To avoid catching Legionnaires’ Disease from your car, simply use
screen wash fluid at the recommended concentration in your windshield
washer tank, instead of using plain water.
Don't use plain water for car’s windscreen washer to save money, use screen wash fluid from now
Public Health Wales supports advice to add screen wash to car washer fluid following the publication of the results of an HPA study.
Legionnaires' disease
Legionnaires’ disease is a potentially fatal lung infection. The
disease is contracted by breathing in small droplets of contaminated
water.
Legionnaires' disease is commonly linked to
water systems such as air conditioning units, showers and fountains,
where water is given off in a fine spray.
The HPA study found two vehicle-related actions that can increase the risk of catching Legionnaires' disease.
These are:
driving through industrial areas
driving or being a passenger in a vehicle without screenwash in its wiper fluid
------------------------------------- There were also more cases of the disease in those who drove through
industrial areas—perhaps because they washed their windscreens more—and
those who drove with their windows open, who probably inhaled more of
the spray. ------------------------------------------------------------ The warm, stagnant water provides a favorable environment for growth of
the bacteria, which are then sprayed in a fine mist towards the driver
and passengers ------------------------------------------------------------ Significantly, the bacteria was not found in washer fluid reservoirs that contained screen wash fluid instead of plain water. ------------------------------------------------------ If you use standard tap water in your windshield washer fluid reservoir
instead of a cleaner, you may have effectively turned your vehicle into a
biological weapon. Sure, that sounds cool and all, but according to BBC News,
the only person you're going to be hurting is yourself. As it turns
out, using plain water can cause the washer fluid system to become a
breeding ground for Legionella bacterium – the same nastiness that
causes Legionaires' Disease and pneumonia. Spray your windshield and the bacteria becomes airborne, allowing it to easily enter your lungs and wreak havoc with your immune system.
Researchers discovered the hive of scum and villainy lurking under the
hood by attempting to discern why professional drivers were five times
more likely to become ill than their amateur counterparts. After a
little scientific sleuthing, the lab coats unearthed the bacteria. So do
the world a favor and top off your windshield washer fluid reservoir
with some sort of purpose-built cleaner. The stuff will kill the
infection-causing bacteria and will keep the fluid from freezing in the
winter.
To remove first post, remove entire topic.
To avoid catching Legionnaires’ Disease from your car, simply use
screen wash fluid at the recommended concentration in your windshield
washer tank, instead of using plain water.
Don't use plain water for car’s windscreen washer to save money, use screen wash fluid from now
Public Health Wales supports advice to add screen wash to car washer fluid following the publication of the results of an HPA study.
Legionnaires' disease
Legionnaires’ disease is a potentially fatal lung infection. The
disease is contracted by breathing in small droplets of contaminated
water.
Legionnaires' disease is commonly linked to
water systems such as air conditioning units, showers and fountains,
where water is given off in a fine spray.
The HPA study found two vehicle-related actions that can increase the risk of catching Legionnaires' disease.
These are:
driving through industrial areas
driving or being a passenger in a vehicle without screenwash in its wiper fluid
------------------------------------- There were also more cases of the disease in those who drove through
industrial areas—perhaps because they washed their windscreens more—and
those who drove with their windows open, who probably inhaled more of
the spray. ------------------------------------------------------------ The warm, stagnant water provides a favorable environment for growth of
the bacteria, which are then sprayed in a fine mist towards the driver
and passengers ------------------------------------------------------------ Significantly, the bacteria was not found in washer fluid reservoirs that contained screen wash fluid instead of plain water. ------------------------------------------------------ If you use standard tap water in your windshield washer fluid reservoir
instead of a cleaner, you may have effectively turned your vehicle into a
biological weapon. Sure, that sounds cool and all, but according to BBC News,
the only person you're going to be hurting is yourself. As it turns
out, using plain water can cause the washer fluid system to become a
breeding ground for Legionella bacterium – the same nastiness that
causes Legionaires' Disease and pneumonia. Spray your windshield and the bacteria becomes airborne, allowing it to easily enter your lungs and wreak havoc with your immune system.
