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    TheBlackKnight
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    Posted: Oct. 25, 2024 - 1:23 AM ET #1

    Location: Del Mar

    Dates: 11.01 and 11.02

     

    FREE pre entries for each BC race can be gotten from equibase.com

     

    Thoughts, ideas, tickets to be posted as we draw closer.  Already see two races I really really like, just hope they make it to post.

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    Location: Del Mar

    Dates: 11.01 and 11.02

     

    FREE pre entries for each BC race can be gotten from equibase.com

     

    Thoughts, ideas, tickets to be posted as we draw closer.  Already see two races I really really like, just hope they make it to post.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 25, 2024 - 10:41 AM ET #2

    You know your gonna see that 70-1 shot coming in 1st or 2nd in some of these races. Also nice weather predicted for now.

    Aidan O'briens Lake Victoria and Asmussens Cogburn are likely sure things if your betting style suggests and like to go that route.

    Even money would be a gift on these two.peace_5

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    You know your gonna see that 70-1 shot coming in 1st or 2nd in some of these races. Also nice weather predicted for now.

    Aidan O'briens Lake Victoria and Asmussens Cogburn are likely sure things if your betting style suggests and like to go that route.

    Even money would be a gift on these two.peace_5

     
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    Posted: Oct. 25, 2024 - 4:10 PM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by vetdrm:

    You know your gonna see that 70-1 shot coming in 1st or 2nd in some of these races. Also nice weather predicted for now. Aidan O'briens Lake Victoria and Asmussens Cogburn are likely sure things if your betting style suggests and like to go that route. Even money would be a gift on these two.

     

    I sure hope so!  Weather always needs to be taken into account (thank you for the closer location than I update peace_5).   Adian O'Brien is one of my favorite trainers and have many of his horses in my online stable watch/inform me.  I recall a races in which his runners finished 1,2 and 3 ... TO THE BANK!! Win paid over $150, exact a over $1,000 and trifecta over $5,000 made my day!  ??

     

    I gladly welcome your input and thoughts as could benefit all.

     

    Let's get 'er done!  an_cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by vetdrm:

    You know your gonna see that 70-1 shot coming in 1st or 2nd in some of these races. Also nice weather predicted for now. Aidan O'briens Lake Victoria and Asmussens Cogburn are likely sure things if your betting style suggests and like to go that route. Even money would be a gift on these two.

     

    I sure hope so!  Weather always needs to be taken into account (thank you for the closer location than I update peace_5).   Adian O'Brien is one of my favorite trainers and have many of his horses in my online stable watch/inform me.  I recall a races in which his runners finished 1,2 and 3 ... TO THE BANK!! Win paid over $150, exact a over $1,000 and trifecta over $5,000 made my day!  ??

     

    I gladly welcome your input and thoughts as could benefit all.

     

    Let's get 'er done!  an_cheers

     
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    Posted: Oct. 25, 2024 - 4:20 PM ET #4

    As I understand it, here is the Friday schedule:

    Race 1, Ocean View, 11:35am/2:35pm

    Race 2, Aftercare Alliance Stakes, 12:10pm/3:10pm

    Race 3: Golden State Juvenile Fillies Stakes, 12:45pm/3:45pm

    Race 4: Ken Maddy Stakes, 1:25pm/4:25pm

    Race 5: Golden State Juvenile, 2:05pm/5:05pm

    ------ Start of BC races -----

    Race 6: Juvenile Turf Sprint, 2:45pm/5:45pm

    Race 7: Juvenile Fillies, 3:25pm/6:25pm

    Race 8: Juvenile Fillies Turf, 4:05pm/7:05pm

    Race 9: Juvenile, 4:45pm/7:45pm

    Race 10: Juvenile Turf, 5:25pm/8:25pm

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    As I understand it, here is the Friday schedule:

    Race 1, Ocean View, 11:35am/2:35pm

    Race 2, Aftercare Alliance Stakes, 12:10pm/3:10pm

    Race 3: Golden State Juvenile Fillies Stakes, 12:45pm/3:45pm

    Race 4: Ken Maddy Stakes, 1:25pm/4:25pm

    Race 5: Golden State Juvenile, 2:05pm/5:05pm

    ------ Start of BC races -----

    Race 6: Juvenile Turf Sprint, 2:45pm/5:45pm

    Race 7: Juvenile Fillies, 3:25pm/6:25pm

    Race 8: Juvenile Fillies Turf, 4:05pm/7:05pm

    Race 9: Juvenile, 4:45pm/7:45pm

    Race 10: Juvenile Turf, 5:25pm/8:25pm

     
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    Posted: Oct. 25, 2024 - 4:28 PM ET #5

