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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2011 - 10:24 AM ET #376

    One last thing, it is official now....

    You would have to either be crazy, or have extremely high junk bond risk tolerance to have a dollar in a book that accepts Americans right now.

    Support your local animal shelter. I am on twitter.
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    One last thing, it is official now....

    You would have to either be crazy, or have extremely high junk bond risk tolerance to have a dollar in a book that accepts Americans right now.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2011 - 10:30 AM ET #377

    fuckin ridiculous.  i just have a little money in 5dimes right now. i guess i'm just going to keep something in there and ride it out to the end so i have something to play with.  

    something has to give though. i can't believe there won't be online options for such a huge degenerate market.  
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    fuckin ridiculous.  i just have a little money in 5dimes right now. i guess i'm just going to keep something in there and ride it out to the end so i have something to play with.  

    something has to give though. i can't believe there won't be online options for such a huge degenerate market.  
     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2011 - 10:32 AM ET #378

    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    fuckin ridiculous.  i just have a little money in 5dimes right now. i guess i'm just going to keep something in there and ride it out to the end so i have something to play with.  

    something has to give though. i can't believe there won't be online options for such a huge degenerate market.  

    I think it is at least 50/50 that 5dimes and BM will follow suit within 30 days.

    It is just fucking ridiculous.

    Support your local animal shelter. I am on twitter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    fuckin ridiculous.  i just have a little money in 5dimes right now. i guess i'm just going to keep something in there and ride it out to the end so i have something to play with.  

    something has to give though. i can't believe there won't be online options for such a huge degenerate market.  

    I think it is at least 50/50 that 5dimes and BM will follow suit within 30 days.

    It is just fucking ridiculous.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2011 - 10:43 AM ET #379

    This is definetly worst than what happened with poker sites.  They cant take sports gambling away from us.
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    This is definetly worst than what happened with poker sites.  They cant take sports gambling away from us.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2011 - 10:44 AM ET #380

    i have no doubt.  i cashed out of betphoenix a couple of weeks ago and left some in the greek and 5dimes just to play with but i've basically written that money off.  
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    i have no doubt.  i cashed out of betphoenix a couple of weeks ago and left some in the greek and 5dimes just to play with but i've basically written that money off.  
     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2011 - 10:57 AM ET #381

    Look at covers ads on the sides and tops of the pages.

    No more sportsbooks.  Plenty of Dell, Chevy, and Blue Cross Blue Shield - but no gambling.

    Sad.

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    Look at covers ads on the sides and tops of the pages.

    No more sportsbooks.  Plenty of Dell, Chevy, and Blue Cross Blue Shield - but no gambling.

    Sad.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2011 - 11:35 AM ET #382

    Why is everyone freaking out about this. This is not the first time this has happened. Just deposit small amounts 100-500 and make sure to us a good book( a book that has been in business for over 10 years) Do your homework. The US has bigger and better things to worry about.
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    Why is everyone freaking out about this. This is not the first time this has happened. Just deposit small amounts 100-500 and make sure to us a good book( a book that has been in business for over 10 years) Do your homework. The US has bigger and better things to worry about.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2011 - 11:36 AM ET #383

    Why is everyone freaking out about this. This is not the first time this has happened. Just deposit small amounts 100-500 and make sure to us a good book( a book that has been in business for over 10 years) Do your homework. The US has bigger and better things to worry about.
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    Why is everyone freaking out about this. This is not the first time this has happened. Just deposit small amounts 100-500 and make sure to us a good book( a book that has been in business for over 10 years) Do your homework. The US has bigger and better things to worry about.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2011 - 11:41 AM ET #384

    Unreal Van... you want to talk about waking up to some really bad news.


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    Unreal Van... you want to talk about waking up to some really bad news.


     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2011 - 12:06 PM ET #385

    I just made a very small deposit to JustBet which Covers has recommended. They are in Costa Rica. We'll see how long they last. They even took a credit card, so they have some processor still willing. Only a matter of time until they close I suppose.

    Looks like we'll all be playing pay-for-play Fantasy Football this year to get our ya ya's. So  why can't they make Fantasy more like choosing sides and point spreads and over and unders?
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    I just made a very small deposit to JustBet which Covers has recommended. They are in Costa Rica. We'll see how long they last. They even took a credit card, so they have some processor still willing. Only a matter of time until they close I suppose.