Researchers discovered the hive of scum and villainy lurking under the
hood by attempting to discern why professional drivers were five times
more likely to become ill than their amateur counterparts. After a
little scientific sleuthing, the lab coats unearthed the bacteria. So do
the world a favor and top off your windshield washer fluid reservoir
with some sort of purpose-built cleaner. The stuff will kill the
infection-causing bacteria and will keep the fluid from freezing in the
winter.
On 14 June 2010 stories appeared on the BBC and AFP. Google news displayed 70 story links. The European Journal of Epidemiology had published the research article
online on 8 June. The very nice study strongly suggests that about 20%
of sporadic cases of Legionnaire's disease in England and Wales may be
caused by bacteria in windscreen wiper fluid. The exposure can be
eliminated easily by adding "screenwash."
It appears that the Legionella bacteria (Legionella pneumophila) can
thrive in the warmed water that is held for the windshield washer
system, often located in the engine compartment, in many motor vehicles.
When sprayed, this water presumably forms droplets containing the
bacteria, spreading the infection much as happened from the cooling
system at the Bellevue-Stratford Hotel in 1976 in Philadelphia during
the American Legion convention. The chemicals that are often added to
wiper fluid to improve cleaning appear to be sufficient to prevent
growth or survival of the bacteria.
Public health rarely finds such simple ways to prevent disease, but
why did the world hear about this only after the article appeared in a
scientific journal, rather than from the Health Protection Agency (where
three of the authors appear to work) and other public health agencies
around the world? The article was submitted more than 6 months ago, 11
December 2009.
Anthony Robbins, a Professor of Public Health at Tufts University School of Medicine and co-editor of the Journal of Public Health Policy,
directed the Vermont, then the Colorado state health departments, and
the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health before serving
as professional staff to the House Energy and Commerce Committee. He
also directed the US National Vaccine Program and edited Public Health Reports.
On 14 June 2010 stories appeared on the BBC and AFP. Google news displayed 70 story links. The European Journal of Epidemiology had published the research article
online on 8 June. The very nice study strongly suggests that about 20%
of sporadic cases of Legionnaire's disease in England and Wales may be
caused by bacteria in windscreen wiper fluid. The exposure can be
eliminated easily by adding "screenwash."
It appears that the Legionella bacteria (Legionella pneumophila) can
thrive in the warmed water that is held for the windshield washer
system, often located in the engine compartment, in many motor vehicles.
When sprayed, this water presumably forms droplets containing the
bacteria, spreading the infection much as happened from the cooling
system at the Bellevue-Stratford Hotel in 1976 in Philadelphia during
the American Legion convention. The chemicals that are often added to
wiper fluid to improve cleaning appear to be sufficient to prevent
growth or survival of the bacteria.
Public health rarely finds such simple ways to prevent disease, but
why did the world hear about this only after the article appeared in a
scientific journal, rather than from the Health Protection Agency (where
three of the authors appear to work) and other public health agencies
around the world? The article was submitted more than 6 months ago, 11
December 2009.
Anthony Robbins, a Professor of Public Health at Tufts University School of Medicine and co-editor of the Journal of Public Health Policy,
directed the Vermont, then the Colorado state health departments, and
the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health before serving
as professional staff to the House Energy and Commerce Committee. He
also directed the US National Vaccine Program and edited Public Health Reports.
A.
Legionnaires'
disease is a
type of
pneumonia that
is caused by Legionella,
a bacterium
found
primarily in
warm water
environments.
Both the
disease and
the bacterium
were
discovered
following an
outbreak
traced to a
1976 American
Legion
convention in
Philadelphia.
Pontiac fever,
a flu-like
illness, is
also caused by
Legionella
organisms
(legionellae),
but is not as
serious as
Legionnaires'
disease. Most
people who get
Pontiac fever
recover within
five days,
without having
to be
hospitalized.
Q.
What is
Legionnaires'
disease?
A.
Legionnaires'
disease is a
type of
pneumonia that
is caused by Legionella,
a bacterium
found
primarily in
warm water
environments.
Both the
disease and
the bacterium
were
discovered
following an
outbreak
traced to a
1976 American
Legion
convention in
Philadelphia.
Pontiac fever,
a flu-like
illness, is
also caused by
Legionella
organisms
(legionellae),
but is not as
serious as
Legionnaires'
disease. Most
people who get
Pontiac fever
recover within
five days,
without having
to be
hospitalized.
A.
