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#51
ICAP-
Good to see you around. Hope all is well. 
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#52
Tower 7 collapses, yet it wasnt hit by a plane and only had a few small fires burning, not anywhere near enough to bring a building down.
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More mis-informed lunacy. IF you had done the research, you would have known that it was predicted that WTC 7 was going down about 3+ hours before it actually did. Don't agree? Well let's hear from the people who were THERE:
Firehouse: So we go there and on the north and east side of 7 it didn’t look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didn’t look good.
"They told us to get out of there because they were worried about 7 World Trade Center, which is right behind it, coming down. We were up on the upper floors of the Verizon building looking at it. You could just see the whole bottom corner of the building was gone. We could look right out over to where the Trade Centers were because we were that high up. Looking over the smaller buildings. I just remember it was tremendous, tremendous fires going on.
Only had a few small fires burning.
Idiot.
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#53
Lieutenant William Ryan: "Oh, yes. We had Maydays like crazy.... The heat must have been tremendous. There was so much [expletive] fire there. This whole pile was burning like crazy. Just the heat and the smoke from all the other buildings on fire, you [couldn't] see anything. So it took us a while and we ended up backing everybody out, and [that's] when 7 collapsed"
Only a few small fires burning
Well, a guy who WAS THERE says differently.
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#58
fucking right on pal!!!! this is only tip of the iceberg!!! trillons of dollars are being sent to off shore gran elite!! anybody want to here TRUE american go to alex jones prison planet ,com all info you here from is TRUE all docuemented wake up pepole its time to step up and take america back!!1
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#59
Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:
I've been personally assured by insiders that it really was an inside job
Blanket statement....no evidence
that is one of many that demonstrate that the gov't had ample opportunity to install the demolition explosives.
I was waiting for it, and you delivered. This is exactly what the conspiracy idiots do: Make statements in an attempt to create doubt, but provide zero evidence. "Had ample time to install the demolition explosives." LMAO. Hardly the same as "here is proof they did install the explosives.
How do you paranoid delusional people get through a normal day? 
Thanks very much for all of the great posts that clearly show how clueless Coldsnap, Motzart and these conspiracy theory wacked out no minds are........thank you.
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#60
the owner of WTC7 admits to "pulling it"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYdAJQV100
flight 93 ordered shot down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OB8JE-54Xqc&feature=related
no bodies in shanksville pa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It5JC45KMGo&feature=related
2.3T vanished on 9/10/11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?src_vid=YFjjmvu5ei8&v=jjcRywb6Zf4&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_122724
for what its worth, i dont like going down this rabbit hole but there's a TON of unanswered questions
also, those who did this didnt do it because "we are free" or "our women vote". arabic world didnt wake up one day and decide they hated americans. no one does that. you need to be provoked. sometimes its occupation (iraq, kuwait). sometimes its supporting oppressive dictators or ruling families (saudi, egypt). sometimes the enemy of your enemy is not your friend (iraq, al queda) sometimes its overthrowing a democratically elected government (iran)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYdAJQV100
flight 93 ordered shot down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OB8JE-54Xqc&feature=related
no bodies in shanksville pa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It5JC45KMGo&feature=related
2.3T vanished on 9/10/11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?src_vid=YFjjmvu5ei8&v=jjcRywb6Zf4&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_122724
for what its worth, i dont like going down this rabbit hole but there's a TON of unanswered questions
also, those who did this didnt do it because "we are free" or "our women vote". arabic world didnt wake up one day and decide they hated americans. no one does that. you need to be provoked. sometimes its occupation (iraq, kuwait). sometimes its supporting oppressive dictators or ruling families (saudi, egypt). sometimes the enemy of your enemy is not your friend (iraq, al queda) sometimes its overthrowing a democratically elected government (iran)
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#61
Quote Originally Posted by coldsnap55:
Posts # 14 - 29 - 30 
We both agreed not to get into it....and I'm not going to go off here. But if someone is going to accuse the US government of murdering over 2,000 of its citizens, I want more than "an opinion."
I am happy to debate the facts of the events on that day without calling names. I know you are one of those who believes that Flight 77 didn't hit the pentagon.
