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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2012 - 7:52 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by Ktrain:

    How about also thinking in terms of lives needlessly lost during a Presidents term, instead of just the monetary scoreboard.

    I'm pretty sure that $5 trillion doesn't mean much to those that died needlessly and their families.


    At least Obama got bin Laden.
    Bush was busy making money for his friends in Haliburton or his "family" in Saudi Arabia and couldn't care less about killing the symbol of 9/11.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ktrain:

    How about also thinking in terms of lives needlessly lost during a Presidents term, instead of just the monetary scoreboard.

    I'm pretty sure that $5 trillion doesn't mean much to those that died needlessly and their families.


    At least Obama got bin Laden.
    Bush was busy making money for his friends in Haliburton or his "family" in Saudi Arabia and couldn't care less about killing the symbol of 9/11.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 2, 2012 - 9:00 AM ET #27

    First post I've ever seen from MP1 that actually was a little bit intelligent.

    Get Obama the fuck out of office before we have no rights and he officially ruins this country. Mitt might not be the greatest candidate but anyone besides Obama is fine with me. I'm really scared for this country if Obama gets 4 more yrs.
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    First post I've ever seen from MP1 that actually was a little bit intelligent.

    Get Obama the fuck out of office before we have no rights and he officially ruins this country. Mitt might not be the greatest candidate but anyone besides Obama is fine with me. I'm really scared for this country if Obama gets 4 more yrs.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 2, 2012 - 9:11 AM ET #28

    People really have no idea how much a trillion dollars is. To be this much in debt in the trillions is fucking absurd. Obama is slowly taking rights away and doesn't believe in capitalism which this country was built with.
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    People really have no idea how much a trillion dollars is. To be this much in debt in the trillions is fucking absurd. Obama is slowly taking rights away and doesn't believe in capitalism which this country was built with.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 2, 2012 - 9:41 AM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by hammer22:

    People really have no idea how much a trillion dollars is. To be this much in debt in the trillions is fucking absurd. Obama is slowly taking rights away and doesn't believe in capitalism which this country was built with.

    Yeah, Obama was the man behind the Patriot Act...the man behind the biggest collapse since the Great Depression.
    McCain wanted to bomb Iran - how many wars do you want - and can you afford them?
    China isn't a democracy - still 300-400 million people have been lifted out of poverty in 10-20 years.

    In 2016-2020 China will have the greatest economy in the world. This will change everything. The USA can no longer say "we're the greatest country in the world" - because you're not.
    Just look at Great Britain who went from being no.1 in the world - now Germany is more significant.

    America's spending on wars and the military will ultimately bring the empire down. Just like the Soviet Union - ironically Afghanistan was the beginning of the end for them too.
    Learn from history - don't repeat it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hammer22:

    People really have no idea how much a trillion dollars is. To be this much in debt in the trillions is fucking absurd. Obama is slowly taking rights away and doesn't believe in capitalism which this country was built with.

    Yeah, Obama was the man behind the Patriot Act...the man behind the biggest collapse since the Great Depression.
    McCain wanted to bomb Iran - how many wars do you want - and can you afford them?
    China isn't a democracy - still 300-400 million people have been lifted out of poverty in 10-20 years.

    In 2016-2020 China will have the greatest economy in the world. This will change everything. The USA can no longer say "we're the greatest country in the world" - because you're not.
    Just look at Great Britain who went from being no.1 in the world - now Germany is more significant.

    America's spending on wars and the military will ultimately bring the empire down. Just like the Soviet Union - ironically Afghanistan was the beginning of the end for them too.
    Learn from history - don't repeat it.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 2, 2012 - 10:15 AM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:


    Sorry ... here is their updated article(2010). 3 trillion was too low. LINK

    Stiglitz and Bilmes make a few other interesting points... 

    There is no question that the Iraq war added substantially to the federal debt. This was the first time in American history that the government cut taxes as it went to war. The result: a war completely funded by borrowing.

