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question just posed on college football live who would win this game on a neutral field.  kelly just came out in the media and said pike will play against louisville next week so lets assume that injury is a non-factor....who would win?

IMO this isnt a question Cincinnati would run past Iowa on a neutral field.....Iowa could not cover Gilyard with a double team or any coverage they just don't face the speed that the Cats have in that conference with its own network.  Neutral field decent weather Bearcats 42 Iowa 21
 
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I think it would be alot closer than you think.
No way Cinn wins by 3 tds
 
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unless iowa put the ball in the end zone they wouldnt stand a chance
 
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I agree with Zoot, you are dead wrong.  Cinci is one of the MOST OVERRATED in the entire country.  They have played nobody.  South Florida??  WOW!!  The Big East is so pathetic, that you can't measure how good those Big East teams are.  If Pike is out, Cinci is hurting big time.  They would get massacred by a real top 10 team that is for sure!  I think Iowa wins a close game
 
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I think your location says it all
 
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Quote Originally Posted by jkat15:

unless iowa put the ball in the end zone they wouldnt stand a chance


oh really? is that the object. i had no diea

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Zoot:


oh really? is that the object. i had no diea


I mean Iowa wins games games in the teen's they dont put up the points like Cincy can in the end zone

and wood your biased against the Big East is well known on these boards yes I am from Cincy but the big east is equal to the big ten this year and Cincy has wayyy too much speed on the outside for Iowa
wood if you see a FCS team take cincy to the wire please let me know.....if you see a sun belt team come within 3 of cincy please let me know
cincy just beat the #20 team in the country by 17 with a backup QB on the road how much more evidence do you need
 
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Cincy is better than Iowa, not by alot though because Iowa is also a solid team and well coached, I would give the QB edge and the coaching edge to Cincy though, Cincy 24-16 over the Hawkeyes on a neutral field, a good game
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Agree with Wahoo.  That game would be close.  I'm not convinced Iowa is the best team in the Big Ten....
 
On a neutral field, hypothetically, how much would Cincy be favored over Penn St or Ohio St??  Anything over 4, I would be all over on the Big Ten teams. 
 
I'm sure I will get blasted with the aforementioned statement, but Cincy is like Boise to me.  Keep winning so that I can fade the hell out of you when you finally play someone legit.
 
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Ok I agree insight that some big ten teams with outside speed may give the cats a very good game.....the boise fade comment kinda confuses me what legit team did boise lose to that you faded them on? Boise-UGA? Thats the only big game that they didn't cover/win SU that I can remember...TCU last year they lost but covered anyways Cincy has beaten Oregon State out west which is a solid win against someone "legit" I'm just not sure what else the Bearcats could have done in their first 6 games to be hated on
 
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jkat.... Cincy has really looked good

But, Ask yourself this. How would they do vs lets say a Florida team..Alabama,Texas, and USC. Teams of that Caliber. Cincy is a good team...FAR FROM A GREAT TEAM.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by jkat15:

Ok I agree insight that some big ten teams with outside speed may give the cats a very good game.....the boise fade comment kinda confuses me what legit team did boise lose to that you faded them on? Boise-UGA? Thats the only big game that they didn't cover/win SU that I can remember...TCU last year they lost but covered anyways Cincy has beaten Oregon State out west which is a solid win against someone "legit" I'm just not sure what else the Bearcats could have done in their first 6 games to be hated on

not sure about this year's Boise team as compared to the past teams that beat Oklahoma, etc

Cincy is a good team though, they dominated at Rutgers, at South Florida and at Oregon St and I honestly don't think 1 Big10 team could win at all 3 places by double digits, Cincy has a great coach and a solid QB, as a school they aren't ready to beat a team like Bama or USC yet, but they are the best team in Ohio this year and I would take them SU on a neutral field against Big 10 teams for the most part

they are deserving of their current ranking IMO

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Quote Originally Posted by Boom_Boom:

jkat.... Cincy has really looked good

But, Ask yourself this. How would they do vs lets say a Florida team..Alabama,Texas, and USC. Teams of that Caliber. Cincy is a good team...FAR FROM A GREAT TEAM.

 

not sure i see the point of this question since the same could be asked of Iowa, or just about any other supposed other team with BCS aspirations.  There are few teams who can hang consistently with the tide, gators, trojans (even keeping in mind the loss to WAS) right now.  I'm not even sure the Horns should be considered as part of that elite..but thats a discussion/arguement for another day. 

To the original point of the thread...the Cats are very worthy of their ranking.  Kelly is a terrific coach, with the right personal to fit his offensive schemes.  Pike isnt really a Heisman candidate, and talk about him as such is a big reach, but he's a solid QB with a great grasp of what they are doing.  Gil is a big play threat and the quick strike mindset places alot of stress on any defence.  Make a mistake, blow a coverage, and its 6.  Add to that the Cats defense doesnt get nearly enough credit, they are fast, athletic and physical when required.  Iowa on a neutral field would keep it close, but i cant see their offense getting it done for a win. 

