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    Alien-1
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2013 - 12:42 PM ET #76

    Quote Originally Posted by Howell83:

    I agree with this, being a newbie to the site and only gambling on games for the past couple of years, mainly thru a local bookie, I have realized that it is A LOT easier to bet more money on games thru an internet booking site. Would I have thrown down $200 on SDSU vs Hawaii ML last week if the cash was in my hand....Most probably not. But with it just being a number on the screen and a mouse click away, its a lot easier to make larger bets online than in person, my opinion anyway. I had to teach myself that. Still catch myself doing it, but not as bad as it was. Great post, money management is the key to making $ here, we are all on the same team with that.

    Oh for sure..........guys treat their on line accounts like it's monopoly money. Doesn't seem like real money when youre looking at numbers on a screen. On line books know this all to well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howell83:

    I agree with this, being a newbie to the site and only gambling on games for the past couple of years, mainly thru a local bookie, I have realized that it is A LOT easier to bet more money on games thru an internet booking site. Would I have thrown down $200 on SDSU vs Hawaii ML last week if the cash was in my hand....Most probably not. But with it just being a number on the screen and a mouse click away, its a lot easier to make larger bets online than in person, my opinion anyway. I had to teach myself that. Still catch myself doing it, but not as bad as it was. Great post, money management is the key to making $ here, we are all on the same team with that.

    Oh for sure..........guys treat their on line accounts like it's monopoly money. Doesn't seem like real money when youre looking at numbers on a screen. On line books know this all to well.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2013 - 1:47 PM ET #77

    Quote Originally Posted by Alien-1:

    You are 100% correct.

     However, there is a much greater possibility that you will encounter wins after enduring a lengthy losing streak. It's the law of averages. If youre making sound decisions and capping like you've always done(youre doing everything the same as when you were on a winning streak)your luck will eventually turn. It's the law of the universe......it can't be denied.

    The trick is..... realize you're ON a losing streak and  really minimize your bet amounts until you strart clicking again.



    What you are saying is called the "Gamblers Fallacy".  And it is called that for a reason.








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    Quote Originally Posted by Alien-1:

    You are 100% correct.

     However, there is a much greater possibility that you will encounter wins after enduring a lengthy losing streak. It's the law of averages. If youre making sound decisions and capping like you've always done(youre doing everything the same as when you were on a winning streak)your luck will eventually turn. It's the law of the universe......it can't be denied.

    The trick is..... realize you're ON a losing streak and  really minimize your bet amounts until you strart clicking again.



    What you are saying is called the "Gamblers Fallacy".  And it is called that for a reason.








     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2013 - 2:06 PM ET #78

    I would add betting too many games to the list and always having to have some kind of action every day.

    My success rate jumped dramatically when I calmed down and just tried to get one or two good plays on a given day and got comfortable not betting anything if I don't see a bet that doesn't appeal to me.
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    I would add betting too many games to the list and always having to have some kind of action every day.

    My success rate jumped dramatically when I calmed down and just tried to get one or two good plays on a given day and got comfortable not betting anything if I don't see a bet that doesn't appeal to me.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2013 - 2:45 PM ET #79

    Quote Originally Posted by thorpe:



    What you are saying is called the "Gamblers Fallacy".  And it is called that for a reason.
     
    I'm well aware of what it is and  agree 100%.........however, we are not talking about slot machines here. You are implying that a sports bettor on a losing streak will never win again.......it's just not true.







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    Quote Originally Posted by thorpe:



    What you are saying is called the "Gamblers Fallacy".  And it is called that for a reason.
     
    I'm well aware of what it is and  agree 100%.........however, we are not talking about slot machines here. You are implying that a sports bettor on a losing streak will never win again.......it's just not true.







     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2013 - 3:17 PM ET #80

    preach on buddy lets crush some coll bball
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    preach on buddy lets crush some coll bball
     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2013 - 3:24 PM ET #81

    Quote Originally Posted by thorpe:



    What you are saying is called the "Gamblers Fallacy".  And it is called that for a reason.
     
     
     
     
    Sports betting is not like playing VLT's or buying a lottery ticket.
     
    first off...........NO ONE has ever become a professional VLT player. Why is that? The reason is... the results are based on 100% complete utter randomness. A white noise generator that spits out numbers. The fallacy you speak of usually is talked about during gamblers' anonymous meetings. Buddy hits the jackpot at his local pub playing VLTs one night and he thinks that if he keeps playing routinely he'll hit it again. He thinks that it's ok to lose because eventually he will win.......... fact is, he may never win again in his life. Sports betting does not operate on this premise of RANDOMNESS. 








