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    KOAJ
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2007 - 7:10 PM ET #151

    buffett is talking about taking a piece of CFC

    i read in their 8k that in the future they will be able to loan out money from their bank to home buyers who go to them for loans...thats real scary

    CCL - like always, i hope for 8-8 and a few breaks to get 10 wins. hoping the O line can get better and that chad can throw against the wind


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    buffett is talking about taking a piece of CFC

    i read in their 8k that in the future they will be able to loan out money from their bank to home buyers who go to them for loans...thats real scary

    CCL - like always, i hope for 8-8 and a few breaks to get 10 wins. hoping the O line can get better and that chad can throw against the wind


     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2007 - 8:12 PM ET #152

    Has Buffett himself really said hat or is it just a rumor?

    This really is an ideal time for a guy like Buffett (sitting on $52 billion in cash) to sweep in and buy distressed companies.

     When I bought BRKB stock I figured I need not look at it like other companies (it was definitely a lifetime purchase until he and Munger croak).
    He must be licking his chops at this situation.

      CCourt I would also stay away from shorting CFC for the reasons you stated.
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    Has Buffett himself really said hat or is it just a rumor?

    This really is an ideal time for a guy like Buffett (sitting on $52 billion in cash) to sweep in and buy distressed companies.

     When I bought BRKB stock I figured I need not look at it like other companies (it was definitely a lifetime purchase until he and Munger croak).
    He must be licking his chops at this situation.

      CCourt I would also stay away from shorting CFC for the reasons you stated.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2007 - 8:49 PM ET #153

    Lies.
     
    I'm not saying you're lying, but the WSJ starting this rumor is pure bull-crap.
     
    Look it......the short interest in CCF is off the charts.....the WSJ or any other publication (Barron's) will do anything and say anything to start a squeeze. 
     
    This rumor made CCF move a whopping 2 points today.....exactly why it's false.
     
    Now if Buffett himself comes out and refutes this, then CCF goes down the shitter.
     
    I'm seriously thinking about growing a pair and shorting this bozo company if it gets up around 30ish on these rumors.
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    Lies.
     
    I'm not saying you're lying, but the WSJ starting this rumor is pure bull-crap.
     
    Look it......the short interest in CCF is off the charts.....the WSJ or any other publication (Barron's) will do anything and say anything to start a squeeze. 
     
    This rumor made CCF move a whopping 2 points today.....exactly why it's false.
     
    Now if Buffett himself comes out and refutes this, then CCF goes down the shitter.
     
    I'm seriously thinking about growing a pair and shorting this bozo company if it gets up around 30ish on these rumors.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2007 - 12:39 AM ET #154

    From what I read and heard (listened to CNBS on XM traveling all day today)

    He wants to buy PARTS of the operations and he wont pay a premium..that means either CFC is going to shed a ton of themselves to pay down debt or they are going to BK or the deal isnt happening.

    Know one thing for sure, Buffet isnt going to pay any premium and anything that happens wont be a positive for the stock..translation he isnt buying shares of the common..

    JMHO
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    From what I read and heard (listened to CNBS on XM traveling all day today)

    He wants to buy PARTS of the operations and he wont pay a premium..that means either CFC is going to shed a ton of themselves to pay down debt or they are going to BK or the deal isnt happening.

    Know one thing for sure, Buffet isnt going to pay any premium and anything that happens wont be a positive for the stock..translation he isnt buying shares of the common..

    JMHO
     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2007 - 1:30 AM ET #155

    Drys earnings were good.  Stock up big afterhours.  Hopefully it helps my exm calls
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    Drys earnings were good.  Stock up big afterhours.  Hopefully it helps my exm calls
     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2007 - 1:46 AM ET #156

    Jeff,

    Factor out the sale of the vessels and they beat by 20 cents which was still pretty good.

    I dont trust that company..last year when I was considering it I read some articles that discussed how it is so closely held and the numbers were probably manipulated..

    That said it probably goes to 100 what do I know??

    lol
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    Jeff,

    Factor out the sale of the vessels and they beat by 20 cents which was still pretty good.

    I dont trust that company..last year when I was considering it I read some articles that discussed how it is so closely held and the numbers were probably manipulated..

    That said it probably goes to 100 what do I know??

    lol
     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2007 - 8:14 AM ET #157

    I know that ever since this panic started my BRKB shares have benefited. The idea that Buffett would prop anything up is weird, in that he is more a vulture than a savior, and I mean that in the kindest way.Whenever there is a fire sale he is there in the back waving money, but at 10 cents on the dollar.
     
