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    Need Covers advice: My friend may lose his job by eating just a few bites of a POT brownie.

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    wizardofroz
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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2010 - 9:37 PM ET #1

    Call this naivety or ignorance by both of us, but here is the story.  For what it is worth, I do NOT currently work, so I am not making any of this up to protect myself: 

    This past Saturday night we were basically the only patrons at the bar around midnight.  Since they were closing in about an hour and were not busy, the waitress killed some time by chatting with his other friend to our immediate left. 

    As we were watching the Nevada-Fresno football game, she offered us some of her brownies that she either cooked in the back or brought from home.  I told her no thanks, as I am not much into sweets, but my friend tried a few bites. 

    After about 10 minutes, she informed him that they were POT brownies, and my friend immediately got VERY upset.  He turned to his friend and her and questioned why they did not let him know beforehand that they were not just regular brownies. 

    Whether or not he was telling the truth, his friend said he was unaware that they were pot browies.  When the waitress went to the restroom, the owner at the bar acknowledged that she was a pothead and came into work 30 minutes late a lot, but was very hard to fire since she was so sociable and friendly to talk to. 

    My friend then stated that he could lose his job due to drug testing at work, where they have a zero tolerance policy.  Lo and behold, earlier today on Monday, he was 1 of 8 people that were randomly drug tested. 

    BEFORE he went to the test site down the street, he informed his supervisor that he may test positive due to the few bites he had ingested from the pot brownie over the weekend.  His supervisor then justifiably said that there is not much he could do till the results came back either tomorrow or Wednesday. 

    To ease his mind when he got home, he asked me if he should go by the pharmacy and do the home drug test.  I told him there was no substitute for peace of mind, and he agreed and bought the $20 test kit.      

    At home he did the test, and unfortunately, his results were POSITIVE.  Since the results are probably pretty reliable, he will most likely be fired from his non-union job within a day or two. 

    He does not have a college degree, is single with no kids, and makes about $40,000 to $45,000 a year.  Being there for over 10 years and capping out on his periodic raises, he is fortunate to be making that income from a low-skilled job.

    If he retains his job for some reason, his anger will obviously subside.  But if he does lose his job like he fears, I told him to be completely forthright at work to at least clear his name.  Whether that amounts to him getting his job back is not the issue. 

    And IF he does lose his job, he is considering suing the bar that allowed this to happen.  My friend has not touched marijuana in 15 years, and if he had known they were POT brownies, he NEVER would have taken a bite.  Once again, he knew the risks only AFTER it was too late. 

     Opinions and advice are welcome. 

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.

    Call this naivety or ignorance by both of us, but here is the story.  For what it is worth, I do NOT currently work, so I am not making any of this up to protect myself: 

    This past Saturday night we were basically the only patrons at the bar around midnight.  Since they were closing in about an hour and were not busy, the waitress killed some time by chatting with his other friend to our immediate left. 

    As we were watching the Nevada-Fresno football game, she offered us some of her brownies that she either cooked in the back or brought from home.  I told her no thanks, as I am not much into sweets, but my friend tried a few bites. 

    After about 10 minutes, she informed him that they were POT brownies, and my friend immediately got VERY upset.  He turned to his friend and her and questioned why they did not let him know beforehand that they were not just regular brownies. 

    Whether or not he was telling the truth, his friend said he was unaware that they were pot browies.  When the waitress went to the restroom, the owner at the bar acknowledged that she was a pothead and came into work 30 minutes late a lot, but was very hard to fire since she was so sociable and friendly to talk to. 

    My friend then stated that he could lose his job due to drug testing at work, where they have a zero tolerance policy.  Lo and behold, earlier today on Monday, he was 1 of 8 people that were randomly drug tested. 

    BEFORE he went to the test site down the street, he informed his supervisor that he may test positive due to the few bites he had ingested from the pot brownie over the weekend.  His supervisor then justifiably said that there is not much he could do till the results came back either tomorrow or Wednesday. 

    To ease his mind when he got home, he asked me if he should go by the pharmacy and do the home drug test.  I told him there was no substitute for peace of mind, and he agreed and bought the $20 test kit.      

