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#26
https://www.presstelegram.com/breakingnews/ci_22724131/family-woman-denied-cpr-at-bakersfield-facility-wanted
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Nurse who let a woman die rather than defy job rules
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#27
Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:
I'm well aware as I have to get recertified every 2 years. Its amazing they keep changing little things. Not sure why becuase its usually futile.
New thought is to just keep blood flowing (no new breaths). They even have an automatic machine (we call it the geeser squeezer), but it never works (bring people back to life). Seen it used for the last few years and never once has the person survived.
Good stuff sir.......they say cpr saves lives in 5 to 10% of the time. In the course of my work I have done CPR 3 times - each time a family member of the dieing was present and looking for help - although being present or not isn't a factor. I don't understand any other instinct other than to try to save a life. Sadly, all three persons died - one was revived and then died at hospital. Not sure how anyone could live with themselves to watch and do nothing.
Big respect as well for Scalbrine's comments in this thread.
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#28
Quote Originally Posted by NoWorries21:
Had a friend robbed he legally owned a gun and shot the robber in the knee. Police came and took the intruder to hospital and jail. Later he got out sued my buddy and won 40k in damages. Made me sick to my stomach
Had a friend robbed he legally owned a gun and shot the robber in the knee. Police came and took the intruder to hospital and jail. Later he got out sued my buddy and won 40k in damages. Made me sick to my stomach That's why they teach you to get in the safest place as far away as possible and try to AVOID the confrontation. In some states, if you hear an intruder out in the garage, go out and confront him while he's carrying your golf clubs away and kill him....you can be in deep trouble.
Don't know the specifics of your friend's case (ie. whether he was surprised by the intruder or shot him in the back while he was running toward the front door), but you have to really know the laws if you are going to protect your home with a gun.
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#29
Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:
Your first sentence is relevant if the nurse was aware of such a thing. If true, based on this new information, why is the hospital defending her actions based on its policy to not adminster CPR? Probably because she acted on the policy order, not the do not resuscitate order.
Anyhow, your second paragraph is complete joke. Who the hell are you calling the shots as to when an appropriate death age should be? Think before you type.
His 2nd paragraph isnt a joke. Obviously you dont work in the medical field. You havent heard these people beg you to just let them go. You cant help a dying 87 year old. They dont get better, and if cancer or alzheimers hasnt eaten their mind, the anguish of knowing their demise is near is terrifying, but the thought of having to suffer longer is even worse.. There is no bright side. All you wind up doing is prolonging the inevitable so the family can think they "tried to help".
Stop talking about this like you do everything else (like you are better/smarter than everyone). You simpy dont know what you are talking about.
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#30
Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:
If I lived by this nursing home, honest to god I'd get a protest in front of it to have every family member transferred out of there or until they changed their policy.
Disgusting story...
City fire officials say Bayless did not have a "do not resuscitate" order on file at the home. Her family said, however, "it was our beloved mother and grandmother's wish to die naturally and without any kind of life-prolonging intervention."
hmm, so it seems there was no DNR order on file. It also seems that it was this womans wishes to die naturally without any kind of life-prolonging interventions.
So are you to say what is right for this woman? Who are you to deny her the right to pass in peace?
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#31
Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:
Damn. You think that's dignity?
Dignity while dying in modern terms is in a quiet room in a comfortable bed with loved ones at your side feeling little pain
NOT
on a cold tile floor or slumped in a wheelchair crapping yourself staring at halogen lights on ceiling feeing like someone ripped your heart out of your chest while hearing a NURSE say she can't do anything for you. You sound like the polcymaker of this place!
Well, Mr "Know it all" and your usual crap. Amazing SHE did not want the be saved! So will you know slam her family? You sicken me
Histrionic personality disorder. It's sad
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#33
Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:
His 2nd paragraph isnt a joke. Obviously you dont work in the medical field. You havent heard these people beg you to just let them go. You cant help a dying 87 year old. They dont get better, and if cancer or alzheimers hasnt eaten their mind, the anguish of knowing their demise is near is terrifying, but the thought of having to suffer longer is even worse.. There is no bright side. All you wind up doing is prolonging the inevitable so the family can think they "tried to help".
Stop talking about this like you do everything else (like you are better/smarter than everyone). You simpy dont know what you are talking about.
I swear on my life this sounds exactly like something the nurse or nursing home director would say to garner sympathy from a jury when she is brought up on charges by the state.
