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    Posted: Sep. 12, 2016 - 9:54 AM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    It is literally almost every game they mess up timeouts.

    For instance - I am up early today just watching a random GT vs BC game....

    With the clock running...  BC has the ball 4th and whatever up 14-10 with about 3:30 left in the game.  They have 2 timeouts left because they already wasted one.

    They call timeout to punt.  Instead of just sending the punter out there with the training and instruction to snap at 1 second on the playclock, they call a timeout with 1 second and then punt.

    Of course....  GT goes and scores and suddenly BC wishes they had that TO.

    A fatal mistake is that coaches never anticipate the what ifs correctly.  They never assume they might need that timeout, so they call them in the 3rd quarter or in this case - when they had the lead.

    This happens ALL THE TIME and decides winners from losers.


    yesterday, i saw what i think is the worst example of wasting a timeout before a punt that i can remember seeing. i'm sure a lot of people saw it.

    it was the NYG/Dallas game.  giants up 1.  about 1:15 left.  NYG have the ball on the dallas 38.  that much i remember because it's what makes this so incredibly stupid.  4th down, NYG are going to punt.  NYG are waiting for the play clock to run out and i just can just feel this moron mcadoo is going to call a timeout.  and with a second left, he wastes a timeout. 

    what makes this one especially dumb is the friggin giants are on the dallas 38 and mcadoo can't figure out that a timeout in a 1 point game is 100 times more valuable than the 5 yards you'd lose on a delay of game penalty when you are on the other team's 38.  with more than a minute left, dallas could easily get a field goal and then you might have 30 seconds or so to get the lead back and you'd desperately need that timeout.

    so, instead of losing the 5 yards on a delay of game penalty and kicking from the dallas 43 rather than the 38, mcadoo wastes the timeout.  not that it matters, but of course the NYG punter punts it about 5 yards into the end zone for a touchback.

    this is indefensible. 

    anyway, the NYG beat a depleted cowboys team and i heard mcadoo got the game ball when he should probably be demoted to assistant.

    as ignorant as some of these coaches are about timeouts and clock management, we'll probably see a dumber example at some point, but for an nfl coach who gets paid a lot of money to make these decisions, this one was amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    It is literally almost every game they mess up timeouts.

    For instance - I am up early today just watching a random GT vs BC game....

    With the clock running...  BC has the ball 4th and whatever up 14-10 with about 3:30 left in the game.  They have 2 timeouts left because they already wasted one.

    They call timeout to punt.  Instead of just sending the punter out there with the training and instruction to snap at 1 second on the playclock, they call a timeout with 1 second and then punt.

    Of course....  GT goes and scores and suddenly BC wishes they had that TO.

    A fatal mistake is that coaches never anticipate the what ifs correctly.  They never assume they might need that timeout, so they call them in the 3rd quarter or in this case - when they had the lead.

    This happens ALL THE TIME and decides winners from losers.


    yesterday, i saw what i think is the worst example of wasting a timeout before a punt that i can remember seeing. i'm sure a lot of people saw it.

    it was the NYG/Dallas game.  giants up 1.  about 1:15 left.  NYG have the ball on the dallas 38.  that much i remember because it's what makes this so incredibly stupid.  4th down, NYG are going to punt.  NYG are waiting for the play clock to run out and i just can just feel this moron mcadoo is going to call a timeout.  and with a second left, he wastes a timeout. 

    what makes this one especially dumb is the friggin giants are on the dallas 38 and mcadoo can't figure out that a timeout in a 1 point game is 100 times more valuable than the 5 yards you'd lose on a delay of game penalty when you are on the other team's 38.  with more than a minute left, dallas could easily get a field goal and then you might have 30 seconds or so to get the lead back and you'd desperately need that timeout.

    so, instead of losing the 5 yards on a delay of game penalty and kicking from the dallas 43 rather than the 38, mcadoo wastes the timeout.  not that it matters, but of course the NYG punter punts it about 5 yards into the end zone for a touchback.

