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    A little gun history

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    Coin Toss
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    Posted: Jul. 8, 2015 - 6:03 PM ET #1

    A little gun history

    Published: Today, 5:01 pm

    A LITTLE GUN HISTORY

    In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control:

    From 1929 to 1953,  about 20 million dissidents,   unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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    In 1911, Turkey established gun control:

    From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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    Germany established gun control in 1938:

    From 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million person and others who were   unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
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    China established gun control in 1935: From 1948 to
    1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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    Guatemala established gun control in 1964:

    From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend    themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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    Uganda  established gun control in 1970:

    From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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    Cambodia established gun control in 1956:

    From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.   
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    56 million defenseless people were rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control.   
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    You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.

    Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

    With guns, we are 'citizens'; without them, we are 'subjects'.

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    A little gun history

    Published: Today, 5:01 pm

    A LITTLE GUN HISTORY

    In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control:

    From 1929 to 1953,  about 20 million dissidents,   unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
    -----------------------

    In 1911, Turkey established gun control:

    From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
    -----------------------

    Germany established gun control in 1938:

    From 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million person and others who were   unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
    -----------------------

    China established gun control in 1935: From 1948 to
    1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
    ----------------------

    Guatemala established gun control in 1964:

    From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend    themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
    -----------------------

    Uganda  established gun control in 1970:

    From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
    -----------------------

    Cambodia established gun control in 1956:

    From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.   
    -----------------------

    56 million defenseless people were rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control.   
    -----------------------

    You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.

    Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

    With guns, we are 'citizens'; without them, we are 'subjects'.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 8, 2015 - 6:20 PM ET #2

    I get your point.  But it assumes there is a next step. There are other countries that have limited gun control and none of this. Just because folks want to outlaw guns doesn't mean they want this path. 
    For example, name the countries that used their personal guns recently to fight off the military?
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    I get your point.  But it assumes there is a next step. There are other countries that have limited gun control and none of this. Just because folks want to outlaw guns doesn't mean they want this path. 
    For example, name the countries that used their personal guns recently to fight off the military?
     
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    Posted: Jul. 8, 2015 - 7:31 PM ET #3


    Count me in as a strong supporter of the Second Amendment.

    Proudly protected by Mossberg 500, Glock .40 and 152lb Rottweiler.
    ~~~~~ZOSO~~~~~
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    Count me in as a strong supporter of the Second Amendment.

    Proudly protected by Mossberg 500, Glock .40 and 152lb Rottweiler.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 8, 2015 - 7:52 PM ET #4

    Topic: A little gun history

    How about, you step onto my mutha-effin' property, and you're going to get "The Business End" of:

    "A Little Gun History"..........

    Fair Enough????

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    Topic: A little gun history

    How about, you step onto my mutha-effin' property, and you're going to get "The Business End" of:

    "A Little Gun History"..........

    Fair Enough????

     
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    Posted: Jul. 8, 2015 - 8:23 PM ET #5

    Soviet Union
    Germany
    China
    .................Idi Amin......................they all championed free elections, right?
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    Soviet Union
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    .................Idi Amin......................they all championed free elections, right?
     
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    Posted: Jul. 8, 2015 - 8:45 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    I get your point.  But it assumes there is a next step. There are other countries that have limited gun control and none of this. Just because folks want to outlaw guns doesn't mean they want this path. 
    For example, name the countries that used their personal guns recently to fight off the military?

    One of the first things a country wanting to invade another country considers is whether the citizens are armed or not.

    Then there's Switzerland...every citizen has a weapon issued to them by the government and a job to do if they're invaded. all tunnels in Switzerland have built in demolition chambers. One family has the fuses, another the explosives, etc....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    I get your point.  But it assumes there is a next step. There are other countries that have limited gun control and none of this. Just because folks want to outlaw guns doesn't mean they want this path. 
    For example, name the countries that used their personal guns recently to fight off the military?

    One of the first things a country wanting to invade another country considers is whether the citizens are armed or not.

    Then there's Switzerland...every citizen has a weapon issued to them by the government and a job to do if they're invaded. all tunnels in Switzerland have built in demolition chambers. One family has the fuses, another the explosives, etc....

     
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    Posted: Jul. 8, 2015 - 9:31 PM ET #7

    According to whistlinginthewind.org website, the myth that gun control leads to genocide is based on paranoia and historical inaccuracies.  Genocides wouldn't have been prevented by armed civilians when actual armies couldn't stop dictators  Delusional to think a small group of armed civilians could defeat powerful armies.  To the contrary, the availability of guns made dictators' seizure of power easier.


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    According to whistlinginthewind.org website, the myth that gun control leads to genocide is based on paranoia and historical inaccuracies.  Genocides wouldn't have been prevented by armed civilians when actual armies couldn't stop dictators  Delusional to think a small group of armed civilians could defeat powerful armies.  To the contrary, the availability of guns made dictators' seizure of power easier.


