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    Mike41082
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    Posted: Feb. 25, 2016 - 1:53 PM ET #1

    The Popularity of Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders are the direct eventual result of the Citizens United Ruling... there is so much dark money now, every candidate is such a huge corp. shill ... people recognize this ... and the only alternative have become a Rich egotistical A-Hole who answers to no one ... and the Guy backed by Labor Unions.
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    The Popularity of Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders are the direct eventual result of the Citizens United Ruling... there is so much dark money now, every candidate is such a huge corp. shill ... people recognize this ... and the only alternative have become a Rich egotistical A-Hole who answers to no one ... and the Guy backed by Labor Unions.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 25, 2016 - 1:55 PM ET #2

    Trump has a chance, Bernie does not
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    Trump has a chance, Bernie does not
     
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    Posted: Feb. 25, 2016 - 2:00 PM ET #3

    trump is the only one who works with unions .

    he builds things must employ afl/cio steel workers union and alot of others
    to get 'er done
    dont believe the top can labor whom to vote for.
    bernie = goldwater+ no chance of defeating hillary
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    trump is the only one who works with unions .

    he builds things must employ afl/cio steel workers union and alot of others
    to get 'er done
    dont believe the top can labor whom to vote for.
    bernie = goldwater+ no chance of defeating hillary
     
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    Posted: Feb. 25, 2016 - 2:05 PM ET #4

    Bernie Sanders is a Socialist Juw

    Even if he got elected he would be dead in 6 months
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    Bernie Sanders is a Socialist Juw

    Even if he got elected he would be dead in 6 months
     
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    Posted: Feb. 25, 2016 - 2:19 PM ET #5

    The problem with Bernie is;  giving false hope to the younger generation. I can't tell you how many times people on FB post his theories on free this, free that and when you engage in a debate about how all this free stuff will be paid for they give up. 

    He's not even a democrat, but yet they still follow this loony.

    Just tell people they will get free stuff and they will blindly follow like the sheep they are.
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    The problem with Bernie is;  giving false hope to the younger generation. I can't tell you how many times people on FB post his theories on free this, free that and when you engage in a debate about how all this free stuff will be paid for they give up. 

    He's not even a democrat, but yet they still follow this loony.

    Just tell people they will get free stuff and they will blindly follow like the sheep they are.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 25, 2016 - 7:20 PM ET #6

    He isn't promising free stuff...

    He's promising to make things affordable for my generation.

    I don't know how old you guys are but the generation before me had affordable schooling. (My parents went to a great state university for 2,000 a year) That same school is now over 20,000 a year. How do you expect students to pay for that when job wages haven't come close to matching the tuition inflation. 

    It's not that people are lazy and want free stuff, it's just ridiculous to tell people if they wanna go to college they have to pay debt until they're 35 and not even be guaranteed a decent job out of college. It wasn't always that way. 

    You can say it's lazy and people want free stuff all you want but that's simply not true. Things in this country aren't affordable anymore for the average citizen. Look at other successful countries, they have universal healthcare and subsidized education, the U.S. is behind on the times and corporations keep filling their pockets and will continue to do so with anyone in office other than Bernie. He's the only one not backed by these greedy corporations.
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    He isn't promising free stuff...

    He's promising to make things affordable for my generation.

    I don't know how old you guys are but the generation before me had affordable schooling. (My parents went to a great state university for 2,000 a year) That same school is now over 20,000 a year. How do you expect students to pay for that when job wages haven't come close to matching the tuition inflation. 

    It's not that people are lazy and want free stuff, it's just ridiculous to tell people if they wanna go to college they have to pay debt until they're 35 and not even be guaranteed a decent job out of college. It wasn't always that way. 

    You can say it's lazy and people want free stuff all you want but that's simply not true. Things in this country aren't affordable anymore for the average citizen. Look at other successful countries, they have universal healthcare and subsidized education, the U.S. is behind on the times and corporations keep filling their pockets and will continue to do so with anyone in office other than Bernie. He's the only one not backed by these greedy corporations.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2016 - 1:58 AM ET #7

    ^^

    Other countries have free tuition and free healthcare. The United States AKA the greatest country in the world doesn't?