    Looks like we'll all be playing pay-for-play Fantasy Football this year to get our ya ya's. So  why can't they make Fantasy more like choosing sides and point spreads and over and unders?
     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2011 - 12:12 PM ET #386

    If I'm a local, this is the best news of the year.... once the rock falls and 5dimes is gone -- and unless I am incorrect, I think we have to be honest with ourselves that 5dimes is the next in line to fall and inevitably will -- locals will rule the world once again. Goodbye reduced juice, goodbye good lines. More people will be wagering with credit rather than post up... the ripple effects of this will be unimaginable.
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    If I'm a local, this is the best news of the year.... once the rock falls and 5dimes is gone -- and unless I am incorrect, I think we have to be honest with ourselves that 5dimes is the next in line to fall and inevitably will -- locals will rule the world once again. Goodbye reduced juice, goodbye good lines. More people will be wagering with credit rather than post up... the ripple effects of this will be unimaginable.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2011 - 12:16 PM ET #387

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    One last thing, it is official now....

    You would have to either be crazy, or have extremely high junk bond risk tolerance to have a dollar in a book that accepts Americans right now.





    Agree 100%
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    One last thing, it is official now....

    You would have to either be crazy, or have extremely high junk bond risk tolerance to have a dollar in a book that accepts Americans right now.





    Agree 100%
     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2011 - 12:17 PM ET #388

    5 dimes has to be next.  i think they are following me.  

    anyway, i can't believe this is the end though.  what bullshit law like this ever works?  our government, particularly in the area of law enforcement, is reactionary, never ahead of the curve, and does a poor job on a large scale.  the war on drugs may be a comparison.  anyone can go buy the drug of their choice at any time and it would be extremely difficult to get caught.  sec regulations, insider trading laws, those get violated daily and almost no one gets caught.  

    there's too much money here for this not to settle down to some sort of reasonable solution for us.  
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    5 dimes has to be next.  i think they are following me.  

    anyway, i can't believe this is the end though.  what bullshit law like this ever works?  our government, particularly in the area of law enforcement, is reactionary, never ahead of the curve, and does a poor job on a large scale.  the war on drugs may be a comparison.  anyone can go buy the drug of their choice at any time and it would be extremely difficult to get caught.  sec regulations, insider trading laws, those get violated daily and almost no one gets caught.  

    there's too much money here for this not to settle down to some sort of reasonable solution for us.  
     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2011 - 12:24 PM ET #389

    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    If I'm a local, this is the best news of the year.... once the rock falls and 5dimes is gone -- and unless I am incorrect, I think we have to be honest with ourselves that 5dimes is the next in line to fall and inevitably will -- locals will rule the world once again. Goodbye reduced juice, goodbye good lines. More people will be wagering with credit rather than post up... the ripple effects of this will be unimaginable.


    Called a local that is pretty big & told him about this & his reply was, "im love it" & "I knew this would happen after the poker rooms went down". He is anticipating alot more money to be wagered as well as those "sucker bets, parlays", he says this is the best news hes heard in a while.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    If I'm a local, this is the best news of the year.... once the rock falls and 5dimes is gone -- and unless I am incorrect, I think we have to be honest with ourselves that 5dimes is the next in line to fall and inevitably will -- locals will rule the world once again. Goodbye reduced juice, goodbye good lines. More people will be wagering with credit rather than post up... the ripple effects of this will be unimaginable.


    Called a local that is pretty big & told him about this & his reply was, "im love it" & "I knew this would happen after the poker rooms went down". He is anticipating alot more money to be wagered as well as those "sucker bets, parlays", he says this is the best news hes heard in a while.


     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2011 - 12:24 PM ET #390

    The timing is interesting. Just as the NFL strike is "settled." 

    They want to stop the flow if $ overseas. Pure and simple. Can't blame them. Just give us a U.S. book. 

    Let Vegas serve the whole country online and give Uncle Sam a slice of the pie, and if those few who actually win pay their taxes, everything's cool. 

    Sounds good, but the Pro sports leagues and the NCAA will fight it tooth and nail.
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    The timing is interesting. Just as the NFL strike is "settled." 

    They want to stop the flow if $ overseas. Pure and simple. Can't blame them. Just give us a U.S. book. 

    Let Vegas serve the whole country online and give Uncle Sam a slice of the pie, and if those few who actually win pay their taxes, everything's cool. 

