Las Vegas Raiders

Probably fake news by the Raiders organization.   They could not even sell out their own stadium.  So now there are 30-40K Raider fans all over the country eager to buy season tickets.  I bet half of them don't even know their is a PSL fee's.  Once that fee comes out 80% of them will not buy.  

Cleveland has a loyal LOCAL fan base, I do not believe that the LOCAL Vegas population will support an NFL team to the revenue numbers required to make it work long term.

So how many real professional teams has Vegas supported?

Farm league teams do not count btw...

Times have changed. There is more money flowing through Vegas on a weekly from non residents than Cleveland sees from "tourists" all year.

You think Vegas cant handle 8 games a year? Really? 

Perfect point..

LA has a history of following a winner and dogging a loser, so not sure what you are trying to say.

I am saying that Vegas has a small migrant population that has little income (casino workers etc) a large retiree population who does not have the income, a large working class population who has a lower median income and will not support an uproot team that is not successful especially say 5-7 yrs out in time..

The visitor angle has some interest but people go to Vegas to gamble and golf, most people are not from areas without a professional football team who they already support.

The long term support must come from the local market, the people living and working there..and I do not see that as a large enough market to support an NFL team.

Also you do know that the metro Cleveland population is just a slight bit larger than Vegas right? They also have a LONG history of supporting an NFL team...you might as well tried to use Green Bay as a small market who supports an NFL team.

Not gonna argue brother. Not worth it.You are always right on here, and always have been, Vegas has something that no other NFL team has....something to do before and after the game.....I think you are highly underestimating the out of state money. How many people are going to plan their Vegas trips around their teams road game in Vegas? 

A lot. 

Where did I say first year? I think I said the local market cannot support an NFL team long term, in the short term it will be fine.

Also selling seats is not the only source of revenue the teams count on, for sure the local TV market contract will not be massive because the population is small and there is not enough demand.

If the team is a contender every single year, yeah they can survive but if they revert back to the historical performance I think they will struggle in Vegas.

Unlike many other teams, the metro Vegas market is clearly defined, it cannot really expand and is limited. 

Also, if the economy ever does begin to soften, Vegas is hit first and worst...when the housing market got hit, Vegas got destroyed and the casinos really got kicked for a long long time.

Oaklands attendance can't get much worse. Here's the list of where the Raiders stand in average home game attendance rank 1 - 32. Percentage of stadium filled rank is about the same.This does not include any international home games

Corporate and casino's will carry the load in good times and bad a lot better than Oakland every did this century. Url at the bottom. 

2016 32nd

2015 30

2014 32

2013 32

2012 32

2011 29

2010 32

2009 32

2008 31

The AFL and XFL. I actually enjoyed the XFL but they rushed the product. I think the AFL only has 8 teams now. Being there are Raiders fans so close and a ton of people moved here from California, the stadium will absolutely be filled between, locals, transplants, and fans left over making the short drive from California. I mean when they play Denver here over the years that will always sell out. Chiefs fans will probably travel. Hell Charger fans will probably book a Vegas trip.

I would assume also when teams with huge fan bases come to to town they will travel well. The TV network will be interesting as that will have to come fast with the Golden Knights starting soon. I don't know. The stadium is gonna be incredible. I think they will do well.

He said that? Perfect way to rope in the gambler minimizing their impact on the casino's bottom line.

This is why I go after him:

It's 75% here for the Wynn in 2014.

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