    The Iraq invasion diverted our attention from the Afghan war, now entering its 10th year. 

    When the United States went to war in Iraq, the price of oil was less than $25 a barrel, and futures markets expected it to remain around that level. With the war, prices started to soar, reaching $140 a barrel by 2008. Not only was Iraqi production interrupted, but the instability the war brought to the Middle East dampened investment in the region. Higher oil prices had a devastating effect on the economy. 

    The result is that the recession will be longer, output lower, unemployment higher and deficits larger than they would have been absent the war.

    Maybe all of this borrowing had something to do with Clinton cutting military spending in half in his 8 years in office.  Just a thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:


    Sorry ... here is their updated article(2010). 3 trillion was too low. LINK

    Stiglitz and Bilmes make a few other interesting points... 

    There is no question that the Iraq war added substantially to the federal debt. This was the first time in American history that the government cut taxes as it went to war. The result: a war completely funded by borrowing.

    The Iraq invasion diverted our attention from the Afghan war, now entering its 10th year. 

    When the United States went to war in Iraq, the price of oil was less than $25 a barrel, and futures markets expected it to remain around that level. With the war, prices started to soar, reaching $140 a barrel by 2008. Not only was Iraqi production interrupted, but the instability the war brought to the Middle East dampened investment in the region. Higher oil prices had a devastating effect on the economy. 

    The result is that the recession will be longer, output lower, unemployment higher and deficits larger than they would have been absent the war.

    Maybe all of this borrowing had something to do with Clinton cutting military spending in half in his 8 years in office.  Just a thought.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 2, 2012 - 11:12 AM ET #31

    He has all the black vote
    He will get most of the hispanic vote due to his clemency policy
    All the gay voters love him

    so....he needs 20% of the white vote and he'll get that no problem

    game over
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    He has all the black vote
    He will get most of the hispanic vote due to his clemency policy
    All the gay voters love him

    so....he needs 20% of the white vote and he'll get that no problem

    game over
     
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    Posted: Oct. 2, 2012 - 1:40 PM ET #32

    Quote Originally Posted by Randisist:



    Actually...

    Unemployment is double digit...




    8.3% .....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randisist:



    Actually...

    Unemployment is double digit...




    8.3% .....
     
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    Posted: Oct. 2, 2012 - 2:18 PM ET #33

    Rjsmith that response has nothing to do with what I stated. Thanks for giving out stats about china tho thanks for comin out bud.
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    Rjsmith that response has nothing to do with what I stated. Thanks for giving out stats about china tho thanks for comin out bud.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 2, 2012 - 5:37 PM ET #34

    Quote Originally Posted by Bricknah:


    Maybe all of this borrowing had something to do with Clinton cutting military spending in half in his 8 years in office.  Just a thought.


    Now a Republican blames Clinton for cutting some government spending. Pretty funny. 

    What does that have to do with the money spent in Iraq anyways? 

    Slovak, how many times have terrorists successfully attacked the United States since Obama became President? You got your sentence screwed up ... George W would have never done this because as we all know he is a retard. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bricknah:


    Maybe all of this borrowing had something to do with Clinton cutting military spending in half in his 8 years in office.  Just a thought.


    Now a Republican blames Clinton for cutting some government spending. Pretty funny. 

    What does that have to do with the money spent in Iraq anyways? 

    Slovak, how many times have terrorists successfully attacked the United States since Obama became President? You got your sentence screwed up ... George W would have never done this because as we all know he is a retard. 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 2, 2012 - 7:01 PM ET #35

    Obama is just another bumb (hope)ing for change.  
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    Posted: Oct. 2, 2012 - 8:25 PM ET #36

    Quote Originally Posted by Slovak:

    Detox, I did not vote for Bush in 2000 or 2004 and I did vote for Obama.

    He is a horrible president covered in smoke and mirrors. I feel like a fucking idiot for falling for all of this "Change" bullshit 4 years ago.



