@Raiders22 Maybe it is an OJ strategy to present different alternatives from different lines of questioning. But I have not seen that yet. They seem focused on contributory factors of death (manslaughter) rather than claim the Officer was no factor (complete acquittal). Given that the Government never offered a plea to manslaughter (and my opinion is that is only because of the publicity), it isn't surprising that this becomes defense strategy.
How much, if any, did they key in on his past complaints? Maybe that forced them down that path?
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Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:
@Raiders22 Maybe it is an OJ strategy to present different alternatives from different lines of questioning. But I have not seen that yet. They seem focused on contributory factors of death (manslaughter) rather than claim the Officer was no factor (complete acquittal). Given that the Government never offered a plea to manslaughter (and my opinion is that is only because of the publicity), it isn't surprising that this becomes defense strategy.
How much, if any, did they key in on his past complaints? Maybe that forced them down that path?
Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75: Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life: Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75: Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life: Quote Originally Posted by thorpe: There was no reason to arrest him. They had his ID. Issue him a citation and move on. It was not a violent crime and it was only 20 bucks. When white collar criminals steal millions, they don't get this treatment. Minnessota and most states have a law called felony murder. "A legal doctrine that allows anyone involved in a felony to be charged with murder if a death occurs during the course of the felony, even if they did not intend to kill anyone." So Chauvin's intent is irrelevant and so is Floyd's state. If Chauvin kneeling was a felony, then it was murder, There was a case where person A scammed person B out of some money. Person B and four of his friends beat up person A. After, as they were driving away person A fired a rifle at the car and killed someone. Everyone involved was convicted of murder. Good luck explaining anything to people who think the police are judge , jury and executioner ...That is until their orange messiah loses an election than its assault the cops by all means necessary.. Haha I guess everything is Trump's fault. He's been gone nearly 3 months. You know who rarely get shot by police, people who comply. Wait I thought in Murica we're innocent until proven guilty ??? When were the police given the right to shoot people for traffic violations and warrants ??? Idiot cop already said he thought he was using his taser instead of his firearm.. Breonna taylor was sleeping in her bed . Oh cool in your fantasy world no police are ever harmed, shot or killed. If that were the case, then police would have no reason to shoot black, white or latino people. Grow up I love good law enforcement....Related to a bunch ... Of course when deadly force is required they should use it However how the F doesn't a 26 year vet not know the difference between a taser and firearm ??? White people get harrassed and shot by a hole cops as well ..This isnt just solely a minority issue
That defense is flimsy at best about the taser/gun. These people though are giving police a reason to fear for their safety though. There are thousands upon thousands of people of all races stopped by police and this crap doesn't happen and no one is shot or harmed. It's people who want to fight and resist who end up having bad experiences, including death.
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Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:
Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75: Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life: Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75: Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life: Quote Originally Posted by thorpe: There was no reason to arrest him. They had his ID. Issue him a citation and move on. It was not a violent crime and it was only 20 bucks. When white collar criminals steal millions, they don't get this treatment. Minnessota and most states have a law called felony murder. "A legal doctrine that allows anyone involved in a felony to be charged with murder if a death occurs during the course of the felony, even if they did not intend to kill anyone." So Chauvin's intent is irrelevant and so is Floyd's state. If Chauvin kneeling was a felony, then it was murder, There was a case where person A scammed person B out of some money. Person B and four of his friends beat up person A. After, as they were driving away person A fired a rifle at the car and killed someone. Everyone involved was convicted of murder. Good luck explaining anything to people who think the police are judge , jury and executioner ...That is until their orange messiah loses an election than its assault the cops by all means necessary.. Haha I guess everything is Trump's fault. He's been gone nearly 3 months. You know who rarely get shot by police, people who comply. Wait I thought in Murica we're innocent until proven guilty ??? When were the police given the right to shoot people for traffic violations and warrants ??? Idiot cop already said he thought he was using his taser instead of his firearm.. Breonna taylor was sleeping in her bed . Oh cool in your fantasy world no police are ever harmed, shot or killed. If that were the case, then police would have no reason to shoot black, white or latino people. Grow up I love good law enforcement....Related to a bunch ... Of course when deadly force is required they should use it However how the F doesn't a 26 year vet not know the difference between a taser and firearm ??? White people get harrassed and shot by a hole cops as well ..This isnt just solely a minority issue
That defense is flimsy at best about the taser/gun. These people though are giving police a reason to fear for their safety though. There are thousands upon thousands of people of all races stopped by police and this crap doesn't happen and no one is shot or harmed. It's people who want to fight and resist who end up having bad experiences, including death.