    this is indefensible. 

    anyway, the NYG beat a depleted cowboys team and i heard mcadoo got the game ball when he should probably be demoted to assistant.

    as ignorant as some of these coaches are about timeouts and clock management, we'll probably see a dumber example at some point, but for an nfl coach who gets paid a lot of money to make these decisions, this one was amazing.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 13, 2016 - 9:22 AM ET #27

    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:



    yesterday, i saw what i think is the worst example of wasting a timeout before a punt that i can remember seeing. i'm sure a lot of people saw it.

    it was the NYG/Dallas game.  giants up 1.  about 1:15 left.  NYG have the ball on the dallas 38.  that much i remember because it's what makes this so incredibly stupid.  4th down, NYG are going to punt.  NYG are waiting for the play clock to run out and i just can just feel this moron mcadoo is going to call a timeout.  and with a second left, he wastes a timeout. 

    what makes this one especially dumb is the friggin giants are on the dallas 38 and mcadoo can't figure out that a timeout in a 1 point game is 100 times more valuable than the 5 yards you'd lose on a delay of game penalty when you are on the other team's 38.  with more than a minute left, dallas could easily get a field goal and then you might have 30 seconds or so to get the lead back and you'd desperately need that timeout.

    so, instead of losing the 5 yards on a delay of game penalty and kicking from the dallas 43 rather than the 38, mcadoo wastes the timeout.  not that it matters, but of course the NYG punter punts it about 5 yards into the end zone for a touchback.

    this is indefensible. 

    anyway, the NYG beat a depleted cowboys team and i heard mcadoo got the game ball when he should probably be demoted to assistant.

    as ignorant as some of these coaches are about timeouts and clock management, we'll probably see a dumber example at some point, but for an nfl coach who gets paid a lot of money to make these decisions, this one was amazing.


    Not only that, with :10 remaining and no T.O.'s Dallas receiver catches a 14 yard pass that would've given them a chance at a game winning 60 yard FG. Instead of going out of bounds, he cuts it back inside, is immediately tackled, clock runs out, game over.....
    Everyone screaming in "Jerry's playhouse" knew he needed to get out to stop the clock. He must've had money on the Giants or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:



    yesterday, i saw what i think is the worst example of wasting a timeout before a punt that i can remember seeing. i'm sure a lot of people saw it.

    it was the NYG/Dallas game.  giants up 1.  about 1:15 left.  NYG have the ball on the dallas 38.  that much i remember because it's what makes this so incredibly stupid.  4th down, NYG are going to punt.  NYG are waiting for the play clock to run out and i just can just feel this moron mcadoo is going to call a timeout.  and with a second left, he wastes a timeout. 

    what makes this one especially dumb is the friggin giants are on the dallas 38 and mcadoo can't figure out that a timeout in a 1 point game is 100 times more valuable than the 5 yards you'd lose on a delay of game penalty when you are on the other team's 38.  with more than a minute left, dallas could easily get a field goal and then you might have 30 seconds or so to get the lead back and you'd desperately need that timeout.

    so, instead of losing the 5 yards on a delay of game penalty and kicking from the dallas 43 rather than the 38, mcadoo wastes the timeout.  not that it matters, but of course the NYG punter punts it about 5 yards into the end zone for a touchback.

    this is indefensible. 

    anyway, the NYG beat a depleted cowboys team and i heard mcadoo got the game ball when he should probably be demoted to assistant.

    as ignorant as some of these coaches are about timeouts and clock management, we'll probably see a dumber example at some point, but for an nfl coach who gets paid a lot of money to make these decisions, this one was amazing.