    At home he did the test, and unfortunately, his results were POSITIVE.  Since the results are probably pretty reliable, he will most likely be fired from his non-union job within a day or two. 

    He does not have a college degree, is single with no kids, and makes about $40,000 to $45,000 a year.  Being there for over 10 years and capping out on his periodic raises, he is fortunate to be making that income from a low-skilled job.

    If he retains his job for some reason, his anger will obviously subside.  But if he does lose his job like he fears, I told him to be completely forthright at work to at least clear his name.  Whether that amounts to him getting his job back is not the issue. 

    And IF he does lose his job, he is considering suing the bar that allowed this to happen.  My friend has not touched marijuana in 15 years, and if he had known they were POT brownies, he NEVER would have taken a bite.  Once again, he knew the risks only AFTER it was too late. 

     Opinions and advice are welcome. 

     
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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2010 - 9:43 PM ET #2

    How were the Brownies was he high atleast?
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    How were the Brownies was he high atleast?
     
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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2010 - 9:50 PM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by tagsrock:

    How were the Brownies was he high atleast?

    He was unaffected by them. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by tagsrock:

    How were the Brownies was he high atleast?

    He was unaffected by them. 

     
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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2010 - 9:54 PM ET #4

    what kind of job does he have that they have random drug testing? i've only heard of testing when offered a new job. anyway, tell him to hire a good attorney.

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    what kind of job does he have that they have random drug testing? i've only heard of testing when offered a new job. anyway, tell him to hire a good attorney.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2010 - 10:12 PM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by picc818:

    what kind of job does he have that they have random drug testing? i've only heard of testing when offered a new job. anyway, tell him to hire a good attorney.

     I have told him to call a good defense attorney that I know for advice if this goes bad as expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by picc818:

    what kind of job does he have that they have random drug testing? i've only heard of testing when offered a new job. anyway, tell him to hire a good attorney.

     I have told him to call a good defense attorney that I know for advice if this goes bad as expected.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2010 - 10:19 PM ET #6

    never take sweets from strangers
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    never take sweets from strangers
     
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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2010 - 10:28 PM ET #7

    pot is for losers, he's a loser so he was fired
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    pot is for losers, he's a loser so he was fired
     
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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2010 - 10:32 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by RichardA:

    pot is for losers, he's a loser so he was fired

     Please reread the initial post before making such an asinine comment again.  He does not care for pot, and unknowingly ingested it.   

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardA:

    pot is for losers, he's a loser so he was fired

     Please reread the initial post before making such an asinine comment again.  He does not care for pot, and unknowingly ingested it.   

     
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    I think your boy is fucking with you  There is no way he would be unaffected by pot brownies yet test positive. Virtually no THC lost through baking brownies, he hasn't smoked in 15 yrs, she's a pothead so doesn't smoke weak bud. These factors alone make it unbelievable as well If it was so weak he was unaffected it would pass through his system rather quickly unless he is extremely overweight.  
    Then you have the bar owner who is perfectly cool with his bartender feeding unknowing customers brownies laced with an illegal drug.  I know KY has loose weed laws but no bar owner would be cool w/ this. Then he doesn't figure a way around the test, go to a head shop and buy a flush, get someone else to piss etc.. Oh and as luck would have it they test him within 36 hrs of eating the brownies.  I'm not calling you a liar but if his careers on the line he would need to go to the pigs with you as a witness and provide proof he was slipped a mickey.  This may clear his name.
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    I think your boy is fucking with you  There is no way he would be unaffected by pot brownies yet test positive. Virtually no THC lost through baking brownies, he hasn't smoked in 15 yrs, she's a pothead so doesn't smoke weak bud. These factors alone make it unbelievable as well If it was so weak he was unaffected it would pass through his system rather quickly unless he is extremely overweight.  
    Then you have the bar owner who is perfectly cool with his bartender feeding unknowing customers brownies laced with an illegal drug.  I know KY has loose weed laws but no bar owner would be cool w/ this. Then he doesn't figure a way around the test, go to a head shop and buy a flush, get someone else to piss etc.. Oh and as luck would have it they test him within 36 hrs of eating the brownies.  I'm not calling you a liar but if his careers on the line he would need to go to the pigs with you as a witness and provide proof he was slipped a mickey.  This may clear his name.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2010 - 10:40 PM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by ALSNOW:

    I think your boy is fucking with you  There is no way he would be unaffected by pot brownies yet test positive. Virtually no THC lost through baking brownies, he hasn't smoked in 15 yrs, she's a pothead so doesn't smoke weak bud. These factors alone make it unbelievable as well If it was so weak he was unaffected it would pass through his system rather quickly unless he is extremely overweight.  
    Then you have the bar owner who is perfectly cool with his bartender feeding unknowing customers brownies laced with an illegal drug.  I know KY has loose weed laws but no bar owner would be cool w/ this. Then he doesn't figure a way around the test, go to a head shop and buy a flush, get someone else to piss etc.. Oh and as luck would have it they test him within 36 hrs of eating the brownies.  I'm not calling you a liar but if his careers on the line he would need to go to the pigs with you as a witness and provide proof he was slipped a mickey.  This may clear his name.

     He thought of the flush idea after it was too late.  He obviously thought he had done nothing intentionally wrong and there was nothing to hide.  I told him I will be his witness to the whole incident if it will help him at all to get through this. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALSNOW:

    I think your boy is fucking with you  There is no way he would be unaffected by pot brownies yet test positive. Virtually no THC lost through baking brownies, he hasn't smoked in 15 yrs, she's a pothead so doesn't smoke weak bud. These factors alone make it unbelievable as well If it was so weak he was unaffected it would pass through his system rather quickly unless he is extremely overweight.  
    Then you have the bar owner who is perfectly cool with his bartender feeding unknowing customers brownies laced with an illegal drug.  I know KY has loose weed laws but no bar owner would be cool w/ this. Then he doesn't figure a way around the test, go to a head shop and buy a flush, get someone else to piss etc.. Oh and as luck would have it they test him within 36 hrs of eating the brownies.  I'm not calling you a liar but if his careers on the line he would need to go to the pigs with you as a witness and provide proof he was slipped a mickey.  This may clear his name.

     He thought of the flush idea after it was too late.  He obviously thought he had done nothing intentionally wrong and there was nothing to hide.  I told him I will be his witness to the whole incident if it will help him at all to get through this. 

     
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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2010 - 10:43 PM ET #11

    Also, he has zero reason to lie to me, and out of boredom, I went to the drugstore with him to get the drug test kit.
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    Also, he has zero reason to lie to me, and out of boredom, I went to the drugstore with him to get the drug test kit.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2010 - 10:49 PM ET #12

    Stone free, do to what I please,

    Stone free, to ride the breeze,

    Nice going, AHole

    Oh, and by the way, I didn't know it was illegal to perfrom armed robbery......................could happen to anyone.............

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    Stone free, do to what I please,

    Stone free, to ride the breeze,

    Nice going, AHole

    Oh, and by the way, I didn't know it was illegal to perfrom armed robbery......................could happen to anyone.............

     
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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2010 - 10:56 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by The Hawk:

    Stone free, do to what I please,

    Stone free, to ride the breeze,

    Nice going, AHole

    Oh, and by the way, I didn't know it was illegal to perfrom armed robbery......................could happen to anyone.............

     Are you high?  I have no idea what you are talking about, so please expound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Hawk:

    Stone free, do to what I please,

    Stone free, to ride the breeze,

    Nice going, AHole

    Oh, and by the way, I didn't know it was illegal to perfrom armed robbery......................could happen to anyone.............

     Are you high?  I have no idea what you are talking about, so please expound.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2010 - 11:06 PM ET #14

    This is hilarious to me because this same thing happened to my boss except he ate the cookie knowing full well that it was laced.

     

    He failed the initial test but passed a follow up test and still works here

     

    Gl to your friend

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    This is hilarious to me because this same thing happened to my boss except he ate the cookie knowing full well that it was laced.

     

    He failed the initial test but passed a follow up test and still works here

     

    Gl to your friend

     
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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2010 - 11:06 PM ET #15

    Not only will your buddy almost certainly lose his job, he's most likely headed for jail.