defense today put into evidence today a arrest made by another officer against floyd where floyd was on opiods about a year before he was killed/in my opinion is not relavant cause what floyd did or didnt do doesnt matter itsabout what chauvin did defense is getting destroyed in cross examinations chauvin will be found guilty i believe just dont know what he will be convicted of as he did contribute to his death
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@Raiders22
defense today put into evidence today a arrest made by another officer against floyd where floyd was on opiods about a year before he was killed/in my opinion is not relavant cause what floyd did or didnt do doesnt matter itsabout what chauvin did defense is getting destroyed in cross examinations chauvin will be found guilty i believe just dont know what he will be convicted of as he did contribute to his death
@benhogan76 They were. In fact, from watching the defense presentation thus far, I believe they are conceding manslaughter but arguing no malice aforethought as well as contributing factors to the death.
Not saying I disagree but both sides of most any high profile case can get “experts” to testify to their end.
With out them we will be third world country.
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Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:
@benhogan76 They were. In fact, from watching the defense presentation thus far, I believe they are conceding manslaughter but arguing no malice aforethought as well as contributing factors to the death.
Not saying I disagree but both sides of most any high profile case can get “experts” to testify to their end.
Quote Originally Posted by tommyboy is my biatchh:
@Raiders22 defense today put into evidence today a arrest made by another officer against floyd where floyd was on opiods about a year before he was killed/in my opinion is not relavant cause what floyd did or didnt do doesnt matter itsabout what chauvin did defense is getting destroyed in cross examinations chauvin will be found guilty i believe just dont know what he will be convicted of as he did contribute to his death
I read that as well. Also, read the guy had overdosed some time before, etc. Not sure if this has been brought up.
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Quote Originally Posted by tommyboy is my biatchh:
@Raiders22 defense today put into evidence today a arrest made by another officer against floyd where floyd was on opiods about a year before he was killed/in my opinion is not relavant cause what floyd did or didnt do doesnt matter itsabout what chauvin did defense is getting destroyed in cross examinations chauvin will be found guilty i believe just dont know what he will be convicted of as he did contribute to his death
I read that as well. Also, read the guy had overdosed some time before, etc. Not sure if this has been brought up.
This is an open-in-shut Manslaughter conviction. he'll get 8, do 6, be on the street in 4.5....The real question here is "where is he going to do his time" PC? (realistically speaking, 'the hole') I don't think so. GP? he'll be gone in 72hrs....Which gives me reasoning to believe that alternate measures may be applied in a case where a white police officer is sent to prison for Murdering an African-American AKA George Floyd. may he RIP.
I see years of 'house arrest' connected to a tethering system, leading to an out of state halfway house. The DOC will improvise, and secure the situation.
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@tommyboy is my biatchh
This is an open-in-shut Manslaughter conviction. he'll get 8, do 6, be on the street in 4.5....The real question here is "where is he going to do his time" PC? (realistically speaking, 'the hole') I don't think so. GP? he'll be gone in 72hrs....Which gives me reasoning to believe that alternate measures may be applied in a case where a white police officer is sent to prison for Murdering an African-American AKA George Floyd. may he RIP.
I see years of 'house arrest' connected to a tethering system, leading to an out of state halfway house. The DOC will improvise, and secure the situation.
Its state, not federal time so he will be in a the closest state jail outside of Minnesota that has the jail transfer agreement with Minnesota (I actually think it is Illinois, but that is simply by memory).
