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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2011 - 8:24 PM ET #1

    Bama giving ark 12.5.  Am I the only one that feels like that's too many points?
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2011 - 8:30 PM ET #2

    No... Arkansas just struggled against Troy... Some could say that was a trap game, and that is the reason why that happened, but I see bama really opening up the playbook on Arky in this one. That is a solid number if you ask me. I'm betting it early before there is too much movement. 
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    No... Arkansas just struggled against Troy... Some could say that was a trap game, and that is the reason why that happened, but I see bama really opening up the playbook on Arky in this one. That is a solid number if you ask me. I'm betting it early before there is too much movement. 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2011 - 8:49 PM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by Tappy:

    No... Arkansas just struggled against Troy... Some could say that was a trap game, and that is the reason why that happened, but I see bama really opening up the playbook on Arky in this one. That is a solid number if you ask me. I'm betting it early before there is too much movement. 

    Not saying its a bad line, but open up the playbook?

    Sorry, but they are going to be very vanilla on offense and try to let the defense win this one.  Kind of hard to "open up the playbook" with a 1st year starter in the conference opener.  Just put him in situations that he doesn't make a lot of mistakes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tappy:

    No... Arkansas just struggled against Troy... Some could say that was a trap game, and that is the reason why that happened, but I see bama really opening up the playbook on Arky in this one. That is a solid number if you ask me. I'm betting it early before there is too much movement. 

    Not saying its a bad line, but open up the playbook?

    Sorry, but they are going to be very vanilla on offense and try to let the defense win this one.  Kind of hard to "open up the playbook" with a 1st year starter in the conference opener.  Just put him in situations that he doesn't make a lot of mistakes.


     
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2011 - 8:53 PM ET #4

    One more thing.

    We did struggle against Troy, kind of.  We were never in danger of losing that game.  2 of their 3 offensive scores were in the last minute of each half.

    1st one we were up 24-0 and they got a cheap TD with less than a minute left.

    2nd one, they scored at the very end of the game after it was clearly decided.  

    It should be a good game this weekend.   
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    One more thing.

    We did struggle against Troy, kind of.  We were never in danger of losing that game.  2 of their 3 offensive scores were in the last minute of each half.

    1st one we were up 24-0 and they got a cheap TD with less than a minute left.

    2nd one, they scored at the very end of the game after it was clearly decided.  

    It should be a good game this weekend.   
     
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2011 - 10:05 PM ET #5

    Line is very very sharp.
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2011 - 10:43 PM ET #6

    curious to see how jimmy feels about this one


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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2011 - 11:52 PM ET #7

    Bama should not be laying 13 to anyone in conference with their pedestrian offense, much less against a team that isn't running Penn States offense. Arkansas is going to score at least twice
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    Bama should not be laying 13 to anyone in conference with their pedestrian offense, much less against a team that isn't running Penn States offense. Arkansas is going to score at least twice
     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2011 - 1:53 AM ET #8

    petrino, been prepping for this game all year, gimmie the points, Pigs will be focused and be a hell of a game
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2011 - 2:22 AM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by jdslay:

    One more thing.

    We did struggle against Troy, kind of.  We were never in danger of losing that game.  2 of their 3 offensive scores were in the last minute of each half.

    1st one we were up 24-0 and they got a cheap TD with less than a minute left.

    2nd one, they scored at the very end of the game after it was clearly decided.  

    It should be a good game this weekend.   



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    Quote Originally Posted by jdslay:

    One more thing.

    We did struggle against Troy, kind of.  We were never in danger of losing that game.  2 of their 3 offensive scores were in the last minute of each half.

    1st one we were up 24-0 and they got a cheap TD with less than a minute left.

    2nd one, they scored at the very end of the game after it was clearly decided.  

    It should be a good game this weekend.   



