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    Posted: Jul. 11, 2013 - 10:41 AM ET #1

    Before sharing my issue below, I was told to post in the forum if I felt that was how I wanted to resolve my issue because Matt from SBR said I didn't have a case. I posted the information below and around 12 hours later, I am banned for no reason. I guess SBR really needs to protect 5dimes from a forum post about a $50 wager.



    "I placed an in-game wager on the 2nd inning of a baseball game the other day. When placing an in-game wager on innings, there are normally two choices( Hits or Runs line).

    I placed a wager on a line for -.5 hits of that inning. About 5-10 minutes later, I was placing a wager for the following inning(3rd inning) which means the game was still in the 2nd inning and I noticed that the odds on my -.5 HITS was reversed with the RUNS line for that inning. 

    The odds that I had were -.5 hits at +310 when it should have been around +160-+175 which means 5dimes reversed the lines by accident. Once I realized the mistake, knowing that it was a bad line and I didn't want to take any chances, I went into livechat to report the error. (This was all before the inning was over so there is no guarantee if I would have won or lost the wager) When I reported it to livechat, I was told that it was a valid line. I asked how that could be since it was clearly obvious the lines were switched by mistake. The rep went to the line manager to come back saying the same thing that it was valid. 

    After that incident, I filled out a SBR form and I was told to talk to Becky or Tony about the issue. I talked to Becky on livechat and she admitted that the wager was a bad line but laughed at me, saying that I was complaining about having such good odds. I tried to tell Becky that it was before the inning was over and that if the +310 side won, I guarantee that it would have been cancelled due to a bad line and I didn't want to take any chances. Becky refused to do anything about the issue and said the wager stands.

    After that chat, I talked to Matt from SBR who said he doesn't feel like I have a case and I shouldn't pursue any farther. The wager is small($50) and now I am having to post about it on the forum when I tried to resolve it without going here.

    So, my question to every is -- Is it okay that 5dimes acknowledges it was a bad line yet chooses to do nothing about it? I feel that if my side won(+310) it would have been voided instantly. 

    Opinions are welcome --"


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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    Before sharing my issue below, I was told to post in the forum if I felt that was how I wanted to resolve my issue because Matt from SBR said I didn't have a case. I posted the information below and around 12 hours later, I am banned for no reason. I guess SBR really needs to protect 5dimes from a forum post about a $50 wager.



    "I placed an in-game wager on the 2nd inning of a baseball game the other day. When placing an in-game wager on innings, there are normally two choices( Hits or Runs line).

    I placed a wager on a line for -.5 hits of that inning. About 5-10 minutes later, I was placing a wager for the following inning(3rd inning) which means the game was still in the 2nd inning and I noticed that the odds on my -.5 HITS was reversed with the RUNS line for that inning. 

    The odds that I had were -.5 hits at +310 when it should have been around +160-+175 which means 5dimes reversed the lines by accident. Once I realized the mistake, knowing that it was a bad line and I didn't want to take any chances, I went into livechat to report the error. (This was all before the inning was over so there is no guarantee if I would have won or lost the wager) When I reported it to livechat, I was told that it was a valid line. I asked how that could be since it was clearly obvious the lines were switched by mistake. The rep went to the line manager to come back saying the same thing that it was valid. 

    After that incident, I filled out a SBR form and I was told to talk to Becky or Tony about the issue. I talked to Becky on livechat and she admitted that the wager was a bad line but laughed at me, saying that I was complaining about having such good odds. I tried to tell Becky that it was before the inning was over and that if the +310 side won, I guarantee that it would have been cancelled due to a bad line and I didn't want to take any chances. Becky refused to do anything about the issue and said the wager stands.

    After that chat, I talked to Matt from SBR who said he doesn't feel like I have a case and I shouldn't pursue any farther. The wager is small($50) and now I am having to post about it on the forum when I tried to resolve it without going here.

    So, my question to every is -- Is it okay that 5dimes acknowledges it was a bad line yet chooses to do nothing about it? I feel that if my side won(+310) it would have been voided instantly. 

    Opinions are welcome --"


     
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    Posted: Jul. 11, 2013 - 11:14 AM ET #2

    Quote Originally Posted by walkingman:

    Before sharing my issue below, I was told to post in the forum if I felt that was how I wanted to resolve my issue because Matt from SBR said I didn't have a case. I posted the information below and around 12 hours later, I am banned for no reason. I guess SBR really needs to protect 5dimes from a forum post about a $50 wager.