    Since Obama became President there haven't been any attacks on US soil, the Dow Jones is up over 60 percent, the housing market has stabilized and made significant progress, the avg homeowner is in a better situation today than they were 4 years ago, Bin Laden is dead and our troops are out of Iraq.

    Romney wants to give the rich more tax cuts that would add $6 trillion to the deficit over the next ten years and claims that he will offset those cuts by eliminating inefficient tax loopholes. When he's asked what loopholes he can't give an answer. There's speculation that it would be tax "loopholes" like mortgage interest deductions. 

    If you're not a cold person with money and you vote for Romney ... you've been swindled. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slovak:

    Detox, I did not vote for Bush in 2000 or 2004 and I did vote for Obama.

    He is a horrible president covered in smoke and mirrors. I feel like a fucking idiot for falling for all of this "Change" bullshit 4 years ago.



    Since Obama became President there haven't been any attacks on US soil, the Dow Jones is up over 60 percent, the housing market has stabilized and made significant progress, the avg homeowner is in a better situation today than they were 4 years ago, Bin Laden is dead and our troops are out of Iraq.

    Romney wants to give the rich more tax cuts that would add $6 trillion to the deficit over the next ten years and claims that he will offset those cuts by eliminating inefficient tax loopholes. When he's asked what loopholes he can't give an answer. There's speculation that it would be tax "loopholes" like mortgage interest deductions. 

    If you're not a cold person with money and you vote for Romney ... you've been swindled. 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 3, 2012 - 9:20 AM ET #37

    Has anyone seen 2016 Obama's America?  Pretty scary stuff.
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    Has anyone seen 2016 Obama's America?  Pretty scary stuff.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:


    Since Obama became President there haven't been any attacks on US soil, the Dow Jones is up over 60 percent, the housing market has stabilized and made significant progress, the avg homeowner is in a better situation today than they were 4 years ago, Bin Laden is dead and our troops are out of Iraq.

    Romney wants to give the rich more tax cuts that would add $6 trillion to the deficit over the next ten years and claims that he will offset those cuts by eliminating inefficient tax loopholes. When he's asked what loopholes he can't give an answer. There's speculation that it would be tax "loopholes" like mortgage interest deductions. 

    If you're not a cold person with money and you vote for Romney ... you've been swindled. 

    Someone has been watching a little too much msnbc...

    1) We did have an attack on our own soil. Our consulate in Libya is OUR soil... But we can just blame that on YouTube video.

    2) The stock market is up because Ben Bernanke and the federal reserve keep cutting interest rates. Nothing to do with Obama...

    3) There are still troops in Iraq.  They all didn't leave. Many of them are still there training Iraqi police forces on counter-terrorism.

    4) Obama made the call to take out Osama bin laden, but without bush's enhanced interrogation tactics (which Obama was against) they would have never gotten the intel to get him. Tough call by the president but I sure wish he'd stop spiking that football... 
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:


    Since Obama became President there haven't been any attacks on US soil, the Dow Jones is up over 60 percent, the housing market has stabilized and made significant progress, the avg homeowner is in a better situation today than they were 4 years ago, Bin Laden is dead and our troops are out of Iraq.

    Romney wants to give the rich more tax cuts that would add $6 trillion to the deficit over the next ten years and claims that he will offset those cuts by eliminating inefficient tax loopholes. When he's asked what loopholes he can't give an answer. There's speculation that it would be tax "loopholes" like mortgage interest deductions. 

    If you're not a cold person with money and you vote for Romney ... you've been swindled. 

    Someone has been watching a little too much msnbc...

    1) We did have an attack on our own soil. Our consulate in Libya is OUR soil... But we can just blame that on YouTube video.

    2) The stock market is up because Ben Bernanke and the federal reserve keep cutting interest rates. Nothing to do with Obama...

    3) There are still troops in Iraq.  They all didn't leave. Many of them are still there training Iraqi police forces on counter-terrorism.