    Sounds good, but the Pro sports leagues and the NCAA will fight it tooth and nail.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2011 - 12:24 PM ET #391

    back to locals but i really never left
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    back to locals but i really never left
     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2011 - 12:34 PM ET #392

    Here's the problem though if the government takes a piece of the action on taxes, and maybe someone better versed in this field like Van can amend what I am saying if I am wrong -- won't that essentially just make it so that instead of laying -110 on a normal play, you are effectively laying -120 or -125 or something because you will get taxed on the win? I mean is that situation even remotely better than what most people have with their locals right now?
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    Here's the problem though if the government takes a piece of the action on taxes, and maybe someone better versed in this field like Van can amend what I am saying if I am wrong -- won't that essentially just make it so that instead of laying -110 on a normal play, you are effectively laying -120 or -125 or something because you will get taxed on the win? I mean is that situation even remotely better than what most people have with their locals right now?
     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2011 - 12:40 PM ET #393

    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    Here's the problem though if the government takes a piece of the action on taxes, and maybe someone better versed in this field like Van can amend what I am saying if I am wrong -- won't that essentially just make it so that instead of laying -110 on a normal play, you are effectively laying -120 or -125 or something because you will get taxed on the win? I mean is that situation even remotely better than what most people have with their locals right now?

    No that won't work. They would just have to take a piece of Vegas' profits at -110. I think they realize not too many would pay 
    -115 or -120 on a regular basis. So the days of reduced juice would be gone.

    But again, the Pro Sports Leagues and NCAA will oppose it so it may never happen. Still, they couldn't stop and haven't shut down Nevada sports gambling. So, maybe the only way it comes on shore is state by state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    Here's the problem though if the government takes a piece of the action on taxes, and maybe someone better versed in this field like Van can amend what I am saying if I am wrong -- won't that essentially just make it so that instead of laying -110 on a normal play, you are effectively laying -120 or -125 or something because you will get taxed on the win? I mean is that situation even remotely better than what most people have with their locals right now?

    No that won't work. They would just have to take a piece of Vegas' profits at -110. I think they realize not too many would pay 
    -115 or -120 on a regular basis. So the days of reduced juice would be gone.

    But again, the Pro Sports Leagues and NCAA will oppose it so it may never happen. Still, they couldn't stop and haven't shut down Nevada sports gambling. So, maybe the only way it comes on shore is state by state.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2011 - 1:08 PM ET #394

    Vanzack,

    I have $900 in my Greek Account. WTF. No advance warning?

    What do you know about Heritage?

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    Vanzack,

    I have $900 in my Greek Account. WTF. No advance warning?

    What do you know about Heritage?

     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2011 - 1:24 PM ET #395

    Vanzack correct me if i am wrong but you mentioned that you use European books.  Is that correct?
    Can you take us thru the process how to go about getting one?
    DO you need an address in Europe? Bank account? 
    Your info would help
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    Vanzack correct me if i am wrong but you mentioned that you use European books.  Is that correct?
    Can you take us thru the process how to go about getting one?
    DO you need an address in Europe? Bank account? 
    Your info would help
     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2011 - 2:21 PM ET #396

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaya:

    Why is everyone freaking out about this. This is not the first time this has happened. Just deposit small amounts 100-500 and make sure to us a good book( a book that has been in business for over 10 years) Do your homework. The US has bigger and better things to worry about.

    Everyone is "freaking out about this" because it totally makes it impossible for certain types of gamblers to wager on sports.  Its great that you can deposit 100-500 bucks at any book that charges any price (-110, -120...), but lots of folks actually care about things like risk and prices, and bet more than 20 bucks a game.

    That is not disparaging you at all - you are perfectly allowed to do what you do - but to pretend like because you are fine that everyone is fine - and untouched by all of this - is totally naive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaya:

    Why is everyone freaking out about this. This is not the first time this has happened. Just deposit small amounts 100-500 and make sure to us a good book( a book that has been in business for over 10 years) Do your homework. The US has bigger and better things to worry about.

    Everyone is "freaking out about this" because it totally makes it impossible for certain types of gamblers to wager on sports.  Its great that you can deposit 100-500 bucks at any book that charges any price (-110, -120...), but lots of folks actually care about things like risk and prices, and bet more than 20 bucks a game.

    That is not disparaging you at all - you are perfectly allowed to do what you do - but to pretend like because you are fine that everyone is fine - and untouched by all of this - is totally naive.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2011 - 2:22 PM ET #397

    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    Unreal Van... you want to talk about waking up to some really bad news.


    You know whats funny Kap?

    I wake up every day EXPECTING these things.  But even with that, I am also amazed that the Greek caved.

    It is totally sickening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    Unreal Van... you want to talk about waking up to some really bad news.


    You know whats funny Kap?

    I wake up every day EXPECTING these things.  But even with that, I am also amazed that the Greek caved.

    It is totally sickening.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2011 - 2:23 PM ET #398

    Quote Originally Posted by Barnstorm:

    I just made a very small deposit to JustBet which Covers has recommended. They are in Costa Rica. We'll see how long they last. They even took a credit card, so they have some processor still willing. Only a matter of time until they close I suppose.

