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    Does BAMA CHEAT??

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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2012 - 8:40 AM ET #51

    Cheating for dummies:

    1. Always pay cash

    This should seem simple enough. Cash is mostly untraceable. As long as it isn't deposited in unusually large quantities into the account of a player or a player's parent, the NCAA will not find it. Paper trails lead to trouble. When Oregon coach Chip Kelly agreed to pay Lyles for a bogus scouting service, Kelly probably didn't know that every University of Oregon transaction is published on the state of Oregon's website. He knows now. So don't use checks, wire transfers, gift certificates or any other form of currency. Don't even make anonymous donations to a handler's 501(c)3 charitable foundation, even though I know you basketball cheaters do this all the time. Simply use some of that green paper with Ben Franklin's face on it, and the NCAA will be none the wiser as long as you follow my other rules.

    2. Nothing in writing

    No major college football or basketball coach should have an e-mail address. If he does, he should never use it. That way, when a do-gooder such as former Ohio State player Chris Cicero sends an e-mail about the star quarterback and star receiver trading memorabilia for cash and tattoos, the head coach can be completely honest when he tells the NCAA: "I never saw that." If Tressel had ignored his e-mail during his Ohio State tenure, he'd still have a job. This rule applies to players, too. If an agent gives one of your players a South Beach shopping spree or a VIP night at some club that charges $12 for a Bud Light, make sure your players know better than to narrate in real time the receipt of impermissible benefits on Twitter or Facebook.

    3. Everyone gets paid

    Keep the circle tight, and pay everyone in the circle. Why did Alabama get caught buying Albert Means from his high school coach? Because an assistant who was part of the scheme didn't get his cut and ran to a newspaper. Why did USC get savaged by the Committee on Infractions? Because Bush was too greedy to pay Lloyd Lake the $300,000 he owed him, and the geniuses in charge at Heritage Hall decided that instead of passing the hat among the boosters and paying the man, they'd take their chances with the NCAA. Millions of dollars, 30 lost scholarships and two lost bowl games later, any able-bodied student at USC has a chance of cracking the Trojans' depth chart this season. Why did Lyles flip on Oregon and spill his guts to Yahoo! Sports? Because he was supposed to get another $25,000, and Oregon didn't pay. Always, always, always pay everyone. Which brings us to rule No. 4.

    4) same as #1

    5. Plausible deniability is your greatest ally

    Butch Davis' name doesn't appear in the NCAA's notice of allegations against North Carolina despite what appears to be widespread corruption in the football program. That's because Davis -- as far as we know -- built enough walls to keep himself from getting tarred. Young assistants, remember this and you'll go far. The head coach never meets the money guy. He never meets the handler. He never meets the agent runners. All business is conducted through assistants and lower-level employees. That way, no one can count phone calls between the coach and the handler on phone lines whose records are public because of state open records laws. We know exactly how many times Tressel corresponded with Terrelle Pryor's handler, Ted Sarniak, and we know exactly how many times Oregon's Kelly called or texted Lyles. Head coaches, whatever you do, DON'T SEND THE HANDLER A HANDWRITTEN NOTE THANKING HIM FOR "ORCHESTRATING" SOMETHING. I'm looking at you, Chip Kelly. Follow this rule, and you can escape a scandal by sacrificing an assistant or an athletic department employee. Just remember the sacrificial lambs always must get paid. How do you pay the sacrificial lamb? See rule Nos. 1 and 4.

    6. Use a burner

    Coaches, the NCAA knows about your bat phone. (Your wife probably does, too.) This is the personal phone you use when you want to get around the NCAA's worthless rule against texting recruits. If you get called to the carpet by the enforcement staff, they'll request the records for your work phone and your bat phone. That's why you need third, fourth, fifth and sixth phones. If you must violate Rule No. 5, take a lesson from The Wire and employ a disposable, untraceable-by-the-NCAA prepaid phone to call your favorite bagman, handler or fixer. To make sure this phone isn't traceable, see rule No. 7.

    7. Always pay cash

    Because who the hell pays a street agent with a university-issued check? That's like -- paying a street agent with a university-issued check.



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    Cheating for dummies:

    1. Always pay cash

    This should seem simple enough. Cash is mostly untraceable. As long as it isn't deposited in unusually large quantities into the account of a player or a player's parent, the NCAA will not find it. Paper trails lead to trouble. When Oregon coach Chip Kelly agreed to pay Lyles for a bogus scouting service, Kelly probably didn't know that every University of Oregon transaction is published on the state of Oregon's website. He knows now. So don't use checks, wire transfers, gift certificates or any other form of currency. Don't even make anonymous donations to a handler's 501(c)3 charitable foundation, even though I know you basketball cheaters do this all the time. Simply use some of that green paper with Ben Franklin's face on it, and the NCAA will be none the wiser as long as you follow my other rules.

    2. Nothing in writing

    No major college football or basketball coach should have an e-mail address. If he does, he should never use it. That way, when a do-gooder such as former Ohio State player Chris Cicero sends an e-mail about the star quarterback and star receiver trading memorabilia for cash and tattoos, the head coach can be completely honest when he tells the NCAA: "I never saw that." If Tressel had ignored his e-mail during his Ohio State tenure, he'd still have a job. This rule applies to players, too. If an agent gives one of your players a South Beach shopping spree or a VIP night at some club that charges $12 for a Bud Light, make sure your players know better than to narrate in real time the receipt of impermissible benefits on Twitter or Facebook.

    3. Everyone gets paid

    Keep the circle tight, and pay everyone in the circle. Why did Alabama get caught buying Albert Means from his high school coach? Because an assistant who was part of the scheme didn't get his cut and ran to a newspaper. Why did USC get savaged by the Committee on Infractions? Because Bush was too greedy to pay Lloyd Lake the $300,000 he owed him, and the geniuses in charge at Heritage Hall decided that instead of passing the hat among the boosters and paying the man, they'd take their chances with the NCAA. Millions of dollars, 30 lost scholarships and two lost bowl games later, any able-bodied student at USC has a chance of cracking the Trojans' depth chart this season. Why did Lyles flip on Oregon and spill his guts to Yahoo! Sports? Because he was supposed to get another $25,000, and Oregon didn't pay. Always, always, always pay everyone. Which brings us to rule No. 4.