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    ^^

    Other countries have free tuition and free healthcare. The United States AKA the greatest country in the world doesn't?


     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2016 - 7:32 AM ET #8

    us subsidizes the other countries we could give free health care and free education but we would have to scale back military involvement in germany ,japan, saudi arabia, isreali . and south korea,

    this leads to these countries military build up and those exact countries could have a functional nuclear weapon deployable in less than a month....

    although it sucks it a pill we must continue to swallow to insure world peace.

    estimates are japan and germany could have the weopon functioning in about three days as the material is availible through tokyo light and power and subsequently germany's now closed reactor.

    this is reality we face. opening the us to buy us companies insurance policies though is a no brainer. the competing interests of anthem , atna, harvard pilgrim and hmos can reduce the policies in a true fair market system.
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    us subsidizes the other countries we could give free health care and free education but we would have to scale back military involvement in germany ,japan, saudi arabia, isreali . and south korea,

    this leads to these countries military build up and those exact countries could have a functional nuclear weapon deployable in less than a month....

    although it sucks it a pill we must continue to swallow to insure world peace.

    estimates are japan and germany could have the weopon functioning in about three days as the material is availible through tokyo light and power and subsequently germany's now closed reactor.

    this is reality we face. opening the us to buy us companies insurance policies though is a no brainer. the competing interests of anthem , atna, harvard pilgrim and hmos can reduce the policies in a true fair market system.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2016 - 7:34 AM ET #9

    it would be lovely to incorporate a scandinavian model for goverment but usa is needed to extroverted military while these nations are allowed to just take care of their own needs knowing us can face off against russia and china simultaneously.
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    it would be lovely to incorporate a scandinavian model for goverment but usa is needed to extroverted military while these nations are allowed to just take care of their own needs knowing us can face off against russia and china simultaneously.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2016 - 1:15 PM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    it would be lovely to incorporate a scandinavian model for goverment but usa is needed to extroverted military while these nations are allowed to just take care of their own needs knowing us can face off against russia and china simultaneously.

    Ole Sweden's successful model is circling the drain now that they are burdened by so many immigrants and illegals.  Sure socialism works great in a small responsible, homogenous population with the same ethics and ideals but inevitably crumbles with a larger more diverse population.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    it would be lovely to incorporate a scandinavian model for goverment but usa is needed to extroverted military while these nations are allowed to just take care of their own needs knowing us can face off against russia and china simultaneously.

    Ole Sweden's successful model is circling the drain now that they are burdened by so many immigrants and illegals.  Sure socialism works great in a small responsible, homogenous population with the same ethics and ideals but inevitably crumbles with a larger more diverse population.


     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2016 - 1:24 PM ET #11

    Yeah I dont get the misinformation about Sanders..

    The guy has been in politics a very long time and if nothing he is pretty consistent for a politician.

    I'd take him over Clinton all day every day and for sure over that knucklehead Trump.

    What a super sad state we are in with no real solid alternatives without limitations.

    I'd take an oddball leaning socialist over an uneducated blow hard clown or a deceptive dishonest Hilary.
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    Yeah I dont get the misinformation about Sanders..

    The guy has been in politics a very long time and if nothing he is pretty consistent for a politician.

    I'd take him over Clinton all day every day and for sure over that knucklehead Trump.

    What a super sad state we are in with no real solid alternatives without limitations.

    I'd take an oddball leaning socialist over an uneducated blow hard clown or a deceptive dishonest Hilary.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2016 - 2:37 PM ET #12

    https://www.ora.tv/offthegrid/2014/5/16/the-united-oligarchy-of-america-0_69ai0215ux42


    Cut and paste
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    https://www.ora.tv/offthegrid/2014/5/16/the-united-oligarchy-of-america-0_69ai0215ux42


    Cut and paste
     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2016 - 3:11 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by MclatchyHostage:

    He isn't promising free stuff...

