining EBITDA cashflow.

    I'd say they are fairly valued here, but that dividend is a nice cushion and good to see they didnt reduce it.

    I dont see great value ratio wise or balance sheet wise, but down here at 15 or so there is less risk than 6 months ago.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 18, 2009 - 9:13 PM ET #12

    very nice day
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    very nice day
     
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    Posted: Apr. 19, 2009 - 8:16 PM ET #13

    I think if the bak deicdes to pay back the governement early and cut the dividend for a quarter or two to do it, the stock will run even more.
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    I think if the bak deicdes to pay back the governement early and cut the dividend for a quarter or two to do it, the stock will run even more.
     
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    Posted: May. 10, 2009 - 2:52 PM ET #14

    Stress test results were exceptional; stock on a major run
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    Stress test results were exceptional; stock on a major run
     
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    Posted: Aug. 24, 2009 - 10:01 PM ET #15

    Boys-
     
    The Colonial acquisition is huge for this bank as it was a sweeyheart deal with very little risk partnering with the FDIC on losses.  BBT just raised more capital last week also.
     
    Now the 8th largest bank in the country and though I am pretty sure the bank is done with anything but a handful of spot acquisitions for now, I'd get in before this thing moves more. 
     
    Look for a reinstatment of the dividend by this time next year.....inside information
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    Boys-
     
    The Colonial acquisition is huge for this bank as it was a sweeyheart deal with very little risk partnering with the FDIC on losses.  BBT just raised more capital last week also.
     
    Now the 8th largest bank in the country and though I am pretty sure the bank is done with anything but a handful of spot acquisitions for now, I'd get in before this thing moves more. 
     
    Look for a reinstatment of the dividend by this time next year.....inside information
     
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    Posted: Aug. 24, 2009 - 10:13 PM ET #16

    Man they are so over-leveraged relative to cash it is crazy.

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    2.2B in cash, 137B in liabilities.

    I also wonder what the true value of their long term investments are.

    The leverage rules in our banking industry are out of control.
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    Man they are so over-leveraged relative to cash it is crazy.

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    2.2B in cash, 137B in liabilities.

    I also wonder what the true value of their long term investments are.

    The leverage rules in our banking industry are out of control.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 17, 2009 - 12:43 AM ET #17

    Acc...you still recommend them?
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    Acc...you still recommend them?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 27, 2009 - 9:12 PM ET #18

    Absolutely. Colonial acquisition is a HUGE homerun.  Loss sharing that is a sweetheart deal; budgeted 8-12% deposit runoff and instead UP 8%!  Wait until the effects of becoming the second largest Ala bank and fifth largest Fla bank overnight kick in and this stock will fly.

     

    Honestly think BB&T stock sees $40-45 during 2010.

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    Absolutely. Colonial acquisition is a HUGE homerun.  Loss sharing that is a sweetheart deal; budgeted 8-12% deposit runoff and instead UP 8%!  Wait until the effects of becoming the second largest Ala bank and fifth largest Fla bank overnight kick in and this stock will fly.

     

    Honestly think BB&T stock sees $40-45 during 2010.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 27, 2009 - 9:14 PM ET #19

    Fourth quarter earnings should be solid too along with loans past due 30+ days being down Y-O-Y. Big internal push to make sure loans that could be renewed were unlike last year when the bank got caught with its pants down on good paying clinets having loans roll past due becuase of something stupid like being out of town for the holidays and unable to sign renewal docs.
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    Fourth quarter earnings should be solid too along with loans past due 30+ days being down Y-O-Y. Big internal push to make sure loans that could be renewed were unlike last year when the bank got caught with its pants down on good paying clinets having loans roll past due becuase of something stupid like being out of town for the holidays and unable to sign renewal docs.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 23, 2010 - 9:36 AM ET #20

    Excellent 4th quarter report; almost $200MM net income and over $800MM net income for FY09.  This one is a winner.  Next stop $40/share.
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    Excellent 4th quarter report; almost $200MM net income and over $800MM net income for FY09.  This one is a winner.  Next stop $40/share.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 23, 2010 - 11:40 AM ET #21

    You thought that report was excellent?

    I see a mixed bag at best.

    Bad loan provisions went up 50% from last year, earnings much lower than last year. Non-performing assets were up 10% Q over Q.

    The bar was set quite low, they passed it even though expenses were up as much as interest income was..and bank fees up 20%, how is that good for anyone?

    It also looks like they are still heavily leveraged debt to cash and debt to market cap.

    Leveraging 10 to 1 on cash sounds concerning...what do you think?
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    You thought that report was excellent?

    I see a mixed bag at best.

    Bad loan provisions went up 50% from last year, earnings much lower than last year. Non-performing assets were up 10% Q over Q.

    The bar was set quite low, they passed it even though expenses were up as much as interest income was..and bank fees up 20%, how is that good for anyone?

    It also looks like they are still heavily leveraged debt to cash and debt to market cap.

    Leveraging 10 to 1 on cash sounds concerning...what do you think?
     
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    Posted: Mar. 31, 2010 - 9:40 PM ET #22

    First quarter past dues should be solid; non accruals slowing down; good handle on what might blow up next in the portfolio; stock making new highs.  On the way to 40 if it can break out on a point and figure chart.

     

    BB&T one of three major banks to not show a single quarterly loss since the recession/depression began.  I think PNC and US Bank are the other two.

    Look for another government assisted takeover for BB&T before the Fall.  Should be a good sized bank too.  SNV maybe?  Regions?

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    First quarter past dues should be solid; non accruals slowing down; good handle on what might blow up next in the portfolio; stock making new highs.  On the way to 40 if it can break out on a point and figure chart.

     

    BB&T one of three major banks to not show a single quarterly loss since the recession/depression began.  I think PNC and US Bank are the other two.

    Look for another government assisted takeover for BB&T before the Fall.  Should be a good sized bank too.  SNV maybe?  Regions?

     
     
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    Posted: Apr. 1, 2010 - 7:58 PM ET #23

    Earning should be good.  Quarter ended yesterday and past dues, non accruals and OREO were better than budget.
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    Earning should be good.  Quarter ended yesterday and past dues, non accruals and OREO were better than budget.
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