    As I understand it here is Saturday's schedule:

     

    Race 1: The Sunrise, 10:05am/1:05pm

    Race 2: Bayakoa Stakes, 10:40am/1:40pm

    Race 3: Goldikova Stakes, 11:15am/2:15pm

    ----- Start of BC races -----

    Race 4: Filly and Mare Sprint, 12:00pm/3:00pm

    Race 5: Turf Sprint, 12:41pm/3:41pm

    Race 6: Distaff, 1:21pm/4:21pm

    Race 7: Turf, 2:01pm/5:01pm

    Race 8: Classic, 2:41pm/5:41pm

    Race 9: Filly and Mare Turf, 3:25pm/6:25pm

    Race 10: Sprint, 4:05pm/7:05pm

    Race 11: Mile, 4:45pm/7:45pm

    Race 12: Dirt Mile, 5:25pm/8:25pm

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    As I understand it here is Saturday's schedule:

     

    Race 1: The Sunrise, 10:05am/1:05pm

    Race 2: Bayakoa Stakes, 10:40am/1:40pm

    Race 3: Goldikova Stakes, 11:15am/2:15pm

    ----- Start of BC races -----

    Race 4: Filly and Mare Sprint, 12:00pm/3:00pm

    Race 5: Turf Sprint, 12:41pm/3:41pm

    Race 6: Distaff, 1:21pm/4:21pm

    Race 7: Turf, 2:01pm/5:01pm

    Race 8: Classic, 2:41pm/5:41pm

    Race 9: Filly and Mare Turf, 3:25pm/6:25pm

    Race 10: Sprint, 4:05pm/7:05pm

    Race 11: Mile, 4:45pm/7:45pm

    Race 12: Dirt Mile, 5:25pm/8:25pm

     
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    Posted: Oct. 26, 2024 - 3:25 AM ET #6

    Juvenile Turf Sprint

    Speed kills in Del Mar autumn turf sprints
    when the temporary rails are down, as they
    will be for the Juvenile Turf Sprint. The past
    three autumn meets combined, 5 of 9 railsdown
    turf sprints were won by the pacesetter, two
    were won by a horse positioned second or third.

    The truth is, speed has dominated the
    Juvenile Turf Sprint regardless of track. In the
    six-year history of the race, at four different tracks,
    Juvenile Turf Sprint winners include four who led gate
    to wire, and one who pressed from second. The only off
    the-pace Juvenile Turf Sprint winner was Mischief Magic
    in 2022 at Keeneland.

    Juvenile Turf Sprint runners whose last start was in
    Europe were blanked the first three years of the race,
    but the one-two finishers the last three years entered
    off starts in Europe. This year, that group may include
    front-runner/pace-presser Aesterius. He defeated Juvenile
    Turf Sprint candidate Big Mojo by a neck in the Flying
    Childers. The challenge facing Big Mojo is running style.
    He rallies from out of it.

    U.S. candidates include early favorite Governor Sam, a
    speed horse who matches the speed-friendly course/race
    profile. While front-runners hold the edge, late runners
    do complete the exacta. It happened in both recent California
    editions of the Juvenile Turf Sprint. Go Bears Go rallied
    to second at 12-1 in 2021 at Del Mar; Valiant Force rallied
    to second at 23-1 last year at Santa Anita. A late-runner to
    consider for this year’s exacta is Magnum Force.

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    Juvenile Turf Sprint

    Speed kills in Del Mar autumn turf sprints
    when the temporary rails are down, as they
    will be for the Juvenile Turf Sprint. The past
    three autumn meets combined, 5 of 9 railsdown
    turf sprints were won by the pacesetter, two
    were won by a horse positioned second or third.