    He's promising to make things affordable for my generation.

    I don't know how old you guys are but the generation before me had affordable schooling. (My parents went to a great state university for 2,000 a year) That same school is now over 20,000 a year. How do you expect students to pay for that when job wages haven't come close to matching the tuition inflation. 

    It's not that people are lazy and want free stuff, it's just ridiculous to tell people if they wanna go to college they have to pay debt until they're 35 and not even be guaranteed a decent job out of college. It wasn't always that way. 

    You can say it's lazy and people want free stuff all you want but that's simply not true. Things in this country aren't affordable anymore for the average citizen. Look at other successful countries, they have universal healthcare and subsidized education, the U.S. is behind on the times and corporations keep filling their pockets and will continue to do so with anyone in office other than Bernie. He's the only one not backed by these greedy corporations.


    You can say he's trying to make education and health care affordable, however his message to the young is "free". How do you think Obama took off...everyone expected "free" health care, not affordable. How is that mandatory tax "affordable", how about in a handful of years when the tax explodes and people will need a second mortgage to be able to afford "affordable' aka mandatory tax!?

    The schools are raising the cost of an education becasue they can. Just like the housing market, there is a demand for money and the banks will take advantage. If people stopped taking out loans for school and instead set out a financial plan of working and going to school maybe students wouldn't need the banks to afford school and then maybe the schools wouldn't raise their prices so drastically. There is a problem with students taking out loans and not thinking of how they have to pay them back. Just becasue you goto college and graduate doesn't mean you're guarantee a job, so why take out massive debt?  Now students are upset about paying their debt back and Sanders is taking advantage of them by suggesting school will be "free".   Go ask Bernie supporters and majority will say they believe school will be "free".

    Please stop saying other countries are better off with their subsidized health care and education. What is their population compared to the US? Are they really better off paying over 55% in taxes? You can't compare other countries to ours becasue they are not as populated as ours.

    I agree the corporations are a major problem, if they raised their prices and paid for US employees I don't think the US population would have any issues with paying a bit more for their goods and services. Fact is all politicians are bought from corporations and big banks, Bernie is in that group as well.

    Things aren't affordable anymore becasue people need the newest Iphone, their Jordan shoes, and a brand new car. What ever happened to setting out a plan and leaving frugal, like your parents probably did?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MclatchyHostage:

    He isn't promising free stuff...

    He's promising to make things affordable for my generation.

    I don't know how old you guys are but the generation before me had affordable schooling. (My parents went to a great state university for 2,000 a year) That same school is now over 20,000 a year. How do you expect students to pay for that when job wages haven't come close to matching the tuition inflation. 

    It's not that people are lazy and want free stuff, it's just ridiculous to tell people if they wanna go to college they have to pay debt until they're 35 and not even be guaranteed a decent job out of college. It wasn't always that way. 

    You can say it's lazy and people want free stuff all you want but that's simply not true. Things in this country aren't affordable anymore for the average citizen. Look at other successful countries, they have universal healthcare and subsidized education, the U.S. is behind on the times and corporations keep filling their pockets and will continue to do so with anyone in office other than Bernie. He's the only one not backed by these greedy corporations.


    You can say he's trying to make education and health care affordable, however his message to the young is "free". How do you think Obama took off...everyone expected "free" health care, not affordable. How is that mandatory tax "affordable", how about in a handful of years when the tax explodes and people will need a second mortgage to be able to afford "affordable' aka mandatory tax!?

    The schools are raising the cost of an education becasue they can. Just like the housing market, there is a demand for money and the banks will take advantage. If people stopped taking out loans for school and instead set out a financial plan of working and going to school maybe students wouldn't need the banks to afford school and then maybe the schools wouldn't raise their prices so drastically. There is a problem with students taking out loans and not thinking of how they have to pay them back. Just becasue you goto college and graduate doesn't mean you're guarantee a job, so why take out massive debt?  Now students are upset about paying their debt back and Sanders is taking advantage of them by suggesting school will be "free".   Go ask Bernie supporters and majority will say they believe school will be "free".