     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2011 - 2:29 AM ET #10

    I'm loving Arkansas plus the points....I bought it up to 14.5 in a parlay and feel very good about it. I'll take my chances with Arks offense. I doubt I put too much on the ml, but this could be an upset.
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    I'm loving Arkansas plus the points....I bought it up to 14.5 in a parlay and feel very good about it. I'll take my chances with Arks offense. I doubt I put too much on the ml, but this could be an upset.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2011 - 6:25 AM ET #11

    I like Arkansas plus the points, cant wait to watch the game!

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    I like Arkansas plus the points, cant wait to watch the game!

     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2011 - 6:28 AM ET #12

    I Like the point as well, but i wont be touching this game.  There are safer games to grab
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    I Like the point as well, but i wont be touching this game.  There are safer games to grab
     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2011 - 9:33 AM ET #13

    line already down to 11
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    line already down to 11
     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2011 - 10:54 AM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by Tappy:

    No... Arkansas just struggled against Troy... Some could say that was a trap game, and that is the reason why that happened, but I see bama really opening up the playbook on Arky in this one. That is a solid number if you ask me. I'm betting it early before there is too much movement. 

    With all due respect, Alabama fans have been patiently waiting for OC Jim McElwain to open up the playbook for three years now to no avail.  I'm not holding my breath that we'll see an offensive metamorphosis from Alabama this Saturday.

    I can't think of an OC in the country who has gotten less out of his talent than Jim McElwain.  I'm guessing that's why head coaching offers have not been flowing in his direction.

    The only thing I expect to see different offensively in the Arky game that we have not seen thus far from Alabama is QB/RB Blake Simms being the trigger man in the Wildcat formation.  I don't think that'll be a game changer however.

    Despite surrendering 28 points to Troy this past week, defense has been the primary point of emphasis for Petrino in the offseason.  The Razorbacks have a very experienced and, IMO, underrated defense.  This unit returns for 7, and is replete with experience and senior leadership.

    Arkansas will employ the now very familiar defensive strategy of stacking the box to take away the run, and force Alabama's inexperienced QB A.J. McCarron to beat them down the field.  They'll also rely on the strength of their defense - their front 7 - to pressure McCarron and make him uncomfortable in the pocket, and hopefully force him into making some mistakes.  If given time in the pocket McCarron is deadly accurate, but he does not create well when flushed.  So moving McCarron off of his square will be key for the Razorbacks.

    I don't think Alabama will be able to match Troy's 28-point output.  I also think that Arkansas offense will succeed in scoring in the 13-20-point range.  In the end I see Alabama pulling out a home victory in a close and relatively low-scoring game.  I'll call it Alabama 20, Arkansas 17.

    Play Arky and the points here.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tappy:

    No... Arkansas just struggled against Troy... Some could say that was a trap game, and that is the reason why that happened, but I see bama really opening up the playbook on Arky in this one. That is a solid number if you ask me. I'm betting it early before there is too much movement. 

    With all due respect, Alabama fans have been patiently waiting for OC Jim McElwain to open up the playbook for three years now to no avail.  I'm not holding my breath that we'll see an offensive metamorphosis from Alabama this Saturday.

    I can't think of an OC in the country who has gotten less out of his talent than Jim McElwain.  I'm guessing that's why head coaching offers have not been flowing in his direction.

    The only thing I expect to see different offensively in the Arky game that we have not seen thus far from Alabama is QB/RB Blake Simms being the trigger man in the Wildcat formation.  I don't think that'll be a game changer however.

    Despite surrendering 28 points to Troy this past week, defense has been the primary point of emphasis for Petrino in the offseason.  The Razorbacks have a very experienced and, IMO, underrated defense.  This unit returns for 7, and is replete with experience and senior leadership.

    Arkansas will employ the now very familiar defensive strategy of stacking the box to take away the run, and force Alabama's inexperienced QB A.J. McCarron to beat them down the field.  They'll also rely on the strength of their defense - their front 7 - to pressure McCarron and make him uncomfortable in the pocket, and hopefully force him into making some mistakes.  If given time in the pocket McCarron is deadly accurate, but he does not create well when flushed.  So moving McCarron off of his square will be key for the Razorbacks.