    The truth is, speed has dominated the
    Juvenile Turf Sprint regardless of track. In the
    six-year history of the race, at four different tracks,
    Juvenile Turf Sprint winners include four who led gate
    to wire, and one who pressed from second. The only off
    the-pace Juvenile Turf Sprint winner was Mischief Magic
    in 2022 at Keeneland.

    Juvenile Turf Sprint runners whose last start was in
    Europe were blanked the first three years of the race,
    but the one-two finishers the last three years entered
    off starts in Europe. This year, that group may include
    front-runner/pace-presser Aesterius. He defeated Juvenile
    Turf Sprint candidate Big Mojo by a neck in the Flying
    Childers. The challenge facing Big Mojo is running style.
    He rallies from out of it.

    U.S. candidates include early favorite Governor Sam, a
    speed horse who matches the speed-friendly course/race
    profile. While front-runners hold the edge, late runners
    do complete the exacta. It happened in both recent California
    editions of the Juvenile Turf Sprint. Go Bears Go rallied
    to second at 12-1 in 2021 at Del Mar; Valiant Force rallied
    to second at 23-1 last year at Santa Anita. A late-runner to
    consider for this year’s exacta is Magnum Force.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 28, 2024 - 11:25 AM ET #7

    Thorpedo  Anna nicked her hip in route to Del Mar.  I will be stunned if she would not be either the race time favorite or second choice.

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    Thorpedo  Anna nicked her hip in route to Del Mar.  I will be stunned if she would not be either the race time favorite or second choice.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 28, 2024 - 11:50 AM ET #8

    Ryan Moore is worked out City of Troy one mile in England on the tapeta surface.  That's worth noting on a couple points.  One, the distance of the workout - most only go 6 furlough to prep for the race.  Two, Ryan Moore is O'Brien's go to jockey, let alone one of the worlds best.

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    Ryan Moore is worked out City of Troy one mile in England on the tapeta surface.  That's worth noting on a couple points.  One, the distance of the workout - most only go 6 furlough to prep for the race.  Two, Ryan Moore is O'Brien's go to jockey, let alone one of the worlds best.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 28, 2024 - 11:51 AM ET #9

    Track personal are impressed with American Bikini 

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    Track personal are impressed with American Bikini 

     
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    Posted: Oct. 28, 2024 - 12:22 PM ET #10

    Draw is later today.  an_dance

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    Draw is later today.  an_dance

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2024 - 12:17 AM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlackKnight:

    Quote Originally Posted by vetdrm: You know your gonna see that 70-1 shot coming in 1st or 2nd in some of these races. Also nice weather predicted for now. Aidan O'briens Lake Victoria and Asmussens Cogburn are likely sure things if your betting style suggests and like to go that route. Even money would be a gift on these two.   I sure hope so!  Weather always needs to be taken into account (thank you for the closer location than I update ).   Adian O'Brien is one of my favorite trainers and have many of his horses in my online stable watch/inform me.  I recall a races in which his runners finished 1,2 and 3 ... TO THE BANK!! Win paid over $150, exact a over $1,000 and trifecta over $5,000 made my day!  ??   I gladly welcome your input and thoughts as could benefit all.   Let's get 'er done!

    How can you NOT wager on Any Adain Obrien trained horses..he's one of the VERY Best European trainers at ANY Breeders Cups..especially his Turf horses..will be awesome to peruse forms tomorrow for Friday races..thx for Both days of racing schedules..love the changes on the schedules..going to make it much more eventful an_cheers

    Let's keep your thread very informative peace

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlackKnight:

    Quote Originally Posted by vetdrm: You know your gonna see that 70-1 shot coming in 1st or 2nd in some of these races. Also nice weather predicted for now. Aidan O'briens Lake Victoria and Asmussens Cogburn are likely sure things if your betting style suggests and like to go that route. Even money would be a gift on these two.   I sure hope so!  Weather always needs to be taken into account (thank you for the closer location than I update ).   Adian O'Brien is one of my favorite trainers and have many of his horses in my online stable watch/inform me.  I recall a races in which his runners finished 1,2 and 3 ... TO THE BANK!! Win paid over $150, exact a over $1,000 and trifecta over $5,000 made my day!  ??   I gladly welcome your input and thoughts as could benefit all.   Let's get 'er done!

