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    Washington has NO DEFENSE..

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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2024 - 10:01 AM ET #26

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     They scored at will because thy didnt play against any real or elite defenses. WTF dont you understand??? Your not scoring at "WILL" against Michigan ansd that ELITE #! Ranked defense....

     

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     They scored at will because thy didnt play against any real or elite defenses. WTF dont you understand??? Your not scoring at "WILL" against Michigan ansd that ELITE #! Ranked defense....

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2024 - 11:08 AM ET #27

    Quote Originally Posted by magicmike45:

    @jimrockford22  Bro. Washington has NO DEFENSE. Look at your final scores all year and the points they have given up in each game.. And you really think thats gonna work against the beast in Michigan? Ill let you ramble.. Go ahead..LOL   Your defense is ranked 96 th in the country by ncaa.com...lol According to pro football focus, the answer is a loud no. On overall defense, Michigan is the #1 defense in the country. The best Washington has played is Texas (#15) and Oregon (#19). Now, Texas actually has a really solid interior defense and are comparable to Michigan in one way: Rush Defense. Their rush defense is ranked #5 in the country (Michigan is #4) and Texas's interior line is the reason they are a top 15 defense total. But to beat Washington, you need to get pressure on Penix and you need to be great in coverage. And that's what Michigan has... PFF grades Michigan's pass rush as the 4th best in the country and its coverage as the #1 unit in the country. Texas has the #16 ranked pass rush combined with the #63 ranked secondary. They handled the run and got some pressure, but they didn't separate receivers from the ball. Oregon has a great coverage scheme (#14 in the country) but a #45 ranked pass rush.
    you have no idea

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    @jimrockford22  Bro. Washington has NO DEFENSE. Look at your final scores all year and the points they have given up in each game.. And you really think thats gonna work against the beast in Michigan? Ill let you ramble.. Go ahead..LOL   Your defense is ranked 96 th in the country by ncaa.com...lol According to pro football focus, the answer is a loud no. On overall defense, Michigan is the #1 defense in the country. The best Washington has played is Texas (#15) and Oregon (#19). Now, Texas actually has a really solid interior defense and are comparable to Michigan in one way: Rush Defense. Their rush defense is ranked #5 in the country (Michigan is #4) and Texas's interior line is the reason they are a top 15 defense total. But to beat Washington, you need to get pressure on Penix and you need to be great in coverage. And that's what Michigan has... PFF grades Michigan's pass rush as the 4th best in the country and its coverage as the #1 unit in the country. Texas has the #16 ranked pass rush combined with the #63 ranked secondary. They handled the run and got some pressure, but they didn't separate receivers from the ball. Oregon has a great coverage scheme (#14 in the country) but a #45 ranked pass rush.
    you have no idea

     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2024 - 12:04 PM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by magicmike45:

    @jimrockford22  They scored at will because thy didnt play against any real or elite defenses. WTF dont you understand??? Your not scoring at "WILL" against Michigan ansd that ELITE #! Ranked defense....
    Michigan hasn't played any real offenses, hence their numbers. Washington isn't some slow, plodding Big-10 team. They have the best passing qb, elite WR's, a solid RB, & an excellent OL. It'll be pretty cool to watch #1 vs. #1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magicmike45:

    @jimrockford22  They scored at will because thy didnt play against any real or elite defenses. WTF dont you understand??? Your not scoring at "WILL" against Michigan ansd that ELITE #! Ranked defense....
    Michigan hasn't played any real offenses, hence their numbers. Washington isn't some slow, plodding Big-10 team. They have the best passing qb, elite WR's, a solid RB, & an excellent OL. It'll be pretty cool to watch #1 vs. #1.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2024 - 12:26 PM ET #29

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     Michigan is BUILT for this. You better listen up and watch!

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQow7EdXESY

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    @NONEED4LUCK

     Michigan is BUILT for this. You better listen up and watch!