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    I know that ever since this panic started my BRKB shares have benefited. The idea that Buffett would prop anything up is weird, in that he is more a vulture than a savior, and I mean that in the kindest way.Whenever there is a fire sale he is there in the back waving money, but at 10 cents on the dollar.
     
     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2007 - 9:02 AM ET #158

    next in line at Window 11 - LEND

    SAN DIEGO (AP) -- Accredited Home Lenders Holding Co. plans to shut down most of its business to survive the troubles in the home lending industry, the company said Wednesday.

    Accredited Home Lenders said it will cut its work force to 1,000 people -- from 2,600 at the end of June -- and close 65 branches. The company will immediately stop accepting applications for home loans in the U.S., though it will honor the loans it has already committed to finance.

    The company will close its retail lending business, which issues home loans directly to consumers. Accredited is also scaling back much of its wholesale lending division, which issues mortgages through brokers. The company will close five of its 10 brokered loan offices and lay off about three-fifths of the unit's workers.


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    next in line at Window 11 - LEND

    SAN DIEGO (AP) -- Accredited Home Lenders Holding Co. plans to shut down most of its business to survive the troubles in the home lending industry, the company said Wednesday.

    Accredited Home Lenders said it will cut its work force to 1,000 people -- from 2,600 at the end of June -- and close 65 branches. The company will immediately stop accepting applications for home loans in the U.S., though it will honor the loans it has already committed to finance.

    The company will close its retail lending business, which issues home loans directly to consumers. Accredited is also scaling back much of its wholesale lending division, which issues mortgages through brokers. The company will close five of its 10 brokered loan offices and lay off about three-fifths of the unit's workers.


     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2007 - 9:30 AM ET #159

    Got this list forwarded to me... quite staggering
     
    "Imploded" Lenders so far:
    129. GreenPoint Mortgage - Capital One Wholesale
    128. NovaStar (Wholesale), Homeview Lending
    127. Quick Loan Funding
    126. National City Home Equity
    125. Calusa Investments
    124. Mercantile Mortgage
    123. First Magnus
    122. First Indiana Wholesale
    121. Pacific American Mortgage (PAMCO)
    120. Spectrum Financial Group - Wholesale
    119. Express Capital Lending
    118. Deutsche Bank Correspondent Lending Group (CLG)
    117. MLSG
    116. Trump Mortgage
    115. HomeBanc Mortgage Corporation
    114. Mylor Financial
    113. Aegis (Everything)
    112. Alternative Financing Corp (AFC) Wholesale
    111. Winstar Mortgage
    110. American Home Mortgage / American Brokers Conduit
    109. Sunset Mortgage
    108. Fieldstone Mortgage Company
    107. Nations Home Lending
    106. Wells Fargo Alternative Lending Wholesale
    105. Entrust Mortgage
    104. Alera Financial (Wholesale)
    103. Flick Mortgage/Mortgage Simple
    102. Alliance Bancorp
    101. Choice Capital Funding
    100. Premier Mortgage Funding
    99. Stone Creek Funding
    98. FlexPoint Funding (Wholesale & Retail)
    97. Starpointe Mortgage
    96. Unlimited Loan Resources (ULR)
    95. Freestand Financial
    94. Steward Financial
    93. Wells Fargo (Correspondent)
    92. Bridge Capital Corporation
    91. Altivus Financial
    90. ACT Mortgage
    89. Alliance Mortgage Banking Corp (AMBC)
    88. Concord Mortgage Wholesale
    87. Heartwell Mortgage
    86. Oak Street Mortgage
    85. The Mortgage Warehouse
    84. First Street Financial
    83. Right-Away Mortgage
    82. Heritage Plaza Mortgage
    81. Horizon Bank Wholesale Lending Group
    80. Lancaster Mortgage Bank (LMB)
    79. Bryco (Wholesale)
    78. No Red Tape Mortgage
    77. The Lending Group (TLG)
    76. Pro 30 Funding
    75. NetBank Funding
    74. Columbia Home Loans, LLC
    73. Mortgage Tree Lending
    72. Homeland Capital Group
    71. Nation One Mortgage
    70. Dana Capital Group
    69. Millenium Funding Group
    68. MILA
    67. Home Equity of America
    66. Opteum (Wholesale, Conduit)
    65. Innovative Mortgage Capital
    64. Home Capital, Inc.
    63. Home 123 Mortgage
    62. Homefield Financial
    61. First Horizon (Subprime)
    60. Platinum Capital Group
    59. First Source Funding Group (FSFG)
    58. Alterna Mortgage
    57. Solutions Funding
    56. People's Mortgage
    55. LowerMyPayment.com
    54. Zone Funding
    53. First Consolidated (Subprime Wholesale)
    52. EquiFirst
    51. SouthStar Funding
    50. Warehouse USA
    49. H&R Block Mortgage
    48. Madison Equity Loans
    47. HSBC Mortgage Services (correspondent div.)
    46. Sunset Direct Lending
    45. Kellner Mortgage Investments
    44. LoanCity
    43. CoreStar Financial Group
    42. Ameriquest
    41. Investaid Corp.
    40. People's Choice Financial Corp.
    39. Master Financial
    38. Maribella Mortgage
    37. FMF Capital LLC
    36. New Century Financial Corp.
    35. Wachovia Mortgage (Correspondent div.)
    34. Ameritrust Mortgage Company (Subprime Wholesale)
    33. Trojan Lending (Wholesale)
    32. Fremont General Corporation
    31. DomesticBank (Wholesale Lending Division)
    30. Franklin Financial (Wholesale Operations)
    29. Ivanhoe Mortgage/Central Pacific Mortgage
    28. Eagle First Mortgage
    27. Coastal Capital
    26. Silver State Mortgage
    25. ResMAE Mortgage Corporation
    24. ECC Capital/Encore Credit
    23. Lender's Direct Capital Corporation (wholesale division)
    22. Concorde Acceptance
    21. DeepGreen Financial
    20. Millenium Bankshares (Mortgage Subsidiaries)
    19. Summit Mortgage
    18. Mandalay Mortgage
    17. Rose Mortgage
    16. EquiBanc
    15. FundingAmerica
    14. Popular Financial Holdings
    13. Clear Choice Financial/Bay Capital
    12. Origen Wholesale Lending
    11. SecuredFunding
    10. Preferred Advantage
    9. MLN
    8. Sovereign Bancorp (Wholesale Ops)
    7. Harbourton Mortgage Investment Corporation
    6. OwnIt Mortgage
    5. Sebring Capital Partners
    4. Axis Mortgage & Investments
    3. Meritage Mortgage
    2. Acoustic Home Loans
    1. Merit Financial

