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ozzwald

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Posted: Jan. 3, 2011 - 2:13 PM ET #26

Quote Originally Posted by helmstetter21:

where are your picks and breakdowns????

My picks and breakdowns are in the games discussion of every single game I've bet on this bowl season as well in a separate thread I've started dating back to last week (12-28-10).

I'm 14-3 on ATS & Totals plays -- 11-3 in bowl games, 2-0 in NFL & 1-0 in NBA. Every single play is documented - most with write-ups. I am up 50 units on the week. At one point last week I won 9 in a row posted plays.

I am not a 'square'.

HOGS +3.5 is my play, read my write-up in the college football section of this website if you like.

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cyalx

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Posted: Jan. 3, 2011 - 3:33 PM ET #27

Quote Originally Posted by PrimeTimeBoys:

Ohio St will destroy Arkansas!

wow for you too write this it amazes me this is another overated team like usually that can never play with the sec when is teh last time they beat an sec team there 0-8 or something crazy like that let em kepp betting that line up on osu i will jump on arkansas i will take the better qb fck the better team

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nbafan88

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Posted: Jan. 3, 2011 - 3:39 PM ET #28

Quote Originally Posted by cyalx:

wow for you too write this it amazes me this is another overated team like usually that can never play with the sec when is teh last time they beat an sec team there 0-8 or something crazy like that let em kepp betting that line up on osu i will jump on arkansas i will take the better qb fck the better team

You seriously need to use punctuation marks.

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The Hawk

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Posted: Jan. 3, 2011 - 3:52 PM ET #29

Anyone find it interesting that Nebraska is joining them?

I think you can add that bowl loss to a 6-6 Washington team, to the BigTen "Total"

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lsufasteddie

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Posted: Jan. 3, 2011 - 4:26 PM ET #30

Quote Originally Posted by thisguyiswise:

Conference USA and ACC own the SEC, but Ohio State stands no chance against the mighty SEC Razorbacks just like Penn State didnt last year vs the fast LSU tigers, how they won was beyond me. Heck even Auburn ran circles around the all white and slow Northwestern team who lost their kicker to injury and was forced to go for two in a 3 pt over time loss. Wisconsin was slow last year vs Miami and had no chance but they beat them into submission, but Miami plays in the acc so that doesnt count, or maybe it does since the ACC is 2-0 vs the sec in bowls this year, much like what Iowa did to another team from the south in Ga Tech with much faster athletes in the Orange bowl.

Central Florida beating down Georgia doesnt count either though because UCF is in the south and thus must be considered somewhat of an SEC school because they have speed.

See in the big 10 we dont get any players from the south, like denard robinson and Florida's speed was so much more than Penn States which is why Penn State was at the 20 yard line going to win the game with a minute left. Moye couldnt get past the speedy florida defenders for long catches on 4 seperate occasions and Devon Smith wasnt the fastest player on that field at wr for penn state because he plays in the big 10.

In fact, the fastest team with a stop watch in the big 10 would be michigan hands down with 15 players from sec country, yet we know how far that speed has gotten them the last few years.

The only chance the big 10 has to start finally beating these fast sec teams is playing bowl games in their own backyard for once. Much like the humidity works against the big 10, perhaps the snow/cold elements would work against the sec. Because its clear, despite the big ten's 8-7 bowl record against the sec coming into this year since 04, they stand no chance otherwise.

Arkansas 45-10, Ohio State is just too slow for them, its hard to imagine that so many big 10 players play so well in the nfl. The nfl is slow compared to the sec though, we must keep that in mind.

I don't understand your argument now. You said you don;t know how they won, but then you stated they were the better team. So they were the better team against LSU and won, and they are they beter team against UF and lost??

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Quote Originally Posted by thisguyiswise:

Conference USA and ACC own the SEC, but Ohio State stands no chance against the mighty SEC Razorbacks just like Penn State didnt last year vs the fast LSU tigers, how they won was beyond me. Heck even Auburn ran circles around the all white and slow Northwestern team who lost their kicker to injury and was forced to go for two in a 3 pt over time loss. Wisconsin was slow last year vs Miami and had no chance but they beat them into submission, but Miami plays in the acc so that doesnt count, or maybe it does since the ACC is 2-0 vs the sec in bowls this year, much like what Iowa did to another team from the south in Ga Tech with much faster athletes in the Orange bowl.