Cinn by 6-10 pts most likely outcome

 

 

 
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I would have to research it further; but I don't recall Hawkeyes losing big against anybody in recent history??? seriously, they just do not get blown out often... Nobody is bigger CINN fan than I am; I have posted write ups on them and played them; even against those "guaranteed home dogs on national tv guys". I think it's be a good game but surprised if over single digit either way
 
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Iowa lost its four games last year by a combined FOUR points, and have now won what, TWELVE games in a row, the 2nd longest streak in the country?  Iowa even blew out SEC school S. Carolina last years bowl game.  I think Cincy has a dandy team, but, if Pike wouldn't have gotten hurt, I honestly believe S Florida is in the ball game and has a shot at winning.  The 2nd string QB came in FRESH, was a different kind of QB, S. Florida was getting a little worn, had never seen him, wasn't expecting him and had no time to prepare for that stye of QB play.  Pike is a fine CFB quarterback, but he is stiff and slow.  Also prone to getting hurt.  Stanzi hasn't mised a play a/c of an injury, against much better competition.  S. Florida has a quick, but undersized DL.  Iowa, has BOTH a quck and good sized DL.  Iowa has played and beaten Penn State, Arizona, and Whisky, and Michigan.  FOUR, pretty solid teams.  Correct me if I am wrong, but Whisky, PSU are pretty large venues, those  Two of those games  on the ROAD, so, a nuetral field wouldn't affect or intimidate them too much.  Michigan and Arizona are also bigger time programs, bigger than Cincy has played so far, except for Oregon State.  Fresno State is pretty decent too, but not in the same class.  Oh, yeah, didn't Oregon get beat by Arizona at home?  A team Iowa beat by TEN?  Didn't Whisky beat Fresno State, a team Iowa just beat by TEN, at WHiskey. Iowa's Def LEADS THE COUNTRY in take-a-ways.  No small feat.  Iowa has faced big time receivers before, they have experienced DB's.   I have to wonder how much time Pike would have to throw against Iowa.  LB'er Eadds and Angerer are possibly the top LB pair in the conference.  Obviously the D line is very, very good, and Cincy has NOT seen anyone like DE Clayborn, who is large and fast, and has played, once again, against much better competition. 
 
QB Big advantage to Cincy
Coaching Staff, edge to Iowa, esp in experience, and BIG games
 
Defense.  Big advantage to Iowa
 
WR, sure, Cincy has Gilyard, but who else? Depth to Iowa, ESP with Moeaki at TE.  DJK, McNutt, and Stross are all very fine WR.  Wegher and Robinson are threats here also.
 
RB, Edge to Iowa.   I didn't see anyone from Cincy (except the fresh, 2nd string QB) do very much on the ground.  Iowa's  Robinson is doing quite well, again, against bigger time competition.
  
Off Line advantage to Iowa
 
If games are won and lost in the trenches, and championships with defense, what is not to like in Iowa over Cincy???  Not sure where you are getting your information, other than being a homer.   I don't believe Cincy could beat Iowa, much less by a large margin!
 
 
 
 
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Please, the Big East Conference is not equal to the TEN. 
OSU
Michigan
Iowa
Whisky
PSU
 
Name me your FIVE that could compete with these..
 
Cincy, WV, and MAYBE Pitt.
 
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how the fuk you put cincy up by 3tds? iowa dont have the speed to stop gilyard? rofl look what they did to penn st iowa completely shut them down....just by beating penn st alone i give iowa as a 5 point fav.
 
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Hawk's offense is just coming around, especially with Moaki and Baluga getting back in the line up - both players that will be playing Sundays.

And the Hawk's D is legit. They do have the necessary speed and are well coached in the ball-Hawking department. And there are 3 players on that defense that will also be playing on Sunday, so they can match up well with some of the best out there.

I'm convinced they are tough enough to weather the storm to keep them in any game, even though that doesn't always translate to wins every Saturday.
 
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NEWS & NOTES • WEEK 8 – Cincinnati was not that impressive in their 34-17 win over USF. In the 1H USF had a 248-143 yd edge. At one point Cincinnati had 2 FD’s and 10 points. USF led 7-3 and was driving for the 14-3 lead when they were int’d and ret’d 83 yds setting up a 1 play TD. USF missed a 50 yd FG and with UC backed up to its own goal line, the Bearcats got a 3rd & 17 prayer pass to the sidelines where the WR had a tip-toe catch for a FD and UC would drive on for another TD with 4:31 left in the half. In the 2H, USF looked to have a 60 yd TD pass on the 3rd play of the 3Q but it bounced right off the chest of Mitchell who was wide open. When Pike re-injured his wrist, UC had to turn to backup QB Collaros who is smaller and more mobile. USF was ill prepared for a running QB and he ran a simple QB draw and ended up racing 75 yds for a TD and a 24-10 lead. USF would drop a sure IR TD with 3:20 left 3Q and had another deep pass on 2nd & 11 go right off the receiver’s hands…

Thank this pretty much says it all...yet someone "thinks" Cincy would beat Iowa by 3 TD's.  LOL

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by bandit1010:

 
QB Big advantage to Cincy
Coaching Staff, edge to Iowa, esp in experience, and BIG games
 
Defense.  Big advantage to Iowa
 
WR, sure, Cincy has Gilyard, but who else? Depth to Iowa, ESP with Moeaki at TE.  DJK, McNutt, and Stross are all very fine WR.  Wegher and Robinson are threats here also.
 