    I don't think Alabama will be able to match Troy's 28-point output.  I also think that Arkansas offense will succeed in scoring in the 13-20-point range.  In the end I see Alabama pulling out a home victory in a close and relatively low-scoring game.  I'll call it Alabama 20, Arkansas 17.

    Play Arky and the points here.

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2011 - 10:56 AM ET #15

    The lines makers have gone nuts... They are really focussing on the NFL right now. Take a look at the LSU -4, and Oregon -14. They both have moved two points as well.

    Arkansas +13 is a joke....

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    The lines makers have gone nuts... They are really focussing on the NFL right now. Take a look at the LSU -4, and Oregon -14. They both have moved two points as well.

    Arkansas +13 is a joke....

     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2011 - 10:59 AM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by jwheels86:

    Bama should not be laying 13 to anyone in conference with their pedestrian offense, much less against a team that isn't running Penn States offense. Arkansas is going to score at least twice

    I agree JW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwheels86:

    Bama should not be laying 13 to anyone in conference with their pedestrian offense, much less against a team that isn't running Penn States offense. Arkansas is going to score at least twice

    I agree JW.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2011 - 11:34 AM ET #17

    Agree alot with Jimmy. Big pig homer myself, hope they pull it off, but with a gun to my head think Bama pulls out a close one. No matter what i do believe Arkansas D will prevent this from being ugly regardless
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    Agree alot with Jimmy. Big pig homer myself, hope they pull it off, but with a gun to my head think Bama pulls out a close one. No matter what i do believe Arkansas D will prevent this from being ugly regardless
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

    I agree JW.



    Bama was disappointing the hell out of me Saturday, they just refuse to run a real offense with Mcelwain.. that guy just needs to go and the only time he opens the playbook is inside the 5 when he goes air raid with the easiest power run game to score with from that distance in the nation. The next few weeks could spell trouble for the offense and defense if they don't start some kind of production. It will be hard to run the ball the next few weeks
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    I agree JW.



    Bama was disappointing the hell out of me Saturday, they just refuse to run a real offense with Mcelwain.. that guy just needs to go and the only time he opens the playbook is inside the 5 when he goes air raid with the easiest power run game to score with from that distance in the nation. The next few weeks could spell trouble for the offense and defense if they don't start some kind of production. It will be hard to run the ball the next few weeks
     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2011 - 6:15 PM ET #19

    Bama's offensive execution against North Texas was abysmal.  That's inexcusable because most of these guys have been in McElwain's system for several years.

    McElwain just never seems to be held accountable for the offense's poor performance.  I thought he should have been let go after last season, but at least he did have somewhat of an excuse becasue Greg McElroy was the QB.  Now he has a true gunnerslinger at QB so he is out of excuses.  There is simply waaaaaaaay too much talent on the offensive side of the ball for the defense to have to carry this team on their back all season.

     

     

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    Bama's offensive execution against North Texas was abysmal.  That's inexcusable because most of these guys have been in McElwain's system for several years.

    McElwain just never seems to be held accountable for the offense's poor performance.  I thought he should have been let go after last season, but at least he did have somewhat of an excuse becasue Greg McElroy was the QB.  Now he has a true gunnerslinger at QB so he is out of excuses.  There is simply waaaaaaaay too much talent on the offensive side of the ball for the defense to have to carry this team on their back all season.

     

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2011 - 6:27 PM ET #20

    Alabama could be in for a real fight against LSU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laroja:

    Alabama could be in for a real fight against LSU.

    That too.  But before they can they can think about the LSU fight, they need to fight and win the fights with Arky and Florida.  Neither will be easy.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laroja:

    Alabama could be in for a real fight against LSU.

    That too.  But before they can they can think about the LSU fight, they need to fight and win the fights with Arky and Florida.  Neither will be easy.

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2011 - 6:44 PM ET #22

    I like Ark too         
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2011 - 6:50 PM ET #23

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

    That too.  But before they can they can think about the LSU fight, they need to fight and win the fights with Arky and Florida.  Neither will be easy.