    4) same as #1

    5. Plausible deniability is your greatest ally

    Butch Davis' name doesn't appear in the NCAA's notice of allegations against North Carolina despite what appears to be widespread corruption in the football program. That's because Davis -- as far as we know -- built enough walls to keep himself from getting tarred. Young assistants, remember this and you'll go far. The head coach never meets the money guy. He never meets the handler. He never meets the agent runners. All business is conducted through assistants and lower-level employees. That way, no one can count phone calls between the coach and the handler on phone lines whose records are public because of state open records laws. We know exactly how many times Tressel corresponded with Terrelle Pryor's handler, Ted Sarniak, and we know exactly how many times Oregon's Kelly called or texted Lyles. Head coaches, whatever you do, DON'T SEND THE HANDLER A HANDWRITTEN NOTE THANKING HIM FOR "ORCHESTRATING" SOMETHING. I'm looking at you, Chip Kelly. Follow this rule, and you can escape a scandal by sacrificing an assistant or an athletic department employee. Just remember the sacrificial lambs always must get paid. How do you pay the sacrificial lamb? See rule Nos. 1 and 4.

    6. Use a burner

    Coaches, the NCAA knows about your bat phone. (Your wife probably does, too.) This is the personal phone you use when you want to get around the NCAA's worthless rule against texting recruits. If you get called to the carpet by the enforcement staff, they'll request the records for your work phone and your bat phone. That's why you need third, fourth, fifth and sixth phones. If you must violate Rule No. 5, take a lesson from The Wire and employ a disposable, untraceable-by-the-NCAA prepaid phone to call your favorite bagman, handler or fixer. To make sure this phone isn't traceable, see rule No. 7.

    7. Always pay cash

    Because who the hell pays a street agent with a university-issued check? That's like -- paying a street agent with a university-issued check.



    Read more: https://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/andy_staples/07/05/cheating-for-dummies/index.html#ixzz23Ezh4t1N

     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2012 - 8:48 AM ET #52

    The SEC had its own negative publicity in the offseason, including the scandal that led to the firing of Arkansas coach Bobby Petrino and the Sporting News report that Florida became an undisciplined and unchecked environment under Urban Meyer, citing records of 31 arrests during his six seasons and heated incidents involving players and coaches that weren't reported.

    Slive said the SEC "must be ever vigilant on all issues of integrity."

    The league continues to be an unabashed success on the field, including national champions six straight seasons.

    The SEC tripled revenue distributed to schools since 2002, when Slive became conference commissioner, and adds two schools to the conference in August -- Texas A&M and Missouri. Slive spent 20 minutes talking to the 700 media members in attendance, quoting Shakespeare and Churchill and noting the league's immense progress since he arrived.

     

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    The SEC had its own negative publicity in the offseason, including the scandal that led to the firing of Arkansas coach Bobby Petrino and the Sporting News report that Florida became an undisciplined and unchecked environment under Urban Meyer, citing records of 31 arrests during his six seasons and heated incidents involving players and coaches that weren't reported.

    Slive said the SEC "must be ever vigilant on all issues of integrity."

    The league continues to be an unabashed success on the field, including national champions six straight seasons.

    The SEC tripled revenue distributed to schools since 2002, when Slive became conference commissioner, and adds two schools to the conference in August -- Texas A&M and Missouri. Slive spent 20 minutes talking to the 700 media members in attendance, quoting Shakespeare and Churchill and noting the league's immense progress since he arrived.

     

     
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    Slive said the SEC "must be ever vigilant on all issues of integrity."

    Funny stuff

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    Slive said the SEC "must be ever vigilant on all issues of integrity."

    Funny stuff

     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2012 - 8:59 AM ET #54

    One Question BAMAPIKS??

    Do you think that AUBURN Won their NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP BY PLAYING BY THE RULES??? DOES IT BOTHER YOU THEY CHEATED AND WON?? HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK THEY PAID CAM NEWTON IF HE REPORTEDLY TURNED DOWN 120,000$$$$?????

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    One Question BAMAPIKS??

    Do you think that AUBURN Won their NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP BY PLAYING BY THE RULES??? DOES IT BOTHER YOU THEY CHEATED AND WON?? HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK THEY PAID CAM NEWTON IF HE REPORTEDLY TURNED DOWN 120,000$$$$?????

     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2012 - 9:01 AM ET #55

    Also how much did Bama have to pay to get Trent Richardson?
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    Also how much did Bama have to pay to get Trent Richardson?
     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2012 - 9:47 AM ET #56

    very nice my brother good stuff I grade you an A 
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2012 - 10:09 AM ET #57

    @capper...I never said "you" said they cheated.

    As for your "44% duh" comment. Their is still shit flying under the radar that is not caught or is overlooked! That 44% is not "scientifically accurate"...duh!!
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    @capper...I never said "you" said they cheated.

    As for your "44% duh" comment. Their is still shit flying under the radar that is not caught or is overlooked! That 44% is not "scientifically accurate"...duh!!
     
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    well 44% or 70%...there isnt anything they can do about it!!

    as for the big programs who cheat..SEND IN THE BOOSTERS, BACK UP THE TRUCKS AND COLLECT THE $$$$$$$$$$$$.... I GUESS??

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    well 44% or 70%...there isnt anything they can do about it!!

    as for the big programs who cheat..SEND IN THE BOOSTERS, BACK UP THE TRUCKS AND COLLECT THE $$$$$$$$$$$$.... I GUESS??