1. Do you know why that camera did not detect the plan hitting the side of the building? It was because of the slow frame rate of the camera. The plane was flying at 777 feet per second. Do you realize the frame rate you would need to capture that image at exactly the right time?
2. This is from an engineer who was one of the first on the scene to help. Not a government employee. Just your average Joe. You honestly can flat out say, "he's a liar" or it's part of the cover up? I just honestly am amazed how someone can just completely ignore this stuff.
“Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C.
"I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"
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#62
Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:
the owner of WTC7 admits to "pulling it"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYdAJQV100
flight 93 ordered shot down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OB8JE-54Xqc&feature=related
no bodies in shanksville pa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It5JC45KMGo&feature=related
2.3T vanished on 9/10/11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?src_vid=YFjjmvu5ei8&v=jjcRywb6Zf4&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_122724
for what its worth, i dont like going down this rabbit hole but there's a TON of unanswered questions
also, those who did this didnt do it because "we are free" or "our women vote". arabic world didnt wake up one day and decide they hated americans. no one does that. you need to be provoked. sometimes its occupation (iraq, kuwait). sometimes its supporting oppressive dictators or ruling families (saudi, egypt). sometimes the enemy of your enemy is not your friend (iraq, al queda) sometimes its overthrowing a democratically elected government (iran)
the owner of WTC7 admits to "pulling it"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYdAJQV100
flight 93 ordered shot down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OB8JE-54Xqc&feature=related
no bodies in shanksville pa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It5JC45KMGo&feature=related
2.3T vanished on 9/10/11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?src_vid=YFjjmvu5ei8&v=jjcRywb6Zf4&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_122724
for what its worth, i dont like going down this rabbit hole but there's a TON of unanswered questions
also, those who did this didnt do it because "we are free" or "our women vote". arabic world didnt wake up one day and decide they hated americans. no one does that. you need to be provoked. sometimes its occupation (iraq, kuwait). sometimes its supporting oppressive dictators or ruling families (saudi, egypt). sometimes the enemy of your enemy is not your friend (iraq, al queda) sometimes its overthrowing a democratically elected government (iran)
KOAJ --
1. Isn't a more probable explanation that Silverstein was referring to pulling all efforts to stop the fire in the building?
2. If Flight 93 was shot down, does that somehow mean there was a conspiracy? I don't think that's necessarily the case.
3. Is it really that surprising that no bodies were found after a plane crash? Also, the fact that one witness didn't see any dead bodies, are we really supposed to just take that as fact?
4. The last link has an interesting response to it here: https://www.911myths.com/html/rumsfeld__9_11_and__2_3_trilli.html
Occam's Razor wins the day for this one for me.
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Posted:
#65
Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:
KOAJ --
1. Isn't a more probable explanation that Silverstein was referring to pulling all efforts to stop the fire in the building? <i dont know but pull it referring to pulling a demolition cord seems to be a more fitting description of the term 'pull it'. ive seen a presentation of WTC7 falling vs a controlled demolition and they are identical in speed and looks>
2. If Flight 93 was shot down, does that somehow mean there was a conspiracy? I don't think that's necessarily the case. <not really per se, but where was the plane damage, bodies, etc. the official story is that the Lets Roll guys took the plane down. if that official story is wrong, what else is wrong>
3. Is it really that surprising that no bodies were found after a plane crash? Also, the fact that one witness didn't see any dead bodies, are we really supposed to just take that as fact? <if someone was a first responder to a plane crash is it possible that everything disintegrated in a 20 ft by 8 ft crater? no idea but it my understanding is that they are usually able to pull body parts, check dna etc...nothing was done here. they had the flight manifesto, thats it>
4. The last link has an interesting response to it here: https://www.911myths.com/html/rumsfeld__9_11_and__2_3_trilli.html
Occam's Razor wins the day for this one for me.
