Wazzou will hang around for a half, but will wear down by the 4th quarter and succumb to greater speed/strength/athleticism and depth of players.45-23. A top Week 1 play for me, barring significant injuries/off-field situations occuring in August.
GW
The total released by BOL on the Wazzu/Auburn game is 49.
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Quote Originally Posted by gwjtf:
Wazzou will hang around for a half, but will wear down by the 4th quarter and succumb to greater speed/strength/athleticism and depth of players.45-23. A top Week 1 play for me, barring significant injuries/off-field situations occuring in August.
GW
The total released by BOL on the Wazzu/Auburn game is 49.
thanks everyone for posting on my thread so far...
I have gone full circle on Ok St. the line is down to Ok St -12, but I believe it opened at like -7 on 5 dimes if I am not mistake.
as a Texas homer and alumnus, I think Ok St is the best team in the conference. they return 8 and 7 starters from a 8-5 team. they beat purdue in the bowl game 58-14. they do lose randle, but Jeremy Smith has significant experience and has been waiting his turn. I also think that making the assumption that Reliant will use Turf as opposed to natural grass will be an advantage for the seed of Ok St. Ok St may not have a Dez Bryant or a Robert Blackmon, but they do return 6 of their top 7 WR's and their starting QB. Ok St will play a more aggressive this year. With Miss St loss at the skill positions on O and at LB and DB, I think Ok St plays well into Miss St. weaknesses.
People are calling Ok St a National Championship contender, while the Miss St fans are just hoping for a 6-6 record and a bowl.
Finally, Bookie mentioned Ok St' ATS record v Mullin. It appears does what he can to cover. Russell is a good qb, but I believe the timing of his throws will be suspect with a bunch of talented yet green WR's. If Miss St can't dominate the line of scrimmage and run the ball consistently, they will be in trouble. If Miss St. tries to get in a shootout with Ok St, they will not be able to keep up.
I will provide my final selections in about a week, but right now, I am leaning on Oklahoma State -12. I know I am going against Nos, and that scares me a bit, but I believe Ok St pulls out the win and covers....
I will appreciate your additional thoughts...
LonghornHoosier
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thanks everyone for posting on my thread so far...
I have gone full circle on Ok St. the line is down to Ok St -12, but I believe it opened at like -7 on 5 dimes if I am not mistake.
as a Texas homer and alumnus, I think Ok St is the best team in the conference. they return 8 and 7 starters from a 8-5 team. they beat purdue in the bowl game 58-14. they do lose randle, but Jeremy Smith has significant experience and has been waiting his turn. I also think that making the assumption that Reliant will use Turf as opposed to natural grass will be an advantage for the seed of Ok St. Ok St may not have a Dez Bryant or a Robert Blackmon, but they do return 6 of their top 7 WR's and their starting QB. Ok St will play a more aggressive this year. With Miss St loss at the skill positions on O and at LB and DB, I think Ok St plays well into Miss St. weaknesses.
People are calling Ok St a National Championship contender, while the Miss St fans are just hoping for a 6-6 record and a bowl.
Finally, Bookie mentioned Ok St' ATS record v Mullin. It appears does what he can to cover. Russell is a good qb, but I believe the timing of his throws will be suspect with a bunch of talented yet green WR's. If Miss St can't dominate the line of scrimmage and run the ball consistently, they will be in trouble. If Miss St. tries to get in a shootout with Ok St, they will not be able to keep up.
I will provide my final selections in about a week, but right now, I am leaning on Oklahoma State -12. I know I am going against Nos, and that scares me a bit, but I believe Ok St pulls out the win and covers....
Okie St with strong match-up and technical edges... *here's one more....
ASSuming Okie St is a 9-3 or so team this year...... Mullen : *vs very good teams (>.750) he is 1-19 SU / 5-15 ATS *vs lesser teams (>.750) he is 28-3 SU / 18-9 ATS
That turf angle a good one too....Cowboys are a turf team.(11/12)....Dawgs grass (11/12).... *errr....BUT....cowbells WILL be allowed.......
It is better to be feared - than to be loved.
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Okie St with strong match-up and technical edges... *here's one more....
ASSuming Okie St is a 9-3 or so team this year...... Mullen : *vs very good teams (>.750) he is 1-19 SU / 5-15 ATS *vs lesser teams (>.750) he is 28-3 SU / 18-9 ATS
That turf angle a good one too....Cowboys are a turf team.(11/12)....Dawgs grass (11/12).... *errr....BUT....cowbells WILL be allowed.......
Okie St with strong match-up and technical edges... *here's one more....