    4) Obama made the call to take out Osama bin laden, but without bush's enhanced interrogation tactics (which Obama was against) they would have never gotten the intel to get him. Tough call by the president but I sure wish he'd stop spiking that football... 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 3, 2012 - 10:31 AM ET #39

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:



    Now a Republican blames Clinton for cutting some government spending. Pretty funny. 

    What does that have to do with the money spent in Iraq anyways? 

    Slovak, how many times have terrorists successfully attacked the United States since Obama became President? You got your sentence screwed up ... George W would have never done this because as we all know he is a retard. 

    I never once said Clinton cut GOVERNMENT  spending.  He cut MILITARY spending, and moved that money elsewhere.  Why do you think we have a shortage of flack jackets that bush caught all the shit for, and other essential wartime items when the war started up?  These shortages lead to the borrowing that you were talking about.  Think about it.  Our government for almost a decade neglected spending on the military Probably a big reason that we were attacked when we were.  They saw us as weak at the moment.  At least as weak as we were gonna be for a while with a republican just coming into office.  Anyways, there are reasons people in the military are mostly republican.  

    A.  They like having a job
    B.  They like having bullet proof helmets, flack jackets, night vision, and the best gizmos available when they are fighting for our freedom, and our countries interests. 

            Also, I am not a republican.  I believe that our governments #1 priority is to protect its people.  Our president is called commander and chief for a reason.  Cutting military spending is pretty much going against his job title. 
             I also believe that the government should stay out of peoples every day lives.  We are "The land of the Free", but at this point there are so many laws to obey, and taxes to pay that are freedoms are quickly dwindling.  
              For example.  You can drive a car in america if you wish.  It's the land of the free, right?  To drive a car in my area, you have to purchase 4 different stickers to place on your car per year.  This does not include the parking sticker I have to get from my city, to park in front of my own house.  On top of that you must pay the personal property tax on your car every year, and you can't register your car unless you have insurance.  You could be a millionare, and be able to cover any accident you could possibly cause, but you are still forced to get insurance.  There is a loop hole of course.  You can pay the state $500 for the right to drive without insurance.  Who are all of these laws designed to protect?  It's definitely not us the government was thinking of when the made all of these laws. 
             Now the government has to have cops, attorneys, judges, and numerous other government officials to enforce these laws.  God forbid someone be driving in the county with a red sticker instead of a green one.  They will literally have a trial, with a judge and everything, for a ticket you received from a cop for not having a proper sticker.  How do we let them get away with this bullshit?  The government probably pays out $500 worth of salaries in order to give us a $75 dollar fine.  And you wonder why our government is in debt.  This is small scale example of the BS that goes on within our government.  As you go up in power chain, instead of wasting hundreds, they are wasting millions, billions, and trillions of dollars.         
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    Now a Republican blames Clinton for cutting some government spending. Pretty funny. 

    What does that have to do with the money spent in Iraq anyways? 

    Slovak, how many times have terrorists successfully attacked the United States since Obama became President? You got your sentence screwed up ... George W would have never done this because as we all know he is a retard. 

    I never once said Clinton cut GOVERNMENT  spending.  He cut MILITARY spending, and moved that money elsewhere.  Why do you think we have a shortage of flack jackets that bush caught all the shit for, and other essential wartime items when the war started up?  These shortages lead to the borrowing that you were talking about.  Think about it.  Our government for almost a decade neglected spending on the military Probably a big reason that we were attacked when we were.  They saw us as weak at the moment.  At least as weak as we were gonna be for a while with a republican just coming into office.  Anyways, there are reasons people in the military are mostly republican.  

    A.  They like having a job
    B.  They like having bullet proof helmets, flack jackets, night vision, and the best gizmos available when they are fighting for our freedom, and our countries interests. 