KOAJ --
1. Isn't a more probable explanation that Silverstein was referring to pulling all efforts to stop the fire in the building? <i dont know but pull it referring to pulling a demolition cord seems to be a more fitting description of the term 'pull it'. ive seen a presentation of WTC7 falling vs a controlled demolition and they are identical in speed and looks>
2. If Flight 93 was shot down, does that somehow mean there was a conspiracy? I don't think that's necessarily the case. <not really per se, but where was the plane damage, bodies, etc. the official story is that the Lets Roll guys took the plane down. if that official story is wrong, what else is wrong>
3. Is it really that surprising that no bodies were found after a plane crash? Also, the fact that one witness didn't see any dead bodies, are we really supposed to just take that as fact? <if someone was a first responder to a plane crash is it possible that everything disintegrated in a 20 ft by 8 ft crater? no idea but it my understanding is that they are usually able to pull body parts, check dna etc...nothing was done here. they had the flight manifesto, thats it>
4. The last link has an interesting response to it here: https://www.911myths.com/html/rumsfeld__9_11_and__2_3_trilli.html
Occam's Razor wins the day for this one for me.
i heard an interview with tom ridge over the weekend. he was gov of PA. he mentioned going to shanksville a few hours later and he saw no fuselage, no airplane debris. he was told at 500 mph, things would disintegrate and burn up upon impact. i doubt that since there was plane wreckage in NYC that day
a few months later tom ridge was promoted to Head of DHS
there are many things that do not add up.
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Posted:
#67
KOJA-
All the bodies of flight 93 were identified. Every single one. And plenty of wreckage including a lot of 1 engine.
And Kap is right, "pulling" is the exact type of language they use in that business when they are taking crews off a building: I just remember it was tremendous, tremendous fires going on. Finally they pulled us out. They said all right, get out of that building because that 7, they were really worried about. They pulled us out of there and then they regrouped everybody on Vesey Street, between the water and West Street.
And re. the trillion dollars, it doesn't PROVE anything. There were people who didn't get on those planes for various reasons that day.....and it saved their life. Does that mean they were involved? Maybe they just got lucky. They demolished the very core of our financial system....is it really that crazy that something like you mention could happen???
And re. 93, the damn plane was heading toward Washington targeting who knows what. Thousands had already died. Don't you think they would have to at least consider shooting the plane down before it got to it's target for crying out loud?
Haven't you ever seen "Executive Decision." I would have been worried if he had NOT considered shooting it down. It's his damn job for goodness sake.
All these people like to throw out these quotes that were made off the cuff....little slip ups. That day was nothing but chaos and horror. Isn't it likely that some people may have just mis-spoke? Rummy was talking about the "missile" that hit the pentagon so everyone assumes he slipped up and it must have been a missile. Well, he was referring to the plane that was used as a missile. But people want to blow it all out of proportion.
Most of these questions have simple answers. But in an event of that magnitude....chaos.....desctruction....emotion....you're going to have some things that just maybe don't make sense.
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#68
And coldsnap, you have mentioned in the past that all you would need would be footage of the plane hitting the pentagon. Well, if you do any research on the Zapruder film and the amount of headaches (not to mention money in settlements) it cost because it went public, it might shed some light on why they are so secretive. Some footage was used in the trial for Massoui however.
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#69
Hutch is doing a fantastic job here 
Look, asking questions is totally legitimate. Those types of questions SHOULD be asked.
But those people who are just "asking questions" should also be honest enough to be open minded that perhaps there are explanations out there that do not support some sort of grand conspiracy theory.
Look, asking questions is totally legitimate. Those types of questions SHOULD be asked.
But those people who are just "asking questions" should also be honest enough to be open minded that perhaps there are explanations out there that do not support some sort of grand conspiracy theory.
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Posted:
#70
Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:
i heard an interview with tom ridge over the weekend. he was gov of PA. he mentioned going to shanksville a few hours later and he saw no fuselage, no airplane debris. he was told at 500 mph, things would disintegrate and burn up upon impact. i doubt that since there was plane wreckage in NYC that day
a few months later tom ridge was promoted to Head of DHS
there are many things that do not add up.
i heard an interview with tom ridge over the weekend. he was gov of PA. he mentioned going to shanksville a few hours later and he saw no fuselage, no airplane debris. he was told at 500 mph, things would disintegrate and burn up upon impact. i doubt that since there was plane wreckage in NYC that day
a few months later tom ridge was promoted to Head of DHS
there are many things that do not add up.
