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    Posted: Sep. 6, 2016 - 10:54 AM ET #51

    Hope Squidward enjoys his time on the bench watching Blaine Gabbert run the 49ers offense for a second year in a row.
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    Hope Squidward enjoys his time on the bench watching Blaine Gabbert run the 49ers offense for a second year in a row.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 6, 2016 - 11:43 AM ET #52

    He sure made me a lot of when he was @ Nevada.  Now this
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    He sure made me a lot of when he was @ Nevada.  Now this
     
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    Posted: Sep. 7, 2016 - 2:34 AM ET #53

    Kaep was money in Nevada and that pistol offense they ran there 
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    Kaep was money in Nevada and that pistol offense they ran there 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 8, 2016 - 12:47 AM ET #54

    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

    It's from the biographical book 'What So Proudly We Hailed: Francis Scott Key, A Life' - written by historian Marc Leepson. Do you know how to read?


    Walter Scott is the only real case you have.  Michael T. Slager was justifiably charged with murder. No need to block traffic, rob, steal, riot or set businesses on fire. 

    Jessica Sterling wasn't shot for 2 reasons.
    1. She crashed the police vehicle before the cops could shoot her.
    2. The rifle was in a gun rack. She would’ve needed to know how to use the activation switch or have the key to unlock it. Plus guns in racks have trigger guards.

    Sandra Bland broke 3 laws.
    1. DISREGARD POLICE OFFICER ORDERS
    2. DISORDERLY CONDUCT
    3. RESISTING ARREST
    And she hung herself. End of story.

    Philando Castille - was a CRIPS gang banging thug - with a rap sheet so damn long that I couldn't even fit it in one post - who fit the description of an armed robbery suspect. Castille was justifiably shot by a Hispanic cop.

    Roxanne Rimer - stole a cop car and then ditched it and got a ride. Police later captured her. She wasn't shot because officers never had the chance.

    Akai Gurley – the officer was startled, his gun accidentally discharged as he opened the door and the bullet ricocheted off the wall and struck Gurley once in the chest, and he died within minutes. Gurley was shot Chinese officer Peter Liang

    Charles Kinsey was wrongfully shot by an idiot Hispanic cop. He should definitely be charged and fired.

    Let’s review… You have 1 white cop and 2 Hispanic cops and a Chinese cop. I thought the narrative was ‘white cops’ were hunting and killing innocent blacks?

    Despite making up just 13% of the population, blacks commit around half of homicides in the United States. Blacks commit more murders despite the fact that there are five times more white people in the U.S. - Even though blacks commit more crimes than whites, whites are twice as likely to be killed by killed by police officers. It’s clear that the greater propensity for black people to commit violent crimes is a driving factor as to why blacks are becoming involved in more violent confrontations with police than their 13% population figure suggests they should be.

    Kaepernick kneeling over the police killings of “innocent black men” is bogus. He might as well be kneeling over Willy Wonka’s treatment of Umpa Lumpa’s. Both protests would be inspired by fiction.

    Let’s go case by case if you wish. I’m more than happy to educate you.


    where do you get those stats ?

    Still running your mouth with no data 
    Francis Scott Key did not free 400 slaves ..  put the bong down  

    Key used his position as U.S. Attorney to suppress abolitionists. In 1833, Key secured a grand jury indictment against Benjamin Lundy, editor of the anti-slavery publication, the Genius of Universal Emancipation, and his printer, William Greer, for libel after Lundy published an article that declared, "There is neither mercy nor justice for colored people in this district [of Columbia]". Lundy's article, Key said in the indictment, "was intended to injure, oppress, aggrieve, and vilify the good name, fame, credit & reputation of the Magistrates and constables" of Washington. Lundy left town rather than face trial; Greer was acquitted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

    It's from the biographical book 'What So Proudly We Hailed: Francis Scott Key, A Life' - written by historian Marc Leepson. Do you know how to read?


    Walter Scott is the only real case you have.  Michael T. Slager was justifiably charged with murder. No need to block traffic, rob, steal, riot or set businesses on fire. 

    Jessica Sterling wasn't shot for 2 reasons.
    1. She crashed the police vehicle before the cops could shoot her.
    2. The rifle was in a gun rack. She would’ve needed to know how to use the activation switch or have the key to unlock it. Plus guns in racks have trigger guards.

    Sandra Bland broke 3 laws.
    1. DISREGARD POLICE OFFICER ORDERS
    2. DISORDERLY CONDUCT
    3. RESISTING ARREST
    And she hung herself. End of story.

    Philando Castille - was a CRIPS gang banging thug - with a rap sheet so damn long that I couldn't even fit it in one post - who fit the description of an armed robbery suspect. Castille was justifiably shot by a Hispanic cop.

    Roxanne Rimer - stole a cop car and then ditched it and got a ride. Police later captured her. She wasn't shot because officers never had the chance.

    Akai Gurley – the officer was startled, his gun accidentally discharged as he opened the door and the bullet ricocheted off the wall and struck Gurley once in the chest, and he died within minutes. Gurley was shot Chinese officer Peter Liang

    Charles Kinsey was wrongfully shot by an idiot Hispanic cop. He should definitely be charged and fired.

    Let’s review… You have 1 white cop and 2 Hispanic cops and a Chinese cop. I thought the narrative was ‘white cops’ were hunting and killing innocent blacks?

