I argue with what I know... It seems logical to me, and FYI the last time people were accusing me of doing this, it was the Florida game. I was using the same arguments, and the same methods, and I was dead on.
Please name some of those categories? Bama has the edge in total offense, total defense, points per game, yards gained, yards allowed. LSU is ranked 3rd, and 4th, and lower in every defensive statistic. And don't give me that better competition crap... The only other teams LSU played that are so much better than the teams Bama played are Oregon(and that was certainly no impressive win), and WV(and the put up 500 yards on LSU).
In hindsight it obviously didn't matter what analysis was given in the Florida game. Anyone that picked bama was going to look like a genius after Brantley went down
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Quote Originally Posted by Tappy:
I argue with what I know... It seems logical to me, and FYI the last time people were accusing me of doing this, it was the Florida game. I was using the same arguments, and the same methods, and I was dead on.
Please name some of those categories? Bama has the edge in total offense, total defense, points per game, yards gained, yards allowed. LSU is ranked 3rd, and 4th, and lower in every defensive statistic. And don't give me that better competition crap... The only other teams LSU played that are so much better than the teams Bama played are Oregon(and that was certainly no impressive win), and WV(and the put up 500 yards on LSU).
In hindsight it obviously didn't matter what analysis was given in the Florida game. Anyone that picked bama was going to look like a genius after Brantley went down
And as far as turnovers go... Alabama has a very fundamentally sound, disciplined team with Nick Saban. That shows in the fact that we are the second least penalized team in the nation, and among the best with fumbles lost. We are right up there in the turnovers lost category, but no where near LSU with turnovers gained, sacks, or fumbles forced. However, have a dominant offensive front, and getting back there to force these turnovers, is gonna be the most difficult task LSU has faced all season. This is a clear advantage with LSU, and if Bama can't stay focused, and be that sound, disciplined team they are coached to be, they will lose this game.
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And as far as turnovers go... Alabama has a very fundamentally sound, disciplined team with Nick Saban. That shows in the fact that we are the second least penalized team in the nation, and among the best with fumbles lost. We are right up there in the turnovers lost category, but no where near LSU with turnovers gained, sacks, or fumbles forced. However, have a dominant offensive front, and getting back there to force these turnovers, is gonna be the most difficult task LSU has faced all season. This is a clear advantage with LSU, and if Bama can't stay focused, and be that sound, disciplined team they are coached to be, they will lose this game.
In hindsight it obviously didn't matter what analysis was given in the Florida game. Anyone that picked bama was going to look like a genius after Brantley went down
OMG reallly? In case you didn't notice, Brantley was getting sacked, over and over again. We had constant pressure, the run game was shut down, we had that offense figured out, and it didn't matter which QB was in, they were gonna get shut down!
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Quote Originally Posted by jwheels86:
In hindsight it obviously didn't matter what analysis was given in the Florida game. Anyone that picked bama was going to look like a genius after Brantley went down
OMG reallly? In case you didn't notice, Brantley was getting sacked, over and over again. We had constant pressure, the run game was shut down, we had that offense figured out, and it didn't matter which QB was in, they were gonna get shut down!
What Alabama homer would not be spot on with their picks they are 8-0 against the spread. That is hilarious you would make that statement.
And btw...you proved my point exactly. I have made my point in your useless thread about the aforementioned stats and you did not respond to them because it doesn't fit your angle.
And lastly the reason you didn't manage your money wisely is because you bet 165 times by week 8. You were destined to lose all your money in one weekend betting that many games. So maybe you should go rewind those tapes some more and see what it tells you about how horrible of a capper you are.
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What Alabama homer would not be spot on with their picks they are 8-0 against the spread. That is hilarious you would make that statement.
And btw...you proved my point exactly. I have made my point in your useless thread about the aforementioned stats and you did not respond to them because it doesn't fit your angle.
And lastly the reason you didn't manage your money wisely is because you bet 165 times by week 8. You were destined to lose all your money in one weekend betting that many games. So maybe you should go rewind those tapes some more and see what it tells you about how horrible of a capper you are.
What Alabama homer would not be spot on with their picks they are 8-0 against the spread. That is hilarious you would make that statement. - Me picking them had nothing to do with their ATS record, and I certainly didn't bet them every week. The weeks I spent a lot of time with write ups, and analysis were the weekends I bet them, and was right. Not sure what kind of point you're trying to make...