They recovered plenty of debris and identified every body. And I would like to know who told him that things would "disintegrate and burn on impact." That's another conspiracy tactic....they say "I was told" but they never attach a name or a source. You have no idea if this was some lay person just making assumptions.
And if you look at the site from the air, it does look like everything just "disintegrated."
Do you have any idea if he actually walked down through the debris pile or just kind of looked from afar? It makes a difference.
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#71
Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:
We both agreed not to get into it....and I'm not going to go off here. But if someone is going to accuse the US government of murdering over 2,000 of its citizens, I want more than "an opinion."
I am happy to debate the facts of the events on that day without calling names. I know you are one of those who believes that Flight 77 didn't hit the pentagon.
1. Do you know why that camera did not detect the plan hitting the side of the building? It was because of the slow frame rate of the camera. The plane was flying at 777 feet per second. Do you realize the frame rate you would need to capture that image at exactly the right time?
2. This is from an engineer who was one of the first on the scene to help. Not a government employee. Just your average Joe. You honestly can flat out say, "he's a liar" or it's part of the cover up? I just honestly am amazed how someone can just completely ignore this stuff.
“Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C.
"I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"
And do you really think that THAT is the ONLY film available that captures the crash?.....When they post an actual film of a plane hitting the Pentagon ......I will believe it.
And a plane of that size cannot fly a couple of feet off the ground for that distance....[ Pilots with 30 years of service have said this ]......Let alone by a guy who could barely fly a 2 seater.
And yet 99 % of the plane and engines were vaporizide....Makes no sense.
Just because I don't believe a couple of things that happened that day doesn't mean I agree with ALL that is questioned.
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Posted:
#72
Apparently Tom Ridge FLEW over the crash site:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJOlwcJ6OkA&feature=related
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Posted:
#73
Quote Originally Posted by coldsnap55:
And do you really think that THAT is the ONLY film available that captures the crash?.....When they post an actual film of a plane hitting the Pentagon ......I will believe it.
And a plane of that size cannot fly a couple of feet off the ground for that distance....[ Pilots with 30 years of service have said this ]......Let alone by a guy who could barely fly a 2 seater.
And yet 99 % of the plane and engines were vaporizide....Makes no sense.
Just because I don't believe a couple of things that happened that day doesn't mean I agree with ALL that is questioned.
99% vaporized makes no sense because that's not what happened. They recovered all sorts of debris. No need to do any reading....just look at some pictures.
https://www.911myths.com/html/757_wreckage.html
Take a close look at the picture of the wheel rim.
Now go to this website and scroll down to look at the wheel rim of a Boeing 757-200. They are the same, my friend.
https://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0290.shtml
Same is true of the diffuser case.
I don't know about you, but if I walk in my house and there are muddy footprints on my carpet and my TV is gone, I don't need footage of someone breaking into my home to know it happened.
How can you just explain away all this?
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#74
And the plane did not fly over the ground for that far of a distance. If it would have, it would have slid across several lanes of highway full of cars.
And by the way, how do you explain the all the broken light poles? A missile wouldn't bust those light poles off at the base before it slammed into the pentagon, would it?
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Posted:
#75
Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:
And the plane did not fly over the ground for that far of a distance. If it would have, it would have slid across several lanes of highway full of cars.
And by the way, how do you explain the all the broken light poles? A missile wouldn't bust those light poles off at the base before it slammed into the pentagon, would it?
Do Not put words in my mouth.....Where did I say missle?
And I honestly don't care about links about quotes and pictures when the ones that prove otherwise somehow are meaningless.
At 500 MPH ...Just how long do you think it takes to fly 2 feet off the ground level.....like in the ONLY film shown?
Still no explanation of the rookie 2 seater pilots incredible feat. 
" And the plane did not fly over the ground for that far of a distance. If it would have, it would have slid across several lanes of highway full of cars."
I think that proves my point.
"I don't know about you, but if I walk in my house and there are muddy footprints on my carpet and my TV is gone, I don't need footage of someone breaking into my home to know it happened."
Personally....I can deduce that someone broke in without the muddy footprints.
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