    Despite making up just 13% of the population, blacks commit around half of homicides in the United States. Blacks commit more murders despite the fact that there are five times more white people in the U.S. - Even though blacks commit more crimes than whites, whites are twice as likely to be killed by killed by police officers. It’s clear that the greater propensity for black people to commit violent crimes is a driving factor as to why blacks are becoming involved in more violent confrontations with police than their 13% population figure suggests they should be.

    Kaepernick kneeling over the police killings of “innocent black men” is bogus. He might as well be kneeling over Willy Wonka’s treatment of Umpa Lumpa’s. Both protests would be inspired by fiction.

    Let’s go case by case if you wish. I’m more than happy to educate you.


    where do you get those stats ?

    Still running your mouth with no data 
    Francis Scott Key did not free 400 slaves ..  put the bong down  

    Key used his position as U.S. Attorney to suppress abolitionists. In 1833, Key secured a grand jury indictment against Benjamin Lundy, editor of the anti-slavery publication, the Genius of Universal Emancipation, and his printer, William Greer, for libel after Lundy published an article that declared, "There is neither mercy nor justice for colored people in this district [of Columbia]". Lundy's article, Key said in the indictment, "was intended to injure, oppress, aggrieve, and vilify the good name, fame, credit & reputation of the Magistrates and constables" of Washington. Lundy left town rather than face trial; Greer was acquitted.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 8, 2016 - 1:35 AM ET #55

    Thomas Jefferson, Francis Scott Key belived one thing but lived another.

    Thomas Jefferson " Self evident truth all mean are created equal" owned slaves .

    In 1814, Key was a slaveholding lawyer from an old Maryland plantation family, who thanks to a system of human bondage had grown rich and powerful.

    Key not only profited from slaves, he harbored racist conceptions of American citizenship and human potential. Africans in America, he said, were: “a distinct and inferior race of people, which all experience proves to be the greatest evil that afflicts a community.”


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    Thomas Jefferson, Francis Scott Key belived one thing but lived another.

    Thomas Jefferson " Self evident truth all mean are created equal" owned slaves .

    In 1814, Key was a slaveholding lawyer from an old Maryland plantation family, who thanks to a system of human bondage had grown rich and powerful.

    Key not only profited from slaves, he harbored racist conceptions of American citizenship and human potential. Africans in America, he said, were: “a distinct and inferior race of people, which all experience proves to be the greatest evil that afflicts a community.”


     
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    Posted: Sep. 8, 2016 - 2:13 AM ET #56

    ilsp2003,you need to realize what period of American history FS.Key was living at the time ..

    During Francis Scott Key's life slavery was an ingrained part of the nation’s social and economic state,, as it was from the very beginning of your nation...

    He grew up on his family plantation for gods sake..

    Key’s actions did not always coincide with his beliefs. His religion led him to campaign against the slave trade and consider slavery sinful. As a man incapable of violence, he called slavery a “bed of torture” unheard of in any other circumstance.

    Key throughout his career represented several slaves seeking their freedom in court (pro bono)...Key was so actively hostile, to the institution of slavery , that he was called  'The N-word lawyer' .... because he often volunteered to defend the downtrodden sons and daughters of Africa....

    In the fourth stanza Key urged the adoption of "In God is our Trust" as the national motto. The United States adopted the motto "In God We Trust" by law in 1956.

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    ilsp2003,you need to realize what period of American history FS.Key was living at the time ..

    During Francis Scott Key's life slavery was an ingrained part of the nation’s social and economic state,, as it was from the very beginning of your nation...

    He grew up on his family plantation for gods sake..

    Key’s actions did not always coincide with his beliefs. His religion led him to campaign against the slave trade and consider slavery sinful. As a man incapable of violence, he called slavery a “bed of torture” unheard of in any other circumstance.

    Key throughout his career represented several slaves seeking their freedom in court (pro bono)...Key was so actively hostile, to the institution of slavery , that he was called  'The N-word lawyer' .... because he often volunteered to defend the downtrodden sons and daughters of Africa....

    In the fourth stanza Key urged the adoption of "In God is our Trust" as the national motto. The United States adopted the motto "In God We Trust" by law in 1956.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 8, 2016 - 5:12 AM ET #57

    Colin K. for all his altruism will not acknowledge his biological mother. Loyalty to his adoptive parents is fine but at least listen to what she has to say.
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    Colin K. for all his altruism will not acknowledge his biological mother. Loyalty to his adoptive parents is fine but at least listen to what she has to say.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 8, 2016 - 7:10 AM ET #58

    According to MoneyRSH

    Sandra Bland broke 3 laws.
    1. DISREGARD POLICE OFFICER ORDERS
    2. DISORDERLY CONDUCT
    3. RESISTING ARREST
    And she hung herself. End of story. 


    1) Why was Encinia accused of lying in His Incident Report on the Traffic Stop ?

    2) Why was Encinia indicted a perjury charge, then fired  ?

    A Preliminary Investigation Found Encinia Violated Traffic Stop & Courtesy Protocols

    “It’s always on the trooper,” McCraw (Texas Department of Public Safety director) told Texas Tribune CEO and Editor-in-Chief Evan Smith. “We’re accountable for every stop. And the citizen has a right to be objectionable – they can be rude. They can do a lot of things. They can say things, they can do things, and at the end of the day, we have an obligation not to react and be pulled into that. We’ve got to be professional, above that.”

    Encinia violated protocol, acted unprofessionally and allowed the interaction to escalate quickly, McCraw said. “We require professional courtesy and display at all times, and clearly he did not do it in that situation,” the director said. 

