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    14 DEAD, 50 INJURED, AS OF NOW, IN SHOOTING AT MOVIE THEATRE IN COLORADO!

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    tiasman
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2012 - 12:25 AM ET #151

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

     
    There is absolutely no reason to rationalize having guns with this capacity, it has zero to do with government fear or the second amendment and all to do with corporate profit and lobby greed.



    Is there any way to rationalize 500 hp camaros and mustangs?

    2000 calorie ice cream pints?

    3000 square foot mcmansions?

    You get my drift.  It's a free country and maniacs do happen.  In Scotland a maniac with a butcher knife killed over a dozen kindergartners.  Shall large knives be banned?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

     
    There is absolutely no reason to rationalize having guns with this capacity, it has zero to do with government fear or the second amendment and all to do with corporate profit and lobby greed.



    Is there any way to rationalize 500 hp camaros and mustangs?

    2000 calorie ice cream pints?

    3000 square foot mcmansions?

    You get my drift.  It's a free country and maniacs do happen.  In Scotland a maniac with a butcher knife killed over a dozen kindergartners.  Shall large knives be banned?
     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2012 - 12:27 AM ET #152

    Quote Originally Posted by searchwarrant:

    ....In other words, ATF and FBI are going to be under a high level of scutiny at the desk.  These are my words and also the words from SWAT team lapd friends. They see fully auto weapons daily.

    Whomever sold the clip and gear to this lil puke is being hunted by ATF as we type.


    All legal in colorado, there is no fed statute against anything he bought  
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    Quote Originally Posted by searchwarrant:

    ....In other words, ATF and FBI are going to be under a high level of scutiny at the desk.  These are my words and also the words from SWAT team lapd friends. They see fully auto weapons daily.

    Whomever sold the clip and gear to this lil puke is being hunted by ATF as we type.


    All legal in colorado, there is no fed statute against anything he bought  
     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2012 - 12:31 AM ET #153

    Arlene Holmes told ABCNews she had awoken unaware of the news of the shooting.

     She immediately expressed concern that her son may have been involved.

    "You have the right person," the mother said, speaking on instinct. "I need to call the police," she added. "I need to fly out to Colorado

    Instinct

    What is she saying??????

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    Arlene Holmes told ABCNews she had awoken unaware of the news of the shooting.

     She immediately expressed concern that her son may have been involved.

    "You have the right person," the mother said, speaking on instinct. "I need to call the police," she added. "I need to fly out to Colorado

    Instinct

    What is she saying??????

     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2012 - 12:32 AM ET #154

    An AR-15 is the same as a fast car and ice cream.

    That's a very good point.

     

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    An AR-15 is the same as a fast car and ice cream.

    That's a very good point.

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2012 - 12:35 AM ET #155

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    An AR-15 is the same as a fast car and ice cream.

    That's a very good point.

     


    Elevate your thinking a bit, u can get there.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    An AR-15 is the same as a fast car and ice cream.

    That's a very good point.

     


    Elevate your thinking a bit, u can get there.  
     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2012 - 12:46 AM ET #156

    you didn't leave wallstreet any room to wiggle.

     

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    you didn't leave wallstreet any room to wiggle.

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2012 - 12:52 AM ET #157

    one thing we know for sure is that searchwarrent is not in any way involved in the law enforcement realm, in any capacity
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    one thing we know for sure is that searchwarrent is not in any way involved in the law enforcement realm, in any capacity
     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2012 - 2:30 AM ET #158

    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowWarrior:

    What if he threw a grenade?


    thought I was the only one wondering this... he had booby traps all over his apartment... sophisticated ones apparently at that...he waanted to draw maxiumum damage we can tell by his armory... if he would of chucked a bunch of grenades and fired on the crowd holy shit the casualties 
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowWarrior:

    What if he threw a grenade?


    thought I was the only one wondering this... he had booby traps all over his apartment... sophisticated ones apparently at that...he waanted to draw maxiumum damage we can tell by his armory... if he would of chucked a bunch of grenades and fired on the crowd holy shit the casualties 
     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2012 - 6:48 AM ET #159

    Quote Originally Posted by tiasman:


    You get my drift.  It's a free country and maniacs do happen.  In Scotland a maniac with a butcher knife killed over a dozen kindergartners.  Shall large knives be banned?


    No comparison.