     



    I actually had Alabama going into NC against Oklahoma. Still could happen, but I'm not impressed by Alabama's offense. I actually think Alabama vs Florida will be similar to last year's score ( assuming bama is at home) and the game against LSU will go waaay under. I just can't see the offense score much against either defenses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

    That too.  But before they can they can think about the LSU fight, they need to fight and win the fights with Arky and Florida.  Neither will be easy.

     



    I actually had Alabama going into NC against Oklahoma. Still could happen, but I'm not impressed by Alabama's offense. I actually think Alabama vs Florida will be similar to last year's score ( assuming bama is at home) and the game against LSU will go waaay under. I just can't see the offense score much against either defenses.
     
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    Look back against Penn St... What did Bama do? We ran the ball up the middle the whole game, and AJ's QB play improved. Last week, our running plays were focused more towards the outside, we moved Jones to tackle, and put CK in... There was a lack of chemistry at times because of this, and when Simm's came in the game. This week, the online chemistry will be clicking, AJ will be the QB throughout the game, his play will improve, as it has every week. The running game will be on point, and not have to experiment as it has in the past few weeks, and as you said I think we will see more Blake Simms. That is what I mean by opening the playbook... As for the Defense, they will be fine... They won't produce a shutout, but Arkansas will not score more than one TD on us. We have too many experienced veterans going up against a first year starting QB Tyler Wilson who is no Ryan Mallett. Bama covers the spread, no doubt. 
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    Look back against Penn St... What did Bama do? We ran the ball up the middle the whole game, and AJ's QB play improved. Last week, our running plays were focused more towards the outside, we moved Jones to tackle, and put CK in... There was a lack of chemistry at times because of this, and when Simm's came in the game. This week, the online chemistry will be clicking, AJ will be the QB throughout the game, his play will improve, as it has every week. The running game will be on point, and not have to experiment as it has in the past few weeks, and as you said I think we will see more Blake Simms. That is what I mean by opening the playbook... As for the Defense, they will be fine... They won't produce a shutout, but Arkansas will not score more than one TD on us. We have too many experienced veterans going up against a first year starting QB Tyler Wilson who is no Ryan Mallett. Bama covers the spread, no doubt. 
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tappy:

    Look back against Penn St... What did Bama do? We ran the ball up the middle the whole game, and AJ's QB play improved. Last week, our running plays were focused more towards the outside, we moved Jones to tackle, and put CK in... There was a lack of chemistry at times because of this, and when Simm's came in the game. This week, the online chemistry will be clicking, AJ will be the QB throughout the game, his play will improve, as it has every week. The running game will be on point, and not have to experiment as it has in the past few weeks, and as you said I think we will see more Blake Simms. That is what I mean by opening the playbook... As for the Defense, they will be fine... They won't produce a shutout, but Arkansas will not score more than one TD on us. We have too many experienced veterans going up against a first year starting QB Tyler Wilson who is no Ryan Mallett. Bama covers the spread, no doubt. 

    I agree Simms is a damn momentum killer. He deserves to sit the bench this year. I would advise to take Arkansas with the points. Bama will win this one by a TD.

     

    Gl to all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tappy:

    Look back against Penn St... What did Bama do? We ran the ball up the middle the whole game, and AJ's QB play improved. Last week, our running plays were focused more towards the outside, we moved Jones to tackle, and put CK in... There was a lack of chemistry at times because of this, and when Simm's came in the game. This week, the online chemistry will be clicking, AJ will be the QB throughout the game, his play will improve, as it has every week. The running game will be on point, and not have to experiment as it has in the past few weeks, and as you said I think we will see more Blake Simms. That is what I mean by opening the playbook... As for the Defense, they will be fine... They won't produce a shutout, but Arkansas will not score more than one TD on us. We have too many experienced veterans going up against a first year starting QB Tyler Wilson who is no Ryan Mallett. Bama covers the spread, no doubt. 

    I agree Simms is a damn momentum killer. He deserves to sit the bench this year. I would advise to take Arkansas with the points. Bama will win this one by a TD.

     

    Gl to all.

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