    Troopers had more than 2 million interactions in 2015, McCraw said, and they “don’t get pulled into” confrontations like Encinia did, he said.
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    According to MoneyRSH

    Sandra Bland broke 3 laws.
    1. DISREGARD POLICE OFFICER ORDERS
    2. DISORDERLY CONDUCT
    3. RESISTING ARREST
    And she hung herself. End of story. 


    1) Why was Encinia accused of lying in His Incident Report on the Traffic Stop ?

    2) Why was Encinia indicted a perjury charge, then fired  ?

    A Preliminary Investigation Found Encinia Violated Traffic Stop & Courtesy Protocols

    “It’s always on the trooper,” McCraw (Texas Department of Public Safety director) told Texas Tribune CEO and Editor-in-Chief Evan Smith. “We’re accountable for every stop. And the citizen has a right to be objectionable – they can be rude. They can do a lot of things. They can say things, they can do things, and at the end of the day, we have an obligation not to react and be pulled into that. We’ve got to be professional, above that.”

    Encinia violated protocol, acted unprofessionally and allowed the interaction to escalate quickly, McCraw said. “We require professional courtesy and display at all times, and clearly he did not do it in that situation,” the director said. 

    Troopers had more than 2 million interactions in 2015, McCraw said, and they “don’t get pulled into” confrontations like Encinia did, he said.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 8, 2016 - 7:56 AM ET #59

    The stats come from the FBI.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#cite_note-39
    Scroll down to Homicide

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Scott_Key#cite_note-18
    Scroll down to Slavery and American Colonization Society

    "Key, Judge William Leigh of Halifax and Bishop William Meade were administrators of the will of their friend John Randolph of Roanoke, who died without children and left a will directing his executors to free his more than four hundred slaves. Over the next decade, beginning in 1833, the administrators fought to enforce the will and provide the freed slaves land to support themselves."

    Francis Scott Key and Thomas Jefferson were pro slavery. That is true. But both had a change of heart. I can’t judge Key or Jefferson because Black Africans were the masters of slavery.

    Black African slave owners sold over 90 percent of all slaves to Europeans. And Without Black African slave owners there would have been no slavery in America or the New World. Blacks, Whites, Hispanics, Mexicans, Indians, Arabs, Asians all owned slaves.

    What separates them is Blacks and Muslims are the two largest slaveholders in the history of mankind!" The irony is Kaepernick is half black and converted to Islam.

    Liberals have no sense of history.

    The Deleted Passage of the Declaration of Independence (1776)

    When Thomas Jefferson included a passage attacking slavery in his draft of the Declaration of Independence it initiated the most intense debate among the delegates gathered at Philadelphia in the spring and early summer of 1776.  Jefferson's passage on slavery was the most important section removed from the final document.  It was replaced with a more ambiguous passage about King George's incitement of "domestic insurrections among us."  Decades later Jefferson blamed the removal of the passage on delegates from South Carolina and Georgia and Northern delegates who represented merchants who were at the time actively involved in the Trans-Atlantic slave trade.  Jefferson's original passage on slavery appears below. He has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating its most sacred rights of life and liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating & carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither.  This piratical warfare, the opprobrium of infidel powers, is the warfare of the Christian King of Great Britain.  Determined to keep open a market where Men should be bought & sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or restrain this execrable commerce.  And that this assemblage of horrors might want no fact of distinguished die, he is now exciting those very people to rise in arms among us, and to purchase that liberty of which he has deprived them, by murdering the people on whom he has obtruded them: thus paying off former crimes committed again the Liberties of one people, with crimes which he urges them to commit against the lives of another.

    Thomas Jefferson and many of the founding fathers had thoughts of abolishing slavery while writing the US constitution.

    Slavery hung over the Philadelphia Convention, threatening to divide northern and southern delegates. Even though slavery existed by law in some of the northern states in 1787, most people there favored its end.  Southerners were more unsure about whether to end slavery, both because they had significantly greater numbers of slaves to deal with and because an end to [slavery] had important economic implications. The result was compromise. The Founding Fathers were more determined to fashion a new nation than they were to bring an end to slavery. This is why slavery wasn’t abolished in 1787.

    SarasotaSlim’s post says it all - “Key’s actions did not always coincide with his beliefs. His religion led him to campaign against the slave trade and consider slavery sinful. As a man incapable of violence, he called slavery a “bed of torture” unheard of in any other circumstance. Key throughout his career represented several slaves seeking their freedom in court (pro bono)...Key was so actively hostile, to the institution of slavery, that he was called ’The N-word lawyer’.... Because he often volunteered to defend the downtrodden sons and daughters of Africa....”

    Black people can thank the Swedes, British, Spanish, French, and Americans for abolishing slavery. Africa still practices slavery. Why no sit down protest or knee protest against Africa?

    Today black descendants of African slaves have the highest standard of living of any blacks living anywhere in the world - thanks to the white man. All the white hatred that black liberals have deep inside their souls should be directed at Black Africans.

    I would ask Mr. McCraw - which is Texas law?

    Traffic Stop & Courtesy Protocols or the three laws in the Texas code of criminal procedure?

    Perjury doesn’t disregard the fact that woman violated three laws.

    He violated department protocol (which is a joke) but didn’t break any laws. Department protocol isn’t the law of the state. Bland violated the law.