ASSuming Okie St is a 9-3 or so team this year...... Mullen : *vs very good teams (>.750) he is 1-19 SU / 5-15 ATS *vs lesser teams (>.750) he is 28-3 SU / 18-9 ATS
That turf angle a good one too....Cowboys are a turf team.(11/12)....Dawgs grass (11/12).... *errr....BUT....cowbells WILL be allowed.......
Thanks Bookie!
LonghornHoosier
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Quote Originally Posted by bookieassassin:
Okie St with strong match-up and technical edges... *here's one more....
ASSuming Okie St is a 9-3 or so team this year...... Mullen : *vs very good teams (>.750) he is 1-19 SU / 5-15 ATS *vs lesser teams (>.750) he is 28-3 SU / 18-9 ATS
That turf angle a good one too....Cowboys are a turf team.(11/12)....Dawgs grass (11/12).... *errr....BUT....cowbells WILL be allowed.......
Corley covers most of the thoughts we had on Miss St
not liking OSU skill players particularly QBs (34-16 TD-INT not that great LY in that offense) as much as some previous years ..2-4 straight up away from Stillwater LY with the one 6pt win over Kansas, which yes cost us some money and one blowout in the bowl against Purdue
GL this year buddy
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Corley covers most of the thoughts we had on Miss St
not liking OSU skill players particularly QBs (34-16 TD-INT not that great LY in that offense) as much as some previous years ..2-4 straight up away from Stillwater LY with the one 6pt win over Kansas, which yes cost us some money and one blowout in the bowl against Purdue
Ok State will score 38+ points, Miss St will be lucky to score 21. This game won't be close and way too many people are sleeping on the Cowboys who are a legit top 10 team this year.
Ok State skill players are exceptional, hell their backup qb was the Big 12 offensive rookie of the year. Josh Stewart is an absolute beast at WR and has fell right in line with all these amazing Ok State Cowboy receivers year after year (Rashaun Woods, Dez Bryant, Justin Blackmon etc) their rb is a bulldozer who will move the pile and score a ton of tds and they have a TE in Blake Jackson who is going to play on Sundays, he is physically a freak.
They return a ton of defense and are moving to a much more aggressive, attacking style. I expect their defense to take a big step up this year and finish in the top 3rd of the Big 12.
Pokes win this game 49-17, don't be suckered into taking the points whether 13, 14 or 17 because it won't be close!
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Ok State will score 38+ points, Miss St will be lucky to score 21. This game won't be close and way too many people are sleeping on the Cowboys who are a legit top 10 team this year.
Ok State skill players are exceptional, hell their backup qb was the Big 12 offensive rookie of the year. Josh Stewart is an absolute beast at WR and has fell right in line with all these amazing Ok State Cowboy receivers year after year (Rashaun Woods, Dez Bryant, Justin Blackmon etc) their rb is a bulldozer who will move the pile and score a ton of tds and they have a TE in Blake Jackson who is going to play on Sundays, he is physically a freak.
They return a ton of defense and are moving to a much more aggressive, attacking style. I expect their defense to take a big step up this year and finish in the top 3rd of the Big 12.
Pokes win this game 49-17, don't be suckered into taking the points whether 13, 14 or 17 because it won't be close!
I do think Miss St is better than some of the pundits expect, and the talent levels are pretty even. I just the Ok St system, skill position players, and motivation of the preseason Big XII team will be significantly better than the SEC West #6...
LonghornHoosier
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I do think Miss St is better than some of the pundits expect, and the talent levels are pretty even. I just the Ok St system, skill position players, and motivation of the preseason Big XII team will be significantly better than the SEC West #6...
Ok State will score 38+ points, Miss St will be lucky to score 21. This game won't be close and way too many people are sleeping on the Cowboys who are a legit top 10 team this year.
Ok State skill players are exceptional, hell their backup qb was the Big 12 offensive rookie of the year. Josh Stewart is an absolute beast at WR and has fell right in line with all these amazing Ok State Cowboy receivers year after year (Rashaun Woods, Dez Bryant, Justin Blackmon etc) their rb is a bulldozer who will move the pile and score a ton of tds and they have a TE in Blake Jackson who is going to play on Sundays, he is physically a freak.
They return a ton of defense and are moving to a much more aggressive, attacking style. I expect their defense to take a big step up this year and finish in the top 3rd of the Big 12.
Pokes win this game 49-17, don't be suckered into taking the points whether 13, 14 or 17 because it won't be close!
It won't be close. Ok State by 24+
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Quote Originally Posted by Tommy Gunnz:
Ok State will score 38+ points, Miss St will be lucky to score 21. This game won't be close and way too many people are sleeping on the Cowboys who are a legit top 10 team this year.