     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2012 - 11:13 AM ET #59

    Quote Originally Posted by Capper007:

    5 Star recruits ar usually twice as good as 3 and 4 star prospects!!
     oh really
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    5 Star recruits ar usually twice as good as 3 and 4 star prospects!!
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    The five-star recruit, the ultimate symbol of success any coaching staff,

    *Historical rankings from 2008 are courtesy of Scout.com

    10. WR A.J. Green, Georgia
    Would Dawgs fans have liked more from Green? Yeah, but only because he’s the purest wide receiver to ever play for the program. Before leaving early for the 2011 NFL Draft, he started 27 games in red and black, catching 166 passes for 2,619 yards and 23 touchdowns. Named All-SEC in each of his three seasons, including as a rookie in 2008, he’d go on to be chosen No. 4 overall by the Cincinnati Bengals last April. And much like his debut in Athens, he’s been an instant star in the pros, getting a Pro Bowl nod in his debut season.

    9. OT Tyron Smith, USC
    Smith navigated a near-perfect trajectory for a career path while at Troy, ramping up his skill level with each passing season. By the end of 2010, he was the premier pass-protector of the Pac-10, and ready to enter the NFL Draft. After testing well at the Combine, Smith was plucked No. 9 overall, becoming the first offensive lineman chosen in the first round by Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones. He has more than met expectations as a rookie, starting the entire season at right tackle, and playing as if he plans to displace Doug Free on the left side next September.

    8. CB Patrick Peterson, LSU
    By his second season, Peterson had already established himself as one of the premier cover corners in America. By 2010, he’d left all of his peers in the rear view mirror. As a junior, he was a consensus All-American and the winner of both the Bednarik and Thorpe awards. The no-brainer to forego his final year of eligibility in Baton Rouge was picked No. 5 overall by the Arizona Cardinals amid a buzz that he could be the most complete player of the draft. More than just a lockdown corner, he’s also a dynamic return man, tying a league record with four punt returns for touchdowns this season.

     

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    The five-star recruit, the ultimate symbol of success any coaching staff,

    *Historical rankings from 2008 are courtesy of Scout.com

    10. WR A.J. Green, Georgia
    Would Dawgs fans have liked more from Green? Yeah, but only because he’s the purest wide receiver to ever play for the program. Before leaving early for the 2011 NFL Draft, he started 27 games in red and black, catching 166 passes for 2,619 yards and 23 touchdowns. Named All-SEC in each of his three seasons, including as a rookie in 2008, he’d go on to be chosen No. 4 overall by the Cincinnati Bengals last April. And much like his debut in Athens, he’s been an instant star in the pros, getting a Pro Bowl nod in his debut season.

    9. OT Tyron Smith, USC
    Smith navigated a near-perfect trajectory for a career path while at Troy, ramping up his skill level with each passing season. By the end of 2010, he was the premier pass-protector of the Pac-10, and ready to enter the NFL Draft. After testing well at the Combine, Smith was plucked No. 9 overall, becoming the first offensive lineman chosen in the first round by Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones. He has more than met expectations as a rookie, starting the entire season at right tackle, and playing as if he plans to displace Doug Free on the left side next September.

    8. CB Patrick Peterson, LSU
    By his second season, Peterson had already established himself as one of the premier cover corners in America. By 2010, he’d left all of his peers in the rear view mirror. As a junior, he was a consensus All-American and the winner of both the Bednarik and Thorpe awards. The no-brainer to forego his final year of eligibility in Baton Rouge was picked No. 5 overall by the Arizona Cardinals amid a buzz that he could be the most complete player of the draft. More than just a lockdown corner, he’s also a dynamic return man, tying a league record with four punt returns for touchdowns this season.

     

     
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    3. WR Julio Jones, Alabama
    In the storied history of ‘Bama football, no receiver has ever intimidated opposing defensive backs more than Jones did for three years. A physically-imposing and acrobatic weapon, he started all 40 games of his career, finishing it with 179 catches for 2,653 yards and 17 total touchdowns … in a system designed to accentuate the running backs. The No. 6 pick in the 2011 NFL Draft skipped his senior year in Tuscaloosa, opting instead to become one of Matt Ryan’s favorite targets with the Atlanta Falcons.

    2. DE Da’Quan Bowers, Clemson
    Labeled an underachiever after his first two seasons with the Tigers, Bowers erupted in 2010 with one of the best years by a defender in program history. His junior season, his final one as an amateur, was highlighted by a nation’s best 26 tackles for loss and 15.5 sacks. The production and consistent harassment of quarterbacks earned him the Nagurski Award, the Hendricks Award and unanimous recognition as a First Team All-American. Concerns about his surgically-repaired right knee caused a draft-day downgrade before the Cleveland Browns nabbed him in the second round with the 51st overall pick.

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    3. WR Julio Jones, Alabama
    In the storied history of ‘Bama football, no receiver has ever intimidated opposing defensive backs more than Jones did for three years. A physically-imposing and acrobatic weapon, he started all 40 games of his career, finishing it with 179 catches for 2,653 yards and 17 total touchdowns … in a system designed to accentuate the running backs. The No. 6 pick in the 2011 NFL Draft skipped his senior year in Tuscaloosa, opting instead to become one of Matt Ryan’s favorite targets with the Atlanta Falcons.

    2. DE Da’Quan Bowers, Clemson
    Labeled an underachiever after his first two seasons with the Tigers, Bowers erupted in 2010 with one of the best years by a defender in program history. His junior season, his final one as an amateur, was highlighted by a nation’s best 26 tackles for loss and 15.5 sacks. The production and consistent harassment of quarterbacks earned him the Nagurski Award, the Hendricks Award and unanimous recognition as a First Team All-American. Concerns about his surgically-repaired right knee caused a draft-day downgrade before the Cleveland Browns nabbed him in the second round with the 51st overall pick.