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    The stats come from the FBI.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#cite_note-39
    Scroll down to Homicide

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Scott_Key#cite_note-18
    Scroll down to Slavery and American Colonization Society

    "Key, Judge William Leigh of Halifax and Bishop William Meade were administrators of the will of their friend John Randolph of Roanoke, who died without children and left a will directing his executors to free his more than four hundred slaves. Over the next decade, beginning in 1833, the administrators fought to enforce the will and provide the freed slaves land to support themselves."

    Francis Scott Key and Thomas Jefferson were pro slavery. That is true. But both had a change of heart. I can’t judge Key or Jefferson because Black Africans were the masters of slavery.

    Black African slave owners sold over 90 percent of all slaves to Europeans. And Without Black African slave owners there would have been no slavery in America or the New World. Blacks, Whites, Hispanics, Mexicans, Indians, Arabs, Asians all owned slaves.

    What separates them is Blacks and Muslims are the two largest slaveholders in the history of mankind!" The irony is Kaepernick is half black and converted to Islam.

    Liberals have no sense of history.

    The Deleted Passage of the Declaration of Independence (1776)

    When Thomas Jefferson included a passage attacking slavery in his draft of the Declaration of Independence it initiated the most intense debate among the delegates gathered at Philadelphia in the spring and early summer of 1776.  Jefferson's passage on slavery was the most important section removed from the final document.  It was replaced with a more ambiguous passage about King George's incitement of "domestic insurrections among us."  Decades later Jefferson blamed the removal of the passage on delegates from South Carolina and Georgia and Northern delegates who represented merchants who were at the time actively involved in the Trans-Atlantic slave trade.  Jefferson's original passage on slavery appears below. He has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating its most sacred rights of life and liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating & carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither.  This piratical warfare, the opprobrium of infidel powers, is the warfare of the Christian King of Great Britain.  Determined to keep open a market where Men should be bought & sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or restrain this execrable commerce.  And that this assemblage of horrors might want no fact of distinguished die, he is now exciting those very people to rise in arms among us, and to purchase that liberty of which he has deprived them, by murdering the people on whom he has obtruded them: thus paying off former crimes committed again the Liberties of one people, with crimes which he urges them to commit against the lives of another.

    Thomas Jefferson and many of the founding fathers had thoughts of abolishing slavery while writing the US constitution.

    Slavery hung over the Philadelphia Convention, threatening to divide northern and southern delegates. Even though slavery existed by law in some of the northern states in 1787, most people there favored its end.  Southerners were more unsure about whether to end slavery, both because they had significantly greater numbers of slaves to deal with and because an end to [slavery] had important economic implications. The result was compromise. The Founding Fathers were more determined to fashion a new nation than they were to bring an end to slavery. This is why slavery wasn’t abolished in 1787.

    SarasotaSlim’s post says it all - “Key’s actions did not always coincide with his beliefs. His religion led him to campaign against the slave trade and consider slavery sinful. As a man incapable of violence, he called slavery a “bed of torture” unheard of in any other circumstance. Key throughout his career represented several slaves seeking their freedom in court (pro bono)...Key was so actively hostile, to the institution of slavery, that he was called ’The N-word lawyer’.... Because he often volunteered to defend the downtrodden sons and daughters of Africa....”

    Black people can thank the Swedes, British, Spanish, French, and Americans for abolishing slavery. Africa still practices slavery. Why no sit down protest or knee protest against Africa?

    Today black descendants of African slaves have the highest standard of living of any blacks living anywhere in the world - thanks to the white man. All the white hatred that black liberals have deep inside their souls should be directed at Black Africans.

    I would ask Mr. McCraw - which is Texas law?

    Traffic Stop & Courtesy Protocols or the three laws in the Texas code of criminal procedure?

    Perjury doesn’t disregard the fact that woman violated three laws.

    He violated department protocol (which is a joke) but didn’t break any laws. Department protocol isn’t the law of the state. Bland violated the law.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    ilsp2003,you need to realize what period of American history FS.Key was living at the time ..


    During Francis Scott Key's life slavery was an ingrained part of the nation’s social and economic state,, as it was from the very beginning of your nation...

    He grew up on his family plantation for gods sake..

    Key’s actions did not always coincide with his beliefs. His religion led him to campaign against the slave trade and consider slavery sinful. As a man incapable of violence, he called slavery a “bed of torture” unheard of in any other circumstance.

    Key throughout his career represented several slaves seeking their freedom in court (pro bono)...Key was so actively hostile, to the institution of slavery , that he was called  'The N-word lawyer' .... because he often volunteered to defend the downtrodden sons and daughters of Africa....

    In the fourth stanza Key urged the adoption of "In God is our Trust" as the national motto. The United States adopted the motto "In God We Trust" by law in 1956.


    Slim,

    There are inconsistencies in the lives of revered national figures.

    There are contradictions between Jefferson’s slaveholding history, deeply racist personal views, his support of the institution in his political life, and his assertion of human rights in the Declaration.

    Years ago, I met this wealthy old white guy whose grandfather 
    owned slaves, which allowed him to grow his business acquiring acres of land, property etc. he is probably worth millions of dollars from his ancestors owning and profiting from the backs of slaves.
    People are still benefiting or hurting from slavery.

    No amount of money could buy the slaves dignity back.

    How about not having a National Anthem song that contained hateful verses hoping slaves were killed for simply fleeing or fighting for their freedom ?

    Today's treatment of Black Americans and racism against black Americans are deeply rooted in slavery.

    In 1978, after 25 years of payments, the total Federal Republic of Germany payments  to Jewish victims of Nazi persecution amounted to 53 billion Deutsche Marks Payments from some programs continue to this day.