    "I placed an in-game wager on the 2nd inning of a baseball game the other day. When placing an in-game wager on innings, there are normally two choices( Hits or Runs line).

    I placed a wager on a line for -.5 hits of that inning. About 5-10 minutes later, I was placing a wager for the following inning(3rd inning) which means the game was still in the 2nd inning and I noticed that the odds on my -.5 HITS was reversed with the RUNS line for that inning. 

    The odds that I had were -.5 hits at +310 when it should have been around +160-+175 which means 5dimes reversed the lines by accident. Once I realized the mistake, knowing that it was a bad line and I didn't want to take any chances, I went into livechat to report the error. (This was all before the inning was over so there is no guarantee if I would have won or lost the wager) When I reported it to livechat, I was told that it was a valid line. I asked how that could be since it was clearly obvious the lines were switched by mistake. The rep went to the line manager to come back saying the same thing that it was valid. 

    After that incident, I filled out a SBR form and I was told to talk to Becky or Tony about the issue. I talked to Becky on livechat and she admitted that the wager was a bad line but laughed at me, saying that I was complaining about having such good odds. I tried to tell Becky that it was before the inning was over and that if the +310 side won, I guarantee that it would have been cancelled due to a bad line and I didn't want to take any chances. Becky refused to do anything about the issue and said the wager stands.

    After that chat, I talked to Matt from SBR who said he doesn't feel like I have a case and I shouldn't pursue any farther. The wager is small($50) and now I am having to post about it on the forum when I tried to resolve it without going here.

    So, my question to every is -- Is it okay that 5dimes acknowledges it was a bad line yet chooses to do nothing about it? I feel that if my side won(+310) it would have been voided instantly. 

    Opinions are welcome --"


    you got a better line, yet complain they wouldnt cancel it? Move on, you lost the wager.
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    Quote Originally Posted by walkingman:

    Before sharing my issue below, I was told to post in the forum if I felt that was how I wanted to resolve my issue because Matt from SBR said I didn't have a case. I posted the information below and around 12 hours later, I am banned for no reason. I guess SBR really needs to protect 5dimes from a forum post about a $50 wager.



    "I placed an in-game wager on the 2nd inning of a baseball game the other day. When placing an in-game wager on innings, there are normally two choices( Hits or Runs line).

    I placed a wager on a line for -.5 hits of that inning. About 5-10 minutes later, I was placing a wager for the following inning(3rd inning) which means the game was still in the 2nd inning and I noticed that the odds on my -.5 HITS was reversed with the RUNS line for that inning. 

    The odds that I had were -.5 hits at +310 when it should have been around +160-+175 which means 5dimes reversed the lines by accident. Once I realized the mistake, knowing that it was a bad line and I didn't want to take any chances, I went into livechat to report the error. (This was all before the inning was over so there is no guarantee if I would have won or lost the wager) When I reported it to livechat, I was told that it was a valid line. I asked how that could be since it was clearly obvious the lines were switched by mistake. The rep went to the line manager to come back saying the same thing that it was valid. 

    After that incident, I filled out a SBR form and I was told to talk to Becky or Tony about the issue. I talked to Becky on livechat and she admitted that the wager was a bad line but laughed at me, saying that I was complaining about having such good odds. I tried to tell Becky that it was before the inning was over and that if the +310 side won, I guarantee that it would have been cancelled due to a bad line and I didn't want to take any chances. Becky refused to do anything about the issue and said the wager stands.

    After that chat, I talked to Matt from SBR who said he doesn't feel like I have a case and I shouldn't pursue any farther. The wager is small($50) and now I am having to post about it on the forum when I tried to resolve it without going here.

    So, my question to every is -- Is it okay that 5dimes acknowledges it was a bad line yet chooses to do nothing about it? I feel that if my side won(+310) it would have been voided instantly. 

    Opinions are welcome --"


    you got a better line, yet complain they wouldnt cancel it? Move on, you lost the wager.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 11, 2013 - 12:10 PM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by slike:

    you got a better line, yet complain they wouldnt cancel it? Move on, you lost the wager.