    Please stop saying other countries are better off with their subsidized health care and education. What is their population compared to the US? Are they really better off paying over 55% in taxes? You can't compare other countries to ours becasue they are not as populated as ours.

    I agree the corporations are a major problem, if they raised their prices and paid for US employees I don't think the US population would have any issues with paying a bit more for their goods and services. Fact is all politicians are bought from corporations and big banks, Bernie is in that group as well.

    Things aren't affordable anymore becasue people need the newest Iphone, their Jordan shoes, and a brand new car. What ever happened to setting out a plan and leaving frugal, like your parents probably did?
     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2016 - 3:29 PM ET #14

    Lets face it.  Trump is the best candidate.  Hillary is a criminal and annoying as hell.  Sanders, uh no explanation needed.  However I would take him over Hillary.  Every year bad candidates.  
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    Lets face it.  Trump is the best candidate.  Hillary is a criminal and annoying as hell.  Sanders, uh no explanation needed.  However I would take him over Hillary.  Every year bad candidates.  
     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2016 - 4:09 PM ET #15

    If all Trump did his whole Presidency was get a wall built on the Southern border the effects of that would be far more beneficial than the sum total of anything the current presidency has done in the last two terms
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    If all Trump did his whole Presidency was get a wall built on the Southern border the effects of that would be far more beneficial than the sum total of anything the current presidency has done in the last two terms
     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2016 - 4:17 PM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by thecentaur:

    If all Trump did his whole Presidency was get a wall built on the Southern border the effects of that would be far more beneficial than the sum total of anything the current presidency has done in the last two terms

    So how much will this cost and who is going to pay for the build and maintenance and monitoring??

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    Quote Originally Posted by thecentaur:

    If all Trump did his whole Presidency was get a wall built on the Southern border the effects of that would be far more beneficial than the sum total of anything the current presidency has done in the last two terms

    So how much will this cost and who is going to pay for the build and maintenance and monitoring??

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


    So how much will this cost and who is going to pay for the build and maintenance and monitoring??



    Estimates are 10-20 billion, with an extra 1-2 billion per year to maintain and monitor.  There are many direct and indirect ways to fund it.  I think a significant aspect aside from funding methods is the old saying "A penny saved is a penny earned."  Getting rid of, or even modestly reducing the indirect costs of illegals and drug smuggling to our country is worth much more than the cost of a secure border.  The insurance and lost productivity costs alone of the current undeniable heroin epidemic is mind boggling. 

    This is an excerpt from Trump's website:

    Make Mexico Pay For The Wall

    For many years, Mexico’s leaders have been taking advantage of the United States by using illegal immigration to export the crime and poverty in their own country (as well as in other Latin American countries). They have even published pamphlets on how to illegally immigrate to the United States. The costs for the United States have been extraordinary: U.S. taxpayers have been asked to pick up hundreds of billions in healthcare costs, housing costs, education costs, welfare costs, etc. Indeed, the annual cost of free tax credits alone paid to illegal immigrants quadrupled to $4.2 billion in 2011. The effects on jobseekers have also been disastrous, and black Americans have been particularly harmed.

    The impact in terms of crime has been tragic. In recent weeks, the headlines have been covered with cases of criminals who crossed our border illegally only to go on to commit horrific crimes against Americans. Most recently, an illegal immigrant from Mexico, with a long arrest record, is charged with breaking into a 64 year-old woman’s home, crushing her skull and eye sockets with a hammer, raping her, and murdering her. The Police Chief in Santa Maria says the “blood trail” leads straight to Washington.

    In 2011, the Government Accountability Office found that there were a shocking 3 million arrests attached to the incarcerated alien population, including tens of thousands of violent beatings, rapes and murders.