    Under the Kentucky state "Brownie Decree" which was enacted in 1974 it thereby states that any offender caught ingesting marijuana via an edible format is eligible to be sentenced for anywhere between 5-7 years in State Prison.

    Seeing as he tested positive and has no evidence to back up his story he'll be lucky to do less than 4 years.  Unfortunate for him. 
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    Not only will your buddy almost certainly lose his job, he's most likely headed for jail.

    Under the Kentucky state "Brownie Decree" which was enacted in 1974 it thereby states that any offender caught ingesting marijuana via an edible format is eligible to be sentenced for anywhere between 5-7 years in State Prison.

    Seeing as he tested positive and has no evidence to back up his story he'll be lucky to do less than 4 years.  Unfortunate for him. 
     
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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2010 - 11:07 PM ET #16

    oh and my advice to himn would be to sell everything the house the cars drain the savings and put it all on some random 3 teamer
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    oh and my advice to himn would be to sell everything the house the cars drain the savings and put it all on some random 3 teamer
     
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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2010 - 11:13 PM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by avsfan135:

    oh and my advice to himn would be to sell everything the house the cars drain the savings and put it all on some random 3 teamer

     I told him he better start betting more than $50 per game and try to hit a good run of gambling before he has to move back home with his parents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by avsfan135:

    oh and my advice to himn would be to sell everything the house the cars drain the savings and put it all on some random 3 teamer

     I told him he better start betting more than $50 per game and try to hit a good run of gambling before he has to move back home with his parents.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2010 - 11:37 PM ET #18

    I dont agree with piss testing at all. Its retarded and a waste of money.

    I was a supervisor at UPS 10-11 years ago and they decided to do away with testing for the new hire part timers due to being a waste of tons of money. Yearly average turnover was in the 75% range

    I have moved on from there and have been in management at a couple of other BIG warehouse distribution companies.....What I have learned behind closed doors is there is no such thing as RANDOM testing!

    No company has a lottery system to draw names or anything close to it.

    Here is how RANDOM testing is done.....What I have seen with my own eyes is that if upper management behind closed doors, thinks someone is a........

    Troublemaker, isnt personally liked for various reasons, is performing just good enough to keep their job but not produce the numbers that management sets for goals, makes a much higher wage than others for the same job and since hiring cheap replacements. And the list goes on for reasons of selecting canidates for "RANDOM TESTING"

    Those 8 at his job were hand picked by individuals in that company. And people buy into the fairness of random testing Reagan and all that just say no campaign is doing more harm than good these days in my opinion. If any individual challenges the validity of a companies random testing policy, that individual will lose to the big lawyers which sucks for innocent people who smoke one here and there.

    And as far as suing the bar, I do not think there is enough proof in the court of law to win that arguement I mean it wouldnt hurt to have a free consultation with a few lawyers but I would expect for them to say you have a losing case just becuase of the situation how it happend

    I myself was a victim to this recession earlier this year and was laid off as Operations Manager for a 2nd shift. Of course I knew something was up but was lied to. To these distribution companies, its all about cost per unit to ship. I was one of 5 managers who averaged about 80k a year let go. So that is a easy decision to the down sizers to take out the higher paid employees right off the bat. After I was laid off I heard they took out about 40 hourly employees. The avg. hourly pay for them was 10 bucks a hour. But im sure most of that 40 lays off were people who were way above the average. The shitty thing is I know there will be bigger bonuses to the upper management that are there for the cost savings this year versus last

    Anyway sorry I could go on forever about bullshit companies.

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    I dont agree with piss testing at all. Its retarded and a waste of money.

    I was a supervisor at UPS 10-11 years ago and they decided to do away with testing for the new hire part timers due to being a waste of tons of money. Yearly average turnover was in the 75% range

    I have moved on from there and have been in management at a couple of other BIG warehouse distribution companies.....What I have learned behind closed doors is there is no such thing as RANDOM testing!

    No company has a lottery system to draw names or anything close to it.

    Here is how RANDOM testing is done.....What I have seen with my own eyes is that if upper management behind closed doors, thinks someone is a........