    How can you NOT wager on Any Adain Obrien trained horses..he's one of the VERY Best European trainers at ANY Breeders Cups..especially his Turf horses..will be awesome to peruse forms tomorrow for Friday races..thx for Both days of racing schedules..love the changes on the schedules..going to make it much more eventful an_cheers

    Let's keep your thread very informative peace

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2024 - 12:46 AM ET #12

    Quote Originally Posted by Crusher13:

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlackKnight: Quote Originally Posted by vetdrm: You know your gonna see that 70-1 shot coming in 1st or 2nd in some of these races. Also nice weather predicted for now. Aidan O'briens Lake Victoria and Asmussens Cogburn are likely sure things if your betting style suggests and like to go that route. Even money would be a gift on these two.   I sure hope so!  Weather always needs to be taken into account (thank you for the closer location than I update ).   Adian O'Brien is one of my favorite trainers and have many of his horses in my online stable watch/inform me.  I recall a races in which his runners finished 1,2 and 3 ... TO THE BANK!! Win paid over $150, exact a over $1,000 and trifecta over $5,000 made my day!  ??   I gladly welcome your input and thoughts as could benefit all.   Let's get 'er done! How can you NOT wager on Any Adain Obrien trained horses..he's one of the VERY Best European trainers at ANY Breeders Cups..especially his Turf horses..will be awesome to peruse forms tomorrow for Friday races..thx for Both days of racing schedules..love the changes on the schedules..going to make it much more eventful  Let's keep your thread very informative

    Thank you for your kind words.  My belief is to put out the information so others could possibly be more informed.  That race, saved my wallet that day as I had been not able to cash anything that day (until that one).  Glad to help out and like the amount of time between most races - allows one to tweak their game plan depending upon how the track is playing, the weather, who's hot/cold, etc.  Having the Classic moved, for tv purposes, allows that race to be in TWO pick fives (last race in one, first in other) which can allow additional strategies.  Hopefully the pre race selections will  make it to the post parade and gate/load without becoming a late scratch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusher13:

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlackKnight: Quote Originally Posted by vetdrm: You know your gonna see that 70-1 shot coming in 1st or 2nd in some of these races. Also nice weather predicted for now. Aidan O'briens Lake Victoria and Asmussens Cogburn are likely sure things if your betting style suggests and like to go that route. Even money would be a gift on these two.   I sure hope so!  Weather always needs to be taken into account (thank you for the closer location than I update ).   Adian O'Brien is one of my favorite trainers and have many of his horses in my online stable watch/inform me.  I recall a races in which his runners finished 1,2 and 3 ... TO THE BANK!! Win paid over $150, exact a over $1,000 and trifecta over $5,000 made my day!  ??   I gladly welcome your input and thoughts as could benefit all.   Let's get 'er done! How can you NOT wager on Any Adain Obrien trained horses..he's one of the VERY Best European trainers at ANY Breeders Cups..especially his Turf horses..will be awesome to peruse forms tomorrow for Friday races..thx for Both days of racing schedules..love the changes on the schedules..going to make it much more eventful  Let's keep your thread very informative

    Thank you for your kind words.  My belief is to put out the information so others could possibly be more informed.  That race, saved my wallet that day as I had been not able to cash anything that day (until that one).  Glad to help out and like the amount of time between most races - allows one to tweak their game plan depending upon how the track is playing, the weather, who's hot/cold, etc.  Having the Classic moved, for tv purposes, allows that race to be in TWO pick fives (last race in one, first in other) which can allow additional strategies.  Hopefully the pre race selections will  make it to the post parade and gate/load without becoming a late scratch.

     
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    City of Troy took to the dirt today.  He skipped, glided and seemed to flow on/over it.  It was, also, known DMRC ADDED dirt/sand in an attempt to deepen the surface, yet City of Troy's work over it was not affected.  Presuming he comes out of the workout without issue, for me, will be extremely difficult to leave off my tickets let alone in multies and exotic keys.  So far, of all the workouts I've seen for this year's Breeders Cup races, there has not been any better.  The flip of this would be, will he have left it on the track/peaked to soon.  The post parade will help answer that for me.