Central Florida beating down Georgia doesnt count either though because UCF is in the south and thus must be considered somewhat of an SEC school because they have speed.

See in the big 10 we dont get any players from the south, like denard robinson and Florida's speed was so much more than Penn States which is why Penn State was at the 20 yard line going to win the game with a minute left. Moye couldnt get past the speedy florida defenders for long catches on 4 seperate occasions and Devon Smith wasnt the fastest player on that field at wr for penn state because he plays in the big 10.

In fact, the fastest team with a stop watch in the big 10 would be michigan hands down with 15 players from sec country, yet we know how far that speed has gotten them the last few years.

The only chance the big 10 has to start finally beating these fast sec teams is playing bowl games in their own backyard for once. Much like the humidity works against the big 10, perhaps the snow/cold elements would work against the sec. Because its clear, despite the big ten's 8-7 bowl record against the sec coming into this year since 04, they stand no chance otherwise.

Arkansas 45-10, Ohio State is just too slow for them, its hard to imagine that so many big 10 players play so well in the nfl. The nfl is slow compared to the sec though, we must keep that in mind.

I don't understand your argument now. You said you don;t know how they won, but then you stated they were the better team. So they were the better team against LSU and won, and they are they beter team against UF and lost??

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Posted: Jan. 3, 2011 - 4:27 PM ET #31

Quote Originally Posted by thisguyiswise:

so they still arent faster in a cow pasture? if i raced usain bolt in the mud, should he still not beat me?

lame excuse, penn state was the better team last year, just like they were better or even against florida this year. I guess the other 8 big 10 bowl wins over the sec since 04 were all played in cow pastures. Nope, but they were virtual road games in the south.

Not if he keeps falling down.

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lsufasteddie

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Posted: Jan. 3, 2011 - 4:28 PM ET #32

Quote Originally Posted by thisguyiswise:

so they still arent faster in a cow pasture? if i raced usain bolt in the mud, should he still not beat me?

lame excuse, penn state was the better team last year, just like they were better or even against florida this year. I guess the other 8 big 10 bowl wins over the sec since 04 were all played in cow pastures. Nope, but they were virtual road games in the south.

Why can't you figure out how they won if you thought they were the better team.

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lsufasteddie

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Posted: Jan. 3, 2011 - 4:34 PM ET #33

Quote Originally Posted by thisguyiswise:

so they still arent faster in a cow pasture? if i raced usain bolt in the mud, should he still not beat me?

lame excuse, penn state was the better team last year, just like they were better or even against florida this year. I guess the other 8 big 10 bowl wins over the sec since 04 were all played in cow pastures. Nope, but they were virtual road games in the south.

Wasn't talking about any other game. Why are you bringing up other games?

The LSU/Penn game was played in horrendous field conditions. Huge chunks of turk came up almost on every step, but thats football. I gave credit to Penn St. for strapping their shoes on tighter and getting the win. But I don't think talent wise they were the better team. Opinion.

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lsufasteddie

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Posted: Jan. 3, 2011 - 4:36 PM ET #34

Quote Originally Posted by thisguyiswise:

mark ingram used to be slow, hes from an hour north of me in flint, mi, but once he got to bama he got fast and won a heisman trophy and national championship. otherwise, he would still be slow, stuck on a slow big 10 team with players littered from pahokee, florida, who got slow once they went north.

This is a stupid statement unless you are saying that Bama was able to utilize his talents and make him a better player. If thats the case what are you saying about Big 10 coaches/programs. They certainitly haven't made Pryor the QB he was touted as. He has gotten better but is a bust for all the hype that was put forward for this guy.

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more4us

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Posted: Jan. 3, 2011 - 4:38 PM ET #35

Good luck today...........................