    How often does this happen compared to the frequency of innocent lives being taken caused by mass shootings in the U.S?

    Appears to be an ignorance blinded by the perceived threat to 'freedom' when needing to implement tighter gun controls.

    Is there still a desire to cling on to the ethos of the old west?

     


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    Quote Originally Posted by tiasman:


    You get my drift.  It's a free country and maniacs do happen.  In Scotland a maniac with a butcher knife killed over a dozen kindergartners.  Shall large knives be banned?


    No comparison.

    How often does this happen compared to the frequency of innocent lives being taken caused by mass shootings in the U.S?

    Appears to be an ignorance blinded by the perceived threat to 'freedom' when needing to implement tighter gun controls.

    Is there still a desire to cling on to the ethos of the old west?

     


     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2012 - 8:48 AM ET #160

    Sadly, not much can be done to prevent this tragedy or future ones.  Politically, laws are hard to change.  Also hard for governments  to find and cure mentally ill at early enough stage.
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    Sadly, not much can be done to prevent this tragedy or future ones.  Politically, laws are hard to change.  Also hard for governments  to find and cure mentally ill at early enough stage.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2012 - 10:12 AM ET #161

    Quote Originally Posted by YosemiteSami:

    No comparison.
    How often does this happen compared to the frequency of innocent lives being taken caused by mass shootings in the U.S?
    Appears to be an ignorance blinded by the perceived threat to 'freedom' when needing to implement tighter gun controls.

    Is there still a desire to cling on to the ethos of the old west?


    It's absolutely comparable.  Mad people will always find victims, and laws reatricting the rights of good people will never change that.  The knife attack had a larger death toll even.  

    I remember during the london riots watching a once proud society forced to defend itsself with sticks and stones, it looked like a defeated people to me.

    In my state over 1.5 million people hold concealed gun licenses, since 1994, with no negative instances.

    BTW, Britains homocide rate is no lower than the U.S., when gang on gang violence is subtracted.  :)

    If the ethos of the old west is personal liberty, then yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YosemiteSami:

    No comparison.
    How often does this happen compared to the frequency of innocent lives being taken caused by mass shootings in the U.S?
    Appears to be an ignorance blinded by the perceived threat to 'freedom' when needing to implement tighter gun controls.

    Is there still a desire to cling on to the ethos of the old west?


    It's absolutely comparable.  Mad people will always find victims, and laws reatricting the rights of good people will never change that.  The knife attack had a larger death toll even.  

    I remember during the london riots watching a once proud society forced to defend itsself with sticks and stones, it looked like a defeated people to me.

    In my state over 1.5 million people hold concealed gun licenses, since 1994, with no negative instances.

    BTW, Britains homocide rate is no lower than the U.S., when gang on gang violence is subtracted.  :)

    If the ethos of the old west is personal liberty, then yes.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2012 - 10:12 AM ET #162

    spelling errors due to smart phone  
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2012 - 10:16 AM ET #163

    Home invasions rate in Britain also higher.  Crooks know residents cannot defend themselves.

    Bludgeoning deaths rate higher in britain as well.

    Drunk drivers kill more people in the u s every year than guns, ban alcohol?


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    Home invasions rate in Britain also higher.  Crooks know residents cannot defend themselves.

    Bludgeoning deaths rate higher in britain as well.

    Drunk drivers kill more people in the u s every year than guns, ban alcohol?


     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2012 - 11:17 AM ET #164

    Quote Originally Posted by tiasman:


    It's absolutely comparable.  Mad people will always find victims, and laws restricting the rights of good people will never change that.  The knife attack had a larger death toll even.  

    I remember during the london riots watching a once proud society forced to defend itsself with sticks and stones, it looked like a defeated people to me.

    In my state over 1.5 million people hold concealed gun licenses, since 1994, with no negative instances.

    BTW, Britains homocide rate is no lower than the U.S., when gang on gang violence is subtracted.  :)

    If the ethos of the old west is personal liberty, then yes.


    The comparison is flimsy at best.

    You'll always find people who are mentally unstable or have a gripe against society. If unfortunately they decide to exact a vengeance on fellow citizens, then I'd rather they attempted to do so with a knife than a weapon designed to kill, on which death can come with just a twitch of the finger.   