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    City of Troy took to the dirt today.  He skipped, glided and seemed to flow on/over it.  It was, also, known DMRC ADDED dirt/sand in an attempt to deepen the surface, yet City of Troy's work over it was not affected.  Presuming he comes out of the workout without issue, for me, will be extremely difficult to leave off my tickets let alone in multies and exotic keys.  So far, of all the workouts I've seen for this year's Breeders Cup races, there has not been any better.  The flip of this would be, will he have left it on the track/peaked to soon.  The post parade will help answer that for me.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2024 - 11:49 AM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlackKnight:

    Thorpedo  Anna nicked her hip in route to Del Mar.  I will be stunned if she would not be either the race time favorite or second choice.

     

    Word going around is she's doing well but has swelling.  Morning line of less than even money, the other serious contender out, she will remain the race favorite.  To get value, if she were to win, one will need to hit exotics and/or multies.  In the event she doesn't win, the payoffs should be of quality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlackKnight:

    Thorpedo  Anna nicked her hip in route to Del Mar.  I will be stunned if she would not be either the race time favorite or second choice.

     

    Word going around is she's doing well but has swelling.  Morning line of less than even money, the other serious contender out, she will remain the race favorite.  To get value, if she were to win, one will need to hit exotics and/or multies.  In the event she doesn't win, the payoffs should be of quality.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 29, 2024 - 7:44 PM ET #15

     

    Don't miss out on TVG's Money Back Special on select

    races at Del Mar on Thursday, Friday and Saturday.

    Thursday, October 31: Races 4, 6, 8, 9

    Friday, November 1: Races 6, 7, 8, 9, 10

    Saturday, November 2: Races 4, 6, 7, 8, 11, 12

     

    Kind of nice.  There's a limit and it's only your

    first WIN (only) wager.  If it finishes second or

    third, you'll get it refunded.

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    Don't miss out on TVG's Money Back Special on select

    races at Del Mar on Thursday, Friday and Saturday.

    Thursday, October 31: Races 4, 6, 8, 9

    Friday, November 1: Races 6, 7, 8, 9, 10

    Saturday, November 2: Races 4, 6, 7, 8, 11, 12

     

    Kind of nice.  There's a limit and it's only your

    first WIN (only) wager.  If it finishes second or

    third, you'll get it refunded.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 30, 2024 - 10:37 AM ET #16

    up to 10 dollars...an_wink

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    up to 10 dollars...an_wink

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigred84:

    up to 10 dollars...

    Many thanks, just couldn't recall the amount.  peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigred84:

    up to 10 dollars...

    Many thanks, just couldn't recall the amount.  peace_5

     
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    Posted: Oct. 30, 2024 - 1:10 PM ET #18

    Here is a partial scratch list:

    FRIDAY

    Race 6: #1 Out on Bail

    Race 7: #7 Non Compliant

    Race 10: #10 Tenacious Leader

    I'm. sure there are others and will be more.

    clover

     

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    Here is a partial scratch list:

    FRIDAY

    Race 6: #1 Out on Bail

    Race 7: #7 Non Compliant

    Race 10: #10 Tenacious Leader

    I'm. sure there are others and will be more.

    clover

     

     
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    @TheBlackKnight

    I watched a show on youtube with randy moss and jerry bailey where they said that City of Troy is a turf horse and looks it compared to others in the race but the stat that they shared was that trainer Aidan O'Brien is a Great Turf trainer but when bringing a turf horse to the dirt his record is 2 - 75!!!!!!

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    @TheBlackKnight

    I watched a show on youtube with randy moss and jerry bailey where they said that City of Troy is a turf horse and looks it compared to others in the race but the stat that they shared was that trainer Aidan O'Brien is a Great Turf trainer but when bringing a turf horse to the dirt his record is 2 - 75!!!!!!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by garywpt:

    @TheBlackKnight I watched a show on youtube with randy moss and jerry bailey where they said that City of Troy is a turf horse and looks it compared to others in the race but the stat that they shared was that trainer Aidan O'Brien is a Great Turf trainer but when bringing a turf horse to the dirt his record is 2 - 75!!!!!!

    Hi garywpt,

    I understand the concerns people have about him.  I'll be watching that later tonight.  In Europe over 99% of the races are turf as such they excel at them.  The dirt breeding is present, but not as strong as others in the race, but I have seen his workouts over the track and it seems he's taking to it well.  Does that mean he's going to win?  I don't know but when the trainer regarded as one of the top three in the world, says this is the best he's ever trained, it gets my attention.  I also watched his mile workout on a tapeta surface and he handled it well.