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Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:
I swear on my life this sounds exactly like something the nurse or nursing home director would say to garner sympathy from a jury when she is brought up on charges by the state.
Its not for sympathy. Its to educate self righteous people like yourself with an internet knowledge of reality.
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Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:
Its not for sympathy. Its to educate self righteous people like yourself with an internet knowledge of reality.
I'm taking a self-righteous stance when I'm advocating for this woman to break company policy and be human to save a life, something I would personally do. Interesting definition of self-righteous. Hilarious really...
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#36
Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:
I'm taking a self-righteous stance when I'm advocating for this woman to break company policy and be human to save a life, something I would personally do. Interesting definition of self-righteous. Hilarious really...
Saving someone that doesnt want to be saved to appease your sense of right and wrong is the definition of self righteous.
Its real easy for you to sit on the sidelines and say what you woulda done, especially considering you've never worked in healthcare. We arent talking about a person at the bank or in your home....
The only hilarious thing is you yapping like you know what you're talking about despite the contrary, per usual.
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#37
Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:
Saving someone that doesnt want to be saved to appease your sense of right and wrong is the definition of self righteous.
Its real easy for you to sit on the sidelines and say what you woulda done, especially considering you've never worked in healthcare. We arent talking about a person at the bank or in your home....
The only hilarious thing is you yapping like you know what you're talking about despite the contrary, per usual.
I want everyone here to use Train as an example of someone who is blinded by his own misinformation. Sound familiar? It should. It's most of Congress.
The facts have been stated in this thread about this woman wanting to be saved. Does it matter? No. Because train just takes a contrian stance to whatever I say.
I'm still looking for an article affirming that this woman was left to die because of a do not resuscitate order! Did the last poster provide a link regarding this? No. Does that matter to Train. No.
I ask again, if this woman had a DNR order, why did the nurse call 911 to have emergency personnel come and save her life?
Why did the the nursing home rep. say it was their policy to not give CPR (never mentioning a DNR order)?
Common sense tells you why. Doesn't matter when it comes to this poster.
And then his most heinous and hilarious comment: we need to have worked in healthcare to have administered CPR to this woman!
Really, I don't give a crap if you don't care for me, but when you see senseless unsupported argumentation like this, you should call him out on it. He wastes the threads space, my time, your time etc...
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#38
Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:
I want everyone here to use Train as an example of someone who is blinded by his own misinformation. Sound familiar? It should. It's most of Congress.
The facts have been stated in this thread about this woman wanting to be saved. Does it matter? No. Because train just takes a contrian stance to whatever I say.
I'm still looking for an article affirming that this woman was left to die because of a do not resuscitate order! Did the last poster provide a link regarding this? No. Does that matter to Train. No.
I ask again, if this woman had a DNR order, why did the nurse call 911 to have emergency personnel come and save her life?
Why did the the nursing home rep. say it was their policy to not give CPR (never mentioning a DNR order)?
Common sense tells you why. Doesn't matter when it comes to this poster.
And then his most heinous and hilarious comment: we need to have worked in healthcare to have administered CPR to this woman!
Really, I don't give a crap if you don't care for me, but when you see senseless unsupported argumentation like this, you should call him out on it. He wastes the threads space, my time, your time etc...
What "facts" and "misinformation" are you referring to? They cant put anything on the internet that isnt true.... right? The family stated she didnt want to be revived. The nurse probably knew these wishes as well if she had taken care of the old lady before this happened.
When did I say you needed to work in healthcare? Oh, I didnt. For a smart guy you sure cant extrapolate very well.
Like I said, you dont know what you're talking about. You have ZERO experience dealing with the elderly or saving a life, so I dont know what you are falling back on when you talk out of your azz.
Senseless and unsupported is you thinking everyone should get cpr because YOU think its the right thing to do. I have more common sense and street smarts thatn anybody you know. I'm usually contrarian to what you say because you are wrong. Like I said, self righteous.
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#39
Quote Originally Posted by SportsFan9698:
Wow really? At the end of the trail of course trial lawyers and out court system is to blame for this disgusting behavior.
But cmon... are you telling me that you would not save a life despite any "rules"
You cannot point the finger at something so ambiguous as the courts system... I always choose to do the right thing - despite any rules. I have never regretted any decisions.