    Source:

    https://rollingout.com/2015/10/07/obama-administration-earmarks-12-million-reparations-holocaust-survivors/

    In 1998, the United States pledged to pay $1.25 billion to Japanese-Americans and their heirs. That amount is in addition to the $1.65 billion previously paid out to 81,278 claimants.

    But when it comes to the United States paying reparations to Blacks who suffered oppression and genocide, there is no money forthcoming. Taking aside the argument that descendants of former slaves of the United States are more than deserving of economic justice, what about the 20th century Black Holocaust? There are, in fact, incidents where many of the survivors are still living:

    The bombing and burning of “Black Wall Street” in Tulsa, Oklahoma 1921
    The burning and lynching of Rosewood, FL 1923
    Moore’s Ford Bridge Massacre 1947
    Church burnings that took place from 1954-2015
    Illegal and unconstitutional arrests of Blacks during the Civil Rights movement
    Jim Crow laws enacted at the state and local levels and ignored at the federal level
    The implications of the CIA linked crack epidemic in Black communities
    Hurricane Katrina victims living below the poverty line

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    ilsp2003,you need to realize what period of American history FS.Key was living at the time ..


    During Francis Scott Key's life slavery was an ingrained part of the nation’s social and economic state,, as it was from the very beginning of your nation...

    He grew up on his family plantation for gods sake..

    Key’s actions did not always coincide with his beliefs. His religion led him to campaign against the slave trade and consider slavery sinful. As a man incapable of violence, he called slavery a “bed of torture” unheard of in any other circumstance.

    Key throughout his career represented several slaves seeking their freedom in court (pro bono)...Key was so actively hostile, to the institution of slavery , that he was called  'The N-word lawyer' .... because he often volunteered to defend the downtrodden sons and daughters of Africa....

    In the fourth stanza Key urged the adoption of "In God is our Trust" as the national motto. The United States adopted the motto "In God We Trust" by law in 1956.


    Slim,

    There are inconsistencies in the lives of revered national figures.

    There are contradictions between Jefferson’s slaveholding history, deeply racist personal views, his support of the institution in his political life, and his assertion of human rights in the Declaration.

    Years ago, I met this wealthy old white guy whose grandfather 
    owned slaves, which allowed him to grow his business acquiring acres of land, property etc. he is probably worth millions of dollars from his ancestors owning and profiting from the backs of slaves.
    People are still benefiting or hurting from slavery.

    No amount of money could buy the slaves dignity back.

    How about not having a National Anthem song that contained hateful verses hoping slaves were killed for simply fleeing or fighting for their freedom ?

    Today's treatment of Black Americans and racism against black Americans are deeply rooted in slavery.

    In 1978, after 25 years of payments, the total Federal Republic of Germany payments  to Jewish victims of Nazi persecution amounted to 53 billion Deutsche Marks Payments from some programs continue to this day.


    Source:

    https://rollingout.com/2015/10/07/obama-administration-earmarks-12-million-reparations-holocaust-survivors/

    In 1998, the United States pledged to pay $1.25 billion to Japanese-Americans and their heirs. That amount is in addition to the $1.65 billion previously paid out to 81,278 claimants.

    But when it comes to the United States paying reparations to Blacks who suffered oppression and genocide, there is no money forthcoming. Taking aside the argument that descendants of former slaves of the United States are more than deserving of economic justice, what about the 20th century Black Holocaust? There are, in fact, incidents where many of the survivors are still living:

    The bombing and burning of “Black Wall Street” in Tulsa, Oklahoma 1921
    The burning and lynching of Rosewood, FL 1923
    Moore’s Ford Bridge Massacre 1947
    Church burnings that took place from 1954-2015
    Illegal and unconstitutional arrests of Blacks during the Civil Rights movement
    Jim Crow laws enacted at the state and local levels and ignored at the federal level
    The implications of the CIA linked crack epidemic in Black communities
    Hurricane Katrina victims living below the poverty line

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwishSwish1234:


    First of all turn off the caps you imbecile and secondly that's called deflection. How do you know Kapernick hasn't done all of the said above? So in your world if you aren't superman you don't have a right to protest? What democracy are you living in? Absolute imbecile. 


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    Quote Originally Posted by SwishSwish1234:


    First of all turn off the caps you imbecile and secondly that's called deflection. How do you know Kapernick hasn't done all of the said above? So in your world if you aren't superman you don't have a right to protest? What democracy are you living in? Absolute imbecile. 


    AS A BLACK MAN 

    I WOULD CALL COLIN AN UNCLE TOM TO HIS FACE 
     
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     another long tirade from MoneySRH


    1) Kaepernick is not muslim , never converted to Islam..
    The rumor was soon debunked by Snopes, a website that regularly dismantles internet hoaxes.

    https://www.snopes.com/colin-kaepernick-converts-to-islam/


    2) Back in 2013, Kaepernick made it to Christian Today’s list of “controversial Christians in the NFL.” What made him controversial, according to the site, is that he has a full sleeve of tattoos. His parents supported their son and said that he tattooed himself with Bible verses.

    https://www.christianitytoday.com/gleanings/2013/january/tattooed-49ers-qb-not-only-controversial-christian-in-2013.html


    3) Philando Castille was not a gang member 

    https://heavy.com/news/2016/07/philando-castile-falcon-heights-minnesota-police-shooting-facebook-live-video-watch-uncensored-you-tube-police-shooting-man-shot-lavish-reynolds/
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     another long tirade from MoneySRH