     
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    2010 5 star guys

    6. USC ATH Robert Woods
    BUZZ: Woods earned Freshman All-America honors from Rivals.com after catching 65 passes for 792 yards and six touchdowns. He led the Trojans in total catches and receiving yards. He caught 12 passes for 224 yards and three touchdowns in a 37-35 loss to Stanford and had seven receptions for 116 yards and two scores the following week in a 48-14 rout of California.
    7. Florida DT Dominique Easley
    BUZZ: Easley played six games and made four tackles. Easley didn't accompany the team to a win at Vanderbilt for disciplinary reasons, and he was the subject of occasional transfer rumors. He is expected to compete for a starting job this fall, and at the least, he will be part of the tackle rotation after a strong spring.
    8. UCLA DE Owamagbe Odighizuwa
    BUZZ: Odighizuwa made six starts and delivered 10 tackles - four for loss - to go along with three sacks. He had two sacks in a 35-7 loss to California and also produced a sack in the 28-14 loss to USC that closed the Bruins' season. He moved into the starting lineup midway through the season.
    9. Tennessee WR Da'Rick Rogers
    BUZZ: Rogers finished his freshman season with 11 caches for 167 yards and two touchdowns. He caught a 45-yard touchdown pass in the Music City Bowl loss to North Carolina and had a 22-yard touchdown reception in a 50-14 triumph over Memphis. Five of his 16 catches came in the final two games of the season.
    10. South Carolina RB Marcus Lattimore
    BUZZ: Lattimore certainly lived up to the hype. The top running back prospect in the 2010 class rushed for 1,197 yards and 17 touchdowns to make the biggest impact of any freshman this season. He rushed for 212 yards and three touchdowns in a victory over Florida that helped South Carolina clinch its first SEC East title. He reached the end zone three times against Troy and scored two touchdowns each against Southern Miss, Georgia, Alabama and Kentucky.
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    6. USC ATH Robert Woods
    BUZZ: Woods earned Freshman All-America honors from Rivals.com after catching 65 passes for 792 yards and six touchdowns. He led the Trojans in total catches and receiving yards. He caught 12 passes for 224 yards and three touchdowns in a 37-35 loss to Stanford and had seven receptions for 116 yards and two scores the following week in a 48-14 rout of California.
    7. Florida DT Dominique Easley
    BUZZ: Easley played six games and made four tackles. Easley didn't accompany the team to a win at Vanderbilt for disciplinary reasons, and he was the subject of occasional transfer rumors. He is expected to compete for a starting job this fall, and at the least, he will be part of the tackle rotation after a strong spring.
    8. UCLA DE Owamagbe Odighizuwa
    BUZZ: Odighizuwa made six starts and delivered 10 tackles - four for loss - to go along with three sacks. He had two sacks in a 35-7 loss to California and also produced a sack in the 28-14 loss to USC that closed the Bruins' season. He moved into the starting lineup midway through the season.
    9. Tennessee WR Da'Rick Rogers
    BUZZ: Rogers finished his freshman season with 11 caches for 167 yards and two touchdowns. He caught a 45-yard touchdown pass in the Music City Bowl loss to North Carolina and had a 22-yard touchdown reception in a 50-14 triumph over Memphis. Five of his 16 catches came in the final two games of the season.
    10. South Carolina RB Marcus Lattimore
    BUZZ: Lattimore certainly lived up to the hype. The top running back prospect in the 2010 class rushed for 1,197 yards and 17 touchdowns to make the biggest impact of any freshman this season. He rushed for 212 yards and three touchdowns in a victory over Florida that helped South Carolina clinch its first SEC East title. He reached the end zone three times against Troy and scored two touchdowns each against Southern Miss, Georgia, Alabama and Kentucky.
     
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    2009 5 stars

    4. USC QB Matt Barkley
    BUZZ: Barkley wasted no time establishing himself as USC's starting quarterback and has thrown for more than 2,700 yards each of the past two seasons. He went 236-of-377 for 2,791 yards with 26 touchdown passes and 12 interceptions in 2010. He threw five touchdown passes each in wins over Hawaii and California. If he reduces his interception total - he was picked off 14 times in 2009 and 12 times in 2010 - Barkley should develop into an All-America candidate.
    5. Alabama RB Trent Richardson
    BUZZ: Richardson has rushed for a total of 1,451 yards and 14 touchdowns the past two seasons while complementing 2009 Heisman winner Mark Ingram in the Tide's backfield. Richardson ran for 751 yards and eight touchdowns on 145 carries in 2009. He rushed for 700 yards and six touchdowns on 112 carries last season. He filled in for an injured Ingram and ran for 144 yards in a 24-3 victory over Penn State. Richardson should contend for All-SEC and even All-America honors this fall.
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    4. USC QB Matt Barkley
    BUZZ: Barkley wasted no time establishing himself as USC's starting quarterback and has thrown for more than 2,700 yards each of the past two seasons. He went 236-of-377 for 2,791 yards with 26 touchdown passes and 12 interceptions in 2010. He threw five touchdown passes each in wins over Hawaii and California. If he reduces his interception total - he was picked off 14 times in 2009 and 12 times in 2010 - Barkley should develop into an All-America candidate.
    5. Alabama RB Trent Richardson
    BUZZ: Richardson has rushed for a total of 1,451 yards and 14 touchdowns the past two seasons while complementing 2009 Heisman winner Mark Ingram in the Tide's backfield. Richardson ran for 751 yards and eight touchdowns on 145 carries in 2009. He rushed for 700 yards and six touchdowns on 112 carries last season. He filled in for an injured Ingram and ran for 144 yards in a 24-3 victory over Penn State. Richardson should contend for All-SEC and even All-America honors this fall.
     