RB, Edge to Iowa.   I didn't see anyone from Cincy (except the fresh, 2nd string QB) do very much on the ground.  Iowa's  Robinson is doing quite well, again, against bigger time competition.
  
Off Line advantage to Iowa
 
If games are won and lost in the trenches, and championships with defense, what is not to like in Iowa over Cincy???  Not sure where you are getting your information, other than being a homer.   I don't believe Cincy could beat Iowa, much less by a large margin!
 
 
 

Right on...Iowa wins by 3 to 10 points.

With that being said Iowa is going down this weekend.

 
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I think we might see these two play each other.

This has Capital One Bowl written all over it.

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by dytide:

I think we might see these two play each other.

This has Capital One Bowl written all over it.

 




No can do. Cap One Bowl is affiliated with the SEC & Big 10.

Iowa should beat Michigan St, but losing won't be a surprise as they are -1.5 faves

Hawks usually play MSU well. I did bet the ML against Iowa last year in this one and they lost 13-16. It wasn't until Iowa beat Penn St last year that they turned the first corner. They seemingly have turned another corner.

Now we'll see if they can turn the final corner for the home stretch.

In all likelihood, they get a New Years BCS bowl - maybe the Rose Bowl.
 
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I believe the Rose Bowl is the National Title game this year, I look for my Hawks to win this weekend (we havent won in EL since 91 ) but lose to OSU in Cbus. And IOWA lost 4 games last year by 12 points not 4
 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by bandit1010:

Iowa lost its four games last year by a combined FOUR points, and have now won what, TWELVE games in a row, the 2nd longest streak in the country?  Iowa even blew out SEC school S. Carolina last years bowl game.  I think Cincy has a dandy team, but, if Pike wouldn't have gotten hurt, I honestly believe S Florida is in the ball game and has a shot at winning.  The 2nd string QB came in FRESH, was a different kind of QB, S. Florida was getting a little worn, had never seen him, wasn't expecting him and had no time to prepare for that stye of QB play.  Pike is a fine CFB quarterback, but he is stiff and slow.  Also prone to getting hurt.  Stanzi hasn't mised a play a/c of an injury, against much better competition.  S. Florida has a quick, but undersized DL.  Iowa, has BOTH a quck and good sized DL.  Iowa has played and beaten Penn State, Arizona, and Whisky, and Michigan.  FOUR, pretty solid teams.  Correct me if I am wrong, but Whisky, PSU are pretty large venues, those  Two of those games  on the ROAD, so, a nuetral field wouldn't affect or intimidate them too much.  Michigan and Arizona are also bigger time programs, bigger than Cincy has played so far, except for Oregon State.  Fresno State is pretty decent too, but not in the same class.  Oh, yeah, didn't Oregon get beat by Arizona at home?  A team Iowa beat by TEN?  Didn't Whisky beat Fresno State, a team Iowa just beat by TEN, at WHiskey. Iowa's Def LEADS THE COUNTRY in take-a-ways.  No small feat.  Iowa has faced big time receivers before, they have experienced DB's.   I have to wonder how much time Pike would have to throw against Iowa.  LB'er Eadds and Angerer are possibly the top LB pair in the conference.  Obviously the D line is very, very good, and Cincy has NOT seen anyone like DE Clayborn, who is large and fast, and has played, once again, against much better competition. 
 
QB Big advantage to Cincy
Coaching Staff, edge to Iowa, esp in experience, and BIG games
 
Defense.  Big advantage to Iowa
 
WR, sure, Cincy has Gilyard, but who else? Depth to Iowa, ESP with Moeaki at TE.  DJK, McNutt, and Stross are all very fine WR.  Wegher and Robinson are threats here also.
 
RB, Edge to Iowa.   I didn't see anyone from Cincy (except the fresh, 2nd string QB) do very much on the ground.  Iowa's  Robinson is doing quite well, again, against bigger time competition.
  
Off Line advantage to Iowa
 
If games are won and lost in the trenches, and championships with defense, what is not to like in Iowa over Cincy???  Not sure where you are getting your information, other than being a homer.   I don't believe Cincy could beat Iowa, much less by a large margin!
 
 
 

 

2 problems

Iowa defense has a big advantage is bogus. What team have they played that has a decent offense?? Penn St and Wisky are crap.

Iowa Wr are better/or at least more depth....thats great, but they dont use them, so it doesnt matter....

 

nuetral field:

cincy 27 Iowa 17

 

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