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    Attempting To Pick The Over Under In A Sport Game

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    Posted: Sep. 5, 2015 - 10:49 AM ET #1

    Hi All..

    I'm having a debate with my buddies regarding the Over Under in a sport game (ie. NHL, MLB, NFL etc).

    If I was going to attempt to pick if the game to be an over or under, how should I approach the analysis of both teams in their past performance in the same season?

    Some of us has stated that we should analyze the Mean Statistic of goals of both teams ONLY playing against each other regardless if the team was playing home or not.. Then cross reference that Mean statistic value against the upcoming game to pick the over under from it.

    Others of us has stated that we should analyze the Mean Statistic of goals of both teams playing against ALL teams in their league and cross reference the Mean statistic value against that with the upcoming game to pick the over or under from it. 

    What do you guys think.  Is this a good way to attempt to pick the over under in a game or what additional methods do you guys find works the best for you..

    thanks!
    tom
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    Hi All..

    I'm having a debate with my buddies regarding the Over Under in a sport game (ie. NHL, MLB, NFL etc).

    If I was going to attempt to pick if the game to be an over or under, how should I approach the analysis of both teams in their past performance in the same season?

    Some of us has stated that we should analyze the Mean Statistic of goals of both teams ONLY playing against each other regardless if the team was playing home or not.. Then cross reference that Mean statistic value against the upcoming game to pick the over under from it.

    Others of us has stated that we should analyze the Mean Statistic of goals of both teams playing against ALL teams in their league and cross reference the Mean statistic value against that with the upcoming game to pick the over or under from it. 

    What do you guys think.  Is this a good way to attempt to pick the over under in a game or what additional methods do you guys find works the best for you..

    thanks!
    tom
     
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    Posted: Sep. 5, 2015 - 10:53 AM ET #2

    ^^ All of that, or you could just flip a coin....
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    ^^ All of that, or you could just flip a coin....
     
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    Posted: Sep. 5, 2015 - 11:26 AM ET #3

    True.. But I attended a free workshop many years ago by a mathematician who worked for Caesars Entertainment at that time.

    I missed the 'over/under' portion of the workshop, but I was told in general that using one of the above methods against a specific statistical formula will yield a higher winning picking percentage over time as given that there will be some games that teams will have an off day or a complete blow out.   He validated his workshop by showing how he was able to successfully pick the team win, the over under and the point spread for 7 years in a row against the NHL and NFL leagues alone.

    Coin flipping is the easiest, but 'big data' is just as important.
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    True.. But I attended a free workshop many years ago by a mathematician who worked for Caesars Entertainment at that time.

    I missed the 'over/under' portion of the workshop, but I was told in general that using one of the above methods against a specific statistical formula will yield a higher winning picking percentage over time as given that there will be some games that teams will have an off day or a complete blow out.   He validated his workshop by showing how he was able to successfully pick the team win, the over under and the point spread for 7 years in a row against the NHL and NFL leagues alone.

    Coin flipping is the easiest, but 'big data' is just as important.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 5, 2015 - 11:46 AM ET #4

    I have 30+ years doing this and I am very profitable in certian sports at certain times of the season... but I have never found any sustainable way of making a buck on totals.  I hope I do find a scientific method at some point.  The max bets are limited on totals for a reason.
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    I have 30+ years doing this and I am very profitable in certian sports at certain times of the season... but I have never found any sustainable way of making a buck on totals.  I hope I do find a scientific method at some point.  The max bets are limited on totals for a reason.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 5, 2015 - 1:27 PM ET #5

    If I find the secret sauce on this matter.. I will post to this thread..
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    If I find the secret sauce on this matter.. I will post to this thread..
     
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    Posted: Sep. 5, 2015 - 1:45 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by tdelios:

    If I find the secret sauce on this matter.. I will post to this thread..

    https://www.metacafe.com/watch/an-ajHHbJJtYh7n2/fast_times_at_ridgemont_high_1982_brad_and_lisa/


    You sound like a single successful guy, so I'll let you in on a little secret.....

    It's ketchup & mayonnaise. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by tdelios:

    If I find the secret sauce on this matter.. I will post to this thread..

    https://www.metacafe.com/watch/an-ajHHbJJtYh7n2/fast_times_at_ridgemont_high_1982_brad_and_lisa/


    You sound like a single successful guy, so I'll let you in on a little secret.....

    It's ketchup & mayonnaise. 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 5, 2015 - 3:52 PM ET #7

    flip a coin, best of 5
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    flip a coin, best of 5
     
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    Posted: Sep. 6, 2015 - 9:19 AM ET #8

    With totals you have to dig far deeper than just avg scoring vs the same opponent or league wide.  Many of the betting lines are more or less based on those figures then adjusted to include injuries, public perception/skewed  based on the most recent results.

    Also, coaching and schemes vary from league to league.  IMO the coaching staff and the system they've implemented will obviously have a bigger impact in a football/basketball game than hockey/baseball.

    Bottom line is that it requires much more than resarching avg scores to be successful at picking totals (by successful I mean >60%).  That being said, its entirely possible to pick at or slightly above 50% using your system or really any methodology for that matter becasue at the end of the day it is essentially a coinflip.
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    With totals you have to dig far deeper than just avg scoring vs the same opponent or league wide.  Many of the betting lines are more or less based on those figures then adjusted to include injuries, public perception/skewed  based on the most recent results.

    Also, coaching and schemes vary from league to league.  IMO the coaching staff and the system they've implemented will obviously have a bigger impact in a football/basketball game than hockey/baseball.

    Bottom line is that it requires much more than resarching avg scores to be successful at picking totals (by successful I mean >60%).  That being said, its entirely possible to pick at or slightly above 50% using your system or really any methodology for that matter becasue at the end of the day it is essentially a coinflip.
     
     
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    Posted: Sep. 7, 2015 - 3:22 AM ET #9

    Your best chance to "beat" the book ... is 2nd H . 

    Cause books ONLY have less than 1 minute to post the total for 2nd half ( when the 1st half was end )

    Total for FG , or 1st Half : You "think " you got the INFO ? nah...

    BOOKS know it too ( rain, windy, snow,etc...) . That's why  they  " set " those numbers 3-5 days in advance ... for you to bet (on) .

    GL,
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    Your best chance to "beat" the book ... is 2nd H . 

    Cause books ONLY have less than 1 minute to post the total for 2nd half ( when the 1st half was end )

    Total for FG , or 1st Half : You "think " you got the INFO ? nah...

    BOOKS know it too ( rain, windy, snow,etc...) . That's why  they  " set " those numbers 3-5 days in advance ... for you to bet (on) .

    GL,
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