    Apparently you don't understand the concept of a bad line and that 5dimes would have voided it if the +310 won. It was an obvious free-roll for them. The book admits it was a bad line but it was okay because I am sure they won money on the wager. If the +310 won and they voided out the wager, everyone would be saying the book was right because it was a bad line so why is it right and they can have it both ways? The line was not even close to being accurate. 

    Move on, you don't understand the issue. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by slike:

    you got a better line, yet complain they wouldnt cancel it? Move on, you lost the wager.

    Apparently you don't understand the concept of a bad line and that 5dimes would have voided it if the +310 won. It was an obvious free-roll for them. The book admits it was a bad line but it was okay because I am sure they won money on the wager. If the +310 won and they voided out the wager, everyone would be saying the book was right because it was a bad line so why is it right and they can have it both ways? The line was not even close to being accurate. 

    Move on, you don't understand the issue. 
     
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    Posted: Jul. 11, 2013 - 2:30 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by walkingman:


    Apparently you don't understand the concept of a bad line and that 5dimes would have voided it if the +310 won. It was an obvious free-roll for them. The book admits it was a bad line but it was okay because I am sure they won money on the wager. If the +310 won and they voided out the wager, everyone would be saying the book was right because it was a bad line so why is it right and they can have it both ways? The line was not even close to being accurate. 

    Move on, you don't understand the issue. 
    you've asked for an opinion on several forums, but dont seem to like the opinions you recieve?
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    Quote Originally Posted by walkingman:


    Apparently you don't understand the concept of a bad line and that 5dimes would have voided it if the +310 won. It was an obvious free-roll for them. The book admits it was a bad line but it was okay because I am sure they won money on the wager. If the +310 won and they voided out the wager, everyone would be saying the book was right because it was a bad line so why is it right and they can have it both ways? The line was not even close to being accurate. 

    Move on, you don't understand the issue. 
    you've asked for an opinion on several forums, but dont seem to like the opinions you recieve?
     
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    Posted: Jul. 11, 2013 - 2:56 PM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by slike:

    you've asked for an opinion on several forums, but dont seem to like the opinions you recieve?

    I wanted opinions from people that understood the situation. Saying ' I am complaining that I got a better line' is saying that I asked for the wager to be cancelled AFTER it was over and cited it was a bad line which is false. 

    The facts are simple: 5dimes has admitted it was a bad line and SBR banned me to protect their beloved company. The fact that 5dimes would cancel the wager of +310 if it had won and everybody would agree with the book is where the argument is. You shouldn't be able to play both sides of the street and cancel a wager for bad line but let a wager with a bad line stand. 

    If 5dimes declined it was a bad line then I could see an argument that I am wrong but since they admitted to a bad line, I cannot see how they are right. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by slike:

    you've asked for an opinion on several forums, but dont seem to like the opinions you recieve?

    I wanted opinions from people that understood the situation. Saying ' I am complaining that I got a better line' is saying that I asked for the wager to be cancelled AFTER it was over and cited it was a bad line which is false. 

    The facts are simple: 5dimes has admitted it was a bad line and SBR banned me to protect their beloved company. The fact that 5dimes would cancel the wager of +310 if it had won and everybody would agree with the book is where the argument is. You shouldn't be able to play both sides of the street and cancel a wager for bad line but let a wager with a bad line stand. 

    If 5dimes declined it was a bad line then I could see an argument that I am wrong but since they admitted to a bad line, I cannot see how they are right. 
     
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    Posted: Jul. 11, 2013 - 10:40 PM ET #6

    I am also banned for life at SBR. Tony at 5Dimes screwed me and told me to Fork off and deal with it or he would close my acct for good. I tried to be reasonable but he refused to even hear me so I charged back my credit card. I knew my 5Dimes acct would be closed but who cares??? I was surprised that my SBR acct was closed the same day. They have to be in bed together for it to have happened just hours apart. I didn't tell anybody at SBR that I even had a problem with Tony. The book had to have called SBR immediately.

    Tony is used to being able to feed players s*#t and us thanking him for it. Not me and never again. It also seems that 5Dimes has been on a downward spiral over the last year. Glad I left them.

    On another note, I think the 50 dollar bet was to little of an amount of cash to be blowing up all these forums about. I do agree that they free rolled you but you took a shot at them as well. Call it a draw and move on. Go play at Heritage. Much better book anyway.