Legionnaires'
disease
develops
within 2 to 10
days after
exposure to
legionellae.
Initial
symptoms may
include loss
of energy,
headache,
nausea, aching
muscles, high
fever (often
exceeding 104°F),
and chest
pains. Later,
many bodily
systems as
well as the
mind may be
affected. The
disease
eventually
will cause
death if the
body’s high
fever and
antibodies
cannot defeat
it. Victims
who survive
may suffer
permanent
physical or
mental
impairmen
Q.What are
the symptoms
of
Legionnaires'
disease?
A.
Legionnaires'
disease
develops
within 2 to 10
days after
exposure to
legionellae.
Initial
symptoms may
include loss
of energy,
headache,
nausea, aching
muscles, high
fever (often
exceeding 104°F),
and chest
pains. Later,
many bodily
systems as
well as the
mind may be
affected. The
disease
eventually
will cause
death if the
body’s high
fever and
antibodies
cannot defeat
it. Victims
who survive
may suffer
permanent
physical or
mental
impairmen
A.
Legionnaires’
is not rare.
It is
perceived as
rare only
because most
cases are
never
detected, and
not all
detected cases
are reported
to public
health
authorities.
Because
underdiagnosis
and
under-reporting
make incidence
of the disease
difficult to
estimate,
figures have
varied widely.
The (U.S.)
Centers for
Disease
Control and
Prevention (CDC),
Atlanta, has
estimated that
the disease
infects 10,000
to 15,000
persons
annually in
the United
States, but
others have
estimated as
many as
100,000 annual
U.S. cases.
Another
reason that
Legionnaires’
is falsely
perceived as
rare is that
when cases are
detected, the
public rarely
hears about
them. Most
cases—at
least 65 to 80
percent in the
United States
and the United
Kingdom
—occur
sporadically
(one or two at
a time). Thus,
only a small
percentage of
cases occur as
part of the
multicase
outbreaks that
sometimes make
the news.
Cases of the
disease are
seldom
publicized
even when
lawsuits are
involved,
because most
Legionnaires’
lawsuits are
settled
quickly and
under terms of
confidentiality.
A
case of
Legionnaires’
disease will
go undetected
unless special
laboratory
tests are
performed.
Unfortunately,
most U.S.
hospitals
still have not
made these
tests
routinely
available.
It is
reasonable to
assume that
undetected
cases of
Legionnaires’
are occurring
because
experience has
shown that
increased
suspicion of
the disease
among
physicians,
when combined
with increased
patient
testing, leads
to more
diagnoses.
Some hospitals
have
recognized
cases of
Legionnaires’
disease only
after
increased
testing of
patients with
pneumonia.
Likewise, in
hospitals
where only one
to three cases
of
Legionnaires’
were
identified
over several
months,
numerous
additional
cases were
recognized
after
surveillance
was
intensified.
Studies
of
community-acquired
pneumonia
(cases
acquired
outside
hospitals)
have also
indicated that
increased
surveillance
leads to more
diagnoses. A
large-scale
study in Ohio
(U.S.A.)
suggested that
only 3 percent
of sporadic
cases of
Legionnaires’
disease were
correctly
diagnosed.
By comparison,
in studies in
which
diagnostic
tests have
been
consistently
used, Legionella
has been
recognized
among the top
three or four
microbial
causes of
community-acquired
pneumonia.
Because
the symptoms
of
Legionnaires’
are similar to
those of other
types of
pneumonia,
undetected
cases of
Legionnaires’
disease end up
being
classified
merely as
pneumonia with
no apparent
cause. Based
on CDC
estimates,
this means
that 8 to 39
pneumonia
deaths occur
each week in
the United
States without
anyone knowing
that the cause
was Legionella.
What’s worse
is that many
of these
deaths could
be prevented
because,
unlike most
pneumonias,
the source
(e.g., a
hot-water
system) of
Legionnaires’
cases can be
identified.
But if Legionella
is not
recognized as
the cause, no
investigation
ensues to
pinpoint and
disinfect the
source, so the
same source
remains a
threat.
Q.Is
Legionnaires
disease
common?
A.
Legionnaires’
is not rare.
It is
perceived as
rare only
because most
cases are
never
detected, and
not all
detected cases
are reported
to public
health
authorities.