     
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    Posted: Jul. 8, 2015 - 10:06 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    According to whistlinginthewind.org website, the myth that gun control leads to genocide is based on paranoia and historical inaccuracies.  Genocides wouldn't have been prevented by armed civilians when actual armies couldn't stop dictators  Delusional to think a small group of armed civilians could defeat powerful armies.  To the contrary, the availability of guns made dictators' seizure of power easier.


    read what you just wrote. Then give your effing head a vigorous shake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    According to whistlinginthewind.org website, the myth that gun control leads to genocide is based on paranoia and historical inaccuracies.  Genocides wouldn't have been prevented by armed civilians when actual armies couldn't stop dictators  Delusional to think a small group of armed civilians could defeat powerful armies.  To the contrary, the availability of guns made dictators' seizure of power easier.


    read what you just wrote. Then give your effing head a vigorous shake.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 8, 2015 - 11:44 PM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by Coin Toss:

    One of the first things a country wanting to invade another country considers is whether the citizens are armed or not.

    Then there's Switzerland...every citizen has a weapon issued to them by the government and a job to do if they're invaded. all tunnels in Switzerland have built in demolition chambers. One family has the fuses, another the explosives, etc....

    Really?  For example?
    I just don't see how a local band of neighbors with rifles and pistols would fight off a military with automatic guns and other weaponry. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coin Toss:

    One of the first things a country wanting to invade another country considers is whether the citizens are armed or not.

    Then there's Switzerland...every citizen has a weapon issued to them by the government and a job to do if they're invaded. all tunnels in Switzerland have built in demolition chambers. One family has the fuses, another the explosives, etc....

    Really?  For example?
    I just don't see how a local band of neighbors with rifles and pistols would fight off a military with automatic guns and other weaponry. 

     
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    Posted: Jul. 9, 2015 - 12:28 AM ET #10

    Raiders22,

    Not automatic weapons but study a little bit about the American Revolution.

    There's a 'local band of neighbors with rifles and pistols'.

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    Raiders22,

    Not automatic weapons but study a little bit about the American Revolution.

    There's a 'local band of neighbors with rifles and pistols'.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 9, 2015 - 1:50 AM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by Coin Toss:

    Raiders22,

    Not automatic weapons but study a little bit about the American Revolution.

    There's a 'local band of neighbors with rifles and pistols'.

     

     'What one man can do, another man can do' .......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coin Toss:

    Raiders22,

    Not automatic weapons but study a little bit about the American Revolution.

    There's a 'local band of neighbors with rifles and pistols'.

     

     'What one man can do, another man can do' .......

     
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    Posted: Jul. 9, 2015 - 9:53 AM ET #12

    Good stuff Coin, thanks for sharing.

    Unfortunately for me, NJ has the strictest gun laws in the nation.  

    Citizens here are prey to the animals that equip their guns illegally.  
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    Good stuff Coin, thanks for sharing.

    Unfortunately for me, NJ has the strictest gun laws in the nation.  

    Citizens here are prey to the animals that equip their guns illegally.  
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coin Toss:

    Raiders22,

    Not automatic weapons but study a little bit about the American Revolution.

    There's a 'local band of neighbors with rifles and pistols'.

    Yes.  But all had same guns and things.  That couldn't happen today. If US military came through town to take over town---they take it.  Whether citizens have guns or not.  I am not saying take up the guns.  I am just saying this is not the best reason anymore to use as the reason to allow them.  Unless you are going to allow the citizenry to have rocket launchers and missiles and whatnot. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coin Toss:

    Raiders22,

    Not automatic weapons but study a little bit about the American Revolution.

    There's a 'local band of neighbors with rifles and pistols'.

    Yes.  But all had same guns and things.  That couldn't happen today. If US military came through town to take over town---they take it.  Whether citizens have guns or not.  I am not saying take up the guns.  I am just saying this is not the best reason anymore to use as the reason to allow them.  Unless you are going to allow the citizenry to have rocket launchers and missiles and whatnot. 
     
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2015 - 11:50 AM ET #14

    Raiders is making a lot of really good points that seem to lack responses.
    He is far too diplomatic or polite to ask his question straight out.
    "What kinda dough head pretends he needs guns to fight the U.S. Military?"


    The answer is simple....

    You average white trash, hillbilly, red necked American.

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    Raiders is making a lot of really good points that seem to lack responses.
    He is far too diplomatic or polite to ask his question straight out.
    "What kinda dough head pretends he needs guns to fight the U.S. Military?"


    The answer is simple....

    You average white trash, hillbilly, red necked American.

     
     
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2015 - 11:51 AM ET #15

    I prefer this particular History of Guns

    A Brief History of the USA - Bowling for Columbin…: https://youtu.be/lGYFRzf2Xww
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    I prefer this particular History of Guns

    A Brief History of the USA - Bowling for Columbin…: https://youtu.be/lGYFRzf2Xww
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