And btw...you proved my point exactly. I have made my point in your useless thread about the aforementioned stats and you did not respond to them because it doesn't fit your angle. - Not true at all... I obviously missed any post you made regarding that, or I wouldn't have said what I just said dumbass. I guess it's hard to leave room for error with anyone, who you think is a raging homer, and could never be right about anything they say,
And lastly the reason you didn't manage your money wisely is because you bet 165 times by week 8. You were destined to lose all your money in one weekend betting that many games. So maybe you should go rewind those tapes some more and see what it tells you about how horrible of a capper you are. - Just because that formula doesn't work for you, doesn't mean it doesn't work for someone else. And once again, the reason I lost that week was because I put big money on the wrong teams. A lot of the major cappers in here put the same big money on some of those same big games. I still had a winning record, so so I guess I am not that bad after all.
You = fail boat...btw
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Quote Originally Posted by ryan8186:
What Alabama homer would not be spot on with their picks they are 8-0 against the spread. That is hilarious you would make that statement. - Me picking them had nothing to do with their ATS record, and I certainly didn't bet them every week. The weeks I spent a lot of time with write ups, and analysis were the weekends I bet them, and was right. Not sure what kind of point you're trying to make...
And btw...you proved my point exactly. I have made my point in your useless thread about the aforementioned stats and you did not respond to them because it doesn't fit your angle. - Not true at all... I obviously missed any post you made regarding that, or I wouldn't have said what I just said dumbass. I guess it's hard to leave room for error with anyone, who you think is a raging homer, and could never be right about anything they say,
And lastly the reason you didn't manage your money wisely is because you bet 165 times by week 8. You were destined to lose all your money in one weekend betting that many games. So maybe you should go rewind those tapes some more and see what it tells you about how horrible of a capper you are. - Just because that formula doesn't work for you, doesn't mean it doesn't work for someone else. And once again, the reason I lost that week was because I put big money on the wrong teams. A lot of the major cappers in here put the same big money on some of those same big games. I still had a winning record, so so I guess I am not that bad after all.
Hahaha..you are such a jabroni...who cares what your record is...if you are not winning money it is a moot point. You obviously don't get it and you never will. So continue to pay your bookie and I will continue to collect.
Nice come back with fail boat...really that is all you could think of!!
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Hahaha..you are such a jabroni...who cares what your record is...if you are not winning money it is a moot point. You obviously don't get it and you never will. So continue to pay your bookie and I will continue to collect.
Nice come back with fail boat...really that is all you could think of!!
OMG reallly? In case you didn't notice, Brantley was getting sacked, over and over again. We had constant pressure, the run game was shut down, we had that offense figured out, and it didn't matter which QB was in, they were gonna get shut down!
They didn't figure out anything, UF was moving the ball once again right before he got hurt. Bama has trouble defending the pass happy teams, which is why UF went into the game winging it.
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Quote Originally Posted by Tappy:
OMG reallly? In case you didn't notice, Brantley was getting sacked, over and over again. We had constant pressure, the run game was shut down, we had that offense figured out, and it didn't matter which QB was in, they were gonna get shut down!
They didn't figure out anything, UF was moving the ball once again right before he got hurt. Bama has trouble defending the pass happy teams, which is why UF went into the game winging it.
Well, just because we haven't had to replace any major players this season, doesn't mean we can't. Phill Simms is a valid replacement for AJ, Eddie Lacie is a valid replacement for Trent, and Courtney Upshaw missed two games this season, and we did fine backing him up. Bama is just as deep as LSU, and might be deeper overall as a team.
The same can be said for LSU.... Who have they played other than Oregon, and WV? Both those teams racked up tons of yards on LSU. 500 from WV which is a fucking joke.
You are just being a homer now. Alabama has not played any offense the likes of WVU or Oregon. Both have experienced QBs and multiple playmakers who can run. Arkansas has a freshman QB and a whole team that struggles mightily on the road, no matter who they play. Not to mention LSU played those teams away from Baton Rouge, on prime time national TV, while both teams were still riding high and undefeated.
Alabama stats compared to LSU's are very inflated due to schedule. That is a fact that needs attention to anyone relying on them to bet this game.