Because
underdiagnosis
and
under-reporting
make incidence
of the disease
difficult to
estimate,
figures have
varied widely.
The (U.S.)
Centers for
Disease
Control and
Prevention (CDC),
Atlanta, has
estimated that
the disease
infects 10,000
to 15,000
persons
annually in
the United
States, but
others have
estimated as
many as
100,000 annual
U.S. cases.
Another
reason that
Legionnaires’
is falsely
perceived as
rare is that
when cases are
detected, the
public rarely
hears about
them. Most
cases—at
least 65 to 80
percent in the
United States
and the United
Kingdom
—occur
sporadically
(one or two at
a time). Thus,
only a small
percentage of
cases occur as
part of the
multicase
outbreaks that
sometimes make
the news.
Cases of the
disease are
seldom
publicized
even when
lawsuits are
involved,
because most
Legionnaires’
lawsuits are
settled
quickly and
under terms of
confidentiality.
A
case of
Legionnaires’
disease will
go undetected
unless special
laboratory
tests are
performed.
Unfortunately,
most U.S.
hospitals
still have not
made these
tests
routinely
available.
It is
reasonable to
assume that
undetected
cases of
Legionnaires’
are occurring
because
experience has
shown that
increased
suspicion of
the disease
among
physicians,
when combined
with increased
patient
testing, leads
to more
diagnoses.
Some hospitals
have
recognized
cases of
Legionnaires’
disease only
after
increased
testing of
patients with
pneumonia.
Likewise, in
hospitals
where only one
to three cases
of
Legionnaires’
were
identified
over several
months,
numerous
additional
cases were
recognized
after
surveillance
was
intensified.
Studies
of
community-acquired
pneumonia
(cases
acquired
outside
hospitals)
have also
indicated that
increased
surveillance
leads to more
diagnoses. A
large-scale
study in Ohio
(U.S.A.)
suggested that
only 3 percent
of sporadic
cases of
Legionnaires’
disease were
correctly
diagnosed.
By comparison,
in studies in
which
diagnostic
tests have
been
consistently
used, Legionella
has been
recognized
among the top
three or four
microbial
causes of
community-acquired
pneumonia.
Because
the symptoms
of
Legionnaires’
are similar to
those of other
types of
pneumonia,
undetected
cases of
Legionnaires’
disease end up
being
classified
merely as
pneumonia with
no apparent
cause. Based
on CDC
estimates,
this means
that 8 to 39
pneumonia
deaths occur
each week in
the United
States without
anyone knowing
that the cause
was Legionella.
What’s worse
is that many
of these
deaths could
be prevented
because,
unlike most
pneumonias,
the source
(e.g., a
hot-water
system) of
Legionnaires’
cases can be
identified.
But if Legionella
is not
recognized as
the cause, no
investigation
ensues to
pinpoint and
disinfect the
source, so the
same source
remains a
threat.
A.
Legionnaires'
disease is
contracted by
inhaling
airborne water
droplets
containing
legionellae.
Some
investigators
believe that
the disease
may be
acquired also
by drinking
legionellae-contaminated
water,
particularly
if legionellae
aspirated from
the water are
inhaled before
the water
enters the
stomach. Cases
have also been
blamed on
contact
between
contaminated
water and
incisions or
skin
wounds.The
disease is not
contagious
Q.How does a
person get
Legionnaires'
disease?
A.
Legionnaires'
disease is
contracted by
inhaling
airborne water
droplets
containing
legionellae.
Some
investigators
believe that
the disease
may be
acquired also
by drinking
legionellae-contaminated
water,
particularly
if legionellae
aspirated from
the water are
inhaled before
the water
enters the
stomach. Cases
have also been
blamed on
contact
between
contaminated
water and
incisions or
skin
wounds.The
disease is not
contagious
Q.Who is at
risk of
contracting
Legionnaires
disease?
A.
The risk of
infection is
based on two
key factors:
the number of
legionellae
reaching the
body and the
resistance of
the
individual.
Young and
healthy people
can get
Legionnaires’
disease, but
persons who
are
immunocompromised
either because
of illness
(e.g., cancer)
or medical
treatment
(e.g.,
chemotherapy)
are at a much
higher risk
because they
can be
infected by
relatively low
legionellae
counts.