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    more 2008

    11. OL Matt Kalil, USC
    BUZZ: After redshirting his first season on campus and spending his first active season as a backup, Kalil came into his own in 2010. He started all season at left tackle, and he will be on the spot in 2011 as one of just two returning starters on the offensive line.
    12. C Michael Brewster, Ohio State
    BUZZ: Brewster arguably has had the most accomplished career of any of the five-star prospects Ohio State signed in this class, picking up honors as a true freshman. He was a Rivals.com Freshman All-America performer in 2008. Last season, his third as a starter, he was a Rimington finalist (given to the nation's top center) and a first-team All-Big Ten selection. He will open his senior season as one of nation's best centers and a leading contender for All-America honors.
    13. DE R.J. Washington, Oklahoma
    BUZZ: A series of injuries has rendered Washington's career a disappointment so far. He redshirted as a true freshman and has made seven tackles in 14 games, with two quarterback hurries and a half-sack, in the past two seasons. He is expected to be a backup this fall.
    14. QB Blaine Gabbert, Missouri
    BUZZ: Throughout the recruiting process, Gabbert planned to go to Nebraska until the Huskers fired Bill Callahan. He instead enrolled at Missouri. He backed up Chase Daniel as a true freshman, then passed for 6,779 yards and 40 touchdown passes in two seasons as the starter before declaring for the NFL draft. He went 10th overall, to Jacksonville.
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    11. OL Matt Kalil, USC
    BUZZ: After redshirting his first season on campus and spending his first active season as a backup, Kalil came into his own in 2010. He started all season at left tackle, and he will be on the spot in 2011 as one of just two returning starters on the offensive line.
    12. C Michael Brewster, Ohio State
    BUZZ: Brewster arguably has had the most accomplished career of any of the five-star prospects Ohio State signed in this class, picking up honors as a true freshman. He was a Rivals.com Freshman All-America performer in 2008. Last season, his third as a starter, he was a Rimington finalist (given to the nation's top center) and a first-team All-Big Ten selection. He will open his senior season as one of nation's best centers and a leading contender for All-America honors.
    13. DE R.J. Washington, Oklahoma
    BUZZ: A series of injuries has rendered Washington's career a disappointment so far. He redshirted as a true freshman and has made seven tackles in 14 games, with two quarterback hurries and a half-sack, in the past two seasons. He is expected to be a backup this fall.
    14. QB Blaine Gabbert, Missouri
    BUZZ: Throughout the recruiting process, Gabbert planned to go to Nebraska until the Huskers fired Bill Callahan. He instead enrolled at Missouri. He backed up Chase Daniel as a true freshman, then passed for 6,779 yards and 40 touchdown passes in two seasons as the starter before declaring for the NFL draft. He went 10th overall, to Jacksonville.
     
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    2006

    1. WR Percy Harvin, Florida
    BUZZ: He finished his career at Florida in 2008, turning pro after his junior season. He ran for 1,852 yards and 19 TDs at Florida and had 133 receptions for 1,929 yards and 13 more touchdowns. He was a first-round pick of the Minnesota Vikings in the 2009 draft and was named NFL offensive rookie of the year.
    2. OT Andre Smith, Alabama
    BUZZ: Smith was a three-year starter for the Tide before turning pro after his junior season. He was a first-round pick of Cincinnati in the '09 draft. He was a freshman All-America selection in 2006, a first-team All-SEC pick in '07 and a consensus All-America in '08.
    3. RB Chris Wells, Ohio State
    BUZZ: Wells was a backup as a true freshman, then started as a sophomore and junior for the Buckeyes before heading off to the NFL a year early. Wells finished his career with 3,382 yards and 30 TDs in 36 games. Wells was a first-round pick by Arizona in 2009.
    4. DT Gerald McCoy, Oklahoma
    BUZZ: McCoy redshirted as a true freshman, then became a key three-year starter for the Sooners, earning All-America honors as a junior in 2009. He bypassed his senior season and was a first-round NFL pick by Tampa Bay. He had 34 tackles, 15.5 tackles for loss, six sacks and 10 quarterback hurries this season; he finished his career with 83 tackles, 33 tackles for loss, 14.5 sacks, 18 quarterback hurries, four pass breakups and two forced fumbles.
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    1. WR Percy Harvin, Florida
    BUZZ: He finished his career at Florida in 2008, turning pro after his junior season. He ran for 1,852 yards and 19 TDs at Florida and had 133 receptions for 1,929 yards and 13 more touchdowns. He was a first-round pick of the Minnesota Vikings in the 2009 draft and was named NFL offensive rookie of the year.
    2. OT Andre Smith, Alabama
    BUZZ: Smith was a three-year starter for the Tide before turning pro after his junior season. He was a first-round pick of Cincinnati in the '09 draft. He was a freshman All-America selection in 2006, a first-team All-SEC pick in '07 and a consensus All-America in '08.
    3. RB Chris Wells, Ohio State
    BUZZ: Wells was a backup as a true freshman, then started as a sophomore and junior for the Buckeyes before heading off to the NFL a year early. Wells finished his career with 3,382 yards and 30 TDs in 36 games. Wells was a first-round pick by Arizona in 2009.
    4. DT Gerald McCoy, Oklahoma
    BUZZ: McCoy redshirted as a true freshman, then became a key three-year starter for the Sooners, earning All-America honors as a junior in 2009. He bypassed his senior season and was a first-round NFL pick by Tampa Bay. He had 34 tackles, 15.5 tackles for loss, six sacks and 10 quarterback hurries this season; he finished his career with 83 tackles, 33 tackles for loss, 14.5 sacks, 18 quarterback hurries, four pass breakups and two forced fumbles.
     