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    I am also banned for life at SBR. Tony at 5Dimes screwed me and told me to Fork off and deal with it or he would close my acct for good. I tried to be reasonable but he refused to even hear me so I charged back my credit card. I knew my 5Dimes acct would be closed but who cares??? I was surprised that my SBR acct was closed the same day. They have to be in bed together for it to have happened just hours apart. I didn't tell anybody at SBR that I even had a problem with Tony. The book had to have called SBR immediately.

    Tony is used to being able to feed players s*#t and us thanking him for it. Not me and never again. It also seems that 5Dimes has been on a downward spiral over the last year. Glad I left them.

    On another note, I think the 50 dollar bet was to little of an amount of cash to be blowing up all these forums about. I do agree that they free rolled you but you took a shot at them as well. Call it a draw and move on. Go play at Heritage. Much better book anyway.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 13, 2013 - 11:34 AM ET #7

    It appears they would have honored the bet, but I do agree that it was a 50 bet that you lost regardless.  Seems like you are just trying to figure a way to get your $50 back...  Move on, it's a bit ridiculous!!  I understand what you are saying about their freeroll but you dont know that they wouldn't have honored it. It seems like they would have .
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    It appears they would have honored the bet, but I do agree that it was a 50 bet that you lost regardless.  Seems like you are just trying to figure a way to get your $50 back...  Move on, it's a bit ridiculous!!  I understand what you are saying about their freeroll but you dont know that they wouldn't have honored it. It seems like they would have .
     
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    Posted: Jul. 13, 2013 - 10:37 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by SheetsMcgee:

    It appears they would have honored the bet, but I do agree that it was a 50 bet that you lost regardless.  Seems like you are just trying to figure a way to get your $50 back...  Move on, it's a bit ridiculous!!  I understand what you are saying about their freeroll but you dont know that they wouldn't have honored it. It seems like they would have .

    The wager amount has nothing to do with the situation. I only mentioned it because it was ridiculous that 5dimes would let me post about it on the forums for a small amount. Arguing that the amount of the wager should make me stop posting about it, is a stupid and invalid point. Would you not argue about an extra $20 charge on your credit card because it's only $20 even though it was wrong? 
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    Quote Originally Posted by SheetsMcgee:

    It appears they would have honored the bet, but I do agree that it was a 50 bet that you lost regardless.  Seems like you are just trying to figure a way to get your $50 back...  Move on, it's a bit ridiculous!!  I understand what you are saying about their freeroll but you dont know that they wouldn't have honored it. It seems like they would have .

    The wager amount has nothing to do with the situation. I only mentioned it because it was ridiculous that 5dimes would let me post about it on the forums for a small amount. Arguing that the amount of the wager should make me stop posting about it, is a stupid and invalid point. Would you not argue about an extra $20 charge on your credit card because it's only $20 even though it was wrong? 
     
    GOPHERNATION12
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2013 - 2:56 AM ET #9

    I get your point. It was a no lose situation for 5dimes. If you lose the bet they keep your money and I 100% guarantee if it had won they then would have voided it regardless of what anyone there told you.

    You stand on principle and that is honorable but these days with certain books you really have to pick you battles better. I think I would have maybe talked to them once and let it go for $50.

    Best of luck going forward. 
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    I get your point. It was a no lose situation for 5dimes. If you lose the bet they keep your money and I 100% guarantee if it had won they then would have voided it regardless of what anyone there told you.

    You stand on principle and that is honorable but these days with certain books you really have to pick you battles better. I think I would have maybe talked to them once and let it go for $50.

    Best of luck going forward. 
     
     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2013 - 11:19 AM ET #10

    Get a local......or 2!
    Get your local to use 5dimes, pinnys, and or bookmaker lines .....its easier to argue face to face.....

    I learned....you win ......your limits are cut way down.....getting paid is a crap shoot and yes 5dimez has gone down hill but its been the last 3 + years...

    Learn the $50 lesson......don't stay offshore....

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    Get a local......or 2!
    Get your local to use 5dimes, pinnys, and or bookmaker lines .....its easier to argue face to face.....

    I learned....you win ......your limits are cut way down.....getting paid is a crap shoot and yes 5dimez has gone down hill but its been the last 3 + years...

    Learn the $50 lesson......don't stay offshore....

    INVESTINSPORTS
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