No criminal history so he will be in immediate maximum detention for 30 days until he is moved to medium (assuming his sentence is under 10 years, which is likely).
With that said, the Minn. statute allows for a depraved indifference finding for a murder conviction. Murder at +450 would be a good play, albeit a morbid bet.
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@sports_Network
Its state, not federal time so he will be in a the closest state jail outside of Minnesota that has the jail transfer agreement with Minnesota (I actually think it is Illinois, but that is simply by memory).
No criminal history so he will be in immediate maximum detention for 30 days until he is moved to medium (assuming his sentence is under 10 years, which is likely).
With that said, the Minn. statute allows for a depraved indifference finding for a murder conviction. Murder at +450 would be a good play, albeit a morbid bet.
@sports_Network Its state, not federal time so he will be in a the closest state jail outside of Minnesota that has the jail transfer agreement with Minnesota (I actually think it is Illinois, but that is simply by memory). No criminal history so he will be in immediate maximum detention for 30 days until he is moved to medium (assuming his sentence is under 10 years, which is likely). With that said, the Minn. statute allows for a depraved indifference finding for a murder conviction. Murder at +450 would be a good play, albeit a morbid bet.
I'd bet a few hundo on that +450 as well ..
Wish they'd throw him in Gen Pop
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Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:
@sports_Network Its state, not federal time so he will be in a the closest state jail outside of Minnesota that has the jail transfer agreement with Minnesota (I actually think it is Illinois, but that is simply by memory). No criminal history so he will be in immediate maximum detention for 30 days until he is moved to medium (assuming his sentence is under 10 years, which is likely). With that said, the Minn. statute allows for a depraved indifference finding for a murder conviction. Murder at +450 would be a good play, albeit a morbid bet.
Quote Originally Posted by benhogan76: I feel for any business owner , result doesn’t matter. If he gets convicted of murder I dont think there will be riots ...
I hope not but fairly confident there will be some who do. I don’t know, does Minnesota have death penalty? Seems unlikely to me, guessing that is only thing that may stop city being burned. Hope I am wrong.
Competely different situation but Montreal imposed curfew last week because of Covid and fukface protesters go to streets to smash window fronts of privately owned stores, burn sh it and loot. Would love to have one of them explain how that helps?
With out them we will be third world country.
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Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:
Quote Originally Posted by benhogan76: I feel for any business owner , result doesn’t matter. If he gets convicted of murder I dont think there will be riots ...
I hope not but fairly confident there will be some who do. I don’t know, does Minnesota have death penalty? Seems unlikely to me, guessing that is only thing that may stop city being burned. Hope I am wrong.
Competely different situation but Montreal imposed curfew last week because of Covid and fukface protesters go to streets to smash window fronts of privately owned stores, burn sh it and loot. Would love to have one of them explain how that helps?
Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life: Quote Originally Posted by benhogan76: I feel for any business owner , result doesn’t matter. If he gets convicted of murder I dont think there will be riots ...I hope not but fairly confident there will be some who do. I don’t know, does Minnesota have death penalty? Seems unlikely to me, guessing that is only thing that may stop city being burned. Hope I am wrong. Competely different situation but Montreal imposed curfew last week because of Covid and fukface protesters go to streets to smash window fronts of privately owned stores, burn sh it and loot. Would love to have one of them explain how that helps?
Pathetic idiots .Who is that going to help ???
It's not like Covid is going to be afraid to infect people now or the government wo stop the curfew
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Quote Originally Posted by benhogan76:
Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life: Quote Originally Posted by benhogan76: I feel for any business owner , result doesn’t matter. If he gets convicted of murder I dont think there will be riots ...I hope not but fairly confident there will be some who do. I don’t know, does Minnesota have death penalty? Seems unlikely to me, guessing that is only thing that may stop city being burned. Hope I am wrong. Competely different situation but Montreal imposed curfew last week because of Covid and fukface protesters go to streets to smash window fronts of privately owned stores, burn sh it and loot. Would love to have one of them explain how that helps?