    Meanwhile, Mexico continues to make billions on not only our bad trade deals but also relies heavily on the billions of dollars in remittances sent from illegal immigrants in the United States back to Mexico ($22 billion in 2013 alone).

    In short, the Mexican government has taken the United States to the cleaners. They are responsible for this problem, and they must help pay to clean it up.

    The cost of building a permanent border wall pales mightily in comparison to what American taxpayers spend every single year on dealing with the fallout of illegal immigration on their communities, schools and unemployment offices.

    Mexico must pay for the wall and, until they do, the United States will, among other things: impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages; increase fees on all temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and diplomats (and if necessary cancel them); increase fees on all border crossing cards – of which we issue about 1 million to Mexican nationals each year (a major source of visa overstays); increase fees on all NAFTA worker visas from Mexico (another major source of overstays); and increase fees at ports of entry to the United States from Mexico [Tariffs and foreign aid cuts are also options].  We will not be taken advantage of anymore.

    Defend The Laws And Constitution Of The United States

    America will only be great as long as America remains a nation of laws that lives according to the Constitution. No one is above the law. The following steps will return to the American people the safety of their laws, which politicians have stolen from them:


    It is debatable whether to believe him or not.  Unlike other politicians though, given his track record as an aggressive businessman he is simply much less likely to compromise or turn his back on this issue.  His ego is too big to accept failing on this. 


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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


    So how much will this cost and who is going to pay for the build and maintenance and monitoring??



    Estimates are 10-20 billion, with an extra 1-2 billion per year to maintain and monitor.  There are many direct and indirect ways to fund it.  I think a significant aspect aside from funding methods is the old saying "A penny saved is a penny earned."  Getting rid of, or even modestly reducing the indirect costs of illegals and drug smuggling to our country is worth much more than the cost of a secure border.  The insurance and lost productivity costs alone of the current undeniable heroin epidemic is mind boggling. 

    This is an excerpt from Trump's website:

    Make Mexico Pay For The Wall

    For many years, Mexico’s leaders have been taking advantage of the United States by using illegal immigration to export the crime and poverty in their own country (as well as in other Latin American countries). They have even published pamphlets on how to illegally immigrate to the United States. The costs for the United States have been extraordinary: U.S. taxpayers have been asked to pick up hundreds of billions in healthcare costs, housing costs, education costs, welfare costs, etc. Indeed, the annual cost of free tax credits alone paid to illegal immigrants quadrupled to $4.2 billion in 2011. The effects on jobseekers have also been disastrous, and black Americans have been particularly harmed.

    The impact in terms of crime has been tragic. In recent weeks, the headlines have been covered with cases of criminals who crossed our border illegally only to go on to commit horrific crimes against Americans. Most recently, an illegal immigrant from Mexico, with a long arrest record, is charged with breaking into a 64 year-old woman’s home, crushing her skull and eye sockets with a hammer, raping her, and murdering her. The Police Chief in Santa Maria says the “blood trail” leads straight to Washington.

    In 2011, the Government Accountability Office found that there were a shocking 3 million arrests attached to the incarcerated alien population, including tens of thousands of violent beatings, rapes and murders.

    Meanwhile, Mexico continues to make billions on not only our bad trade deals but also relies heavily on the billions of dollars in remittances sent from illegal immigrants in the United States back to Mexico ($22 billion in 2013 alone).

    In short, the Mexican government has taken the United States to the cleaners. They are responsible for this problem, and they must help pay to clean it up.

    The cost of building a permanent border wall pales mightily in comparison to what American taxpayers spend every single year on dealing with the fallout of illegal immigration on their communities, schools and unemployment offices.

    Mexico must pay for the wall and, until they do, the United States will, among other things: impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages; increase fees on all temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and diplomats (and if necessary cancel them); increase fees on all border crossing cards – of which we issue about 1 million to Mexican nationals each year (a major source of visa overstays); increase fees on all NAFTA worker visas from Mexico (another major source of overstays); and increase fees at ports of entry to the United States from Mexico [Tariffs and foreign aid cuts are also options].  We will not be taken advantage of anymore.