    Looks like we'll all be playing pay-for-play Fantasy Football this year to get our ya ya's. So  why can't they make Fantasy more like choosing sides and point spreads and over and unders?

    Like I said above - if you are a rec gambler - just want somewhere to make a bet, are price INsensitive, and are willing to take on the risk - you will always have somewhere to bet.  There is a slice of the pie that fits this profile.

    Unfortunately, there is also a larger slice that is totally fucked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barnstorm:

    I just made a very small deposit to JustBet which Covers has recommended. They are in Costa Rica. We'll see how long they last. They even took a credit card, so they have some processor still willing. Only a matter of time until they close I suppose.

    Looks like we'll all be playing pay-for-play Fantasy Football this year to get our ya ya's. So  why can't they make Fantasy more like choosing sides and point spreads and over and unders?

    Like I said above - if you are a rec gambler - just want somewhere to make a bet, are price INsensitive, and are willing to take on the risk - you will always have somewhere to bet.  There is a slice of the pie that fits this profile.

    Unfortunately, there is also a larger slice that is totally fucked.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2011 - 2:25 PM ET #399

    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    Here's the problem though if the government takes a piece of the action on taxes, and maybe someone better versed in this field like Van can amend what I am saying if I am wrong -- won't that essentially just make it so that instead of laying -110 on a normal play, you are effectively laying -120 or -125 or something because you will get taxed on the win? I mean is that situation even remotely better than what most people have with their locals right now?

    Certainly why you might make the argument that the overhead of Vegas, along with their tax liabilities - are exactly why they ALREADY charge outrageous house holds on sports.

    The taxes would come from profits, but in order to hit profit goals, you simply will have to make more money in order to make the same profit when you add in tax liability.  So that is a longwinded way of saying you are probably right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    Here's the problem though if the government takes a piece of the action on taxes, and maybe someone better versed in this field like Van can amend what I am saying if I am wrong -- won't that essentially just make it so that instead of laying -110 on a normal play, you are effectively laying -120 or -125 or something because you will get taxed on the win? I mean is that situation even remotely better than what most people have with their locals right now?

    Certainly why you might make the argument that the overhead of Vegas, along with their tax liabilities - are exactly why they ALREADY charge outrageous house holds on sports.

    The taxes would come from profits, but in order to hit profit goals, you simply will have to make more money in order to make the same profit when you add in tax liability.  So that is a longwinded way of saying you are probably right.

     
     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2011 - 2:29 PM ET #400

    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    5 dimes has to be next.  i think they are following me.  

    anyway, i can't believe this is the end though.  what bullshit law like this ever works?  our government, particularly in the area of law enforcement, is reactionary, never ahead of the curve, and does a poor job on a large scale.  the war on drugs may be a comparison.  anyone can go buy the drug of their choice at any time and it would be extremely difficult to get caught.  sec regulations, insider trading laws, those get violated daily and almost no one gets caught.  

    there's too much money here for this not to settle down to some sort of reasonable solution for us.  

    It is not the end.

    But just like Marijuana, the only thing that keeps the price where it is for a weed is that it is illegal and scarce. 

    The balance of power between book and player has sharply turned to books in the last year, and the player has no power whatsoever.  Want to bet online?  You have no power - NOTHING - you have to accept anything they throw at you - and you have to accept all of the risk - and all of the cost.

    So while there will always be somewhere to bet (I agree with you), "bettting" is not the only goal.  There will be no competition on lines, prices, risk - basically you have to accept far worse conditions for every wager you make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    5 dimes has to be next.  i think they are following me.  

    anyway, i can't believe this is the end though.  what bullshit law like this ever works?  our government, particularly in the area of law enforcement, is reactionary, never ahead of the curve, and does a poor job on a large scale.  the war on drugs may be a comparison.  anyone can go buy the drug of their choice at any time and it would be extremely difficult to get caught.  sec regulations, insider trading laws, those get violated daily and almost no one gets caught.  

    there's too much money here for this not to settle down to some sort of reasonable solution for us.  

    It is not the end.

    But just like Marijuana, the only thing that keeps the price where it is for a weed is that it is illegal and scarce. 

    The balance of power between book and player has sharply turned to books in the last year, and the player has no power whatsoever.  Want to bet online?  You have no power - NOTHING - you have to accept anything they throw at you - and you have to accept all of the risk - and all of the cost.

    So while there will always be somewhere to bet (I agree with you), "bettting" is not the only goal.  There will be no competition on lines, prices, risk - basically you have to accept far worse conditions for every wager you make.

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