    Not only that, with :10 remaining and no T.O.'s Dallas receiver catches a 14 yard pass that would've given them a chance at a game winning 60 yard FG. Instead of going out of bounds, he cuts it back inside, is immediately tackled, clock runs out, game over.....
    Everyone screaming in "Jerry's playhouse" knew he needed to get out to stop the clock. He must've had money on the Giants or something.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 13, 2016 - 10:13 AM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by GimmeMoneyNow:



    Not only that, with :10 remaining and no T.O.'s Dallas receiver catches a 14 yard pass that would've given them a chance at a game winning 60 yard FG. Instead of going out of bounds, he cuts it back inside, is immediately tackled, clock runs out, game over.....
    Everyone screaming in "Jerry's playhouse" knew he needed to get out to stop the clock. He must've had money on the Giants or something.


    yeah, i saw that.  it was terrible too.  it's hard to understand how someone who has been playing football that long doesn't know you need to get out of bounds there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GimmeMoneyNow:



    Not only that, with :10 remaining and no T.O.'s Dallas receiver catches a 14 yard pass that would've given them a chance at a game winning 60 yard FG. Instead of going out of bounds, he cuts it back inside, is immediately tackled, clock runs out, game over.....
    Everyone screaming in "Jerry's playhouse" knew he needed to get out to stop the clock. He must've had money on the Giants or something.


    yeah, i saw that.  it was terrible too.  it's hard to understand how someone who has been playing football that long doesn't know you need to get out of bounds there.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2016 - 12:11 PM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:



    yesterday, i saw what i think is the worst example of wasting a timeout before a punt that i can remember seeing. i'm sure a lot of people saw it.

    it was the NYG/Dallas game.  giants up 1.  about 1:15 left.  NYG have the ball on the dallas 38.  that much i remember because it's what makes this so incredibly stupid.  4th down, NYG are going to punt.  NYG are waiting for the play clock to run out and i just can just feel this moron mcadoo is going to call a timeout.  and with a second left, he wastes a timeout. 

    what makes this one especially dumb is the friggin giants are on the dallas 38 and mcadoo can't figure out that a timeout in a 1 point game is 100 times more valuable than the 5 yards you'd lose on a delay of game penalty when you are on the other team's 38.  with more than a minute left, dallas could easily get a field goal and then you might have 30 seconds or so to get the lead back and you'd desperately need that timeout.

    so, instead of losing the 5 yards on a delay of game penalty and kicking from the dallas 43 rather than the 38, mcadoo wastes the timeout.  not that it matters, but of course the NYG punter punts it about 5 yards into the end zone for a touchback.

    this is indefensible. 

    anyway, the NYG beat a depleted cowboys team and i heard mcadoo got the game ball when he should probably be demoted to assistant.

    as ignorant as some of these coaches are about timeouts and clock management, we'll probably see a dumber example at some point, but for an nfl coach who gets paid a lot of money to make these decisions, this one was amazing.

    Just getting to this....

    That game actually had a ton of idiotic moves.  First off - THE COWBOYS SHOULD HAVE ATTEMPTED TO LET THE GIANTS SCORE.  They were down by 1, with about 2:20 left - and best case scenario they were getting the ball back deep with only about 30 seconds left (which is what happened).

    Second is the timeout you describe - which is also really stupid.

    Here is the golden rule of timeouts in the NFL (applies 95% of the time).....


    ONLY USE TIMEOUTS TO STOP THE CLOCK.

    Never use a timeout to discuss strategy.  Never use a timeout to save a delay of game.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:



    yesterday, i saw what i think is the worst example of wasting a timeout before a punt that i can remember seeing. i'm sure a lot of people saw it.

    it was the NYG/Dallas game.  giants up 1.  about 1:15 left.  NYG have the ball on the dallas 38.  that much i remember because it's what makes this so incredibly stupid.  4th down, NYG are going to punt.  NYG are waiting for the play clock to run out and i just can just feel this moron mcadoo is going to call a timeout.  and with a second left, he wastes a timeout. 