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    Quote Originally Posted by thorpe:



    What you are saying is called the "Gamblers Fallacy".  And it is called that for a reason.
     
     
     
     
    Sports betting is not like playing VLT's or buying a lottery ticket.
     
    first off...........NO ONE has ever become a professional VLT player. Why is that? The reason is... the results are based on 100% complete utter randomness. A white noise generator that spits out numbers. The fallacy you speak of usually is talked about during gamblers' anonymous meetings. Buddy hits the jackpot at his local pub playing VLTs one night and he thinks that if he keeps playing routinely he'll hit it again. He thinks that it's ok to lose because eventually he will win.......... fact is, he may never win again in his life. Sports betting does not operate on this premise of RANDOMNESS. 








     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2013 - 3:25 PM ET #82

    Quote Originally Posted by Michfan15:

    preach on buddy lets crush some coll bball

    Sounds good Michfan !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michfan15:

    preach on buddy lets crush some coll bball

    Sounds good Michfan !!

     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2013 - 4:03 PM ET #83

    " Deep depression & anger sets in and the chasing begins."

    Hello Alien, first I like to thank you for your time in forwarding this great knowledge to us. Myself already know about how important money management is BUT I still overlook it, especially after a  Great weekend of wins..then comes the downfall and I am stuck chasing..again.

    So yes even after years of betting, we tend to forget the disciplineand fundamentals to earn a profit. 

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    " Deep depression & anger sets in and the chasing begins."

    Hello Alien, first I like to thank you for your time in forwarding this great knowledge to us. Myself already know about how important money management is BUT I still overlook it, especially after a  Great weekend of wins..then comes the downfall and I am stuck chasing..again.

    So yes even after years of betting, we tend to forget the disciplineand fundamentals to earn a profit. 

     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2013 - 4:15 PM ET #84

    I was playing 20-30 games a week, always seemed like I was chasing to get ahead...now I play 6-8 games a week and im doing a hell of a lot better. Plus you get the strong urge to parlay games you feel are so called, "locks". That was definitely something difficult to stop.

    You win some, you lose some, just be smart with it and get greedy. Its a hobby and that's what people have to get thru their heads.

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    I was playing 20-30 games a week, always seemed like I was chasing to get ahead...now I play 6-8 games a week and im doing a hell of a lot better. Plus you get the strong urge to parlay games you feel are so called, "locks". That was definitely something difficult to stop.

    You win some, you lose some, just be smart with it and get greedy. Its a hobby and that's what people have to get thru their heads.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2013 - 4:17 PM ET #85

    Quote Originally Posted by Howell83:

    I was playing 20-30 games a week, always seemed like I was chasing to get ahead...now I play 6-8 games a week and im doing a hell of a lot better. Plus you get the strong urge to parlay games you feel are so called, "locks". That was definitely something difficult to stop.

    You win some, you lose some, just be smart with it and get greedy. Its a hobby and that's what people have to get thru their heads.

    don't get greedy....haha.... subconscious was talking!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howell83:

    I was playing 20-30 games a week, always seemed like I was chasing to get ahead...now I play 6-8 games a week and im doing a hell of a lot better. Plus you get the strong urge to parlay games you feel are so called, "locks". That was definitely something difficult to stop.

    You win some, you lose some, just be smart with it and get greedy. Its a hobby and that's what people have to get thru their heads.

    don't get greedy....haha.... subconscious was talking!
     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2013 - 5:05 PM ET #86

    Long term success comes down to a few simple things, ALL based on DISCIPLINED MONEY MANAGEMENT:

    1--Establish a unit, and stick with it....bet the same on every game....

    2--Don't bet too many games, and especially don't take games just for entertainment (unless you are just doing this for fun)

    3--Don't Parlay....go ahead and buy a lottery ticket if you are trying to hit it big with little risk..

    4--Learn to handicap your own games, and trust your instinct...If you don't have time to learn about what you are betting on, you shouldn't be betting serious $ on it anyway.

    5--Understand that it's a marathon and not a sprint....every sucessful sports gambler I know realizes there will be good weeks and bad weeks, but consistent sucess is realized over seasons, not game to game....

    Great thread...

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    Long term success comes down to a few simple things, ALL based on DISCIPLINED MONEY MANAGEMENT:

    1--Establish a unit, and stick with it....bet the same on every game....

    2--Don't bet too many games, and especially don't take games just for entertainment (unless you are just doing this for fun)

    3--Don't Parlay....go ahead and buy a lottery ticket if you are trying to hit it big with little risk..