    Defend The Laws And Constitution Of The United States

    America will only be great as long as America remains a nation of laws that lives according to the Constitution. No one is above the law. The following steps will return to the American people the safety of their laws, which politicians have stolen from them:


    It is debatable whether to believe him or not.  Unlike other politicians though, given his track record as an aggressive businessman he is simply much less likely to compromise or turn his back on this issue.  His ego is too big to accept failing on this. 


     
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    How is this even a discussion? 
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    How is this even a discussion? 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2016 - 8:40 PM ET #19

    Make Mexico pay for the border????


    Also if we are using Trump math then those figures are about a 10X off reality.

    10-20 B for thousands of miles of wall? Are we using paper and dental floss here?

    Trump is such a dope, but what is more of an issue is people are actually voting for this dummy.

    Yeah I will eat a Covers hat when this wall is done and for between 10 and 20 billion.

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    Make Mexico pay for the border????


    Also if we are using Trump math then those figures are about a 10X off reality.

    10-20 B for thousands of miles of wall? Are we using paper and dental floss here?

    Trump is such a dope, but what is more of an issue is people are actually voting for this dummy.

    Yeah I will eat a Covers hat when this wall is done and for between 10 and 20 billion.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2016 - 8:58 PM ET #20

    "I would build a great wall, and nobody builds walls better than me, believe me, and I'll build them very inexpensively. I will build a great, great wall on our southern border. And I will have Mexico pay for that wall. Mark my words," Trump said in his presidential announcement speech.

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    "I would build a great wall, and nobody builds walls better than me, believe me, and I'll build them very inexpensively. I will build a great, great wall on our southern border. And I will have Mexico pay for that wall. Mark my words," Trump said in his presidential announcement speech.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2016 - 10:19 PM ET #21

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Make Mexico pay for the border????


    Also if we are using Trump math then those figures are about a 10X off reality.

    10-20 B for thousands of miles of wall? Are we using paper and dental floss here?

    Trump is such a dope, but what is more of an issue is people are actually voting for this dummy.

    Yeah I will eat a Covers hat when this wall is done and for between 10 and 20 billion.


    It wasn't what Trump said it was from an independent source
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Make Mexico pay for the border????


    Also if we are using Trump math then those figures are about a 10X off reality.

    10-20 B for thousands of miles of wall? Are we using paper and dental floss here?

    Trump is such a dope, but what is more of an issue is people are actually voting for this dummy.

    Yeah I will eat a Covers hat when this wall is done and for between 10 and 20 billion.


    It wasn't what Trump said it was from an independent source
     
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    Posted: Feb. 26, 2016 - 10:33 PM ET #22

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


    Trump is such a dope, but what is more of an issue is people are actually voting for this dummy.


    I really don't get the disdain people seem to have for anyone supporting Trump.  Intelligent people realize nothing will change voting for a politician, we have seen it all before.  That's the main reason people criticizing Trump supporters voted for Obama, he just didn't work out (miserably). You may not like him or his personality, but to say Trump is a dope or stupid is just dishonest, come on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


    Trump is such a dope, but what is more of an issue is people are actually voting for this dummy.


    I really don't get the disdain people seem to have for anyone supporting Trump.  Intelligent people realize nothing will change voting for a politician, we have seen it all before.  That's the main reason people criticizing Trump supporters voted for Obama, he just didn't work out (miserably). You may not like him or his personality, but to say Trump is a dope or stupid is just dishonest, come on.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 27, 2016 - 12:01 AM ET #23

    Quote Originally Posted by thecentaur:


    I really don't get the disdain people seem to have for anyone supporting Trump.  Intelligent people realize nothing will change voting for a politician, we have seen it all before.  That's the main reason people criticizing Trump supporters voted for Obama, he just didn't work out (miserably). You may not like him or his personality, but to say Trump is a dope or stupid is just dishonest, come on.