HIV-infected
patients, for
example, have
a 40-fold
increased
risk; organ
transplant
recipients
have a
200-fold
increased
risk. Smokers,
persons over
65 years of
age, and heavy
drinkers have
a moderately
higher risk.
Children
have
contracted
Legionnaires'
disease. Most
cases have
occurred in
immunosuppressed
children, but
a number of
immunocompetent
children,
particularly
newborns, have
acquired the
disease, most
often after
surgeries, or
through the
use of
legionellae-contaminated
ventilators
Q.Who is at
risk of
contracting
Legionnaires
disease?
A.
The risk of
infection is
based on two
key factors:
the number of
legionellae
reaching the
body and the
resistance of
the
individual.
Young and
healthy people
can get
Legionnaires’
disease, but
persons who
are
immunocompromised
either because
of illness
(e.g., cancer)
or medical
treatment
(e.g.,
chemotherapy)
are at a much
higher risk
because they
can be
infected by
relatively low
legionellae
counts.
HIV-infected
patients, for
example, have
a 40-fold
increased
risk; organ
transplant
recipients
have a
200-fold
increased
risk. Smokers,
persons over
65 years of
age, and heavy
drinkers have
a moderately
higher risk.
Children
have
contracted
Legionnaires'
disease. Most
cases have
occurred in
immunosuppressed
children, but
a number of
immunocompetent
children,
particularly
newborns, have
acquired the
disease, most
often after
surgeries, or
through the
use of
legionellae-contaminated
ventilators
A.
Underlying
disease and
advanced age
not only
increase the
risk of
contracting
Legionnaires’
disease but
also the risk
of dying from
it, so it is
not surprising
that a CDC
study of
reported cases
indicated a
death rate of
40 percent for
cases acquired
during a
hospital stay
(nosocomial
cases), but a
death rate of
20 percent for
community-acquired
cases. Some
outbreaks have
claimed more
than 50
percent
Q.What is the
death rate?
A.
Underlying
disease and
advanced age
not only
increase the
risk of
contracting
Legionnaires’
disease but
also the risk
of dying from
it, so it is
not surprising
that a CDC
study of
reported cases
indicated a
death rate of
40 percent for
cases acquired
during a
hospital stay
(nosocomial
cases), but a
death rate of
20 percent for
community-acquired
cases. Some
outbreaks have
claimed more
than 50
percent
Q.
What
precautions
can be taken
to prevent
Legionnaires'
disease?
A.
Legionnaires'
is considered
an
environmental
disease
because its
causative
agent
(legionellae)
is transmitted
from an
environmental
source (water)
to a person
(in contrast
with
communicable
diseases, such
as AIDS, which
are
transmitted
from person to
person).
Therefore,
keeping
legionellae
out of water
is the key to
preventing the
disease. For
example,
plumbing
systems can be
maintained to
minimize the
growth of
legionellae.
And if
preventive
measures alone
do not control
the bacteria,
disinfection
procedures can
be
implemented
Q.
What
precautions
can be taken
to prevent
Legionnaires'
disease?
A.
Legionnaires'
is considered
an
environmental
disease
because its
causative
agent
(legionellae)
is transmitted
from an
environmental
source (water)
to a person
(in contrast
with
communicable
diseases, such
as AIDS, which
are
transmitted
from person to
person).
Therefore,
keeping
legionellae
out of water
is the key to
preventing the
disease. For
example,
plumbing
systems can be
maintained to
minimize the
growth of
legionellae.
And if
preventive
measures alone
do not control
the bacteria,
disinfection
procedures can
be
implemented
Q.
How can I
reduce my risk
of getting
Legionnaires'
disease?
A.
You can
reduce your
risk of
Legionnaires’
disease by (a)
lowering
your
susceptibility
to
infection
and (b)
avoiding
exposure
to Legionella
bacteria. The most
important
factor in
lowering your
susceptibility
to infection
is to stop
smoking. Among
persons who
are not
immunocompromised,
smoking is the
number one
factor in
acquiring
Legionnaires
disease. A
study of 146
adults with
Legionnaires’
disease
indicated that
smoking
sharply
increased the
risk of
contracting
the disease.
As for
avoiding
exposure to
legionellae,
you have
several
options.
Some measures
cost nothing
and should be
implemented
out of good
sense.