    1) Kaepernick is not muslim , never converted to Islam..
    The rumor was soon debunked by Snopes, a website that regularly dismantles internet hoaxes.

    https://www.snopes.com/colin-kaepernick-converts-to-islam/


    2) Back in 2013, Kaepernick made it to Christian Today’s list of “controversial Christians in the NFL.” What made him controversial, according to the site, is that he has a full sleeve of tattoos. His parents supported their son and said that he tattooed himself with Bible verses.

    https://www.christianitytoday.com/gleanings/2013/january/tattooed-49ers-qb-not-only-controversial-christian-in-2013.html


    3) Philando Castille was not a gang member 

    https://heavy.com/news/2016/07/philando-castile-falcon-heights-minnesota-police-shooting-facebook-live-video-watch-uncensored-you-tube-police-shooting-man-shot-lavish-reynolds/
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:

    3) Philando Castille was not a gang member 


    Has it been proven that he was not a gang member?
    I honestly don't know. 

    I believe that Snopes, which definitely has a liberal lean, suggested that Castile being a gang member was not proven, but it fell short of saying he was not a gang member.

    On a Facebook page of his, Castile posted "Merry CRIPmas and Happy BLUE Year".
    Wouldn't this Facebook post suggest he was a gang member?

    Regardless, if he was a gang member or not should not change the fact that he should not have been shot 
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:

    3) Philando Castille was not a gang member 


    Has it been proven that he was not a gang member?
    I honestly don't know. 

    I believe that Snopes, which definitely has a liberal lean, suggested that Castile being a gang member was not proven, but it fell short of saying he was not a gang member.

    On a Facebook page of his, Castile posted "Merry CRIPmas and Happy BLUE Year".
    Wouldn't this Facebook post suggest he was a gang member?

    Regardless, if he was a gang member or not should not change the fact that he should not have been shot 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:


    Has it been proven that he was not a gang member?
    I honestly don't know. 

    I believe that Snopes, which definitely has a liberal lean, suggested that Castile being a gang member was not proven, but it fell short of saying he was not a gang member.

    On a Facebook page of his, Castile posted "Merry CRIPmas and Happy BLUE Year".
    Wouldn't this Facebook post suggest he was a gang member?

    Regardless, if he was a gang member or not should not change the fact that he should not have been shot 

    IF you are referring to the picture on GotNews web site, which shows a guy in blue posing C shape. Philando Castille is the other guy .
    Gotnews  was unable to provide any solid proof regarding involvement of Castile with Crips gang.

    Castile has been pulled over by at least 31 times in the last 14 years since he got his driver's license and charged with a string of misdemeanor violations.
    The offenses include speeding, failure to wear a seat belt, driving after a revocation, no proof of insurance, improper display of original plate and parking violations.
    In July last year he was convicted for not wearing a seat belt along with his passenger and the year before, November 2014, he was pulled over and slapped with a charge for 'improper display of original plate'.


    In total police in Minnesota brought 31 cases against Castile, racking up 63 charges for mostly minor traffic offenses - 43 of which he was found guilty or convicted of and has paid out hundreds of dollars in fines.

    In 25 of the cases it was police officers from Ramsey County involved - the county within which St Anthony Police Department lies. 

    Castile had no criminal record whatsoever beyond the traffic offenses.  
    Reply
    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:


    Has it been proven that he was not a gang member?
    I honestly don't know. 

    I believe that Snopes, which definitely has a liberal lean, suggested that Castile being a gang member was not proven, but it fell short of saying he was not a gang member.

    On a Facebook page of his, Castile posted "Merry CRIPmas and Happy BLUE Year".
    Wouldn't this Facebook post suggest he was a gang member?

    Regardless, if he was a gang member or not should not change the fact that he should not have been shot 

    IF you are referring to the picture on GotNews web site, which shows a guy in blue posing C shape. Philando Castille is the other guy .
    Gotnews  was unable to provide any solid proof regarding involvement of Castile with Crips gang.

    Castile has been pulled over by at least 31 times in the last 14 years since he got his driver's license and charged with a string of misdemeanor violations.
    The offenses include speeding, failure to wear a seat belt, driving after a revocation, no proof of insurance, improper display of original plate and parking violations.
    In July last year he was convicted for not wearing a seat belt along with his passenger and the year before, November 2014, he was pulled over and slapped with a charge for 'improper display of original plate'.


    In total police in Minnesota brought 31 cases against Castile, racking up 63 charges for mostly minor traffic offenses - 43 of which he was found guilty or convicted of and has paid out hundreds of dollars in fines.

    In 25 of the cases it was police officers from Ramsey County involved - the county within which St Anthony Police Department lies. 

    Castile had no criminal record whatsoever beyond the traffic offenses.  
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:


    IF you are referring to the picture on GotNews web site, which shows a guy in blue posing C shape. Philando Castille is the other guy .
    Gotnews  was unable to provide any solid proof regarding involvement of Castile with Crips gang.


    I will repeat myself ...
    "On a Facebook page of his, Castile posted "Merry CRIPmas and Happy BLUE Year".
    and then I asked what I felt was a legitimate question ... wouldn't this Facebook post suggest he was a gang member?
    It's a simple question, without my suggesting or implying anything.

    The fact that Mr Castile was obviously a sh!tty driver is another story 



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    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:


    IF you are referring to the picture on GotNews web site, which shows a guy in blue posing C shape. Philando Castille is the other guy .
    Gotnews  was unable to provide any solid proof regarding involvement of Castile with Crips gang.