    4--Learn to handicap your own games, and trust your instinct...If you don't have time to learn about what you are betting on, you shouldn't be betting serious $ on it anyway.

    5--Understand that it's a marathon and not a sprint....every sucessful sports gambler I know realizes there will be good weeks and bad weeks, but consistent sucess is realized over seasons, not game to game....

    Great thread...

     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2013 - 5:13 PM ET #87

    Quote Originally Posted by Beechernic:

    The ebbs and flows of wagering only ever get highlighted when you start writing every wager down in a book/journal.   When I look back at this (VERY FORTUNATE) season, I can see the following:

    Weeks 3 & 4 - 60%.       Week 5 - 40%.    Week 6 - 80%.    Week 7 - 100%,     Week 8 - 33%.     Etc.....

    But staying the course at $25-30 a game keeps me above board.  How easy would it be to let my hair down and bet $100-200 a game in week 8??????   EASY!!!!, (after weeks 6-7, ha)  but, wow, 7 weeks of investing in my tv, the internet, team pages, etc... would have been gone!!!


    your smart like you said you would have lost your profit 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beechernic:

    The ebbs and flows of wagering only ever get highlighted when you start writing every wager down in a book/journal.   When I look back at this (VERY FORTUNATE) season, I can see the following:

    Weeks 3 & 4 - 60%.       Week 5 - 40%.    Week 6 - 80%.    Week 7 - 100%,     Week 8 - 33%.     Etc.....

    But staying the course at $25-30 a game keeps me above board.  How easy would it be to let my hair down and bet $100-200 a game in week 8??????   EASY!!!!, (after weeks 6-7, ha)  but, wow, 7 weeks of investing in my tv, the internet, team pages, etc... would have been gone!!!


    your smart like you said you would have lost your profit 
     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2013 - 5:44 PM ET #88

    "Sports betting does not operate on this premise of RANDOMNESS. "

    If Sports Betting is not random, then if you lose 10 games in a row, your chances of winning the 11th game is a lot less than 50%.  I agree you will eventually win a game, but if you are paying -110 juice, there is no reason to keep gambling.

    If it is random, the chance of winning the 11th game is the same as the chance of winning the first game, so if you bet on the first game you may as well bet on the 11th.

    Gamblers Fallacy is not that you won once so you can win again.  It is when you think that because you have lost so many times you are due for a win streak to "get back to even".  AKA, when you invoked the "Law of Averages".  

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    "Sports betting does not operate on this premise of RANDOMNESS. "

    If Sports Betting is not random, then if you lose 10 games in a row, your chances of winning the 11th game is a lot less than 50%.  I agree you will eventually win a game, but if you are paying -110 juice, there is no reason to keep gambling.

    If it is random, the chance of winning the 11th game is the same as the chance of winning the first game, so if you bet on the first game you may as well bet on the 11th.

    Gamblers Fallacy is not that you won once so you can win again.  It is when you think that because you have lost so many times you are due for a win streak to "get back to even".  AKA, when you invoked the "Law of Averages".  

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thorpe:

    "Sports betting does not operate on this premise of RANDOMNESS. "

    If Sports Betting is not random, then if you lose 10 games in a row, your chances of winning the 11th game is a lot less than 50%.  I agree you will eventually win a game, but if you are paying -110 juice, there is no reason to keep gambling.

    If it is random, the chance of winning the 11th game is the same as the chance of winning the first game, so if you bet on the first game you may as well bet on the 11th.

    Gamblers Fallacy is not that you won once so you can win again.  It is when you think that because you have lost so many times you are due for a win streak to "get back to even".  AKA, when you invoked the "Law of Averages".  

    Thorpe.....you have a very skewed view of just what the GAMBLERS FALLACY is. I am not going to try and force my opinion on you here. I am a professional gambler and have been for years....I know what I'm talking about !!

     Its obvious you truly don't understand what you're talking about if you think sports betting is based on randomness and is akin to VLT playing.

    I wish you all the best......good luck with your betting endeavours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thorpe:

    "Sports betting does not operate on this premise of RANDOMNESS. "

    If Sports Betting is not random, then if you lose 10 games in a row, your chances of winning the 11th game is a lot less than 50%.  I agree you will eventually win a game, but if you are paying -110 juice, there is no reason to keep gambling.

    If it is random, the chance of winning the 11th game is the same as the chance of winning the first game, so if you bet on the first game you may as well bet on the 11th.