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Quote Originally Posted by Tappy:
Well, just because we haven't had to replace any major players this season, doesn't mean we can't. Phill Simms is a valid replacement for AJ, Eddie Lacie is a valid replacement for Trent, and Courtney Upshaw missed two games this season, and we did fine backing him up. Bama is just as deep as LSU, and might be deeper overall as a team.
The same can be said for LSU.... Who have they played other than Oregon, and WV? Both those teams racked up tons of yards on LSU. 500 from WV which is a fucking joke.
You are just being a homer now. Alabama has not played any offense the likes of WVU or Oregon. Both have experienced QBs and multiple playmakers who can run. Arkansas has a freshman QB and a whole team that struggles mightily on the road, no matter who they play. Not to mention LSU played those teams away from Baton Rouge, on prime time national TV, while both teams were still riding high and undefeated.
Alabama stats compared to LSU's are very inflated due to schedule. That is a fact that needs attention to anyone relying on them to bet this game.
I also don't think Alabama can just rely on defense and steamrolling with Richardson and Lacie to win. Against their weak schedule, thats been their formula. That will have to change Saturday. LSU's speed on defense won't allow Bama to just steamroll down the field.
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I also don't think Alabama can just rely on defense and steamrolling with Richardson and Lacie to win. Against their weak schedule, thats been their formula. That will have to change Saturday. LSU's speed on defense won't allow Bama to just steamroll down the field.
Since this thread is unbiased, I'll post saome games notes I ran across. Just some unbaised stats from two LSU broadcasters.
Some interesting stats from Hanagriff and Ponamsky last night...
21% of Richardson's yards were from 3 carries against North Texas and Ole Miss. Ranked 108 and 110 in total D.
To their credit Bama has had sever long runs this year, and LSU has not, even against weaker defenses. I think thats basically the difference between the two offenses.
Bama has 322 more total rushing yards than LSU. Bama has 366 rushing yards from 6 carries against Kent State, North Texas, and Ole Miss.
Passing game is about a wash, they have more yards from more attempts, and we are more efficient. I'd actually give the edge to us, as we have the best WR.
I think there are two basic trains of thought...dont show tendency, which is what saban does, as he has a much closer Run/pass ration. And then the other is to show tendency, and then break it, which i think miles likes.
I think that's why Miles is so good with time off, because game plans can get so much more fine tuned. I heard saban say about Tenn in the first half that they did a lot of stuff they havent shown, then they adjusted. I'd like to see us come out with a 1st half game plan that we think can score points. If we can go into the half with a lead, then mix it up in the second half.
Saban is so robotic, Miles' style must drive him nuts. You know he wants to get his advantage in the film room and preparation, but with Miles, there has to be so much second guessing. And you basically have to take the approach to gameplan what you are seeing.
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Since this thread is unbiased, I'll post saome games notes I ran across. Just some unbaised stats from two LSU broadcasters.
Some interesting stats from Hanagriff and Ponamsky last night...
21% of Richardson's yards were from 3 carries against North Texas and Ole Miss. Ranked 108 and 110 in total D.
To their credit Bama has had sever long runs this year, and LSU has not, even against weaker defenses. I think thats basically the difference between the two offenses.
Bama has 322 more total rushing yards than LSU. Bama has 366 rushing yards from 6 carries against Kent State, North Texas, and Ole Miss.
Passing game is about a wash, they have more yards from more attempts, and we are more efficient. I'd actually give the edge to us, as we have the best WR.
I think there are two basic trains of thought...dont show tendency, which is what saban does, as he has a much closer Run/pass ration. And then the other is to show tendency, and then break it, which i think miles likes.
I think that's why Miles is so good with time off, because game plans can get so much more fine tuned. I heard saban say about Tenn in the first half that they did a lot of stuff they havent shown, then they adjusted. I'd like to see us come out with a 1st half game plan that we think can score points. If we can go into the half with a lead, then mix it up in the second half.
Saban is so robotic, Miles' style must drive him nuts. You know he wants to get his advantage in the film room and preparation, but with Miles, there has to be so much second guessing. And you basically have to take the approach to gameplan what you are seeing.
You forgot HFA .....dont think thats a minor detail.