     

    To me, as of right now, I could make a strong case for ten of the horses winning.  Funny thing is, they all would be used in various wagers.  It should be an entertaining race but, to me, it's just one race of the 2000+ I wager upon yearly.  I hope you and others have cash positive weekend wagering the Breeders Cup.  peace_5

     

    clover

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    Quote Originally Posted by garywpt:

    @TheBlackKnight I watched a show on youtube with randy moss and jerry bailey where they said that City of Troy is a turf horse and looks it compared to others in the race but the stat that they shared was that trainer Aidan O'Brien is a Great Turf trainer but when bringing a turf horse to the dirt his record is 2 - 75!!!!!!

    Hi garywpt,

    I understand the concerns people have about him.  I'll be watching that later tonight.  In Europe over 99% of the races are turf as such they excel at them.  The dirt breeding is present, but not as strong as others in the race, but I have seen his workouts over the track and it seems he's taking to it well.  Does that mean he's going to win?  I don't know but when the trainer regarded as one of the top three in the world, says this is the best he's ever trained, it gets my attention.  I also watched his mile workout on a tapeta surface and he handled it well.

     

    To me, as of right now, I could make a strong case for ten of the horses winning.  Funny thing is, they all would be used in various wagers.  It should be an entertaining race but, to me, it's just one race of the 2000+ I wager upon yearly.  I hope you and others have cash positive weekend wagering the Breeders Cup.  peace_5

     

    clover

     
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    Good luck this weekend pal and thanks for the good info. ill Just throw in my two cents on one race,the Classic.
    Surprised at the size of City Of Troy. I thought he’d be bigger. Will he take to the dirt on his daddy’s side (justified) or dam side (Together forever ) and prefer the turf?

    I don’t know and at that price I will be  looking elsewhere. The horse I’m looking at came in third in the Kentucky Derby after having a terrible trip and getting mugged by Sierra Leone. That was his only loss out of seven starts. I love his trainer and already has a couple of   BC wins under his belt. ml 6-1 is a decent price, not sure if that’ll hold though. But he’s won  all over the world on different types of track at different distances.

    Little concern about the one hole but because of his ability to adjust it should be no problem getting out quickly if need be. Gl peace_5

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    Good luck this weekend pal and thanks for the good info. ill Just throw in my two cents on one race,the Classic.
    Surprised at the size of City Of Troy. I thought he’d be bigger. Will he take to the dirt on his daddy’s side (justified) or dam side (Together forever ) and prefer the turf?

    I don’t know and at that price I will be  looking elsewhere. The horse I’m looking at came in third in the Kentucky Derby after having a terrible trip and getting mugged by Sierra Leone. That was his only loss out of seven starts. I love his trainer and already has a couple of   BC wins under his belt. ml 6-1 is a decent price, not sure if that’ll hold though. But he’s won  all over the world on different types of track at different distances.

    Little concern about the one hole but because of his ability to adjust it should be no problem getting out quickly if need be. Gl peace_5

     
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    Posted: Oct. 31, 2024 - 9:46 PM ET #22

    Quote Originally Posted by vetdrm:

    Good luck this weekend pal and thanks for the good info. ill Just throw in my two cents on one race,the Classic. Surprised at the size of City Of Troy. I thought he’d be bigger. Will he take to the dirt on his daddy’s side (justified) or dam side (Together forever ) and prefer the turf? I don’t know and at that price I will be  looking elsewhere. The horse I’m looking at came in third in the Kentucky Derby after having a terrible trip and getting mugged by Sierra Leone. That was his only loss out of seven starts. I love his trainer and already has a couple of   BC wins under his belt. ml 6-1 is a decent price, not sure if that’ll hold though. But he’s won  all over the world on different types of track at different distances. Little concern about the one hole but because of his ability to adjust it should be no problem getting out quickly if need be. Gl

     

    Thank you and too you ad well.  You're welcome, information helps all.  City of Troy has worked well over the track and unless it pours making the track sloppy it will be very tough for me to not see him in the top five (Super High 5 Tickets).  I read your reasoning for the one and fully understand it and can tell you, he's on my short list along with Derma.  The seven and nine, as of right now, look to be the other main contenders, to me.  I think they have Forever Young lay back, slide out to the 3 or 4 path heading into the clubhouse turn (so he won't get pinched/pinned and work his way to the rail saving ground advancing forward slightly up the backstretch and upon the far turn, remember Del Mar has a short stretch, is let loose.   He's shown he can take the dirt.  