    Gamblers Fallacy is not that you won once so you can win again.  It is when you think that because you have lost so many times you are due for a win streak to "get back to even".  AKA, when you invoked the "Law of Averages".  

    Thorpe.....you have a very skewed view of just what the GAMBLERS FALLACY is. I am not going to try and force my opinion on you here. I am a professional gambler and have been for years....I know what I'm talking about !!

     Its obvious you truly don't understand what you're talking about if you think sports betting is based on randomness and is akin to VLT playing.

    I wish you all the best......good luck with your betting endeavours.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thorpe:

    "Sports betting does not operate on this premise of RANDOMNESS. "

    If Sports Betting is not random, then if you lose 10 games in a row, your chances of winning the 11th game is a lot less than 50%.  I agree you will eventually win a game, but if you are paying -110 juice, there is no reason to keep gambling.

    If it is random, the chance of winning the 11th game is the same as the chance of winning the first game, so if you bet on the first game you may as well bet on the 11th.

    Gamblers Fallacy is not that you won once so you can win again.  It is when you think that because you have lost so many times you are due for a win streak to "get back to even".  AKA, when you invoked the "Law of Averages".  

    When a sports bettor plays a straight up bet.....he has a 50% chance of winning. This holds true for EVERY play he makes whether he makes one bet or 100 bets. When you pull the lever on a VLT or buy a lottery ticket .....YOU DO NOT HAVE A 50% chance to win. There is no discussion here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thorpe:

    "Sports betting does not operate on this premise of RANDOMNESS. "

    If Sports Betting is not random, then if you lose 10 games in a row, your chances of winning the 11th game is a lot less than 50%.  I agree you will eventually win a game, but if you are paying -110 juice, there is no reason to keep gambling.

    If it is random, the chance of winning the 11th game is the same as the chance of winning the first game, so if you bet on the first game you may as well bet on the 11th.

    Gamblers Fallacy is not that you won once so you can win again.  It is when you think that because you have lost so many times you are due for a win streak to "get back to even".  AKA, when you invoked the "Law of Averages".  

    When a sports bettor plays a straight up bet.....he has a 50% chance of winning. This holds true for EVERY play he makes whether he makes one bet or 100 bets. When you pull the lever on a VLT or buy a lottery ticket .....YOU DO NOT HAVE A 50% chance to win. There is no discussion here.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2013 - 7:12 PM ET #91

    Thorpe..............you're trying to apply the theory of say "how many times in a row black will hit on a roulette wheel before red will hit" Believe me I know all the math inside and out..................sports betting doesn't work like that bro.
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    Thorpe..............you're trying to apply the theory of say "how many times in a row black will hit on a roulette wheel before red will hit" Believe me I know all the math inside and out..................sports betting doesn't work like that bro.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2013 - 11:22 PM ET #92

    even though you have a 50% chance of hitting either red or black on the wheel........... the underlying principle cannot be carried over to sports betting.

    What you are describing regarding the "gamblers fallacy" is ultimately the equation of chance/probability.

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    even though you have a 50% chance of hitting either red or black on the wheel........... the underlying principle cannot be carried over to sports betting.

    What you are describing regarding the "gamblers fallacy" is ultimately the equation of chance/probability.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2013 - 11:39 PM ET #93

    I never over bet what I can't afford, (and hitting a few parlays here and there hasn't hurt either!) but betting consistently is the key.  If I lay more on a play I "Love" and lose vs. the 3-4 bets that are regular plays and win doesn't and hasn't paid off in the long run.  Nice thread buddy! 
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    I never over bet what I can't afford, (and hitting a few parlays here and there hasn't hurt either!) but betting consistently is the key.  If I lay more on a play I "Love" and lose vs. the 3-4 bets that are regular plays and win doesn't and hasn't paid off in the long run.  Nice thread buddy! 
     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2013 - 11:52 PM ET #94

    Quote Originally Posted by Alien-1:

    That's right.

    I haven't even touched on the emotional aspect of losing yet. If you cannot accept losing on a regular basis than get out right now,,,,,,,,,,it will ultimately bring you down. Losing is a certainty.....it's part of the whole process to be successful.


    Absolutely. Especially people who are hypercompetitive and more often than not can't go through a day sometimes without exploding because they might have miss read a couple games, even when it's not by much. I hate losing, but it's virtually impossible to expect that it won't happen many times over the course of a season. Just choose your games wiser and watch as much ball as you can. If you got a really good eye for talent, you def have a leg up, especially when you hone in on certain teams!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alien-1:

    That's right.

