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    LuckyLuke
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    Posted: Oct. 9, 2012 - 4:55 PM ET #1

    I have been getting crushed this year (compared to last 2 years where i had 15% and 11% return) 
    I started making bad choices by getting into options and that was one of my downfalls.  (especially calls VXX)

    Now i am trying a new strategy by going 20% gold/10% silver
    I am thinking what i should do with companies that are not doing well for me  (CAT, FB (yea i know)GS,C,  i am about 20%+ down on them. 
    Since I assume and have a feeling that the market will be going south should i just cut my loses and sell them at a loss or should i place some PUT options on them to even out the loss when they do start falling down.
    Than my next questions is what should i do with stocks that gave me great results such as BAC +80%,CCL+25%,MSFT +15% (about 20% of my portfolio) T +25%.  Should i sell them if i and thinking market will go south?  Problem is some of them are still under the short term.  I will get taxed a lot more if they did not pass the 1 year mark. 

    What is the wise direction?  I would appreciate if some of you can help me out with good reasons. 
    Wallstreet- if you have a second i would like to hear your input.

    Also,  since i am really thinking market will go south what is the best way to bet against the market.

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    I have been getting crushed this year (compared to last 2 years where i had 15% and 11% return) 
    I started making bad choices by getting into options and that was one of my downfalls.  (especially calls VXX)

    Now i am trying a new strategy by going 20% gold/10% silver
    I am thinking what i should do with companies that are not doing well for me  (CAT, FB (yea i know)GS,C,  i am about 20%+ down on them. 
    Since I assume and have a feeling that the market will be going south should i just cut my loses and sell them at a loss or should i place some PUT options on them to even out the loss when they do start falling down.
    Than my next questions is what should i do with stocks that gave me great results such as BAC +80%,CCL+25%,MSFT +15% (about 20% of my portfolio) T +25%.  Should i sell them if i and thinking market will go south?  Problem is some of them are still under the short term.  I will get taxed a lot more if they did not pass the 1 year mark. 

    What is the wise direction?  I would appreciate if some of you can help me out with good reasons. 
    Wallstreet- if you have a second i would like to hear your input.

    Also,  since i am really thinking market will go south what is the best way to bet against the market.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 9, 2012 - 4:56 PM ET #2

    My portfolio without options is up around 5%  but as i mentioned above i got killed on options for over 20K  on a 100k account.
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    My portfolio without options is up around 5%  but as i mentioned above i got killed on options for over 20K  on a 100k account.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 9, 2012 - 5:46 PM ET #3

    Market goes south and gold will go south with it.

    Were you going long term options or short term?

    In the money or out?
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    Market goes south and gold will go south with it.

    Were you going long term options or short term?

    In the money or out?
     
    LuckyLuke
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    Posted: Oct. 10, 2012 - 11:05 AM ET #4

    I view gold choice a bit different.  With Europe drama not ending anytime soon (most likely only getting worse) / US printing money/ and fiscal drama about to start again--I think it will only make gold stronger and i can't say that for stocks.

    i was playing with options as short term.  My initial plays were very profitable but after that it was all going south no matter if i had calls or puts.  Just not going the right way.

    in the money


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    I view gold choice a bit different.  With Europe drama not ending anytime soon (most likely only getting worse) / US printing money/ and fiscal drama about to start again--I think it will only make gold stronger and i can't say that for stocks.

    i was playing with options as short term.  My initial plays were very profitable but after that it was all going south no matter if i had calls or puts.  Just not going the right way.

    in the money


     
    mainmanmainman2
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    Posted: Oct. 10, 2012 - 11:54 PM ET #5

    money contracts, everyones waist lines are being de-leveage. get out while you can.

    hmmm

    as for your decision i think MSFT can weather a storm, but its just whether you want to time the market.
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    money contracts, everyones waist lines are being de-leveage. get out while you can.

    hmmm

    as for your decision i think MSFT can weather a storm, but its just whether you want to time the market.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 11, 2012 - 2:12 PM ET #6

    Its been all bad news since 2009 and look at the market..now I don't believe they can keep pushing this forward forever but until there's a sign it will stop y pull out of the market?
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    Its been all bad news since 2009 and look at the market..now I don't believe they can keep pushing this forward forever but until there's a sign it will stop y pull out of the market?
     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 13, 2012 - 10:28 PM ET #7

    Wallstreet all due respect I disagree

      Gold will not follow market south.....but is the market
    Going south?
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    Wallstreet all due respect I disagree

      Gold will not follow market south.....but is the market
    Going south?
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