     

    As the track plays Friday and Saturday, along with the odds and weather,  will determine my final wagers.  The under card each day, to me, provides insight into the races later in the card.

     

    One thing is certain, we're in for a very competitive race.

     

    clover

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    Quote Originally Posted by vetdrm:

    Good luck this weekend pal and thanks for the good info. ill Just throw in my two cents on one race,the Classic. Surprised at the size of City Of Troy. I thought he’d be bigger. Will he take to the dirt on his daddy’s side (justified) or dam side (Together forever ) and prefer the turf? I don’t know and at that price I will be  looking elsewhere. The horse I’m looking at came in third in the Kentucky Derby after having a terrible trip and getting mugged by Sierra Leone. That was his only loss out of seven starts. I love his trainer and already has a couple of   BC wins under his belt. ml 6-1 is a decent price, not sure if that’ll hold though. But he’s won  all over the world on different types of track at different distances. Little concern about the one hole but because of his ability to adjust it should be no problem getting out quickly if need be. Gl

     

    Thank you and too you ad well.  You're welcome, information helps all.  City of Troy has worked well over the track and unless it pours making the track sloppy it will be very tough for me to not see him in the top five (Super High 5 Tickets).  I read your reasoning for the one and fully understand it and can tell you, he's on my short list along with Derma.  The seven and nine, as of right now, look to be the other main contenders, to me.  I think they have Forever Young lay back, slide out to the 3 or 4 path heading into the clubhouse turn (so he won't get pinched/pinned and work his way to the rail saving ground advancing forward slightly up the backstretch and upon the far turn, remember Del Mar has a short stretch, is let loose.   He's shown he can take the dirt.  

     

    As the track plays Friday and Saturday, along with the odds and weather,  will determine my final wagers.  The under card each day, to me, provides insight into the races later in the card.

     

    One thing is certain, we're in for a very competitive race.

     

    clover

     
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    Posted: Oct. 31, 2024 - 10:19 PM ET #23

    Here is my overnight Friday Breeders Cup Day Sheet:

    Race 6

    Tier 1: 7,11,12

    Tier 2: 2,3,4

    Tier 3: 8,9

     

    Race 7

    Contenders: 1,3,4,8,9

     

    Race 8

    Main: 1,7,8

    Contenders : 2,3,6,10,12,13

     

    Race 9

    Contenders: 2,6,7,10

     

    Race 10

    Tier 1: 4,5,12,13

    Tier 2: 1,2,3,6

     

    Let me be very clear, these are the horses I like at this time and most likely be the ones I wager on.  I do not know what each race will have at this point.

     

    On large days, like this weekend, many non-regular horse wagering people will add their money to the pools.  Many will follow/tail the guy/gal on the screen/tv because "if they're on the screen/tv they must be smart/good", as a general rule I've noticed these people 99% of the time give out one of the top three odds choices at the current time.  The sheep follow, lowering that horses win price while at that point focusing on place wagers that will pay more than the win (other horse).  Some don't get that about me, which is okay, if I can cash three plus place tickets (behind the chalk) and get one to three other winner, I've had a very good day. 

    Wagering is about making money, not getting the most correct.  A perfect example is this past World Series, I had a losing record but made 870.  I'll also state, if a particular tv person selects one of my choices, I remove them from my play list.

     

    Know your strengths and wager to them with confidence and use money management (stick to your budget for each race - don't borrow money from race 7 for race 4 because you're down, it happens).  

     

    I hope to update Friday's list after track changes but I have horse related things to take care off and don't know how long they will take.

     

    Wager well!  clover

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    Here is my overnight Friday Breeders Cup Day Sheet:

    Race 6

    Tier 1: 7,11,12

    Tier 2: 2,3,4

    Tier 3: 8,9

     

    Race 7

    Contenders: 1,3,4,8,9

     

    Race 8

    Main: 1,7,8

    Contenders : 2,3,6,10,12,13

     

    Race 9

    Contenders: 2,6,7,10

     

    Race 10

    Tier 1: 4,5,12,13

    Tier 2: 1,2,3,6

     

    Let me be very clear, these are the horses I like at this time and most likely be the ones I wager on.  I do not know what each race will have at this point.