    Ailing/Watch List Lenders:
    14. Countrywide Financial
    13. Amstar Mortgage Corporation
    12. Meridias Capital
    11. Option One
    10. CIT Home Lending
    9. FNBA
    8. GreenPoint Mortgage
    7. All Fund Mortgage
    6. Accredited Home Lenders
    5. Ocwen Loan Servicing
    4. Doral Financial Corp.
    3. Evergreen Investment/Carnation Bank
    2. Coast Financial Holdings, Inc.
    1. Residential Capital, LLC
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    Got this list forwarded to me... quite staggering
     
    "Imploded" Lenders so far:
    129. GreenPoint Mortgage - Capital One Wholesale
    128. NovaStar (Wholesale), Homeview Lending
    127. Quick Loan Funding
    126. National City Home Equity
    125. Calusa Investments
    124. Mercantile Mortgage
    123. First Magnus
    122. First Indiana Wholesale
    121. Pacific American Mortgage (PAMCO)
    120. Spectrum Financial Group - Wholesale
    119. Express Capital Lending
    118. Deutsche Bank Correspondent Lending Group (CLG)
    117. MLSG
    116. Trump Mortgage
    115. HomeBanc Mortgage Corporation
    114. Mylor Financial
    113. Aegis (Everything)
    112. Alternative Financing Corp (AFC) Wholesale
    111. Winstar Mortgage
    110. American Home Mortgage / American Brokers Conduit
    109. Sunset Mortgage
    108. Fieldstone Mortgage Company
    107. Nations Home Lending
    106. Wells Fargo Alternative Lending Wholesale
    105. Entrust Mortgage
    104. Alera Financial (Wholesale)
    103. Flick Mortgage/Mortgage Simple
    102. Alliance Bancorp
    101. Choice Capital Funding
    100. Premier Mortgage Funding
    99. Stone Creek Funding
    98. FlexPoint Funding (Wholesale & Retail)
    97. Starpointe Mortgage
    96. Unlimited Loan Resources (ULR)
    95. Freestand Financial
    94. Steward Financial
    93. Wells Fargo (Correspondent)
    92. Bridge Capital Corporation
    91. Altivus Financial
    90. ACT Mortgage
    89. Alliance Mortgage Banking Corp (AMBC)
    88. Concord Mortgage Wholesale
    87. Heartwell Mortgage
    86. Oak Street Mortgage
    85. The Mortgage Warehouse
    84. First Street Financial
    83. Right-Away Mortgage
    82. Heritage Plaza Mortgage
    81. Horizon Bank Wholesale Lending Group
    80. Lancaster Mortgage Bank (LMB)
    79. Bryco (Wholesale)
    78. No Red Tape Mortgage
    77. The Lending Group (TLG)
    76. Pro 30 Funding
    75. NetBank Funding
    74. Columbia Home Loans, LLC
    73. Mortgage Tree Lending
    72. Homeland Capital Group
    71. Nation One Mortgage
    70. Dana Capital Group
    69. Millenium Funding Group
    68. MILA
    67. Home Equity of America
    66. Opteum (Wholesale, Conduit)
    65. Innovative Mortgage Capital
    64. Home Capital, Inc.
    63. Home 123 Mortgage
    62. Homefield Financial
    61. First Horizon (Subprime)
    60. Platinum Capital Group
    59. First Source Funding Group (FSFG)
    58. Alterna Mortgage
    57. Solutions Funding
    56. People's Mortgage
    55. LowerMyPayment.com
    54. Zone Funding
    53. First Consolidated (Subprime Wholesale)
    52. EquiFirst
    51. SouthStar Funding
    50. Warehouse USA