Bama wins 17-16
Actually this is the 11th time in the last 30 years that a regular season SEC game has featured 2 top 5 teams.In the previous 10 games the home team is 4-6.
You forgot HFA .....dont think thats a minor detail.
Bama wins 17-16
Actually this is the 11th time in the last 30 years that a regular season SEC game has featured 2 top 5 teams.In the previous 10 games the home team is 4-6.
Good stuff Tappy, you did as good a job of keeping it fair as could be expected from a 'Bama guy.
A few observations;
QB - LSU has the edge in this category.
Maybe so but the advantage is not as great as some would lead you to believe.McCarron is pretty much a strictly play action QB, he relies on Richardson/Lacy and throws far fewer first and second down passes than the LSU QBs who are in a more pass friendly offense.This diminishes McCarrons stats a bit in my opinion.
RB - Large Edge Alabama here...
Again the advantage is not as great as what one might think. 'Bama will not be able to run through this D-line like they are used to doing and LSU with Ware and Ford running behind their O-line will be better than anything that 'Bama has faced thus far.
Special teams - Huge edge LSU...
I agree, and catching 4 1/2 - 5 points in a low scoring game when you have a huge advantage in special teams is like in the bank.
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Good stuff Tappy, you did as good a job of keeping it fair as could be expected from a 'Bama guy.
A few observations;
QB - LSU has the edge in this category.
Maybe so but the advantage is not as great as some would lead you to believe.McCarron is pretty much a strictly play action QB, he relies on Richardson/Lacy and throws far fewer first and second down passes than the LSU QBs who are in a more pass friendly offense.This diminishes McCarrons stats a bit in my opinion.
RB - Large Edge Alabama here...
Again the advantage is not as great as what one might think. 'Bama will not be able to run through this D-line like they are used to doing and LSU with Ware and Ford running behind their O-line will be better than anything that 'Bama has faced thus far.
Special teams - Huge edge LSU...
I agree, and catching 4 1/2 - 5 points in a low scoring game when you have a huge advantage in special teams is like in the bank.
Since this thread is unbiased, I'll post saome games notes I ran across. Just some unbaised stats from two LSU broadcasters.
Some interesting stats from Hanagriff and Ponamsky last night...
21% of Richardson's yards were from 3 carries against North Texas and Ole Miss. Ranked 108 and 110 in total D.
To their credit Bama has had sever long runs this year, and LSU has not, even against weaker defenses. I think thats basically the difference between the two offenses.
Bama has 322 more total rushing yards than LSU. Bama has 366 rushing yards from 6 carries against Kent State, North Texas, and Ole Miss.
Passing game is about a wash, they have more yards from more attempts, and we are more efficient. I'd actually give the edge to us, as we have the best WR.
I think there are two basic trains of thought...dont show tendency, which is what saban does, as he has a much closer Run/pass ration. And then the other is to show tendency, and then break it, which i think miles likes.
I think that's why Miles is so good with time off, because game plans can get so much more fine tuned. I heard saban say about Tenn in the first half that they did a lot of stuff they havent shown, then they adjusted. I'd like to see us come out with a 1st half game plan that we think can score points. If we can go into the half with a lead, then mix it up in the second half.
Saban is so robotic, Miles' style must drive him nuts. You know he wants to get his advantage in the film room and preparation, but with Miles, there has to be so much second guessing. And you basically have to take the approach to gameplan what you are seeing.
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Quote Originally Posted by lsufasteddie:
Since this thread is unbiased, I'll post saome games notes I ran across. Just some unbaised stats from two LSU broadcasters.
Some interesting stats from Hanagriff and Ponamsky last night...
21% of Richardson's yards were from 3 carries against North Texas and Ole Miss. Ranked 108 and 110 in total D.
To their credit Bama has had sever long runs this year, and LSU has not, even against weaker defenses. I think thats basically the difference between the two offenses.
Bama has 322 more total rushing yards than LSU. Bama has 366 rushing yards from 6 carries against Kent State, North Texas, and Ole Miss.
Passing game is about a wash, they have more yards from more attempts, and we are more efficient. I'd actually give the edge to us, as we have the best WR.
I think there are two basic trains of thought...dont show tendency, which is what saban does, as he has a much closer Run/pass ration. And then the other is to show tendency, and then break it, which i think miles likes.