That disgusting excuse of a woman will live in horrendous nightmares the rest of her life. FAIL
Duh, yes, I think I would have done the same, regrettably. This unfortunately is the position govt, lawyers, and judges HAVE put us in. Pretty big and brave of you to say you would "break the law" to save her, when in fact this is all probability has never, and will ever happen to you, or most of us. Amazing how it is ALWAYS somebody elses fault when something bad happens. Hmmmm, did you ever think maybe it was just her time? Just maybe...it is NOBODY'S faualt. IMO, when you put a member of your family in an institution, you lose some of your rights. Honestly, if we all ADMIT it, nobody will give our "loved" one the same care they would get at home. But nooooo, we don't want to be bothered by taking care of our elderly parents, or grand parents. Seriously, how many of us really want to live to be this old in an institution? No thank you. Each situation is different to be sure, but the vast majority of elderly people, are NOT in good health are a drain on society, and wish they had the guts to die. How much longer can we as a society continue to afford this???
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#40
Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:
What "facts" and "misinformation" are you referring to? They cant put anything on the internet that isnt true.... right? The family stated she didnt want to be revived. The nurse probably knew these wishes as well if she had taken care of the old lady before this happened.
When did I say you needed to work in healthcare? Oh, I didnt. For a smart guy you sure cant extrapolate very well.
Like I said, you dont know what you're talking about. You have ZERO experience dealing with the elderly or saving a life, so I dont know what you are falling back on when you talk out of your azz.
Senseless and unsupported is you thinking everyone should get cpr because YOU think its the right thing to do. I have more common sense and street smarts thatn anybody you know. I'm usually contrarian to what you say because you are wrong. Like I said, self righteous.
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#41
Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:
Saving someone that doesnt want to be saved to appease your sense of right and wrong is the definition of self righteous.
Its real easy for you to sit on the sidelines and say what you woulda done, especially considering you've never worked in healthcare. We arent talking about a person at the bank or in your home....
The only hilarious thing is you yapping like you know what you're talking about despite the contrary, per usual.
Hey Train. Appreciate your insight and common sense approach. As usual, you hit it.
Just a question tho. Why do ANY of us even waste our breath on Scal? I just have to 
and shake my head on most of his boorish, insulting, and completely arrogant posts. If we all just ignored him like a little 3 year old throwing a tantrum, he would stop and go away (hopefully). I don't allow him to get under my skin. Thanks for the winners in CBB train!
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#42
Obviously you guys know nothing about The risks involved in CPR When it is done wrong... broken Ribs, punctured lungs, Arrythmia if you dont take a pulse properly, CPR is for someone in Cardiac arrest not a heart attack there is a difference...Why not read about it before you give opinions, I am a CPR and First Aid instructor..that nurse would have felt bad either way, I see no point in performing CPR anyway on someone in a nursing home they are supposed to go at that age, Probably wanted to go Who the F!@#$% wants to live until 90 anyway?
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Posted:
#43
Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:
What "facts" and "misinformation" are you referring to? They cant put anything on the internet that isnt true.... right? The family stated she didnt want to be revived. The nurse probably knew these wishes as well if she had taken care of the old lady before this happened.
When did I say you needed to work in healthcare? Oh, I didnt. For a smart guy you sure cant extrapolate very well.
Like I said, you dont know what you're talking about. You have ZERO experience dealing with the elderly or saving a life, so I dont know what you are falling back on when you talk out of your azz.
Senseless and unsupported is you thinking everyone should get cpr because YOU think its the right thing to do. I have more common sense and street smarts thatn anybody you know. I'm usually contrarian to what you say because you are wrong. Like I said, self righteous.
The more you type, the more you reveal severe flaws in argumentation and reasoning. Worse, you are the absolute worst person to ever be involved in a life or death situation and/or the healthcare profession given your stance.
The hilarity of your spin becomes more evident with every character you put to screen.
Here the the facts.
These are the same facts you put in mocking
quotation marks and deride as "don't believe everything you read on the internet" spittle, when they are in fact, facts (just ones you don't like to hear).
Ironically, you use the same internet for your sources but in your case, it's completely fine.
Fact: There was no "Do Not Resuscitate" order on file in the nursing home.
Why is this important?
Because you would need to perform CPR otherwise, unless there is a now revealed policy to not perform CPR in all life or death situation in this particular home. THAT is what all the outrage is about.
Fact: The nurse called 911 to get someone to resuscitate the patient. How do we know this? Listen to the 911 call or read the transcript. Educate yourself about the details of the case. Do you think she was calling 911 to order a large pepperoni?