    Troublemaker, isnt personally liked for various reasons, is performing just good enough to keep their job but not produce the numbers that management sets for goals, makes a much higher wage than others for the same job and since hiring cheap replacements. And the list goes on for reasons of selecting canidates for "RANDOM TESTING"

    Those 8 at his job were hand picked by individuals in that company. And people buy into the fairness of random testing Reagan and all that just say no campaign is doing more harm than good these days in my opinion. If any individual challenges the validity of a companies random testing policy, that individual will lose to the big lawyers which sucks for innocent people who smoke one here and there.

    And as far as suing the bar, I do not think there is enough proof in the court of law to win that arguement I mean it wouldnt hurt to have a free consultation with a few lawyers but I would expect for them to say you have a losing case just becuase of the situation how it happend

    I myself was a victim to this recession earlier this year and was laid off as Operations Manager for a 2nd shift. Of course I knew something was up but was lied to. To these distribution companies, its all about cost per unit to ship. I was one of 5 managers who averaged about 80k a year let go. So that is a easy decision to the down sizers to take out the higher paid employees right off the bat. After I was laid off I heard they took out about 40 hourly employees. The avg. hourly pay for them was 10 bucks a hour. But im sure most of that 40 lays off were people who were way above the average. The shitty thing is I know there will be bigger bonuses to the upper management that are there for the cost savings this year versus last

    Anyway sorry I could go on forever about bullshit companies.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2010 - 11:53 PM ET #19

    And as far as what he should say if he fails which he prob will if he failed the home test. As I was typing that I just realized that he admitted that he should come up dirty He has no leg to stand on now if he fails.

    There is a slight chance that if he failed he could demand another test at his expense and claim an error on the first but owell.

    Mistakes do happen but these days that number is small these days due to tests for THC now basically dont have any substance that triggers false positives like they used to.

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    And as far as what he should say if he fails which he prob will if he failed the home test. As I was typing that I just realized that he admitted that he should come up dirty He has no leg to stand on now if he fails.

    There is a slight chance that if he failed he could demand another test at his expense and claim an error on the first but owell.

    Mistakes do happen but these days that number is small these days due to tests for THC now basically dont have any substance that triggers false positives like they used to.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2010 - 11:55 PM ET #20

    LAC -4 est.-6 u92.5 est.87
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    LAC -4 est.-6 u92.5 est.87
     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2010 - 12:05 AM ET #21

     Salty, thanks for your opinion.
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     Salty, thanks for your opinion.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2010 - 12:07 AM ET #22

    Tell him to tell his boss to fuck off.  What he does on his own free time is his own business and has absolutely nothing to do with how he performs his job. 

    Just 1 more reason I am happy not to live in your country. 
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    Tell him to tell his boss to fuck off.  What he does on his own free time is his own business and has absolutely nothing to do with how he performs his job. 

    Just 1 more reason I am happy not to live in your country. 
     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2010 - 12:08 AM ET #23

    Quote Originally Posted by wizardofroz:

     Please reread the initial post before making such an asinine comment again.  He does not care for pot, and unknowingly ingested it.   



    Pure ignorance...

    sorry to hear about your friend... I think that unions help with pay and benefits, but then on the other side they bargain rights and freedoms...

    Hard to make large general statements about THC or THC policy on this one case...  Or at least it would irresponsible...



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    Quote Originally Posted by wizardofroz:

     Please reread the initial post before making such an asinine comment again.  He does not care for pot, and unknowingly ingested it.   



    Pure ignorance...

    sorry to hear about your friend... I think that unions help with pay and benefits, but then on the other side they bargain rights and freedoms...

    Hard to make large general statements about THC or THC policy on this one case...  Or at least it would irresponsible...



     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2010 - 12:55 AM ET #24

    Dont be mad UPS is always hiring
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    Dont be mad UPS is always hiring
     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2010 - 2:03 AM ET #25

    sorry bro, but ur friend is pretty dumb for not even considering that those brownies had weed in them....why would waitress just randomly offer some dude at a bar a brownie????
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    sorry bro, but ur friend is pretty dumb for not even considering that those brownies had weed in them....why would waitress just randomly offer some dude at a bar a brownie????
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