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQow7EdXESY

     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2024 - 12:28 PM ET #30

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     Not so fast!! 

     

    Better watch and learn, understand. You been warned!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQow7EdXESY

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    @THEMUGG

     Not so fast!! 

     

    Better watch and learn, understand. You been warned!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQow7EdXESY

     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2024 - 1:07 PM ET #31

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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2024 - 1:43 PM ET #32

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     Very compelling stats.......Washington +4.5 & ML. peace_5

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     Very compelling stats.......Washington +4.5 & ML. peace_5

     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2024 - 6:02 PM ET #33

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     i absolutely love jj mcarthy over 190.5 passing yards. i dont see it staying under 200. even if they have success running the ball. or unless washington has a great defense that day and michigan cant move the ball. i looked up all the teams washington played. 85%  of the teams they played had over 200 yards passing

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     i absolutely love jj mcarthy over 190.5 passing yards. i dont see it staying under 200. even if they have success running the ball. or unless washington has a great defense that day and michigan cant move the ball. i looked up all the teams washington played. 85%  of the teams they played had over 200 yards passing

     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2024 - 9:38 PM ET #34

    I really find it fascinating that people are gonna talk about that 4 game stretch against weak opponents that michigan averaged 32 points.  

    educate yourself first and see how long JJ and starters actually played?   Wake up!   

    if you honestly think Washington defense is going to stop Michigan your just really a hater and not a handicapper.  

    I am not saying Washington isn’t legit bc I saw Penix when he was at Indiana and he was great then and yes he torched michigan!  
    I am scared of Washington as they are fantastic!  But if you wanna use stats from 4 games when JJ and starting offense sat out 4th quarter and in some cases even longer feel free!  Also remind yourself who is coaching michigan!  A man who never is worried about the blowout point total yard producing offenses but rather physical play in all facets of the game!   JJ has talent and so does this offense and if you wanna be morons be morons!

     

    I am just excited for a great matchup!   Enjoy!  

    read!!!

     

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    I really find it fascinating that people are gonna talk about that 4 game stretch against weak opponents that michigan averaged 32 points.  

    educate yourself first and see how long JJ and starters actually played?   Wake up!   

    if you honestly think Washington defense is going to stop Michigan your just really a hater and not a handicapper.  

    I am not saying Washington isn’t legit bc I saw Penix when he was at Indiana and he was great then and yes he torched michigan!  
    I am scared of Washington as they are fantastic!  But if you wanna use stats from 4 games when JJ and starting offense sat out 4th quarter and in some cases even longer feel free!  Also remind yourself who is coaching michigan!  A man who never is worried about the blowout point total yard producing offenses but rather physical play in all facets of the game!   JJ has talent and so does this offense and if you wanna be morons be morons!

     

    I am just excited for a great matchup!   Enjoy!  

    read!!!

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2024 - 9:42 PM ET #35

    I’d be more inclined to look at these two QB completion percentage!  Both really really good!  Both extremely efficient!   

    who has better running backs?  Who has better tight ends?  Who can control the line of scrimmage when it counts?  Who played two teams in Ohio state Alabama and let’s count a third in Penn state with high level ranked players all over the field and won!   Who played teams and dictates wheat they want even when things go wrong?   

     

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    I’d be more inclined to look at these two QB completion percentage!  Both really really good!  Both extremely efficient!   

    who has better running backs?  Who has better tight ends?  Who can control the line of scrimmage when it counts?  Who played two teams in Ohio state Alabama and let’s count a third in Penn state with high level ranked players all over the field and won!   Who played teams and dictates wheat they want even when things go wrong?   

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2024 - 9:44 PM ET #36

    Wolverines have 17 draftable players!  Hmmm

    minnesota coach said early in season it’s the best team he has seen since being in football!   

    Washington lovers be aware your walking into a buzz saw

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    Wolverines have 17 draftable players!  Hmmm

    minnesota coach said early in season it’s the best team he has seen since being in football!   