Why is this important? Your outrageously flagrant claim that the 'nurse probably knew the wishes of the family' are false. She would have allowed her to die if she had (or is this some purposeful delay on her part so 911 arrives late while she does nothing about it). And what gives her the right to have a personal relationship with the family to make the call on such a decision? Nothing of course. Just your own made up fantasy to construct a contrarian argument to 'win' or whatever you need for self-confidence/self-worth.
Fact: The nursing home defended the actions of the nurse because it was their policy not to perform CPR.
Why is this important? Because THAT is why we are having this conversation. Not because you or others in this thread believe that this should be a debate about how long older individuals should live, being a drain on the healthcare system/ and/or having no real quality of life that younger individuals enjoy, especially ones in assisted living situation and whether it's cruel or kind to allow them to continue to live with ailments and heavy drugging. It's a question of, "Do you save a person's life, regardless of age, in a life or death situation, if CPR, something you are trained to do, is all that is needed to save the life, particularly when their is no signed order from the family or person to prevent you from resuscitating them?" (which there wasn't).
What's really shocking is that you trust a 'family's statement' post-death (and that is the key, over a legally binding order fulfilling the patient's wishes).
Moreover, a conversation (not a fact-based argument like what I laid out above) about why this women might want to pass if true (who could know when once again, only the living, the family, are here to tell the tale), since she, like many other senior citizen's has lost her autonomy and is subject to every whim of another's care.
When you have $120,000 to pay a year to put your parent or grandparent in a nursing home, they'll likely have it pretty good. When you have to depend on Medicaid or a standard nursing home like many posters here, the aged individual might have a life of boredom, neglect, drugs and possibly abuse (as has been detailed in several studies concerning nursing home care in this country). Hell, I might even want to check out of that place permanently too, especially one that doesn't even want to do CPR on me. But there is one thing they will have as well. A right to life, unless there is a lawful signed order stating otherwise, which is conspicuously absent in this case and conveniently allows the nursing home to institute policies where they make the final determination (one they choose which allows the person to die).
Then have this idiot lemming bandit coming in the thread and encouraging a guy who hasn't made a cogent argument, and lauds him with a 'common sense' approach, when it is precisely the opposite.
Study a case Train. Read about it. Think about it for more than 5 minutes. Digest the facts and understand what the public outrage is about before coming in a thread lobbing insults, while making yourself look intellectually inadequate in the process (along with the parasite that can't get enough of you).
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#44
Quote Originally Posted by Polishsausage69:
Obviously you guys know nothing about The risks involved in CPR When it is done wrong... broken Ribs, punctured lungs, Arrythmia if you dont take a pulse properly, CPR is for someone in Cardiac arrest not a heart attack there is a difference...Why not read about it before you give opinions, I am a CPR and First Aid instructor..that nurse would have felt bad either way, I see no point in performing CPR anyway on someone in a nursing home they are supposed to go at that age, Probably wanted to go Who the F!@#$% wants to live until 90 anyway?
Obviously you guys know nothing about The risks involved in CPR When it is done wrong... broken Ribs, punctured lungs, Arrythmia if you dont take a pulse properly, CPR is for someone in Cardiac arrest not a heart attack there is a difference...Why not read about it before you give opinions, I am a CPR and First Aid instructor..that nurse would have felt bad either way, I see no point in performing CPR anyway on someone in a nursing home they are supposed to go at that age, Probably wanted to go Who the F!@#$% wants to live until 90 anyway?
Yeah, who the f*** wants to live until 90 dude!?!?!
(and this is a First Aid Instructor we are talking about)....
F***** up world we live in is right...
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#48
ugh, reading scabs trash makes me wish iwere dead. what an ignorant fool.
we cant trust what the family says, after the fact. lol
scab is the same kind of fool that has cheered on ppaca, because hes a leftist moron, with no real life experiences from which to form an opinion. go read another article and consider yourself an expert with your cockamimi facts. if you come across me while im dieing of old age, please let me go in peace. the last thing i want to do is be subject to the tortures of american hospitals, health care, or end of life care
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#49
Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:
The more you type, the more you reveal severe flaws in argumentation and reasoning. Worse, you are the absolute worst person to ever be involved in a life or death situation and/or the healthcare profession given your stance.
The hilarity of your spin becomes more evident with every character you put to screen.
Here the the facts.
These are the same facts you put in mocking
quotation marks and deride as "don't believe everything you read on the internet" spittle, when they are in fact, facts (just ones you don't like to hear).