Pathetic idiots .Who is that going to help ???
It's not like Covid is going to be afraid to infect people now or the government wo stop the curfew
As long the siblings get to keep the 26 million .....Probably nothing ! 5 years in a Texas jail and Georgie had not one family visit....I guess they were busy or something,go figure,
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@aaironworks
As long the siblings get to keep the 26 million .....Probably nothing ! 5 years in a Texas jail and Georgie had not one family visit....I guess they were busy or something,go figure,
Even if carbon monoxide from tailpipe exhaust had anything to do with his cause of death (which it didn't) who was it who put him helpless handcuffed in that position to breathe in that poison gas? Derek Chauvin, wasn't it? Either way he killed him, either with his knee on his neck or from placing him in front a the tailpipe of a running car. Even if he died from carbon monoxide poisoning, Chauvin is still responsible for causing his death.
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@lennon65
Even if carbon monoxide from tailpipe exhaust had anything to do with his cause of death (which it didn't) who was it who put him helpless handcuffed in that position to breathe in that poison gas? Derek Chauvin, wasn't it? Either way he killed him, either with his knee on his neck or from placing him in front a the tailpipe of a running car. Even if he died from carbon monoxide poisoning, Chauvin is still responsible for causing his death.
Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life: Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75: Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life: Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75: Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life: Quote Originally Posted by thorpe: There was no reason to arrest him. They had his ID. Issue him a citation and move on. It was not a violent crime and it was only 20 bucks. When white collar criminals steal millions, they don't get this treatment. Minnessota and most states have a law called felony murder. "A legal doctrine that allows anyone involved in a felony to be charged with murder if a death occurs during the course of the felony, even if they did not intend to kill anyone." So Chauvin's intent is irrelevant and so is Floyd's state. If Chauvin kneeling was a felony, then it was murder, There was a case where person A scammed person B out of some money. Person B and four of his friends beat up person A. After, as they were driving away person A fired a rifle at the car and killed someone. Everyone involved was convicted of murder. Good luck explaining anything to people who think the police are judge , jury and executioner ...That is until their orange messiah loses an election than its assault the cops by all means necessary.. Haha I guess everything is Trump's fault. He's been gone nearly 3 months. You know who rarely get shot by police, people who comply. Wait I thought in Murica we're innocent until proven guilty ??? When were the police given the right to shoot people for traffic violations and warrants ??? Idiot cop already said he thought he was using his taser instead of his firearm.. Breonna taylor was sleeping in her bed . Oh cool in your fantasy world no police are ever harmed, shot or killed. If that were the case, then police would have no reason to shoot black, white or latino people. Grow up I love good law enforcement....Related to a bunch ... Of course when deadly force is required they should use it However how the F doesn't a 26 year vet not know the difference between a taser and firearm ??? White people get harrassed and shot by a hole cops as well ..This isnt just solely a minority issue That defense is flimsy at best about the taser/gun. These people though are giving police a reason to fear for their safety though. There are thousands upon thousands of people of all races stopped by police and this crap doesn't happen and no one is shot or harmed. It's people who want to fight and resist who end up having bad experiences, including death.
But why are they fearing for their lives? Last year covid killed more cops in the line of duty than guns. There were something like 50 total. So why are they so afraid?