    49. H&R Block Mortgage
    48. Madison Equity Loans
    47. HSBC Mortgage Services (correspondent div.)
    46. Sunset Direct Lending
    45. Kellner Mortgage Investments
    44. LoanCity
    43. CoreStar Financial Group
    42. Ameriquest
    41. Investaid Corp.
    40. People's Choice Financial Corp.
    39. Master Financial
    38. Maribella Mortgage
    37. FMF Capital LLC
    36. New Century Financial Corp.
    35. Wachovia Mortgage (Correspondent div.)
    34. Ameritrust Mortgage Company (Subprime Wholesale)
    33. Trojan Lending (Wholesale)
    32. Fremont General Corporation
    31. DomesticBank (Wholesale Lending Division)
    30. Franklin Financial (Wholesale Operations)
    29. Ivanhoe Mortgage/Central Pacific Mortgage
    28. Eagle First Mortgage
    27. Coastal Capital
    26. Silver State Mortgage
    25. ResMAE Mortgage Corporation
    24. ECC Capital/Encore Credit
    23. Lender's Direct Capital Corporation (wholesale division)
    22. Concorde Acceptance
    21. DeepGreen Financial
    20. Millenium Bankshares (Mortgage Subsidiaries)
    19. Summit Mortgage
    18. Mandalay Mortgage
    17. Rose Mortgage
    16. EquiBanc
    15. FundingAmerica
    14. Popular Financial Holdings
    13. Clear Choice Financial/Bay Capital
    12. Origen Wholesale Lending
    11. SecuredFunding
    10. Preferred Advantage
    9. MLN
    8. Sovereign Bancorp (Wholesale Ops)
    7. Harbourton Mortgage Investment Corporation
    6. OwnIt Mortgage
    5. Sebring Capital Partners
    4. Axis Mortgage & Investments
    3. Meritage Mortgage
    2. Acoustic Home Loans
    1. Merit Financial

    Ailing/Watch List Lenders:
    14. Countrywide Financial
    13. Amstar Mortgage Corporation
    12. Meridias Capital
    11. Option One
    10. CIT Home Lending
    9. FNBA
    8. GreenPoint Mortgage
    7. All Fund Mortgage
    6. Accredited Home Lenders
    5. Ocwen Loan Servicing
    4. Doral Financial Corp.
    3. Evergreen Investment/Carnation Bank
    2. Coast Financial Holdings, Inc.
    1. Residential Capital, LLC
     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2007 - 9:32 AM ET #160

    wow, sorry.  wish i didn't post the longest post in history twice by an accident
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    wow, sorry.  wish i didn't post the longest post in history twice by an accident
     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2007 - 9:45 AM ET #161

    fixed it gunners

    on top of the lenders you have the homebuilders
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    fixed it gunners

    on top of the lenders you have the homebuilders
     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2007 - 9:58 AM ET #162

    thanks KOAJ...
     
    you would have thought that #33 Trojan Lending would have been "safe".
     
    eh, eh?... get it?
     
    yeah, i'm a jackass
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    thanks KOAJ...
     
    you would have thought that #33 Trojan Lending would have been "safe".
     
    eh, eh?... get it?
     
    yeah, i'm a jackass
     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2007 - 10:01 AM ET #163