Ironically, you use the same internet for your sources but in your case, it's completely fine.
Fact: There was no "Do Not Resuscitate" order on file in the nursing home.
Why is this important?
Because you would need to perform CPR otherwise, unless there is a now revealed policy to not perform CPR in all life or death situation in this particular home. THAT is what all the outrage is about.
Fact: The nurse called 911 to get someone to resuscitate the patient. How do we know this? Listen to the 911 call or read the transcript. Educate yourself about the details of the case. Do you think she was calling 911 to order a large pepperoni?
Why is this important? Your outrageously flagrant claim that the 'nurse probably knew the wishes of the family' are false. She would have allowed her to die if she had (or is this some purposeful delay on her part so 911 arrives late while she does nothing about it). And what gives her the right to have a personal relationship with the family to make the call on such a decision? Nothing of course. Just your own made up fantasy to construct a contrarian argument to 'win' or whatever you need for self-confidence/self-worth.
Fact: The nursing home defended the actions of the nurse because it was their policy not to perform CPR.
Why is this important? Because THAT is why we are having this conversation. Not because you or others in this thread believe that this should be a debate about how long older individuals should live, being a drain on the healthcare system/ and/or having no real quality of life that younger individuals enjoy, especially ones in assisted living situation and whether it's cruel or kind to allow them to continue to live with ailments and heavy drugging. It's a question of, "Do you save a person's life, regardless of age, in a life or death situation, if CPR, something you are trained to do, is all that is needed to save the life, particularly when their is no signed order from the family or person to prevent you from resuscitating them?" (which there wasn't).
What's really shocking is that you trust a 'family's statement' post-death (and that is the key, over a legally binding order fulfilling the patient's wishes).
Moreover, a conversation (not a fact-based argument like what I laid out above) about why this women might want to pass if true (who could know when once again, only the living, the family, are here to tell the tale), since she, like many other senior citizen's has lost her autonomy and is subject to every whim of another's care.
When you have $120,000 to pay a year to put your parent or grandparent in a nursing home, they'll likely have it pretty good. When you have to depend on Medicaid or a standard nursing home like many posters here, the aged individual might have a life of boredom, neglect, drugs and possibly abuse (as has been detailed in several studies concerning nursing home care in this country). Hell, I might even want to check out of that place permanently too, especially one that doesn't even want to do CPR on me. But there is one thing they will have as well. A right to life, unless there is a lawful signed order stating otherwise, which is conspicuously absent in this case and conveniently allows the nursing home to institute policies where they make the final determination (one they choose which allows the person to die).
Then have this idiot lemming bandit coming in the thread and encouraging a guy who hasn't made a cogent argument, and lauds him with a 'common sense' approach, when it is precisely the opposite.
Study a case Train. Read about it. Think about it for more than 5 minutes. Digest the facts and understand what the public outrage is about before coming in a thread lobbing insults, while making yourself look intellectually inadequate in the process (along with the parasite that can't get enough of you).
Like I said, you dont know what you are talking about. Its hard to make someone that has no real world/life experience understand something that isnt black & white.
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#50
Quote Originally Posted by Polishsausage69:
Obviously you guys know nothing about The risks involved in CPR When it is done wrong... broken Ribs, punctured lungs, Arrythmia if you dont take a pulse properly, CPR is for someone in Cardiac arrest not a heart attack there is a difference...Why not read about it before you give opinions, I am a CPR and First Aid instructor..that nurse would have felt bad either way, I see no point in performing CPR anyway on someone in a nursing home they are supposed to go at that age, Probably wanted to go Who the F!@#$% wants to live until 90 anyway?
Obviously you guys know nothing about The risks involved in CPR When it is done wrong... broken Ribs, punctured lungs, Arrythmia if you dont take a pulse properly, CPR is for someone in Cardiac arrest not a heart attack there is a difference...Why not read about it before you give opinions, I am a CPR and First Aid instructor..that nurse would have felt bad either way, I see no point in performing CPR anyway on someone in a nursing home they are supposed to go at that age, Probably wanted to go Who the F!@#$% wants to live until 90 anyway?
Yea you are right.......you would not want to risk breaking a rib to save a life. Far better to let the person die!!!! No one can be this stupid, but it appears you are. That is why the law protects you when you act appropriately - you may break a rib saving a life. Jesus Christ - quit your job. You teach life saving - wow, just wow. Who made you God to decide when a person is supposed to go.
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