    I haven't even touched on the emotional aspect of losing yet. If you cannot accept losing on a regular basis than get out right now,,,,,,,,,,it will ultimately bring you down. Losing is a certainty.....it's part of the whole process to be successful.


    Absolutely. Especially people who are hypercompetitive and more often than not can't go through a day sometimes without exploding because they might have miss read a couple games, even when it's not by much. I hate losing, but it's virtually impossible to expect that it won't happen many times over the course of a season. Just choose your games wiser and watch as much ball as you can. If you got a really good eye for talent, you def have a leg up, especially when you hone in on certain teams!
     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2013 - 12:01 AM ET #95

    Youre right bro, I keep saying it myself. Thats why you see a thousand threads a day here about how a team sucks because they emotionally tied to the money they are about to lose. When you bet properly according to your bankroll youre not glued to one specific play.
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    Youre right bro, I keep saying it myself. Thats why you see a thousand threads a day here about how a team sucks because they emotionally tied to the money they are about to lose. When you bet properly according to your bankroll youre not glued to one specific play.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2013 - 12:15 AM ET #96

    Great Thread
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    Great Thread
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oktoberfestlax4:


    Absolutely. Especially people who are hypercompetitive and more often than not can't go through a day sometimes without exploding because they might have miss read a couple games, even when it's not by much. I hate losing, but it's virtually impossible to expect that it won't happen many times over the course of a season. Just choose your games wiser and watch as much ball as you can. If you got a really good eye for talent, you def have a leg up, especially when you hone in on certain teams!

    very good observation Okto.....I agree

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oktoberfestlax4:


    Absolutely. Especially people who are hypercompetitive and more often than not can't go through a day sometimes without exploding because they might have miss read a couple games, even when it's not by much. I hate losing, but it's virtually impossible to expect that it won't happen many times over the course of a season. Just choose your games wiser and watch as much ball as you can. If you got a really good eye for talent, you def have a leg up, especially when you hone in on certain teams!

    very good observation Okto.....I agree

     
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    [124] TEMPLE -8½-110
    [139] DUKE -5-110
    [143] WISCONSIN -15½-110
    [163] ARIZONA STATE -2½-110
    [203] MISSOURI -3-110

    I JUST WANT THOUGHTS ON THESE GAMES
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    [124] TEMPLE -8½-110
    [139] DUKE -5-110
    [143] WISCONSIN -15½-110
    [163] ARIZONA STATE -2½-110
    [203] MISSOURI -3-110

    I JUST WANT THOUGHTS ON THESE GAMES
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by whisperman:

    The key variables in successful sports betting are..The size of bankroll..the season ending profit goal..the number of selections and then a realistic estimate of win proficiency.

    Betting 10 games per week at 1100 a pop will earn 27,200 over course of a 17 game nfl season if you win 60 percent of your plays. by contrast, betting three games per week at 1100 each will earn 15,300 over a full season hitting 67% winners.

    60 percent over a full nfl season is attainable but very optimistic for even the best cappers. 67 percent is virtually impossible over extended years.

    My point being..even if you are a consistent 60 percent capper you will have to bet at least 10 games a week at 1100 a game just to make a very modest living..this of course being over an nfl season only

    Great thread by the way..hopefully will get people thinking about what is really important in making long term profits for fun or real profit..
    60 % consistently...impossible and if anyone tells u they do they are full of sh**!
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    Quote Originally Posted by whisperman:

    The key variables in successful sports betting are..The size of bankroll..the season ending profit goal..the number of selections and then a realistic estimate of win proficiency.

    Betting 10 games per week at 1100 a pop will earn 27,200 over course of a 17 game nfl season if you win 60 percent of your plays. by contrast, betting three games per week at 1100 each will earn 15,300 over a full season hitting 67% winners.

    60 percent over a full nfl season is attainable but very optimistic for even the best cappers. 67 percent is virtually impossible over extended years.

    My point being..even if you are a consistent 60 percent capper you will have to bet at least 10 games a week at 1100 a game just to make a very modest living..this of course being over an nfl season only

    Great thread by the way..hopefully will get people thinking about what is really important in making long term profits for fun or real profit..
    60 % consistently...impossible and if anyone tells u they do they are full of sh**!
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alien-1:

    very good observation Okto.....I agree


    Thanks and very informative thread Alien. Appreciate your thoughtfulness and GL the rest of the year 
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    very good observation Okto.....I agree


    Thanks and very informative thread Alien. Appreciate your thoughtfulness and GL the rest of the year 
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