    I don't recall anyone using stones in the London riots! I did hear a story about someone throwing dog shit at a shoplifter though ;)

    The simple thing which the riots exposed were how woeful & unprepared our police were when asked to deal with a situation out of the norm. These weren't the first UK riots & they won't be the last (though they were the first to happen under the scrutiny of a 24hr news blood-lust & the instant communication of mobile phones)  Every few generations, and given the nature of a failed capitalist system where the gap between rich and poor is growing, you'll encounter large pockets of society who are utterly disenfranchised & intent on causing a bit of spontaneous anarchy against the state.

    Considering the thousands who were out on the streets up & down the country, it's unfortunate, but telling, that only 4 deaths occurred - 1 shooting & 3 from a hit-and-run driver.

    I'll wager that had the rioters & the general public been granted easy access to guns, the death toll would have been considerably higher.  


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    Quote Originally Posted by tiasman:


    It's absolutely comparable.  Mad people will always find victims, and laws restricting the rights of good people will never change that.  The knife attack had a larger death toll even.  

    I remember during the london riots watching a once proud society forced to defend itsself with sticks and stones, it looked like a defeated people to me.

    In my state over 1.5 million people hold concealed gun licenses, since 1994, with no negative instances.

    BTW, Britains homocide rate is no lower than the U.S., when gang on gang violence is subtracted.  :)

    If the ethos of the old west is personal liberty, then yes.


    The comparison is flimsy at best.

    You'll always find people who are mentally unstable or have a gripe against society. If unfortunately they decide to exact a vengeance on fellow citizens, then I'd rather they attempted to do so with a knife than a weapon designed to kill, on which death can come with just a twitch of the finger.   

    I don't recall anyone using stones in the London riots! I did hear a story about someone throwing dog shit at a shoplifter though ;)

    The simple thing which the riots exposed were how woeful & unprepared our police were when asked to deal with a situation out of the norm. These weren't the first UK riots & they won't be the last (though they were the first to happen under the scrutiny of a 24hr news blood-lust & the instant communication of mobile phones)  Every few generations, and given the nature of a failed capitalist system where the gap between rich and poor is growing, you'll encounter large pockets of society who are utterly disenfranchised & intent on causing a bit of spontaneous anarchy against the state.

    Considering the thousands who were out on the streets up & down the country, it's unfortunate, but telling, that only 4 deaths occurred - 1 shooting & 3 from a hit-and-run driver.

    I'll wager that had the rioters & the general public been granted easy access to guns, the death toll would have been considerably higher.  


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiasman:

    Home invasions rate in Britain also higher.  Crooks know residents cannot defend themselves.

    Bludgeoning deaths rate higher in britain as well.

    Drunk drivers kill more people in the u s every year than guns, ban alcohol?




    So your more likely (only just) to be a victim of a home invasion in the UK?

    While you're more likely to be shot in the U.S.?

    Great.

    As far as I'm aware, alcohol wasn't invented to kill. Nor cars, lawnmowers, baseball bats, chainsaws etc etc.

    If you allow easy access to something which sole purpose is to kill, then it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out there's gonna be problems.

    I haven't once said guns should be banned. But in light of recent events and many previous, is it not a valid point that guns are too easily accessible?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiasman:

    Home invasions rate in Britain also higher.  Crooks know residents cannot defend themselves.

    Bludgeoning deaths rate higher in britain as well.

    Drunk drivers kill more people in the u s every year than guns, ban alcohol?




    So your more likely (only just) to be a victim of a home invasion in the UK?

    While you're more likely to be shot in the U.S.?

    Great.

    As far as I'm aware, alcohol wasn't invented to kill. Nor cars, lawnmowers, baseball bats, chainsaws etc etc.

    If you allow easy access to something which sole purpose is to kill, then it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out there's gonna be problems.

    I haven't once said guns should be banned. But in light of recent events and many previous, is it not a valid point that guns are too easily accessible?
     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2012 - 4:55 PM ET #166

    yosemite, I respect u and your opinions  

    The only thing that bothered me at first was when u called my opinion ignorant.  I am very defensive about our gun rights because they do save dozens of lives a day in the U.S.  The media just refuses to report on it nationally, although the stories can be found on the local press.