    Washington lovers be aware your walking into a buzz saw

     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2024 - 10:25 PM ET #37

    There's one thing Joel Klatt doesn't bring up and most likely doesn't know Sqkuatt about because hes not even close to a handicapper and the  one  dynamic in this matchup

     

    Washington is +8 in AOPR in their last 3-4 road games and favored by 0.2 over Michigan mathematically overall on the season. If you Michigan backers don't know what that is..you will find out Monday because the +4.5 points will come into play weather Michigan wins the game or not...mark it down peace_5

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    There's one thing Joel Klatt doesn't bring up and most likely doesn't know Sqkuatt about because hes not even close to a handicapper and the  one  dynamic in this matchup

     

    Washington is +8 in AOPR in their last 3-4 road games and favored by 0.2 over Michigan mathematically overall on the season. If you Michigan backers don't know what that is..you will find out Monday because the +4.5 points will come into play weather Michigan wins the game or not...mark it down peace_5

     
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    Posted: Jan. 4, 2024 - 10:52 PM ET #38

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     Please explain? 

    Also are you not at all worried about the depth and experience of and PFF rankings of Michigan players as a whole in this game? 

    do you think talent wins in the end?   

    I personally as a big ten guy always see us lose to more talented composite teams every freaking year and this year Michigan really has a lot of dudes compared to Washington.

    This seems more and more like the team that gets a turnovers or two wins.   

     

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     Please explain? 

    Also are you not at all worried about the depth and experience of and PFF rankings of Michigan players as a whole in this game? 

    do you think talent wins in the end?   

    I personally as a big ten guy always see us lose to more talented composite teams every freaking year and this year Michigan really has a lot of dudes compared to Washington.

    This seems more and more like the team that gets a turnovers or two wins.   

     

     
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    Neither Penn St, Ohio St or Alabama scored more ppg than Washington, or Oregon (who Wash beat twice) or USC or Arizona or Texas. Who Washington beat.

    Texas scored the same as Michigan this year. They scored a boatload in their conf final. They scored 45 per game in their last 3 despite Washington holding them to 31 - less than their average of 36 on the year.

    I'm still glad you posted because when I see a total blowhard posting stuff that they think makes a great case for their side and it actually doesn't even make any sense then I know we're in Jimmy Gape/buffer territory and it's a good fade.

    I was thinking of passing on the game because I leaned to Michigan but been wrong any time I faded the Huskies now I might just play on them. 

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    Neither Penn St, Ohio St or Alabama scored more ppg than Washington, or Oregon (who Wash beat twice) or USC or Arizona or Texas. Who Washington beat.

    Texas scored the same as Michigan this year. They scored a boatload in their conf final. They scored 45 per game in their last 3 despite Washington holding them to 31 - less than their average of 36 on the year.

    I'm still glad you posted because when I see a total blowhard posting stuff that they think makes a great case for their side and it actually doesn't even make any sense then I know we're in Jimmy Gape/buffer territory and it's a good fade.

    I was thinking of passing on the game because I leaned to Michigan but been wrong any time I faded the Huskies now I might just play on them. 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 5, 2024 - 7:53 AM ET #40

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     Michigan was very lucky to win against Alabama boy! Washington will cover and win SU. 

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     Michigan was very lucky to win against Alabama boy! Washington will cover and win SU. 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 5, 2024 - 4:32 PM ET #41

    Not sure Michigan has faced a passing offense like this all season, so stats only tell based on the teams they face. Washington has a vertical passing offense they will regularly take shots down the field and I dont see a team on their schedule all season who is remotely as aggressive passing as Washington is.

     

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    Not sure Michigan has faced a passing offense like this all season, so stats only tell based on the teams they face. Washington has a vertical passing offense they will regularly take shots down the field and I dont see a team on their schedule all season who is remotely as aggressive passing as Washington is.