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thisguyiswise

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Posted: Jan. 3, 2011 - 4:41 PM ET #36

Quote Originally Posted by lsufasteddie:

Why can't you figure out how they won if you thought they were the better team.

it was a joke, being sarcastic. penn state was better than lsu last year and the final score in the florida game this year was far from the story. lsu was better than ohio state a few years ago too. thats my point, its not the conferences its the teams that play each other. of course i feel the sec is better top to bottom, but its not like they dominate the big 10 in bowl games year in and year out. dominate ohio state, yes, but to call the big 10 slow is pathetic on any football man's part. it makes no sense.

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NewDarkDay

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Posted: Jan. 3, 2011 - 4:41 PM ET #37

Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Insight:

Good posts...thisguyiswise.

When the Big Ten loses, people say it is because they are slow, fat, weak, overrated, conservative, poorly coached, etc. But when the mighty SEC loses, people make excuse and say things like they weren't motivated or they just didn't care for this game (i.e., how could Alabama get up for Utah, etc) or there was poor officiating, bad weather, unique circumstances, etc.

When OSU lost to LSU it was basically a home game for LSU. I was at the game and about 80 percent of the crowd was LSU and OSU travelled well. No SEC fan will ever factor that into the game, but that might be a good excuse for the SEC people. If you lose, check out the location, maybe there is something there that can explain how a great team from the SEC lost. I watched that FSU/SC game and FSU kicked the fucking shit out of SC with their backup QB. Any logic there? I'll bet SC was not motivated enough.

The only teams that are really respected in the Big Ten this year are Iowa, OSU, and Wisconsin. They are 1-1 right now. No Big Ten fan or objective sportsfan respects Michigan, Northwestern with a second string QB, or quite honestly, Michigan State. So it was not a shock to me that they lost and not a shock that they got blown out.

SEC is just lucky they didnt have to deal with Illinois,Illinois could beat everyone in the SEC Illinois could even beat a all star squad from Sec

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Johnnynumbers

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Posted: Jan. 3, 2011 - 4:49 PM ET #38

Quote Originally Posted by nbafan88:

You seriously need to use punctuation marks.

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StraightShooter

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Posted: Jan. 3, 2011 - 5:42 PM ET #39

Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Insight:

Good posts...thisguyiswise.

When the Big Ten loses, people say it is because they are slow, fat, weak, overrated, conservative, poorly coached, etc. But when the mighty SEC loses, people make excuse and say things like they weren't motivated or they just didn't care for this game (i.e., how could Alabama get up for Utah, etc) or there was poor officiating, bad weather, unique circumstances, etc.

When OSU lost to LSU it was basically a home game for LSU. I was at the game and about 80 percent of the crowd was LSU and OSU travelled well. No SEC fan will ever factor that into the game, but that might be a good excuse for the SEC people. If you lose, check out the location, maybe there is something there that can explain how a great team from the SEC lost. I watched that FSU/SC game and FSU kicked the fucking shit out of SC with their backup QB. Any logic there? I'll bet SC was not motivated enough.

The only teams that are really respected in the Big Ten this year are Iowa, OSU, and Wisconsin. They are 1-1 right now. No Big Ten fan or objective sportsfan respects Michigan, Northwestern with a second string QB, or quite honestly, Michigan State. So it was not a shock to me that they lost and not a shock that they got blown out.

To say a team isn’t motivated to play a non-BCS team in a consolation bowl game after they were one quarter away from playing for a national championship is a legitimate argument.

What could be the reason Michigan State wasn’t motivated last Saturday? Or Michigan? How about Penn State?

Wait, wait, wait. Not only are you saying that 80% of the crowd in the 2007 BCS championship game were LSU fans, but you are actually using that as an excuse as to why Ohio State got their ass kicked? Seriously? What makes it even funnier is that fact that you are saying this right after you accuse SEC fans of making excuses for losses.

Yeah, FSU was without their starting QB for half the game. However, SCAR was without their best offensive player for the whole game so what’s your point?

So let me get this straight: it doesn’t matter if the big 10 got ass raped on Saturday because “the only teams that are really respected in the Big Ten this year are Iowa, OSU, and Wisconsin.”

Funny how you don’t apply that same logic to the SEC.

Clearly you hypocrisy knows no limits.