     

    On large days, like this weekend, many non-regular horse wagering people will add their money to the pools.  Many will follow/tail the guy/gal on the screen/tv because "if they're on the screen/tv they must be smart/good", as a general rule I've noticed these people 99% of the time give out one of the top three odds choices at the current time.  The sheep follow, lowering that horses win price while at that point focusing on place wagers that will pay more than the win (other horse).  Some don't get that about me, which is okay, if I can cash three plus place tickets (behind the chalk) and get one to three other winner, I've had a very good day. 

    Wagering is about making money, not getting the most correct.  A perfect example is this past World Series, I had a losing record but made 870.  I'll also state, if a particular tv person selects one of my choices, I remove them from my play list.

     

    Know your strengths and wager to them with confidence and use money management (stick to your budget for each race - don't borrow money from race 7 for race 4 because you're down, it happens).  

     

    I hope to update Friday's list after track changes but I have horse related things to take care off and don't know how long they will take.

     

    Wager well!  clover

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlackKnight:

    Here is my overnight Friday Breeders Cup Day Sheet: Race 6 Tier 1: 7,11,12 Tier 2: 2,3,4 Tier 3: 8,9   Race 7 Contenders: 1,3,4,8,9   Race 8 Main: 1,7,8 Contenders : 2,3,6,10,12,13   Race 9 Contenders: 2,6,7,10   Race 10 Tier 1: 4,5,12,13 Tier 2: 1,2,3,6   

    Race 6: 4-5-10-3, 4 was a Tier 2 selection

    Race 7: 3-1-5-10, 3 (and 1) were contenders

    Race 8: 1-12-2-11, 1 was Main Contender, 12 & 2 were contenders

    Race 9: 6-7-3-2, 6 was considered, as was 7

    Race 10: 13-6-12-11, 13 was a Tier 1 selection, 6 was from Tier 2, 12 was a Tier 1 selection

    Tickets cashed, others didn't.  Hope you ended day one on the positive side of the ledger.  Saturday's selections to be posted later but most likely in the morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlackKnight:

    Here is my overnight Friday Breeders Cup Day Sheet: Race 6 Tier 1: 7,11,12 Tier 2: 2,3,4 Tier 3: 8,9   Race 7 Contenders: 1,3,4,8,9   Race 8 Main: 1,7,8 Contenders : 2,3,6,10,12,13   Race 9 Contenders: 2,6,7,10   Race 10 Tier 1: 4,5,12,13 Tier 2: 1,2,3,6   

    Race 6: 4-5-10-3, 4 was a Tier 2 selection

    Race 7: 3-1-5-10, 3 (and 1) were contenders

    Race 8: 1-12-2-11, 1 was Main Contender, 12 & 2 were contenders

    Race 9: 6-7-3-2, 6 was considered, as was 7

    Race 10: 13-6-12-11, 13 was a Tier 1 selection, 6 was from Tier 2, 12 was a Tier 1 selection

    Tickets cashed, others didn't.  Hope you ended day one on the positive side of the ledger.  Saturday's selections to be posted later but most likely in the morning.

     
     
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    Here are some observations from Friday (all races 1-10):

    No trainer won back to back races

    No jockey won back to back races

    The public's top choice won five races

    Only one race had a gate to wire winner

    Three winners used ES/EP

    Three winners were steady gainers

    Two winners came used middle moves

     

    Japanese runners did not fair well

     

    In other words, horses who were "closers" did not fair well.

    Remember, Del Mar has a short stretch and that favors front style runners.

    What will Saturday bring?

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    Here are some observations from Friday (all races 1-10):

    No trainer won back to back races

    No jockey won back to back races

    The public's top choice won five races

    Only one race had a gate to wire winner

    Three winners used ES/EP

    Three winners were steady gainers

    Two winners came used middle moves

     

    Japanese runners did not fair well

     

    In other words, horses who were "closers" did not fair well.

    Remember, Del Mar has a short stretch and that favors front style runners.

    What will Saturday bring?

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