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 5, 2024 - 4:50 PM ET #42

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     Penn states offense is awful 

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     Penn states offense is awful 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 5, 2024 - 5:52 PM ET #43

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     they just showed on big 10 network talking about game that washington allows 3rd down conversions 40%  of the time. that cant be good for anyone that likes washington 

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     they just showed on big 10 network talking about game that washington allows 3rd down conversions 40%  of the time. that cant be good for anyone that likes washington 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by NutinButtLove:

    Neither Penn St, Ohio St or Alabama scored more ppg than Washington, or Oregon (who Wash beat twice) or USC or Arizona or Texas. Who Washington beat. Texas scored the same as Michigan this year. They scored a boatload in their conf final. They scored 45 per game in their last 3 despite Washington holding them to 31 - less than their average of 36 on the year. I'm still glad you posted because when I see a total blowhard posting stuff that they think makes a great case for their side and it actually doesn't even make any sense then I know we're in Jimmy Gape/buffer territory and it's a good fade. I was thinking of passing on the game because I leaned to Michigan but been wrong any time I faded the Huskies now I might just play on them.

     

    Oklahoma State is basically a JUCO team. They were about 2/3rds the size of Texas. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by NutinButtLove:

    Neither Penn St, Ohio St or Alabama scored more ppg than Washington, or Oregon (who Wash beat twice) or USC or Arizona or Texas. Who Washington beat. Texas scored the same as Michigan this year. They scored a boatload in their conf final. They scored 45 per game in their last 3 despite Washington holding them to 31 - less than their average of 36 on the year. I'm still glad you posted because when I see a total blowhard posting stuff that they think makes a great case for their side and it actually doesn't even make any sense then I know we're in Jimmy Gape/buffer territory and it's a good fade. I was thinking of passing on the game because I leaned to Michigan but been wrong any time I faded the Huskies now I might just play on them.

     

    Oklahoma State is basically a JUCO team. They were about 2/3rds the size of Texas. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by phillies73:

    @magicmike45  they just showed on big 10 network talking about game that washington allows 3rd down conversions 40%  of the time. that cant be good for anyone that likes washington

     

     

    Washington allows a lot of 3rd Dn Conversions , and a lot of yards

    to opposing Offenses. What's important is that they do not allow

    more points than they can score themself. They've proved that in

    over consecutive 20 games so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phillies73:

    @magicmike45  they just showed on big 10 network talking about game that washington allows 3rd down conversions 40%  of the time. that cant be good for anyone that likes washington

     

     

    Washington allows a lot of 3rd Dn Conversions , and a lot of yards

    to opposing Offenses. What's important is that they do not allow

    more points than they can score themself. They've proved that in

    over consecutive 20 games so far.

    an_cheers

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by WISEGUY36:

    Quote Originally Posted by phillies73: @magicmike45  they just showed on big 10 network talking about game that washington allows 3rd down conversions 40%  of the time. that cant be good for anyone that likes washington     Washington allows a lot of 3rd Dn Conversions , and a lot of yards to opposing Offenses. What's important is that they do not allow more points than they can score themself. They've proved that in over consecutive 20 games so far.

     

    UW defense is/was a big issue.... it had seemingly underperformed its talent level in 2021, 2022 and early in 2023.

     

    It has improved very significantly as season has gone on... but we shall see

     

    to the other poster, how is beating Alabama (very sloppy game, and UM was "on life support" late), Ohio State and PSU (even you said "even PSU") better than beating Oregon twice and Texas...

    you look at power ratings but even "recent games rating", washington ranks way behind teams it has beaten 3 times (2 times recently).... i think the basic ratings link way too much to starting ratings and game margins... recent games would just use recent scores. the ratings it would use for opposition would link strongly to entire year. not enough data to use "recent games only" for all the calculation

    UW is 10-0 SU vs. ranked teams the last 2 seasons.. their problem was mediocre competition PAC-12 games in 2023... talk is Penix was sick and injured. it seems correct but who knows. the disappointing games were consecutive. and it was very very wet in their one disappointing O game vs ranked.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by WISEGUY36:

    Quote Originally Posted by phillies73: @magicmike45  they just showed on big 10 network talking about game that washington allows 3rd down conversions 40%  of the time. that cant be good for anyone that likes washington     Washington allows a lot of 3rd Dn Conversions , and a lot of yards to opposing Offenses. What's important is that they do not allow more points than they can score themself. They've proved that in over consecutive 20 games so far.