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Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75:
Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life: Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75: Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life: Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75: Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life: Quote Originally Posted by thorpe: There was no reason to arrest him. They had his ID. Issue him a citation and move on. It was not a violent crime and it was only 20 bucks. When white collar criminals steal millions, they don't get this treatment. Minnessota and most states have a law called felony murder. "A legal doctrine that allows anyone involved in a felony to be charged with murder if a death occurs during the course of the felony, even if they did not intend to kill anyone." So Chauvin's intent is irrelevant and so is Floyd's state. If Chauvin kneeling was a felony, then it was murder, There was a case where person A scammed person B out of some money. Person B and four of his friends beat up person A. After, as they were driving away person A fired a rifle at the car and killed someone. Everyone involved was convicted of murder. Good luck explaining anything to people who think the police are judge , jury and executioner ...That is until their orange messiah loses an election than its assault the cops by all means necessary.. Haha I guess everything is Trump's fault. He's been gone nearly 3 months. You know who rarely get shot by police, people who comply. Wait I thought in Murica we're innocent until proven guilty ??? When were the police given the right to shoot people for traffic violations and warrants ??? Idiot cop already said he thought he was using his taser instead of his firearm.. Breonna taylor was sleeping in her bed . Oh cool in your fantasy world no police are ever harmed, shot or killed. If that were the case, then police would have no reason to shoot black, white or latino people. Grow up I love good law enforcement....Related to a bunch ... Of course when deadly force is required they should use it However how the F doesn't a 26 year vet not know the difference between a taser and firearm ??? White people get harrassed and shot by a hole cops as well ..This isnt just solely a minority issue That defense is flimsy at best about the taser/gun. These people though are giving police a reason to fear for their safety though. There are thousands upon thousands of people of all races stopped by police and this crap doesn't happen and no one is shot or harmed. It's people who want to fight and resist who end up having bad experiences, including death.
But why are they fearing for their lives? Last year covid killed more cops in the line of duty than guns. There were something like 50 total. So why are they so afraid?
[Quote: Originally Posted by joe pockets]@aaironworks As long the siblings get to keep the 26 million .....Probably nothing ! 5 years in a Texas jail and Georgie had not one family visit....I guess they were busy or something,go figure,[/Quote
If only Georgie would have complied with his arrest got in the car he’ll be out passing 20s to this day… What a POS
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[Quote: Originally Posted by joe pockets]@aaironworks As long the siblings get to keep the 26 million .....Probably nothing ! 5 years in a Texas jail and Georgie had not one family visit....I guess they were busy or something,go figure,[/Quote
If only Georgie would have complied with his arrest got in the car he’ll be out passing 20s to this day… What a POS
@aaironworks As long the siblings get to keep the 26 million .....Probably nothing ! 5 years in a Texas jail and Georgie had not one family visit....I guess they were busy or something,go figure,[/Quote If only Georgie would have complied with his arrest got in the car he’ll be out passing 20s to this day… What a POS
If we had a law enforcement officer not a pig in tights Floyd would be in a holding cell awaiting pretrial bail hearing.
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Quote Originally Posted by joe pockets:
Quote Originally Posted by joe pockets:
@aaironworks As long the siblings get to keep the 26 million .....Probably nothing ! 5 years in a Texas jail and Georgie had not one family visit....I guess they were busy or something,go figure,[/Quote If only Georgie would have complied with his arrest got in the car he’ll be out passing 20s to this day… What a POS
If we had a law enforcement officer not a pig in tights Floyd would be in a holding cell awaiting pretrial bail hearing.
Yah the aryans gonna fuckhim but they keep him from being smoked cause the colored want him dead and the aryans can make em suffer by allowing him protection.
The rapist just kill him for a fat cake.
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As far as general population or pc.
Personally I feel he be better off in gp.
Yah the aryans gonna fuckhim but they keep him from being smoked cause the colored want him dead and the aryans can make em suffer by allowing him protection.
According to a poll conducted by Yahoo News/YouGov, found 34.5 percent of respondents saying they have watched less sports due to social justice campaigns. Personally I would’ve thought it was more.
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According to a poll conducted by Yahoo News/YouGov, found 34.5 percent of respondents saying they have watched less sports due to social justice campaigns. Personally I would’ve thought it was more.
Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75: Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life: Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75: Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life: Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75: Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life: Quote Originally Posted by thorpe: There was no reason to arrest him. They had his ID. Issue him a citation and move on. It was not a violent crime and it was only 20 bucks. When white collar criminals steal millions, they don't get this treatment. Minnessota and most states have a law called felony murder. "A legal doctrine that allows anyone involved in a felony to be charged with murder if a death occurs during the course of the felony, even if they did not intend to kill anyone." So Chauvin's intent is irrelevant and so is Floyd's state. If Chauvin kneeling was a felony, then it was murder, There was a case where person A scammed person B out of some money. Person B and four of his friends beat up person A. After, as they were driving away person A fired a rifle at the car and killed someone. Everyone involved was convicted of murder. Good luck explaining anything to people who think the police are judge , jury and executioner ...That is until their orange messiah loses an election than its assault the cops by all means necessary.. Haha I guess everything is Trump's fault. He's been gone nearly 3 months. You know who rarely get shot by police, people who comply. Wait I thought in Murica we're innocent until proven guilty ??? When were the police given the right to shoot people for traffic violations and warrants ??? Idiot cop already said he thought he was using his taser instead of his firearm.. Breonna taylor was sleeping in her bed . Oh cool in your fantasy world no police are ever harmed, shot or killed. If that were the case, then police would have no reason to shoot black, white or latino people. Grow up I love good law enforcement....Related to a bunch ... Of course when deadly force is required they should use it However how the F doesn't a 26 year vet not know the difference between a taser and firearm ??? White people get harrassed and shot by a hole cops as well ..This isnt just solely a minority issue That defense is flimsy at best about the taser/gun. These people though are giving police a reason to fear for their safety though. There are thousands upon thousands of people of all races stopped by police and this crap doesn't happen and no one is shot or harmed. It's people who want to fight and resist who end up having bad experiences, including death. But why are they fearing for their lives? Last year covid killed more cops in the line of duty than guns. There were something like 50 total. So why are they so afraid?
Pretty straightforward actually. Hard to think someone does not know this.
At any rate, this link explains one guy’s thoughts on this. It also touches on what I always say about pulling your gun for the first time.
Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75: Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life: Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75: Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life: Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75: Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life: Quote Originally Posted by thorpe: There was no reason to arrest him. They had his ID. Issue him a citation and move on. It was not a violent crime and it was only 20 bucks. When white collar criminals steal millions, they don't get this treatment. Minnessota and most states have a law called felony murder. "A legal doctrine that allows anyone involved in a felony to be charged with murder if a death occurs during the course of the felony, even if they did not intend to kill anyone." So Chauvin's intent is irrelevant and so is Floyd's state. If Chauvin kneeling was a felony, then it was murder, There was a case where person A scammed person B out of some money. Person B and four of his friends beat up person A. After, as they were driving away person A fired a rifle at the car and killed someone. Everyone involved was convicted of murder. Good luck explaining anything to people who think the police are judge , jury and executioner ...That is until their orange messiah loses an election than its assault the cops by all means necessary.. Haha I guess everything is Trump's fault. He's been gone nearly 3 months. You know who rarely get shot by police, people who comply. Wait I thought in Murica we're innocent until proven guilty ??? When were the police given the right to shoot people for traffic violations and warrants ??? Idiot cop already said he thought he was using his taser instead of his firearm.. Breonna taylor was sleeping in her bed . Oh cool in your fantasy world no police are ever harmed, shot or killed. If that were the case, then police would have no reason to shoot black, white or latino people. Grow up I love good law enforcement....Related to a bunch ... Of course when deadly force is required they should use it However how the F doesn't a 26 year vet not know the difference between a taser and firearm ??? White people get harrassed and shot by a hole cops as well ..This isnt just solely a minority issue That defense is flimsy at best about the taser/gun. These people though are giving police a reason to fear for their safety though. There are thousands upon thousands of people of all races stopped by police and this crap doesn't happen and no one is shot or harmed. It's people who want to fight and resist who end up having bad experiences, including death. But why are they fearing for their lives? Last year covid killed more cops in the line of duty than guns. There were something like 50 total. So why are they so afraid?
Pretty straightforward actually. Hard to think someone does not know this.
At any rate, this link explains one guy’s thoughts on this. It also touches on what I always say about pulling your gun for the first time.
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