I think that's why Miles is so good with time off, because game plans can get so much more fine tuned. I heard saban say about Tenn in the first half that they did a lot of stuff they havent shown, then they adjusted. I'd like to see us come out with a 1st half game plan that we think can score points. If we can go into the half with a lead, then mix it up in the second half.
Saban is so robotic, Miles' style must drive him nuts. You know he wants to get his advantage in the film room and preparation, but with Miles, there has to be so much second guessing. And you basically have to take the approach to gameplan what you are seeing.
I didnt read the entire thread but I agree with you that nobody scores more than 17 against Bama's D. However, I think LSU's D will score more than once and win the game by 6.
Good luck to you though
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I didnt read the entire thread but I agree with you that nobody scores more than 17 against Bama's D. However, I think LSU's D will score more than once and win the game by 6.
You are just being a homer now. Alabama has not played any offense the likes of WVU or Oregon. Both have experienced QBs and multiple playmakers who can run. Arkansas has a freshman QB and a whole team that struggles mightily on the road, no matter who they play. Not to mention LSU played those teams away from Baton Rouge, on prime time national TV, while both teams were still riding high and undefeated. - Ok... I agree with you on that. LSU has the advantage as far as strength of schedule goes, and who they have played. There is no denying, however though, that Arkansas has some serious weapons on offense, and is a very capable passing team. They have shown that week in, and week out, despite their struggles. I also still say there is no excuse for WV putting up 500 yards on them. No way they do that to Bama in the same situation, sorry.
Alabama stats compared to LSU's are very inflated due to schedule. That is a fact that needs attention to anyone relying on them to bet this game. - I would say the same thing, and I am not betting this game. I just have an idea of how I think things will go based on stats, and what I have seen week in, and week out with these two teams.
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Quote Originally Posted by Aalon:
You are just being a homer now. Alabama has not played any offense the likes of WVU or Oregon. Both have experienced QBs and multiple playmakers who can run. Arkansas has a freshman QB and a whole team that struggles mightily on the road, no matter who they play. Not to mention LSU played those teams away from Baton Rouge, on prime time national TV, while both teams were still riding high and undefeated. - Ok... I agree with you on that. LSU has the advantage as far as strength of schedule goes, and who they have played. There is no denying, however though, that Arkansas has some serious weapons on offense, and is a very capable passing team. They have shown that week in, and week out, despite their struggles. I also still say there is no excuse for WV putting up 500 yards on them. No way they do that to Bama in the same situation, sorry.
Alabama stats compared to LSU's are very inflated due to schedule. That is a fact that needs attention to anyone relying on them to bet this game. - I would say the same thing, and I am not betting this game. I just have an idea of how I think things will go based on stats, and what I have seen week in, and week out with these two teams.
I also don't think Alabama can just rely on defense and steamrolling with Richardson and Lacie to win. Against their weak schedule, thats been their formula. That will have to change Saturday. LSU's speed on defense won't allow Bama to just steamroll down the field.
I agree with you totally... I think that Trent will have an amazing game, and so with Eddie, but they are gonna have issues at times, as I stated. I feel like LSU is gonna put 7 or 8 in the box, and we will not have an answer for that. At that point in time, it comes down to how well AJ handles man coverage.
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Quote Originally Posted by Aalon:
I also don't think Alabama can just rely on defense and steamrolling with Richardson and Lacie to win. Against their weak schedule, thats been their formula. That will have to change Saturday. LSU's speed on defense won't allow Bama to just steamroll down the field.
I agree with you totally... I think that Trent will have an amazing game, and so with Eddie, but they are gonna have issues at times, as I stated. I feel like LSU is gonna put 7 or 8 in the box, and we will not have an answer for that. At that point in time, it comes down to how well AJ handles man coverage.
Since this thread is unbiased, I'll post saome games notes I ran across. Just some unbaised stats from two LSU broadcasters.
Some interesting stats from Hanagriff and Ponamsky last night...
21% of Richardson's yards were from 3 carries against North Texas and Ole Miss. Ranked 108 and 110 in total D. - And LSU's players don't have inflated stats against weaker teams? I know a lot of the "Ganja Badgers" big takeaways came from weak ass SEC teams. Not sure what your point is here...