Ok State skill players are exceptional, hell their backup qb was the Big 12 offensive rookie of the year. Josh Stewart is an absolute beast at WR and has fell right in line with all these amazing Ok State Cowboy receivers year after year (Rashaun Woods, Dez Bryant, Justin Blackmon etc) their rb is a bulldozer who will move the pile and score a ton of tds and they have a TE in Blake Jackson who is going to play on Sundays, he is physically a freak.
They return a ton of defense and are moving to a much more aggressive, attacking style. I expect their defense to take a big step up this year and finish in the top 3rd of the Big 12.
Pokes win this game 49-17, don't be suckered into taking the points whether 13, 14 or 17 because it won't be close!
I do think Miss St is better than some of the pundits expect, and the talent levels are pretty even. I just the Ok St system, skill position players, and motivation of the preseason Big XII team will be significantly better than the SEC West #6...
You are VERY off here, the talent level is not close at all
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Quote Originally Posted by LonghornHoosier:
I do think Miss St is better than some of the pundits expect, and the talent levels are pretty even. I just the Ok St system, skill position players, and motivation of the preseason Big XII team will be significantly better than the SEC West #6...
You are VERY off here, the talent level is not close at all
You are VERY off here, the talent level is not close at all
so if I am indeed off, how am I off. are you advocating that Ok St has superior talent or the other way. I base my simplistic assessment based on Scout.com player ratings. if you go back to 2010's classes and compare these two, there is virtually no difference on the caliber of players on these two teams. of course that does indicate how many stick around, or how they develop and where, and what systems they use, once they get to their respective schools. it was simply a comparison of cumulative recruiting over the period 2010-2013 where probably 85% of each roster came into each program.
with regard to how I perceive them to be now from a team perspective, I am definitely on Ok St to cover -12 as of today. again, please clarify which team is more talented from your perspective, because it is unclear from your post...
LonghornHoosier
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Quote Originally Posted by Tommy Gunnz:
You are VERY off here, the talent level is not close at all
so if I am indeed off, how am I off. are you advocating that Ok St has superior talent or the other way. I base my simplistic assessment based on Scout.com player ratings. if you go back to 2010's classes and compare these two, there is virtually no difference on the caliber of players on these two teams. of course that does indicate how many stick around, or how they develop and where, and what systems they use, once they get to their respective schools. it was simply a comparison of cumulative recruiting over the period 2010-2013 where probably 85% of each roster came into each program.
with regard to how I perceive them to be now from a team perspective, I am definitely on Ok St to cover -12 as of today. again, please clarify which team is more talented from your perspective, because it is unclear from your post...
Oklahoma State has a MUCH higher talent level. I'm not basing it off this but also one is picked to win the Big 12 over the likes of Texas and Oklahoma and the other is a bottom tier SEC school.
Would people ever doubt the other big conferences preseason champion picks? (oregon, ohio state, florida state, alabama) Of course not, because Oklahoma State is not a "traditional power" like those mentioned and therefore people sleep on them even though they have been one of the best team in NCAA football for the past few years. Good news is that because of this I will be making A LOT of money on them all season until the oddsmakers finally get it right
Okie State has playmakers all over the field with a top 15 head coach and home field advantage (even if it isn't in Stillwater, this is basically an OSU home game). Like I said, this game isn't going to be close and Miss St won't be able to stay within 3 scores. Once they get behind they have absolutely no way to keep up or catch up with the OSU firepower
Quote Originally Posted by LonghornHoosier:
so if I am indeed off, how am I off. are you advocating that Ok St has superior talent or the other way. I base my simplistic assessment based on Scout.com player ratings. if you go back to 2010's classes and compare these two, there is virtually no difference on the caliber of players on these two teams. of course that does indicate how many stick around, or how they develop and where, and what systems they use, once they get to their respective schools. it was simply a comparison of cumulative recruiting over the period 2010-2013 where probably 85% of each roster came into each program.
with regard to how I perceive them to be now from a team perspective, I am definitely on Ok St to cover -12 as of today. again, please clarify which team is more talented from your perspective, because it is unclear from your post...
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Oklahoma State has a MUCH higher talent level. I'm not basing it off this but also one is picked to win the Big 12 over the likes of Texas and Oklahoma and the other is a bottom tier SEC school.