            Also, I am not a republican.  I believe that our governments #1 priority is to protect its people.  Our president is called commander and chief for a reason.  Cutting military spending is pretty much going against his job title. 
             I also believe that the government should stay out of peoples every day lives.  We are "The land of the Free", but at this point there are so many laws to obey, and taxes to pay that are freedoms are quickly dwindling.  
              For example.  You can drive a car in america if you wish.  It's the land of the free, right?  To drive a car in my area, you have to purchase 4 different stickers to place on your car per year.  This does not include the parking sticker I have to get from my city, to park in front of my own house.  On top of that you must pay the personal property tax on your car every year, and you can't register your car unless you have insurance.  You could be a millionare, and be able to cover any accident you could possibly cause, but you are still forced to get insurance.  There is a loop hole of course.  You can pay the state $500 for the right to drive without insurance.  Who are all of these laws designed to protect?  It's definitely not us the government was thinking of when the made all of these laws. 
             Now the government has to have cops, attorneys, judges, and numerous other government officials to enforce these laws.  God forbid someone be driving in the county with a red sticker instead of a green one.  They will literally have a trial, with a judge and everything, for a ticket you received from a cop for not having a proper sticker.  How do we let them get away with this bullshit?  The government probably pays out $500 worth of salaries in order to give us a $75 dollar fine.  And you wonder why our government is in debt.  This is small scale example of the BS that goes on within our government.  As you go up in power chain, instead of wasting hundreds, they are wasting millions, billions, and trillions of dollars.         
     
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    Posted: Oct. 3, 2012 - 10:35 AM ET #40

    Someone has been watching a little too much FOX News...

    Bush on Osama bin Laden:

    "I don’t know where he is. I really just don’t spend that much time on him, to be honest with you."

    About the guy who is the "symbol" of 9/11.
    I am sure the families and survivors of that day were happy to hear him say that.
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    Someone has been watching a little too much FOX News...

    Bush on Osama bin Laden:

    "I don’t know where he is. I really just don’t spend that much time on him, to be honest with you."

    About the guy who is the "symbol" of 9/11.
    I am sure the families and survivors of that day were happy to hear him say that.
     
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    jesus, post #47 is straight out of the foxnews propaganda department.  how would spending ridiculous amounts of money on defense have prevented 9/11 again?


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    jesus, post #47 is straight out of the foxnews propaganda department.  how would spending ridiculous amounts of money on defense have prevented 9/11 again?


     
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    "Once you leave the womb, conservatives don't care about you until you reach military age. Then you’re just what they’re looking for. Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers."

    -George Carlin
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    "Once you leave the womb, conservatives don't care about you until you reach military age. Then you’re just what they’re looking for. Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers."

    -George Carlin
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by RJSmith:

    "Once you leave the womb, conservatives don't care about you until you reach military age. Then you’re just what they’re looking for. Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers."

    -George Carlin


    i see what he's saying but i think he's only half right.  rightwingers could not give a shit about fetuses or human cells in the womb.  the abortion issue is just something to get the crazies all riled up to take their focus away from what the rightwing politicians are really doing and really care about which is simply to get more money and power for themselves and their special interest owners. 
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    "Once you leave the womb, conservatives don't care about you until you reach military age. Then you’re just what they’re looking for. Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers."

    -George Carlin


    i see what he's saying but i think he's only half right.  rightwingers could not give a shit about fetuses or human cells in the womb.  the abortion issue is just something to get the crazies all riled up to take their focus away from what the rightwing politicians are really doing and really care about which is simply to get more money and power for themselves and their special interest owners. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmw59:

    He has all the black vote
    He will get most of the hispanic vote due to his clemency policy
    All the gay voters love him

    so....he needs 20% of the white vote and he'll get that no problem

    game over


    you forgot the women vote
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    He has all the black vote
    He will get most of the hispanic vote due to his clemency policy
    All the gay voters love him

    so....he needs 20% of the white vote and he'll get that no problem

    game over


    you forgot the women vote
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:



    you forgot the women vote

    You can sum it all up by simply stating that he has all of the under-educated votes.  C'mon people, he is not even American.  
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    you forgot the women vote

    You can sum it all up by simply stating that he has all of the under-educated votes.  C'mon people, he is not even American.  
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:



    i see what he's saying but i think he's only half right.  rightwingers could not give a shit about fetuses or human cells in the womb.  the abortion issue is just something to get the crazies all riled up to take their focus away from what the rightwing politicians are really doing and really care about which is simply to get more money and power for themselves and their special interest owners. 