Expensive
measures could
be a waste of
money for
healthy
nonsmoking
adults, who
are at low
risk of
contracting
Legionaires
disease. High-risk
individuals,
however,
should
consider
taking every
reasonable
precaution.
Q.
How can I
reduce my risk
of getting
Legionnaires'
disease?
A.
You can
reduce your
risk of
Legionnaires’
disease by (a)
lowering
your
susceptibility
to
infection
and (b)
avoiding
exposure
to Legionella
bacteria. The most
important
factor in
lowering your
susceptibility
to infection
is to stop
smoking. Among
persons who
are not
immunocompromised,
smoking is the
number one
factor in
acquiring
Legionnaires
disease. A
study of 146
adults with
Legionnaires’
disease
indicated that
smoking
sharply
increased the
risk of
contracting
the disease.
As for
avoiding
exposure to
legionellae,
you have
several
options.
Some measures
cost nothing
and should be
implemented
out of good
sense.
Expensive
measures could
be a waste of
money for
healthy
nonsmoking
adults, who
are at low
risk of
contracting
Legionaires
disease. High-risk
individuals,
however,
should
consider
taking every
reasonable
precaution.
I was wondering the same thing.... This Section is for Food& Fitness Only Please....
Now don't be silly just for the hell of it. It is not a post about wiper fluid. Am I talking about, wiper fluids, brands, chemical compositions. Is it an essay on the chemistry and marketing of wiper fluid. No its a real good health issue and tip. So important Health Information that the Health Protection Agencies of many countries have issued advice. You may have known about it, you may not want the advice. But someone may benefit from it and as it is such a potentially serious event, that life can be saved, why come out with the stupid comment that it should not be in this forum. Dont be negative. Would it not have been better to be positive,like thank you for your post, I appreciate the advice.Encorage, dont discourage health advice. Prevention is better than cure, Health advice is to be valued however that message is driven home.It is the hight of stupidity to suggest such advice should not have been posted here.
If you and others dont wish for any advice from me, then that is your choice,and I respect that. It is not rocket science, when the forum comes on your screen, the author is listed to your left. When you see GBP, then dont enter, you dont like my advice, so dont read it.
Lifestyle changes and health prevention posts are there, and if people chose not to read my posts about, smoking, alcohol etc, then fine. But please dont enter those posts just to be destructive just for the hell of it.
Quote Originally Posted by Cyrax:
I was wondering the same thing.... This Section is for Food& Fitness Only Please....
Now don't be silly just for the hell of it. It is not a post about wiper fluid. Am I talking about, wiper fluids, brands, chemical compositions. Is it an essay on the chemistry and marketing of wiper fluid. No its a real good health issue and tip. So important Health Information that the Health Protection Agencies of many countries have issued advice. You may have known about it, you may not want the advice. But someone may benefit from it and as it is such a potentially serious event, that life can be saved, why come out with the stupid comment that it should not be in this forum. Dont be negative. Would it not have been better to be positive,like thank you for your post, I appreciate the advice.Encorage, dont discourage health advice. Prevention is better than cure, Health advice is to be valued however that message is driven home.It is the hight of stupidity to suggest such advice should not have been posted here.
If you and others dont wish for any advice from me, then that is your choice,and I respect that. It is not rocket science, when the forum comes on your screen, the author is listed to your left. When you see GBP, then dont enter, you dont like my advice, so dont read it.
Lifestyle changes and health prevention posts are there, and if people chose not to read my posts about, smoking, alcohol etc, then fine. But please dont enter those posts just to be destructive just for the hell of it.
The same applies to you. Don't like my posts then dont read them.
Let others read the posts without having to fall upon your negative comments.
A family doctor starts posting in a forum, and a bunch of clowns led by Ice Station Zebra, chose to be obstructive and negative is beyond belief.
I worked for many years as a Family Doctor on one of the most socially deprived council estate in the UK, an area with 70% unemployment, one of the highest crime rates in the UK, rife drug culture. Where I was respected and never ever had abuse from any of my patients, and I come on here to post, health tips and information and I receive such negativity and abuse is beyond belief and is so incredibly sad. Shame on you. If you for one minute left your bubble and sampled the area I worked and the things I have experienced , cot deaths, childhood cancers, deaths and illness , every suffering imaginable.Not to mention the time in hospital practice, the emergency rooms etc, the comforting of bereaved relatives, the telling of bad news to family members, can you ever, ever imagine. Get a life, not knock someone who is only trying to do good. You are putting the wrong person in the stocks.