    I can provide examples if interested.
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    yosemite, I respect u and your opinions  

    The only thing that bothered me at first was when u called my opinion ignorant.  I am very defensive about our gun rights because they do save dozens of lives a day in the U.S.  The media just refuses to report on it nationally, although the stories can be found on the local press.

    I can provide examples if interested.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2012 - 5:40 PM ET #167

    Apologies if it came across that I was calling your opinion ignorant as it wasn't intended

    It was more directed at those who believed that in UK (or European) society it would be more advantageous for it's citizens to carry firearms for protection when the culture just isn't that way inclined. There's enough irresponsible people over here who shouldn't be trusted with a spoon, let alone a gun.

    I respect that you have a strong belief on gun rights and appreciate that they can contribute in a positive fashion as a deterrent.

    Personally though, I still believe that it's a shame that there is a need to carry, not helped because those wishing to commit crime could also be carrying. 

    Interested to hear ideas on how incidents like a couple of days ago can be reduced? Can a solution be found through healthy debate which would satisfy both pro and anti gun supporters?




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    Apologies if it came across that I was calling your opinion ignorant as it wasn't intended

    It was more directed at those who believed that in UK (or European) society it would be more advantageous for it's citizens to carry firearms for protection when the culture just isn't that way inclined. There's enough irresponsible people over here who shouldn't be trusted with a spoon, let alone a gun.

    I respect that you have a strong belief on gun rights and appreciate that they can contribute in a positive fashion as a deterrent.

    Personally though, I still believe that it's a shame that there is a need to carry, not helped because those wishing to commit crime could also be carrying. 

    Interested to hear ideas on how incidents like a couple of days ago can be reduced? Can a solution be found through healthy debate which would satisfy both pro and anti gun supporters?




     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2012 - 6:50 PM ET #168

    I enjoyed the part where he fucked his AR-15 with a hot barrel that jameed.

    Drum clip will do that fuck stick, real fast with too much carbon buildup.. Over looked that one didn't ya??No shootout fantasy with the cops.

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    I enjoyed the part where he fucked his AR-15 with a hot barrel that jameed.

    Drum clip will do that fuck stick, real fast with too much carbon buildup.. Over looked that one didn't ya??No shootout fantasy with the cops.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2012 - 7:44 PM ET #169

    Slovak you shouldn't own a gun.  Nothing good can come from it. 
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    Slovak you shouldn't own a gun.  Nothing good can come from it. 
     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2012 - 10:08 PM ET #170

    Quote Originally Posted by marnypoly:

    People like this guy is why public hangings should be legal again. Sends a message to any future sick fucks. 
    hung, drawn, and quartered. at town hall
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnypoly:

    People like this guy is why public hangings should be legal again. Sends a message to any future sick fucks. 
    hung, drawn, and quartered. at town hall
     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2012 - 10:26 PM ET #171

    hung, drawn, and quartered. at town hall

    This is the finest post in every discussion. Cheers to you sir.

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    hung, drawn, and quartered. at town hall

    This is the finest post in every discussion. Cheers to you sir.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2012 - 10:27 PM ET #172

    The cocksucker may have told the cops he is the Joker.

    Ironically, when he gets to prison, he will be walking like the Penguin.

     

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    The cocksucker may have told the cops he is the Joker.

    Ironically, when he gets to prison, he will be walking like the Penguin.

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2012 - 10:47 PM ET #173

    i'm all for the judge and jury, but for a waste of oxygen like this guy, no judge and jury, just the executioner bud. cya. no death row, no last meal, take em out back, let the bugs deal with em.
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    i'm all for the judge and jury, but for a waste of oxygen like this guy, no judge and jury, just the executioner bud. cya. no death row, no last meal, take em out back, let the bugs deal with em.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2012 - 12:25 AM ET #174

    For such incredible acts of brutality, equal acts of heroism.  Like 911, there will always be something good to take away from this horrific event.  Hopefully the people whose lives were spared will make their lives count for humanity.
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    For such incredible acts of brutality, equal acts of heroism.  Like 911, there will always be something good to take away from this horrific event.  Hopefully the people whose lives were spared will make their lives count for humanity.
     
     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2012 - 12:49 AM ET #175

    No execution gentlemen. Solitary confinement for life at Folsom.

    You go insane after 6 months but ya can't kill yourself.

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    No execution gentlemen. Solitary confinement for life at Folsom.

    You go insane after 6 months but ya can't kill yourself.

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