    Yes, because the democrats in office all know what it's like to grow up poor, and live paycheck to paycheck.    They are just as filthy rich as their counterparts.  
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    i see what he's saying but i think he's only half right.  rightwingers could not give a shit about fetuses or human cells in the womb.  the abortion issue is just something to get the crazies all riled up to take their focus away from what the rightwing politicians are really doing and really care about which is simply to get more money and power for themselves and their special interest owners. 

    Yes, because the democrats in office all know what it's like to grow up poor, and live paycheck to paycheck.    They are just as filthy rich as their counterparts.  
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bricknah:


    You can sum it all up by simply stating that he has all of the under-educated votes.  C'mon people, he is not even American.  

    In 2008 

    % Of College Graduates 

    red states - 24.0%
    blue states - 29.6% 

    Average IQ 

    red states - 99.7 
    blue states - 101.2 

    Average Income 

    red states - $34,202 
    blue states - $41,183 

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    You can sum it all up by simply stating that he has all of the under-educated votes.  C'mon people, he is not even American.  

    In 2008 

    % Of College Graduates 

    red states - 24.0%
    blue states - 29.6% 

    Average IQ 

    red states - 99.7 
    blue states - 101.2 

    Average Income 

    red states - $34,202 
    blue states - $41,183 

     
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    Those stats, whereever they came from, are ridiculously flawed.  Just because a state votes for one president or another doesn't make them democrat or republican, liberal or conservative.  Look at the history of how a state votes for their ALL of their public officials, and a state like virginia, which was a "blue" state in 2008, becomes a conservative republican state.  Add in the income from northern Virginia alone to the red side, and take it off the blue side, and those numbers flip.  Your statistics are a joke.  
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    Those stats, whereever they came from, are ridiculously flawed.  Just because a state votes for one president or another doesn't make them democrat or republican, liberal or conservative.  Look at the history of how a state votes for their ALL of their public officials, and a state like virginia, which was a "blue" state in 2008, becomes a conservative republican state.  Add in the income from northern Virginia alone to the red side, and take it off the blue side, and those numbers flip.  Your statistics are a joke.  
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bricknah:

    Those stats, whereever they came from, are ridiculously flawed.  Just because a state votes for one president or another doesn't make them democrat or republican, liberal or conservative.  Look at the history of how a state votes for their ALL of their public officials, and a state like virginia, which was a "blue" state in 2008, becomes a conservative republican state.  Add in the income from northern Virginia alone to the red side, and take it off the blue side, and those numbers flip.  Your statistics are a joke.  

    You think the numbers will flip if you add the income from Virginia to the red side? 

    You're hurting your states averages.  
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    Those stats, whereever they came from, are ridiculously flawed.  Just because a state votes for one president or another doesn't make them democrat or republican, liberal or conservative.  Look at the history of how a state votes for their ALL of their public officials, and a state like virginia, which was a "blue" state in 2008, becomes a conservative republican state.  Add in the income from northern Virginia alone to the red side, and take it off the blue side, and those numbers flip.  Your statistics are a joke.  

    You think the numbers will flip if you add the income from Virginia to the red side? 

    You're hurting your states averages.  
     
     
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    Lot of blue states have a high cost of living. New York, New Jersey, California. Those numbers don't mean much to me.
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    Lot of blue states have a high cost of living. New York, New Jersey, California. Those numbers don't mean much to me.
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