Quote Originally Posted by The Hawk:
When did windshield wiper fluid become a food?
The same applies to you. Don't like my posts then dont read them.
Let others read the posts without having to fall upon your negative comments.
A family doctor starts posting in a forum, and a bunch of clowns led by Ice Station Zebra, chose to be obstructive and negative is beyond belief.
I worked for many years as a Family Doctor on one of the most socially deprived council estate in the UK, an area with 70% unemployment, one of the highest crime rates in the UK, rife drug culture. Where I was respected and never ever had abuse from any of my patients, and I come on here to post, health tips and information and I receive such negativity and abuse is beyond belief and is so incredibly sad. Shame on you. If you for one minute left your bubble and sampled the area I worked and the things I have experienced , cot deaths, childhood cancers, deaths and illness , every suffering imaginable.Not to mention the time in hospital practice, the emergency rooms etc, the comforting of bereaved relatives, the telling of bad news to family members, can you ever, ever imagine. Get a life, not knock someone who is only trying to do good. You are putting the wrong person in the stocks.
I am not putting the wrong person in the stocks. Observe
Food
Fitness
Windshield Wiper Fluid
Can you guess which one doesn't belong?
Usually, I CAN ignore your idiot posts. Alchohol is bad for me, really? Smoking? Salt? Be still my heart, I never knew of such things
Next thing you'll know, you'll be telling me that GROWNING OLDER is leading me one step closer to death!
Now, you can bitch all you want, but I was not THE ONLY PERSON wondering why windshield wiper fluid is in the Food and Fitness Forum.
You want to help us all, diktard? After you have been knighted by the F'in Queen of England, please post in the General Forum, so that you can help as many of us as possible. This will also help you get banned as soon as possible.
I don't know about you, grandpa, but one time I killed a shit-eating dog, thereby sparing your life. If you go around posting, "if you don't want to read this, don't look" you'll not be helping even more people........
In conclusion, I'd like to post about a pair of new shoes, I'll see you in the Music Forum, since it is my wish to become more like you.......
I am not putting the wrong person in the stocks. Observe
Food
Fitness
Windshield Wiper Fluid
Can you guess which one doesn't belong?
Usually, I CAN ignore your idiot posts. Alchohol is bad for me, really? Smoking? Salt? Be still my heart, I never knew of such things
Next thing you'll know, you'll be telling me that GROWNING OLDER is leading me one step closer to death!
Now, you can bitch all you want, but I was not THE ONLY PERSON wondering why windshield wiper fluid is in the Food and Fitness Forum.
You want to help us all, diktard? After you have been knighted by the F'in Queen of England, please post in the General Forum, so that you can help as many of us as possible. This will also help you get banned as soon as possible.
I don't know about you, grandpa, but one time I killed a shit-eating dog, thereby sparing your life. If you go around posting, "if you don't want to read this, don't look" you'll not be helping even more people........
In conclusion, I'd like to post about a pair of new shoes, I'll see you in the Music Forum, since it is my wish to become more like you.......
Fleet managers should ensure screenwash is put in wiper fluid after a survey showed those not using it are at higher risk of getting legionnaires’ disease.
The warning came after health experts discovered professional drivers were five times more likely to be infected with the potentially deadly bug – found in warm, stagnant water.
The research, carried out by the Health Protection Agency found traces of the legionella bacterium in one in five cars that did not have screenwash in their wiper water, but in no cars that did.
Motorists are now being urged to make sure they use the additive, which kills the bug.
It is feared that around 20% of disease cases could come from this type of exposure.
Article from Business Car Magazine
cut and pastedAdvice to Fleet Managers
Legionnaires' disease risk in wiper fluid
23 June, 2010
Fleet managers should ensure screenwash is put in wiper fluid after a survey showed those not using it are at higher risk of getting legionnaires’ disease.
The warning came after health experts discovered professional drivers were five times more likely to be infected with the potentially deadly bug – found in warm, stagnant water.