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    6. QB Matthew Stafford, Georgia
    BUZZ: Stafford left Georgia after his junior season and was the No. 1 pick in the 2009 NFL draft by Detroit. He was a part-time starter as a freshman at Georgia, then became the full-time starter in his final two seasons with the Bulldogs. He threw for 7,731 yards - with 51 touchdowns and 33 interceptions - in his career.
    7. WR Vidal Hazelton, USC
    BUZZ: Hazelton played three seasons at USC before transferring to Cincinnati. He played in just one game at Cincy in 2010, catching six passes for 63 yards before suffering a season-ending injury. He caught one pass as a true freshman in 2006, then had a 50-catch, 540-yard, four-TD season in 2007. But he had just six receptions in an injury-plagued season in '08 and decided to transfer. He finished his career with 63 receptions. He was not drafted.
    8. RB C.J. Spiller, Clemson
    BUZZ: Spiller finished his career in 2009. In the process, he set an NCAA career record with seven kickoff-return touchdowns. He ran for 1,212 yards and 12 TDs as a senior, his only season as a full-time starter. Spiller shared starting duties with James Davis in his first three seasons. He finished his career with 3,547 rushing yards and 32 rushing touchdowns. For his career, he also had 11 touchdown receptions, threw two touchdown passes and returned a punt for a score. Spiller had 7,588 all-purpose yards in four seasons. He was Buffalo's first-round pick in the 2010 draft.
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    6. QB Matthew Stafford, Georgia
    BUZZ: Stafford left Georgia after his junior season and was the No. 1 pick in the 2009 NFL draft by Detroit. He was a part-time starter as a freshman at Georgia, then became the full-time starter in his final two seasons with the Bulldogs. He threw for 7,731 yards - with 51 touchdowns and 33 interceptions - in his career.
    7. WR Vidal Hazelton, USC
    BUZZ: Hazelton played three seasons at USC before transferring to Cincinnati. He played in just one game at Cincy in 2010, catching six passes for 63 yards before suffering a season-ending injury. He caught one pass as a true freshman in 2006, then had a 50-catch, 540-yard, four-TD season in 2007. But he had just six receptions in an injury-plagued season in '08 and decided to transfer. He finished his career with 63 receptions. He was not drafted.
    8. RB C.J. Spiller, Clemson
    BUZZ: Spiller finished his career in 2009. In the process, he set an NCAA career record with seven kickoff-return touchdowns. He ran for 1,212 yards and 12 TDs as a senior, his only season as a full-time starter. Spiller shared starting duties with James Davis in his first three seasons. He finished his career with 3,547 rushing yards and 32 rushing touchdowns. For his career, he also had 11 touchdown receptions, threw two touchdown passes and returned a punt for a score. Spiller had 7,588 all-purpose yards in four seasons. He was Buffalo's first-round pick in the 2010 draft.
     
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    They are pretty smart, are they wrong sometimes? sure

    2004

    1. RB Adrian Peterson, Oklahoma
    BUZZ: To say Peterson lived up to his No. 1 ranking would be an understatement. In 2004, Peterson put up the best freshman season in college football history. After rushing for 1,843 yards on a nation-leading 314 carries, Peterson was a Heisman finalist and the first freshman Doak Walker finalist. He rushed for 4,045 yards and 41 touchdowns in his career despite an injury-shortened junior season. He left for the NFL a year early and was a first-round pick in 2007; he was the offensive rookie of the year that season.
    2. CB Ted Ginn Jr., Ohio State
    BUZZ: Moved to wide receiver at Ohio State, Ginn enjoyed an electrifying three seasons at Ohio State. He returned six punts for touchdowns and two kickoffs, including a 93-yarder on the opening kick of the 2006 BCS championship game against Florida (It was downhill from there, though, as Ginn was injured celebrating the touchdown and the Buckeyes lost 41-14). He was also a standout receiver with 1,943 yards and 15 touchdowns. He left school a year early and was a first-round pick in the 2007 draft.
    3. WR Early Doucet, LSU
    BUZZ: Doucet's career never reached the heights as the two players ranked ahead of him. He was never the best in the SEC at his position, but he finished with 160 career receptions for 1,943 yards and 20 touchdowns in four years. He had his best season in LSU's run to the 2007 national championship, including a touchdown catch against Ohio State in the title game. He was a third-round pick in the '08 draft.
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    2004

    1. RB Adrian Peterson, Oklahoma
    BUZZ: To say Peterson lived up to his No. 1 ranking would be an understatement. In 2004, Peterson put up the best freshman season in college football history. After rushing for 1,843 yards on a nation-leading 314 carries, Peterson was a Heisman finalist and the first freshman Doak Walker finalist. He rushed for 4,045 yards and 41 touchdowns in his career despite an injury-shortened junior season. He left for the NFL a year early and was a first-round pick in 2007; he was the offensive rookie of the year that season.
    2. CB Ted Ginn Jr., Ohio State
    BUZZ: Moved to wide receiver at Ohio State, Ginn enjoyed an electrifying three seasons at Ohio State. He returned six punts for touchdowns and two kickoffs, including a 93-yarder on the opening kick of the 2006 BCS championship game against Florida (It was downhill from there, though, as Ginn was injured celebrating the touchdown and the Buckeyes lost 41-14). He was also a standout receiver with 1,943 yards and 15 touchdowns. He left school a year early and was a first-round pick in the 2007 draft.
    3. WR Early Doucet, LSU
    BUZZ: Doucet's career never reached the heights as the two players ranked ahead of him. He was never the best in the SEC at his position, but he finished with 160 career receptions for 1,943 yards and 20 touchdowns in four years. He had his best season in LSU's run to the 2007 national championship, including a touchdown catch against Ohio State in the title game. He was a third-round pick in the '08 draft.
     
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    2003 top 5 star recruits