     

    UW defense is/was a big issue.... it had seemingly underperformed its talent level in 2021, 2022 and early in 2023.

     

    It has improved very significantly as season has gone on... but we shall see

     

    to the other poster, how is beating Alabama (very sloppy game, and UM was "on life support" late), Ohio State and PSU (even you said "even PSU") better than beating Oregon twice and Texas...

    you look at power ratings but even "recent games rating", washington ranks way behind teams it has beaten 3 times (2 times recently).... i think the basic ratings link way too much to starting ratings and game margins... recent games would just use recent scores. the ratings it would use for opposition would link strongly to entire year. not enough data to use "recent games only" for all the calculation

    UW is 10-0 SU vs. ranked teams the last 2 seasons.. their problem was mediocre competition PAC-12 games in 2023... talk is Penix was sick and injured. it seems correct but who knows. the disappointing games were consecutive. and it was very very wet in their one disappointing O game vs ranked.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by magicmike45:

    @jimrockford22  They scored at will because thy didnt play against any real or elite defenses. WTF dont you understand??? Your not scoring at "WILL" against Michigan ansd that ELITE #! Ranked defense....

     

    but UM has mostly stopped the worst P5 offenses in the country... UM hasn't scored at an impressive rate against any good teams

    you averaged 32 points vs. BG, UNLV, EC and Rutgers. that is not high powered

    exactly the same argument as yours against UW.

    UW scored tons and tons of points vs. Oregon twice and Texas.. they are considered top 7 defenses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magicmike45:

    @jimrockford22  They scored at will because thy didnt play against any real or elite defenses. WTF dont you understand??? Your not scoring at "WILL" against Michigan ansd that ELITE #! Ranked defense....

     

    but UM has mostly stopped the worst P5 offenses in the country... UM hasn't scored at an impressive rate against any good teams

    you averaged 32 points vs. BG, UNLV, EC and Rutgers. that is not high powered

    exactly the same argument as yours against UW.

    UW scored tons and tons of points vs. Oregon twice and Texas.. they are considered top 7 defenses.

     
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    Penix at Indiana beat UM/Harbaugh/"Cheaters" 38-21

     

    Penix scored 38 points vs. Michigan...... 3 years ago.. not 15 years ago........ playing for Indiana FFS.

     

    now, he has the best WR unit and arguably the best OLINE unit in the country.. the OL just won the top award for "best OL"

     

    Penix scored 38 points vs. Aiden Hutchinson

     

    please refute 

     

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    Penix at Indiana beat UM/Harbaugh/"Cheaters" 38-21

     

    Penix scored 38 points vs. Michigan...... 3 years ago.. not 15 years ago........ playing for Indiana FFS.

     

    now, he has the best WR unit and arguably the best OLINE unit in the country.. the OL just won the top award for "best OL"

     

    Penix scored 38 points vs. Aiden Hutchinson

     

    please refute 

     

     
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    55-17 UM?!?!

    for a team that ran the ball EVERY SINGLE PLAY IN THE 2ND HALF in a recent game.

    i respect opinions that UM will cover or cover easily but come on, 55 points?

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    55-17 UM?!?!

    for a team that ran the ball EVERY SINGLE PLAY IN THE 2ND HALF in a recent game.

    i respect opinions that UM will cover or cover easily but come on, 55 points?

     
     
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    MM , Thought I'd stop by and  new_poop in your thread for once  bigsmile

     

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    MM , Thought I'd stop by and  new_poop in your thread for once  bigsmile

     

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