    I will repeat myself ...
    "On a Facebook page of his, Castile posted "Merry CRIPmas and Happy BLUE Year".
    and then I asked what I felt was a legitimate question ... wouldn't this Facebook post suggest he was a gang member?
    It's a simple question, without my suggesting or implying anything.

    The fact that Mr Castile was obviously a sh!tty driver is another story 



     
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    i.m just glad hugh organ is alive
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    i.m just glad hugh organ is alive
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGfnPOO:

    i.m just glad hugh organ is alive

    The Mayor is in the house!!!

    How's the J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets gonna do this year, Mr Mayor?

    Good to see you 
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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGfnPOO:

    i.m just glad hugh organ is alive

    The Mayor is in the house!!!

    How's the J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets gonna do this year, Mr Mayor?

    Good to see you 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by dl36:

    Obama's fault !!!

     

    You have a hard time "connecting the dots" don't you, DL...

     

    Of course, O'trauma has his hands on the increased killings in the inner-city cess pool.  He has give free reign to the "victims" to perpetuate their SHET, and have the police scale back their "interrogative" policing techniques. 

    You really can't make this SHET up.  You' re a naïve brogther..

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    Quote Originally Posted by dl36:

    Obama's fault !!!

     

    You have a hard time "connecting the dots" don't you, DL...

     

    Of course, O'trauma has his hands on the increased killings in the inner-city cess pool.  He has give free reign to the "victims" to perpetuate their SHET, and have the police scale back their "interrogative" policing techniques. 

    You really can't make this SHET up.  You' re a naïve brogther..

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:

     another long tirade from MoneySRH


    1) Kaepernick is not muslim , never converted to Islam..
    The rumor was soon debunked by Snopes, a website that regularly dismantles internet hoaxes.

    https://www.snopes.com/colin-kaepernick-converts-to-islam/


    2) Back in 2013, Kaepernick made it to Christian Today’s list of “controversial Christians in the NFL.” What made him controversial, according to the site, is that he has a full sleeve of tattoos. His parents supported their son and said that he tattooed himself with Bible verses.

    https://www.christianitytoday.com/gleanings/2013/january/tattooed-49ers-qb-not-only-controversial-christian-in-2013.html


    3) Philando Castille was not a gang member 

    https://heavy.com/news/2016/07/philando-castile-falcon-heights-minnesota-police-shooting-facebook-live-video-watch-uncensored-you-tube-police-shooting-man-shot-lavish-reynolds/
    1.The national anthem isn’t racist.
    https://ijr.com/2016/08/684228-national-anthem-verse-celebrating-slavery-being-used-to-justify-kaepernick-is-really-bad-defense/

    2. I was JOKING!

    3. A Muslim woman is forbidden from marrying a non-Muslim unless the man pledges to convert to Islam. I’m not saying it’s certain that Kap is converting. I’m just saying it’s highly possible since he’s growing his hair, growing his beard, wearing a Malcolm X hat, and celebrating a Muslim holiday.  

    4. Castile posted "Merry CRIPmas and Happy BLUE Year". I mean ‘case closed’

    5. When whites get money from the British, Virginians, Marylanders, and Muslims for being slaves, then I’ll agree with blacks receiving reparations.

    6. When Native Americans agree to pay reparations for owning blacks slaves, then I’m open to the discussions of blacks receiving reparations.

    7. When the ancestors of black American slave owners agree to pay reparations, then I’m open to the discussions of blacks receiving reparations.

    8. When the Arab world agrees to pay black slaves and white slaves for slavery, then I’m open to the discussions of blacks receiving reparations.

    9. When Africa agrees to pay black American slaves for selling them into slavery, then I’m open to the discussions of blacks receiving reparations.

    10. When black Americans decided to pay the American victims for all the death and destruction caused by black American thugs, then I’m open to the discussions of blacks receiving reparations.


    Reply
    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:

     another long tirade from MoneySRH


    1) Kaepernick is not muslim , never converted to Islam..
    The rumor was soon debunked by Snopes, a website that regularly dismantles internet hoaxes.

    https://www.snopes.com/colin-kaepernick-converts-to-islam/


    2) Back in 2013, Kaepernick made it to Christian Today’s list of “controversial Christians in the NFL.” What made him controversial, according to the site, is that he has a full sleeve of tattoos. His parents supported their son and said that he tattooed himself with Bible verses.

    https://www.christianitytoday.com/gleanings/2013/january/tattooed-49ers-qb-not-only-controversial-christian-in-2013.html


    3) Philando Castille was not a gang member 

    https://heavy.com/news/2016/07/philando-castile-falcon-heights-minnesota-police-shooting-facebook-live-video-watch-uncensored-you-tube-police-shooting-man-shot-lavish-reynolds/
    1.The national anthem isn’t racist.
    https://ijr.com/2016/08/684228-national-anthem-verse-celebrating-slavery-being-used-to-justify-kaepernick-is-really-bad-defense/

    2. I was JOKING!

    3. A Muslim woman is forbidden from marrying a non-Muslim unless the man pledges to convert to Islam. I’m not saying it’s certain that Kap is converting. I’m just saying it’s highly possible since he’s growing his hair, growing his beard, wearing a Malcolm X hat, and celebrating a Muslim holiday.  

    4. Castile posted "Merry CRIPmas and Happy BLUE Year". I mean ‘case closed’

    5. When whites get money from the British, Virginians, Marylanders, and Muslims for being slaves, then I’ll agree with blacks receiving reparations.