    1. LB Ernie Sims, Florida State
    BUZZ: The hard-hitting Sims was a two-year starter for Florida State who collected 86 tackles (nine for loss) in 2004 and 72 stops (10 for loss) in '05. Sims was a second-team All-ACC selection in 2004. He left after his junior year and was selected with the ninth overall pick in the 2006 draft.
    2. RB Reggie Bush, USC
    BUZZ: Bush caused nothing but headaches for USC opponents throughout his career, though he caused his alma mater plenty of grief after he left. He set a school and Pac-10 record with 2,890 all-purpose yards during his Heisman-winning season of 2005. Bush, a two-time Pac-10 offensive player of the year, finished his career ranked 10th in FBS history with 6,551 career all-purpose yards. He was the second overall pick in the 2006 draft. He later was stripped of his Heisman for illegalities while he was at USC, though recent reports indicated he still hasn't given the trophy back.
    3. ATH Whitney Lewis, USC
    BUZZ: Lewis sat out one season for academic reasons and struggled to earn playing time the rest of his tenure at USC before transferring to FCS program Northern Iowa at the end of the 2005 season. He rushed for 360 yards for Northern Iowa in 2006. He moved from running back to wide receiver in 2007 and caught 26 passes for 218 yards and one touchdown. Lewis wasn't drafted.
    4. WR Andre Caldwell, Florida
    BUZZ: Although Caldwell wasn't a first- or second-team All-SEC selection, his steady production in his four-year career made him one of the most prolific receivers in school history. Caldwell caught 185 passes at Florida to make him the Gators' career leader in receptions. He also ranks third in career receiving yards (2,349). He was a third-round pick in the 2008 draft.
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    1. LB Ernie Sims, Florida State
    BUZZ: The hard-hitting Sims was a two-year starter for Florida State who collected 86 tackles (nine for loss) in 2004 and 72 stops (10 for loss) in '05. Sims was a second-team All-ACC selection in 2004. He left after his junior year and was selected with the ninth overall pick in the 2006 draft.
    2. RB Reggie Bush, USC
    BUZZ: Bush caused nothing but headaches for USC opponents throughout his career, though he caused his alma mater plenty of grief after he left. He set a school and Pac-10 record with 2,890 all-purpose yards during his Heisman-winning season of 2005. Bush, a two-time Pac-10 offensive player of the year, finished his career ranked 10th in FBS history with 6,551 career all-purpose yards. He was the second overall pick in the 2006 draft. He later was stripped of his Heisman for illegalities while he was at USC, though recent reports indicated he still hasn't given the trophy back.
    3. ATH Whitney Lewis, USC
    BUZZ: Lewis sat out one season for academic reasons and struggled to earn playing time the rest of his tenure at USC before transferring to FCS program Northern Iowa at the end of the 2005 season. He rushed for 360 yards for Northern Iowa in 2006. He moved from running back to wide receiver in 2007 and caught 26 passes for 218 yards and one touchdown. Lewis wasn't drafted.
    4. WR Andre Caldwell, Florida
    BUZZ: Although Caldwell wasn't a first- or second-team All-SEC selection, his steady production in his four-year career made him one of the most prolific receivers in school history. Caldwell caught 185 passes at Florida to make him the Gators' career leader in receptions. He also ranks third in career receiving yards (2,349). He was a third-round pick in the 2008 draft.
     
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    1. QB Vince Young, Texas
    BUZZ: Young definitely justified the hype, leading the Longhorns to the national title as a senior in 2005 with a magnificent performance in the title game against USC. Young always was a bit unpolished as a passer, but his athletic ability led to numerous big plays throughout his career. He finished with 6,040 yards and 44 TDs through the air and 3,127 yards and 27 TDs on the ground. He was a first-round pick in the 2006 draft.
    2. DT Haloti Ngata, Oregon
    BUZZ: Ngata was a consensus All-American as a junior in 2005, his last season with the Ducks. He had 61 tackles and three sacks that season. He redshirted in 2002, then suffered a torn ACL in 2003. He had 46 tackles and 3.5 sacks in 2004. He blocked seven kicks in his time with the Ducks. He was taken in the first round of the 2006 draft.
    3. RB Lorenzo Booker, Florida State
    BUZZ: He was a serviceable college back but never anything remotely resembling the best running back in the nation. He finished his career with 2,389 rushing yards and 15 TDs. He was a good receiver, with 114 career receptions for 995 yards and two scores. His sophomore season - 887 rushing yards and four TDs - was his best. He was taken in the third round of the 2007 draft.
    4. QB Ben Olson, BYU
    BUZZ: He redshirted as a true freshman in 2003, then went on a two-year Mormon mission. Upon his return, he transferred to UCLA, where he had an injury-plagued career. He played in two games in 2005, throwing four passes. He started the first five games in '06 before being injured. He played in just six games in '07 because of injury, then broke his foot in preseason camp in '08 and missed his final season. He finished his career with 1,873 yards, 12 TDs and 11 picks. He was not drafted.
    5. QB Reggie McNeal, Texas A&M
    BUZZ: McNeal was almost as highly touted as fellow Texas prep star Vince Young, and at one point, it looked as if he might actually have a better college career. But while Young kept getting better, McNeal plateaued. He did throw for 6,992 yards and 44 TDs and rushed for another 1,889 yards and 15 touchdowns with the Aggies. He was selected in the sixth round, as a wide receiver, in the 2006 draft.
    6. WR Chris Davis, Florida State
    BUZZ: A severe knee injury robbed Davis of some of his speed, and he finished his college career with 114 receptions for 1,578 yards and 10 touchdowns. His best season came as a junior in 2005, when he had 51 receptions for 666 yards and five scores. He was a third-round pick of Tennessee in the 2007 draft.
    7. WR Ryan Moore, Miami
    BUZZ: Moore had a solid season as a redshirt freshman in 2003, with 44 catches for 637 yards and three TDs, but that ended up being the best season of his career. He battled injuries and finished his career with 93 receptions for 1,437 yards and 11 TDs. He wasn't drafted.
    8. QB Marcus Vick, Virginia Tech
    BUZZ: Vick redshirted as a true freshman, then backed up Bryan Randall in '03; he played wide receiver in the Hokies' bowl game that season. He was suspended from the university in the fall of 2004 for off-field incidents. He was the starting quarterback in '05, throwing for 2,393 yards and 17 TDs and rushing for 380 yards and six scores. He was dismissed from the program in January 2006 and told reporters, "It's not a big deal. I'll just move on to the next level, baby." Alas, he went undrafted in '06. In his Hokies career, Vick threw for 2,868 yards, 19 TDs and 15 picks and rushed for 492 yards and six scores.
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    1. QB Vince Young, Texas
    BUZZ: Young definitely justified the hype, leading the Longhorns to the national title as a senior in 2005 with a magnificent performance in the title game against USC. Young always was a bit unpolished as a passer, but his athletic ability led to numerous big plays throughout his career. He finished with 6,040 yards and 44 TDs through the air and 3,127 yards and 27 TDs on the ground. He was a first-round pick in the 2006 draft.
    2. DT Haloti Ngata, Oregon
    BUZZ: Ngata was a consensus All-American as a junior in 2005, his last season with the Ducks. He had 61 tackles and three sacks that season. He redshirted in 2002, then suffered a torn ACL in 2003. He had 46 tackles and 3.5 sacks in 2004. He blocked seven kicks in his time with the Ducks. He was taken in the first round of the 2006 draft.
    3. RB Lorenzo Booker, Florida State
    BUZZ: He was a serviceable college back but never anything remotely resembling the best running back in the nation. He finished his career with 2,389 rushing yards and 15 TDs. He was a good receiver, with 114 career receptions for 995 yards and two scores. His sophomore season - 887 rushing yards and four TDs - was his best. He was taken in the third round of the 2007 draft.
    4. QB Ben Olson, BYU
    BUZZ: He redshirted as a true freshman in 2003, then went on a two-year Mormon mission. Upon his return, he transferred to UCLA, where he had an injury-plagued career. He played in two games in 2005, throwing four passes. He started the first five games in '06 before being injured. He played in just six games in '07 because of injury, then broke his foot in preseason camp in '08 and missed his final season. He finished his career with 1,873 yards, 12 TDs and 11 picks. He was not drafted.
    5. QB Reggie McNeal, Texas A&M
    BUZZ: McNeal was almost as highly touted as fellow Texas prep star Vince Young, and at one point, it looked as if he might actually have a better college career. But while Young kept getting better, McNeal plateaued. He did throw for 6,992 yards and 44 TDs and rushed for another 1,889 yards and 15 touchdowns with the Aggies. He was selected in the sixth round, as a wide receiver, in the 2006 draft.
    6. WR Chris Davis, Florida State
    BUZZ: A severe knee injury robbed Davis of some of his speed, and he finished his college career with 114 receptions for 1,578 yards and 10 touchdowns. His best season came as a junior in 2005, when he had 51 receptions for 666 yards and five scores. He was a third-round pick of Tennessee in the 2007 draft.
    7. WR Ryan Moore, Miami
    BUZZ: Moore had a solid season as a redshirt freshman in 2003, with 44 catches for 637 yards and three TDs, but that ended up being the best season of his career. He battled injuries and finished his career with 93 receptions for 1,437 yards and 11 TDs. He wasn't drafted.
    8. QB Marcus Vick, Virginia Tech
    BUZZ: Vick redshirted as a true freshman, then backed up Bryan Randall in '03; he played wide receiver in the Hokies' bowl game that season. He was suspended from the university in the fall of 2004 for off-field incidents. He was the starting quarterback in '05, throwing for 2,393 yards and 17 TDs and rushing for 380 yards and six scores. He was dismissed from the program in January 2006 and told reporters, "It's not a big deal. I'll just move on to the next level, baby." Alas, he went undrafted in '06. In his Hokies career, Vick threw for 2,868 yards, 19 TDs and 15 picks and rushed for 492 yards and six scores.
     
