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14daroad

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Posted: Jul. 18, 2013 - 6:54 PM ET #26

Quote Originally Posted by TyDarius:

Knowledge is power and we never stop learning, so thank you. Just curious, what happens if an intruder breaks in and steals a pair of shoes and runs off, can you shoot him as he's in your driveway trying to get away? Just curious. I'm most certain in Cali, you can't, but have heard in Texas, they don't play you can shoot at anytime, is that true? shot, lol

You would be well served to not shoot anyone in your driveway in that scenario. The best option is one where you do not go trial.

TyDarius

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Posted: Jul. 18, 2013 - 6:56 PM ET #27

Quote Originally Posted by Slovak:

It really only proves that whites are not doing nearly as much of the attacking as the black folk are.

You cant get mad when whites are not statistically involved with the majority of the crime.

trust me, I'm not mad at all, I surround myself with good people of all ethnicites, Good is good and bad is bad, and there's good and bad in all races. I don't tolerate racist white people just as I don't tolerate ignorant black people. I fear the same black folks as many whites do, just as they fear many ignorant or redneck or thug white people just as some black people do.

14daroad

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Posted: Jul. 18, 2013 - 6:57 PM ET #28

Quote Originally Posted by TyDarius:

Then why does the gun have to be unloaded for transport if you're allowed to use it? When you say unloaded? Why do the bullets have to be?

Because the law calls for it to be securely encased.

So say you rolled up to a red light and had your gun in a locked gun case and 2 hoods strolled up to your car and started rocking it and shouting "get the eff out, we takin' it for a ride" you can un-secure the firearm and if they broke the window and grabbed you, BANG!

Justified.

I don't know the law requires it to be unloaded, but typically that would mean the magazine is ejected. It is good practice to avoid trouble in the event you're pulled over or in an accident.

TyDarius

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Posted: Jul. 18, 2013 - 7:01 PM ET #29

Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:

Because the law calls for it to be securely encased.

Justified.

I don't know the law requires it to be unloaded, but typically that would mean the magazine is ejected. It is good practice to avoid trouble in the event you're pulled over or in an accident.

Gotcha thanks for the clarification, and appreciate you saying 2 hoods as opposed to two blacks.

GunShard

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Posted: Jul. 18, 2013 - 7:05 PM ET #30

Thugs that break into your homes deserves to be shot down dead.

I will find you and I will kill you.

14daroad

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Posted: Jul. 18, 2013 - 7:06 PM ET #31

Some states do require any weapons transported be unloaded, just not sure about FL.

You can take your gun to your place of business in FL legally. So say you're Joe the Rug guy and you're in your rug shop, you can have a loaded weapon handy. And if someone smashed through the window with a crowbar, you could shoot them dead.

I've seen plenty of white & brown hoods in my day TyDarius.

depeche2

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Posted: Jul. 18, 2013 - 9:05 PM ET #32

Zimmerman didn't even need or use SYG. We already have self defense, SYG laws are misguided crap.

That said, why would anyone be surprised that Holder or any law enforcement would be against it? It makes prosecuting harder.

14daroad

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Posted: Jul. 18, 2013 - 9:24 PM ET #33

There is no rational reason to oppose Stand Your Ground laws.

Stiln

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Posted: Jul. 18, 2013 - 9:44 PM ET #34

Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:

There is no rational reason to oppose Stand Your Ground laws.

Like this is the dumbest post of the year..

Vast people even Z's attorney O'Mara thinks we should re-evaluate syg even though classis self-defense was applied in the case obviously..

However all of the evidence supports that syg validates more gang violence and blacks are disproportionately targeted by this law. Can't argue with the facts.

Raiders22

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Posted: Jul. 18, 2013 - 9:46 PM ET #35

Quote Originally Posted by SheetsMcgee:

From all accounts, he wasn't standing his ground, he followed a suspicious character called the non emergency dispatch and was TOLD "DO NOT APPROACH." The one standing his ground ended up getting shot, while the one who antagonized, didn't listen to authority figures and SHOT the other is free to go. I'm not saying Zimmerman should have gotten murder but if he had not acted in several specific MOMENTS of choice, this would have never happened. He sure as heck is guilty of something.... I have a feeling the Civil lawsuit that will surely be brought on will have a different outcome them the criminal case.

You might have missed the trial?

14daroad

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Posted: Jul. 19, 2013 - 8:45 AM ET #36

Quote Originally Posted by Stiln:

However all of the evidence supports that syg validates more gang violence and blacks are disproportionately targeted by this law. Can't argue with the facts.

I bet!

Except you have no "evidence" at all.

And the fact that you responded with silly hysteria shows your doing nothing more than projecting.

Anyway, I enjoyed this article

“Stand Your Ground” Laws Don’t Increase Murder, Manslaughter Rate.

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/07/17/196940/no-firm-ground-on-whether-stand.html#.UefZMGRAS7g

Oh, and this is a nice one too:

"Florida firearm violence hits record low; concealed gun permits up"

https://www.abc15.com//dpp/news/national/florida-firearm-violence-hits-record-low-concealed-gun-permits-up

Nothing you've ever posted on this topic is informed or sensical. Mainly because you don't own or carry firearms.

14daroad

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Posted: Jul. 19, 2013 - 8:49 AM ET #37

Quote Originally Posted by Stiln:

However all of the evidence supports that syg validates more gang violence and blacks are disproportionately targeted by this law. Can't argue with the facts.

Really? Where is your "evidence"?

Oh wait, the available evidence contradicts your claim:

One hundred thirty three people in the state of Florida have used a “Stand Your Ground” defense. Of these claims, 73 were considered “justified” (55 percent), while 39 resulted in criminal convictions and 21 cases are still pending.

Forty four African Americans in the state of Florida have claimed a “Stand Your Ground” defense. Of these claims, 24 were considered “justified” (55 percent), while 11 resulted in convictions and nine cases are still pending.

Of the 76 white people who have used the defense, 40 were considered “justified” (less than 53 percent), while 25 were convicted and 11 cases are still pending.

https://www.tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/fatal-cases

You seem to think your ignorance has some standing or relationship with facts. It does not.

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