    what makes this one especially dumb is the friggin giants are on the dallas 38 and mcadoo can't figure out that a timeout in a 1 point game is 100 times more valuable than the 5 yards you'd lose on a delay of game penalty when you are on the other team's 38.  with more than a minute left, dallas could easily get a field goal and then you might have 30 seconds or so to get the lead back and you'd desperately need that timeout.

    so, instead of losing the 5 yards on a delay of game penalty and kicking from the dallas 43 rather than the 38, mcadoo wastes the timeout.  not that it matters, but of course the NYG punter punts it about 5 yards into the end zone for a touchback.

    this is indefensible. 

    anyway, the NYG beat a depleted cowboys team and i heard mcadoo got the game ball when he should probably be demoted to assistant.

    as ignorant as some of these coaches are about timeouts and clock management, we'll probably see a dumber example at some point, but for an nfl coach who gets paid a lot of money to make these decisions, this one was amazing.

    Just getting to this....

    That game actually had a ton of idiotic moves.  First off - THE COWBOYS SHOULD HAVE ATTEMPTED TO LET THE GIANTS SCORE.  They were down by 1, with about 2:20 left - and best case scenario they were getting the ball back deep with only about 30 seconds left (which is what happened).

    Second is the timeout you describe - which is also really stupid.

    Here is the golden rule of timeouts in the NFL (applies 95% of the time).....


    ONLY USE TIMEOUTS TO STOP THE CLOCK.

    Never use a timeout to discuss strategy.  Never use a timeout to save a delay of game.


     
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    Dont talk about your 4th down play with a timeout.  Dont freeze the other kicker with a timeout.  Dont ever call timeouts in the first or third quarter.  Dont call a timeout to "make decisions".
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    Dont talk about your 4th down play with a timeout.  Dont freeze the other kicker with a timeout.  Dont ever call timeouts in the first or third quarter.  Dont call a timeout to "make decisions".
     
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    Did anyone see the Bills / Jets game last night?

    With 7:10 left in the game, and the moronic Rex Ryan Bills behind - at the Jets 40 on 4th and 1 - he runs out the "lets say hike really loud and hope they jump offsides" play.

    Of course it doesnt work - so I am thinking no big deal - they will take the delay of game and punt.

    But what does Rex do?  Calls timeout, goes for it - and of course doesnt get it.

    They guess what?  They actually need that timeout at the end and lose the game.

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    Did anyone see the Bills / Jets game last night?

    With 7:10 left in the game, and the moronic Rex Ryan Bills behind - at the Jets 40 on 4th and 1 - he runs out the "lets say hike really loud and hope they jump offsides" play.

    Of course it doesnt work - so I am thinking no big deal - they will take the delay of game and punt.

    But what does Rex do?  Calls timeout, goes for it - and of course doesnt get it.

    They guess what?  They actually need that timeout at the end and lose the game.

    Happens every week.  Even in the NFL.
     
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    i saw it.  i mentioned it in my thread in the nfl forum.  you could just see it coming too.  so could the jets, of course.

    the bills can fire their offensive coordinator, as if that makes a difference, but ryan won't be around too long. 
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    i saw it.  i mentioned it in my thread in the nfl forum.  you could just see it coming too.  so could the jets, of course.

    the bills can fire their offensive coordinator, as if that makes a difference, but ryan won't be around too long. 
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrfixers:

    I totally dissagree with that statement 

    many times HC or asst DEF Coach sees something wrong in defense or offense and has to call a time out.

    OR wind up losing the game.

    sometimes i wonder why coaches never use time outs at all.

    WTF they do with them when they go home hang em on coat rack



    You clearly do not understand advanced game theory and strategy.

    Back to bed.

    Support your local animal shelter. I am on twitter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrfixers:

    I totally dissagree with that statement 

    many times HC or asst DEF Coach sees something wrong in defense or offense and has to call a time out.

    OR wind up losing the game.

    sometimes i wonder why coaches never use time outs at all.

    WTF they do with them when they go home hang em on coat rack



    You clearly do not understand advanced game theory and strategy.

    Back to bed.

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