To their credit Bama has had sever long runs this year, and LSU has not, even against weaker defenses. I think thats basically the difference between the two offenses. - I think LSU's has a better ability to throw the long ball, which is the mirror opposite of Bama.
Bama has 322 more total rushing yards than LSU. Bama has 366 rushing yards from 6 carries against Kent State, North Texas, and Ole Miss. - Refer to first statement... Still not sure. You'll find that the Heisman voters, when talking about Trent, they are talking about his contribution to the team in other games he played, where he trucked about 5 players at once, or got a shit ton of TD's, or juked a guy out of his pants. Those are the kinds of thins you need to look at when talking about Trent.
Passing game is about a wash, they have more yards from more attempts, and we are more efficient. I'd actually give the edge to us, as we have the best WR. - Agreed
I think there are two basic trains of thought...dont show tendency, which is what saban does, as he has a much closer Run/pass ration. And then the other is to show tendency, and then break it, which i think miles likes. - True, but each coach plays to his own strength. They are both very obvious, and each coach understands the other. Just because one is unpredictable, doesn't necessarily give him the advantage.
I think that's why Miles is so good with time off, because game plans can get so much more fine tuned. I heard saban say about Tenn in the first half that they did a lot of stuff they havent shown, then they adjusted. I'd like to see us come out with a 1st half game plan that we think can score points. If we can go into the half with a lead, then mix it up in the second half. - I am sure Miles will have an excellent game plan with these two weeks he has to work with. He is a great coach.
Saban is so robotic, Miles' style must drive him nuts. You know he wants to get his advantage in the film room and preparation, but with Miles, there has to be so much second guessing. And you basically have to take the approach to gameplan what you are seeing. - Saban vs Miles 2-2.... Home field advantage... Two weeks to prepare... I like it!
Thanks for the chat, and best of luck to you sir!
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Quote Originally Posted by lsufasteddie:
Since this thread is unbiased, I'll post saome games notes I ran across. Just some unbaised stats from two LSU broadcasters.
Some interesting stats from Hanagriff and Ponamsky last night...
21% of Richardson's yards were from 3 carries against North Texas and Ole Miss. Ranked 108 and 110 in total D. - And LSU's players don't have inflated stats against weaker teams? I know a lot of the "Ganja Badgers" big takeaways came from weak ass SEC teams. Not sure what your point is here...
To their credit Bama has had sever long runs this year, and LSU has not, even against weaker defenses. I think thats basically the difference between the two offenses. - I think LSU's has a better ability to throw the long ball, which is the mirror opposite of Bama.
Bama has 322 more total rushing yards than LSU. Bama has 366 rushing yards from 6 carries against Kent State, North Texas, and Ole Miss. - Refer to first statement... Still not sure. You'll find that the Heisman voters, when talking about Trent, they are talking about his contribution to the team in other games he played, where he trucked about 5 players at once, or got a shit ton of TD's, or juked a guy out of his pants. Those are the kinds of thins you need to look at when talking about Trent.
Passing game is about a wash, they have more yards from more attempts, and we are more efficient. I'd actually give the edge to us, as we have the best WR. - Agreed
I think there are two basic trains of thought...dont show tendency, which is what saban does, as he has a much closer Run/pass ration. And then the other is to show tendency, and then break it, which i think miles likes. - True, but each coach plays to his own strength. They are both very obvious, and each coach understands the other. Just because one is unpredictable, doesn't necessarily give him the advantage.
I think that's why Miles is so good with time off, because game plans can get so much more fine tuned. I heard saban say about Tenn in the first half that they did a lot of stuff they havent shown, then they adjusted. I'd like to see us come out with a 1st half game plan that we think can score points. If we can go into the half with a lead, then mix it up in the second half. - I am sure Miles will have an excellent game plan with these two weeks he has to work with. He is a great coach.
Saban is so robotic, Miles' style must drive him nuts. You know he wants to get his advantage in the film room and preparation, but with Miles, there has to be so much second guessing. And you basically have to take the approach to gameplan what you are seeing. - Saban vs Miles 2-2.... Home field advantage... Two weeks to prepare... I like it!
in the bank. 
If thats the weirdest thing you ever encountered, i feel sorry for you...
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