    How can you have respect for someone that is running for a position with ZERO experience, ZERO details or specifics?

    Trump is not only uneducated politically, he is abusive and offensive when questioned. So not only is he clueless he is a bully and a really poor quality person. I have no respect for someone who tries to abuse someone personally the way he does. 

    It makes me question the intelligence of the general public and specifically the republican party that a guy as poor as Trump is leading their party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thecentaur:


    I really don't get the disdain people seem to have for anyone supporting Trump.  Intelligent people realize nothing will change voting for a politician, we have seen it all before.  That's the main reason people criticizing Trump supporters voted for Obama, he just didn't work out (miserably). You may not like him or his personality, but to say Trump is a dope or stupid is just dishonest, come on.

    How can you have respect for someone that is running for a position with ZERO experience, ZERO details or specifics?

    Trump is not only uneducated politically, he is abusive and offensive when questioned. So not only is he clueless he is a bully and a really poor quality person. I have no respect for someone who tries to abuse someone personally the way he does. 

    It makes me question the intelligence of the general public and specifically the republican party that a guy as poor as Trump is leading their party.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


    How can you have respect for someone that is running for a position with ZERO experience, ZERO details or specifics?

    Trump is not only uneducated politically, he is abusive and offensive when questioned. So not only is he clueless he is a bully and a really poor quality person. I have no respect for someone who tries to abuse someone personally the way he does. 

    It makes me question the intelligence of the general public and specifically the republican party that a guy as poor as Trump is leading their party.


    Yeah but he is the best option.  No one is saying he is near perfect, at least that I've seen on here.  Yet his lack of experience (the exact same thing that made people vote for Obama, the same people who are criticizing Trump and his supporters now) is the reason he is appealing.  What good are details and specifics from politicians whom we know won't do what they say anyway?

    I truly think his behavior is strategic, as I think we have hit a point where many people find being politically correct more offensive than being offensive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


    How can you have respect for someone that is running for a position with ZERO experience, ZERO details or specifics?

    Trump is not only uneducated politically, he is abusive and offensive when questioned. So not only is he clueless he is a bully and a really poor quality person. I have no respect for someone who tries to abuse someone personally the way he does. 

    It makes me question the intelligence of the general public and specifically the republican party that a guy as poor as Trump is leading their party.


    Yeah but he is the best option.  No one is saying he is near perfect, at least that I've seen on here.  Yet his lack of experience (the exact same thing that made people vote for Obama, the same people who are criticizing Trump and his supporters now) is the reason he is appealing.  What good are details and specifics from politicians whom we know won't do what they say anyway?

    I truly think his behavior is strategic, as I think we have hit a point where many people find being politically correct more offensive than being offensive.
     
     
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    Posted: Feb. 27, 2016 - 12:13 PM ET #25

    WallStreet- At least he tells you how he feels and what he thinks while standing up for himself when being attacked. Other career politicians tell you want you want to hear and do the opposite. I'd rather someone tell me the truth if it hurts then lie to my face to make me feel good.

    What about the Democarts getting Bernie on board, he's not even a democrat. What does that tell you about their party? Look at Hillary, she was shoved in your face. Why is it only Bernie and Hillary? Why is there no other options?  Hillary is a puppet, Bernie is a fraud who promises everything and will deliver nothing.
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    WallStreet- At least he tells you how he feels and what he thinks while standing up for himself when being attacked. Other career politicians tell you want you want to hear and do the opposite. I'd rather someone tell me the truth if it hurts then lie to my face to make me feel good.

    What about the Democarts getting Bernie on board, he's not even a democrat. What does that tell you about their party? Look at Hillary, she was shoved in your face. Why is it only Bernie and Hillary? Why is there no other options?  Hillary is a puppet, Bernie is a fraud who promises everything and will deliver nothing.
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