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    i can just as easily name off plenty of 5 star busts.
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    i can just as easily name off plenty of 5 star busts.
     
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    Yeah there are busts...at least they have a chance to be called a bust... the top 25- 5 star recruits are usually head and shoulders above the rest!! Ill take the 5-star athletes...you can keep the 3 and 4 star ones!!!! 

    WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME A TEAM WON THE N.C. THAT HAD 0 5 STAR RECRUITS ON THEIR TEAM???

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    Yeah there are busts...at least they have a chance to be called a bust... the top 25- 5 star recruits are usually head and shoulders above the rest!! Ill take the 5-star athletes...you can keep the 3 and 4 star ones!!!! 

    WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME A TEAM WON THE N.C. THAT HAD 0 5 STAR RECRUITS ON THEIR TEAM???

     
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    Some 5 star recruits may get injured, use drugs, or not have a good attitude or work ethic, that stuff doesnt show up on the classification analysis!!!
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    Some 5 star recruits may get injured, use drugs, or not have a good attitude or work ethic, that stuff doesnt show up on the classification analysis!!!
     
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    If your building your NCAAF fantasy football team with only freshman...What would you look at??
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    If your building your NCAAF fantasy football team with only freshman...What would you look at??
     
     
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    go princeton

    Total championship selections from major selectors by school

    The national title count listed below is a culmination of all championship awarded since 1869, regardless of consensus or non-consensus status, as listed in the table above according to the selectors deemed to be major as listed in the official NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision Records (minus the Harris Interactive poll, 2005–present, that is listed but does not conduct a final poll or award a championship).[8]

    The totals can be said to be disputed. Individual schools may claim national championships not accounted for by the NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision Records or may not claim national championship selections that do appear in the official NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision Records (see National championship claims by school below). For an alternative independent view of national championship totals for each team, please see the College Football Data Warehouse recognized national champions or Poll era (1936-present) selections in the tables below.

    School Championships
    Princeton 28
    Yale 27
    Michigan 22
    Notre Dame 21
    Alabama 18
    Oklahoma 17
    USC 17

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    Total championship selections from major selectors by school

    The national title count listed below is a culmination of all championship awarded since 1869, regardless of consensus or non-consensus status, as listed in the table above according to the selectors deemed to be major as listed in the official NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision Records (minus the Harris Interactive poll, 2005–present, that is listed but does not conduct a final poll or award a championship).[8]

    The totals can be said to be disputed. Individual schools may claim national championships not accounted for by the NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision Records or may not claim national championship selections that do appear in the official NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision Records (see National championship claims by school below). For an alternative independent view of national championship totals for each team, please see the College Football Data Warehouse recognized national champions or Poll era (1936-present) selections in the tables below.

    School Championships
    Princeton 28
    Yale 27
    Michigan 22
    Notre Dame 21
    Alabama 18
    Oklahoma 17
    USC 17

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