The research, carried out by the Health Protection Agency found traces of the legionella bacterium in one in five cars that did not have screenwash in their wiper water, but in no cars that did.
Motorists are now being urged to make sure they use the additive, which kills the bug.
It is feared that around 20% of disease cases could come from this type of exposure.
I am not putting the wrong person in the stocks. Observe
Food
Fitness
Windshield Wiper Fluid
Can you guess which one doesn't belong?
Usually, I CAN ignore your idiot posts. Alchohol is bad for me, really? Smoking? Salt? Be still my heart, I never knew of such things
Next thing you'll know, you'll be telling me that GROWNING OLDER is leading me one step closer to death!
Now, you can bitch all you want, but I was not THE ONLY PERSON wondering why windshield wiper fluid is in the Food and Fitness Forum.
You want to help us all, diktard? After you have been knighted by the F'in Queen of England, please post in the General Forum, so that you can help as many of us as possible. This will also help you get banned as soon as possible.
I don't know about you, grandpa, but one time I killed a shit-eating dog, thereby sparing your life. If you go around posting, "if you don't want to read this, don't look" you'll not be helping even more people........
In conclusion, I'd like to post about a pair of new shoes, I'll see you in the Music Forum, since it is my wish to become more like you.......
Quote Originally Posted by The Hawk:
I am not putting the wrong person in the stocks. Observe
Food
Fitness
Windshield Wiper Fluid
Can you guess which one doesn't belong?
Usually, I CAN ignore your idiot posts. Alchohol is bad for me, really? Smoking? Salt? Be still my heart, I never knew of such things
Next thing you'll know, you'll be telling me that GROWNING OLDER is leading me one step closer to death!
Now, you can bitch all you want, but I was not THE ONLY PERSON wondering why windshield wiper fluid is in the Food and Fitness Forum.
You want to help us all, diktard? After you have been knighted by the F'in Queen of England, please post in the General Forum, so that you can help as many of us as possible. This will also help you get banned as soon as possible.
I don't know about you, grandpa, but one time I killed a shit-eating dog, thereby sparing your life. If you go around posting, "if you don't want to read this, don't look" you'll not be helping even more people........
In conclusion, I'd like to post about a pair of new shoes, I'll see you in the Music Forum, since it is my wish to become more like you.......
I am not putting the wrong person in the stocks. Observe
Food
Fitness
Windshield Wiper Fluid
Can you guess which one doesn't belong?
Usually, I CAN ignore your idiot posts. Alchohol is bad for me, really? Smoking? Salt? Be still my heart, I never knew of such things
Next thing you'll know, you'll be telling me that GROWNING OLDER is leading me one step closer to death!
Now, you can bitch all you want, but I was not THE ONLY PERSON wondering why windshield wiper fluid is in the Food and Fitness Forum.
You want to help us all, diktard? After you have been knighted by the F'in Queen of England, please post in the General Forum, so that you can help as many of us as possible. This will also help you get banned as soon as possible.
I don't know about you, grandpa, but one time I killed a shit-eating dog, thereby sparing your life. If you go around posting, "if you don't want to read this, don't look" you'll not be helping even more people........
In conclusion, I'd like to post about a pair of new shoes, I'll see you in the Music Forum, since it is my wish to become more like you.......
Well Put Hawk
Quote Originally Posted by The Hawk:
I am not putting the wrong person in the stocks. Observe
Food
Fitness
Windshield Wiper Fluid
Can you guess which one doesn't belong?
Usually, I CAN ignore your idiot posts. Alchohol is bad for me, really? Smoking? Salt? Be still my heart, I never knew of such things
Next thing you'll know, you'll be telling me that GROWNING OLDER is leading me one step closer to death!
Now, you can bitch all you want, but I was not THE ONLY PERSON wondering why windshield wiper fluid is in the Food and Fitness Forum.
You want to help us all, diktard? After you have been knighted by the F'in Queen of England, please post in the General Forum, so that you can help as many of us as possible. This will also help you get banned as soon as possible.
I don't know about you, grandpa, but one time I killed a shit-eating dog, thereby sparing your life. If you go around posting, "if you don't want to read this, don't look" you'll not be helping even more people........
In conclusion, I'd like to post about a pair of new shoes, I'll see you in the Music Forum, since it is my wish to become more like you.......
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