Would people ever doubt the other big conferences preseason champion picks? (oregon, ohio state, florida state, alabama) Of course not, because Oklahoma State is not a "traditional power" like those mentioned and therefore people sleep on them even though they have been one of the best team in NCAA football for the past few years. Good news is that because of this I will be making A LOT of money on them all season until the oddsmakers finally get it right
Okie State has playmakers all over the field with a top 15 head coach and home field advantage (even if it isn't in Stillwater, this is basically an OSU home game). Like I said, this game isn't going to be close and Miss St won't be able to stay within 3 scores. Once they get behind they have absolutely no way to keep up or catch up with the OSU firepower
Quote Originally Posted by LonghornHoosier:
so if I am indeed off, how am I off. are you advocating that Ok St has superior talent or the other way. I base my simplistic assessment based on Scout.com player ratings. if you go back to 2010's classes and compare these two, there is virtually no difference on the caliber of players on these two teams. of course that does indicate how many stick around, or how they develop and where, and what systems they use, once they get to their respective schools. it was simply a comparison of cumulative recruiting over the period 2010-2013 where probably 85% of each roster came into each program.
with regard to how I perceive them to be now from a team perspective, I am definitely on Ok St to cover -12 as of today. again, please clarify which team is more talented from your perspective, because it is unclear from your post...
We are in agreement on Ok St. But, I would caution you not to mix talent with system. Granted, Gundy recruits a certain type of player for system and Mullin does the same. Ok st has 15 returning starters to 12 for Miss St. And yes, Ok St returns many more skill position players than Miss St. There is no doubt Ok St is the better team prima facie going into this matchup. But, at least from a base recruiting perspective, both Miss St and Ok St St are comparable over the 2010-2013 time frame based on recruiting rankings. Just because Ok St is picked at the top of the Big XII does not guarantee it will beat anyone, much less cover a significant 12 point spread. You have to compare apples to apples in these matchups. Recruiting Rankings is merely one angle that I look at. For example, in the Bama v Va Tech matchup, Bama has about 47 4 Star recruits to 11 for Va Tech during the 2010-2013 time period. The 5 star recruits are about 11 to 1. The current spread in that game is 18.5, but based on the coaching at Bama and motivation and the fact that the game is on a neutral field, I think Bama will cover. Again, you have to use all reasonable angles. I was hoping when I did the recruiting comparison between Ok St v Miss St, that Ok St hadan overwhelming advantage in recruiting. This would have further confirmed my opinion, that Ok St. should win this game handily. But, with all the other factors, including the game played on a neutral site on Astro Turf (v Grass) which will be an advantage for Ok St, plus Ok St skill player advantage and Gundy's dislike of the SEC (thus may want to run up the score) combined with Ok St having two patsy's in UTSA and Lamar on deck (thus no lookaheads), I evaluated Ok St as a good bet to beat the 12 point spread. I encourage you, if you want to be successful in capping, to define your evaluation parameters, and do your research to confirm from many angles. And Never buy picks...GL
LonghornHoosier
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Quote Originally Posted by Tommy Gunnz:
Tommy
We are in agreement on Ok St. But, I would caution you not to mix talent with system. Granted, Gundy recruits a certain type of player for system and Mullin does the same. Ok st has 15 returning starters to 12 for Miss St. And yes, Ok St returns many more skill position players than Miss St. There is no doubt Ok St is the better team prima facie going into this matchup. But, at least from a base recruiting perspective, both Miss St and Ok St St are comparable over the 2010-2013 time frame based on recruiting rankings. Just because Ok St is picked at the top of the Big XII does not guarantee it will beat anyone, much less cover a significant 12 point spread. You have to compare apples to apples in these matchups. Recruiting Rankings is merely one angle that I look at. For example, in the Bama v Va Tech matchup, Bama has about 47 4 Star recruits to 11 for Va Tech during the 2010-2013 time period. The 5 star recruits are about 11 to 1. The current spread in that game is 18.5, but based on the coaching at Bama and motivation and the fact that the game is on a neutral field, I think Bama will cover. Again, you have to use all reasonable angles. I was hoping when I did the recruiting comparison between Ok St v Miss St, that Ok St hadan overwhelming advantage in recruiting. This would have further confirmed my opinion, that Ok St. should win this game handily. But, with all the other factors, including the game played on a neutral site on Astro Turf (v Grass) which will be an advantage for Ok St, plus Ok St skill player advantage and Gundy's dislike of the SEC (thus may want to run up the score) combined with Ok St having two patsy's in UTSA and Lamar on deck (thus no lookaheads), I evaluated Ok St as a good bet to beat the 12 point spread. I encourage you, if you want to be successful in capping, to define your evaluation parameters, and do your research to confirm from many angles. And Never buy picks...GL
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