    6. When Native Americans agree to pay reparations for owning blacks slaves, then I’m open to the discussions of blacks receiving reparations.

    7. When the ancestors of black American slave owners agree to pay reparations, then I’m open to the discussions of blacks receiving reparations.

    8. When the Arab world agrees to pay black slaves and white slaves for slavery, then I’m open to the discussions of blacks receiving reparations.

    9. When Africa agrees to pay black American slaves for selling them into slavery, then I’m open to the discussions of blacks receiving reparations.

    10. When black Americans decided to pay the American victims for all the death and destruction caused by black American thugs, then I’m open to the discussions of blacks receiving reparations.


     
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    Did Kaepernick sit or stand during the anthem, today, on September 11th?  I hope he was classy enough to stand on this day.
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    Did Kaepernick sit or stand during the anthem, today, on September 11th?  I hope he was classy enough to stand on this day.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allbutbroke:

    Did Kaepernick sit or stand during the anthem, today, on September 11th?  I hope he was classy enough to stand on this day.
    The 49ers play today. He wouldn't have ended his ignorant thug protest over ignorant thugs dying at the hands of police even if the 49ers did play September 11th. A bunch of ignorant thugs took at knee yesterday. I expect Kap and a few other ignorant thugs to to continue their sickening behavior.  

    #THUGSLIVESDONTMATTER
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allbutbroke:

    Did Kaepernick sit or stand during the anthem, today, on September 11th?  I hope he was classy enough to stand on this day.
    The 49ers play today. He wouldn't have ended his ignorant thug protest over ignorant thugs dying at the hands of police even if the 49ers did play September 11th. A bunch of ignorant thugs took at knee yesterday. I expect Kap and a few other ignorant thugs to to continue their sickening behavior.  

    #THUGSLIVESDONTMATTER
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

    The 49ers play today. He wouldn't have ended his ignorant thug protest over ignorant thugs dying at the hands of police even if the 49ers did play September 11th. A bunch of ignorant thugs took at knee yesterday. I expect Kap and a few other ignorant thugs to to continue their sickening behavior.  

    #THUGSLIVESDONTMATTER

    Thanks and totally agree with your statement.  Just watched him refuse to stand.  Shameful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

    The 49ers play today. He wouldn't have ended his ignorant thug protest over ignorant thugs dying at the hands of police even if the 49ers did play September 11th. A bunch of ignorant thugs took at knee yesterday. I expect Kap and a few other ignorant thugs to to continue their sickening behavior.  

    #THUGSLIVESDONTMATTER

    Thanks and totally agree with your statement.  Just watched him refuse to stand.  Shameful.
     
    ilsp2003
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    Posted: Sep. 13, 2016 - 12:01 AM ET #73

    Quote Originally Posted by Slovak:

    I like how ilsp picks and chooses his stories to suit his needs.
     
    Hey tard, do you have any idea how many black people would be dead every year if the cops killed every one of them that had weapons and were violently breaking the law?



    what a moronic question ?





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    Quote Originally Posted by Slovak:

    I like how ilsp picks and chooses his stories to suit his needs.
     
    Hey tard, do you have any idea how many black people would be dead every year if the cops killed every one of them that had weapons and were violently breaking the law?



    what a moronic question ?





     
    Slobbasaurus
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    Posted: Sep. 13, 2016 - 1:38 PM ET #74

    Quote Originally Posted by Slovak:




    The point is that only a very very very small fraction of black men are getting killed despite the overwhelmingly disproportionate amount of murder and violent crime they are committing. Sure maybe a few were not justifiable in some people's eyes, but the majority of them are violent armed criminals.

    Look at Milwaukee. Black cop shoots armed black criminal and the city shows it's thanks to the cop for taking a violent thug off of the street by burning the city down.

    If blacks want to stop the profiling and killings, all they have to do is 1. )Quit breaking the law and 2.) Stop supporting the violent thugs that do.



    I guess it will be a perpetual cycle because neither will ever happen.  It's sad too because I work among some very nice blacks; one of which is a life mentor of mine.  He may be from Ghana, but he's black nonetheless.  

    We constantly break each other's b@lls about our races.  We kind of make people feel uncomfortable at times, but it's all in good fun.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slovak:




    The point is that only a very very very small fraction of black men are getting killed despite the overwhelmingly disproportionate amount of murder and violent crime they are committing. Sure maybe a few were not justifiable in some people's eyes, but the majority of them are violent armed criminals.

    Look at Milwaukee. Black cop shoots armed black criminal and the city shows it's thanks to the cop for taking a violent thug off of the street by burning the city down.

    If blacks want to stop the profiling and killings, all they have to do is 1. )Quit breaking the law and 2.) Stop supporting the violent thugs that do.



    I guess it will be a perpetual cycle because neither will ever happen.  It's sad too because I work among some very nice blacks; one of which is a life mentor of mine.  He may be from Ghana, but he's black nonetheless.  

    We constantly break each other's b@lls about our races.  We kind of make people feel uncomfortable at times, but it's all in good fun.  
     
     
    Slobbasaurus
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    Posted: Sep. 13, 2016 - 1:49 PM ET #75

    Leave it to the Libertarians at South Park to rag on BLM and Kape, hahaha

    https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2016/09/13/south-park-tweaks-colin-kaepernick-supporters-on-new-episode.html


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    Leave it to the Libertarians at South Park to rag on BLM and Kape, hahaha

    https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2016/09/13/south-park-tweaks-colin-kaepernick-supporters-on-new-episode.html


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