    8. GreenPoint Mortgage

    Capital One shut these guys down the other day i think
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    8. GreenPoint Mortgage

    Capital One shut these guys down the other day i think
     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2007 - 10:27 AM ET #164

    yeah... you're right.   you can see that they are #129 on the first part of the list.  shouldn't still be on the second part of the list
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    yeah... you're right.   you can see that they are #129 on the first part of the list.  shouldn't still be on the second part of the list
     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2007 - 2:00 PM ET #165

    Quote Originally Posted by jthollywood:

    Koaj,

    I am in the market for a house myself, but I am not going to rush into it. I sold my last place about a year and a half ago right before the market starting going into this nose dive. I work(ed) for a mortgage broker so I've had my finger on the pulse of this housing market for sometime now. What i am going to do is wait for the housing market to hit the ceiling (i still think we are 3-6 months away but the affects should linger for a while) and then start pushing hard for a new property. California will be the goldmine for investors with capital. Once again it's just not sub-prime banks that are going to get hit hard....A-paper lenders will be affected.There is a reason why they keep changing their lending guidelines and they don't lower the interest rates when the bond market calls for it. here is a good site to check once a twice a week to see what lenders have imploded....

     

    https://ml-implode.com/

     

    the link for mortgage imploder.....above (great site)

    GreenPoint wholesale has closed their doors!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jthollywood:

    Koaj,

    I am in the market for a house myself, but I am not going to rush into it. I sold my last place about a year and a half ago right before the market starting going into this nose dive. I work(ed) for a mortgage broker so I've had my finger on the pulse of this housing market for sometime now. What i am going to do is wait for the housing market to hit the ceiling (i still think we are 3-6 months away but the affects should linger for a while) and then start pushing hard for a new property. California will be the goldmine for investors with capital. Once again it's just not sub-prime banks that are going to get hit hard....A-paper lenders will be affected.There is a reason why they keep changing their lending guidelines and they don't lower the interest rates when the bond market calls for it. here is a good site to check once a twice a week to see what lenders have imploded....

     

    https://ml-implode.com/

     

    the link for mortgage imploder.....above (great site)

    GreenPoint wholesale has closed their doors!!!!

     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2007 - 2:01 PM ET #166

    #9 on the watch list, FNBA, has imploded as of today....another one bites the dust.
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    #9 on the watch list, FNBA, has imploded as of today....another one bites the dust.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2007 - 2:05 PM ET #167

    Quote Originally Posted by jthollywood:

    #9 on the watch list, FNBA, has imploded as of today....another one bites the dust.

     

    let me clarify that FNBA has closed their wholesale division and will still operate their retail division.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jthollywood:

    #9 on the watch list, FNBA, has imploded as of today....another one bites the dust.

     

    let me clarify that FNBA has closed their wholesale division and will still operate their retail division.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2007 - 2:09 PM ET #168

    Quote Originally Posted by jthollywood:

     

    let me clarify that FNBA has closed their wholesale division and will still operate their retail division.

     

    and they will still make more than the WNBA... ZING!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jthollywood:

     

    let me clarify that FNBA has closed their wholesale division and will still operate their retail division.

     

    and they will still make more than the WNBA... ZING!

     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2007 - 2:21 PM ET #169

    Quote Originally Posted by Gunners:

     

    and they will still make more than the WNBA... ZING!

     

    Yes, especially when all the top players in the WNBA are talking about playing in Europe because they can make 3x what they are currently making......sell the wnba, sell,sell,sell,sell!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunners:

     

    and they will still make more than the WNBA... ZING!

     

    Yes, especially when all the top players in the WNBA are talking about playing in Europe because they can make 3x what they are currently making......sell the wnba, sell,sell,sell,sell!!!!!

     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2007 - 2:45 PM ET #170

    another one bites the dust:

    14:35 LEHMAN BROTHERS LEH SAID IT IS CLOSING BNC MORTGAGE UNIT

    2400 people laid off
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    another one bites the dust:

    14:35 LEHMAN BROTHERS LEH SAID IT IS CLOSING BNC MORTGAGE UNIT

    2400 people laid off
     
     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2007 - 2:55 PM ET #171

    LEH is all over the board

    3 pt turn here and there and everywhere.

    My VERY humble opinion is this implosion is an over reaction..this storm will pass and people still need mortgages..just the cost of risk needs to go up and due diligence needs to improve.
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    LEH is all over the board

    3 pt turn here and there and everywhere.

    My VERY humble opinion is this implosion is an over reaction..this storm will pass and people still need mortgages..just the cost of risk needs to go up and due diligence needs to improve.
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