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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2016 - 9:53 AM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by GoingFor100K:

    I think UGA crushes ULL in Athens.   Uga will be a top 20 team at years end.  ULL is nothing special

    They just played a highschool team called Morehouse (won by 14) and Furman (won by 6).  I don't consider those "Crushes", so why would you expect them to Crush (8-2) ULL?  It's gambling so anything can happen, but I like the +9.5 points in this spot.

    Last night S. Alabama was a 7 point favorite and some people thought they would crush Denver.  I said I thought Denver could win the game.  Denver ended up crushing S. Alabama.  I see this game very similar, but I could be wrong.  Won't be the first time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoingFor100K:

    I think UGA crushes ULL in Athens.   Uga will be a top 20 team at years end.  ULL is nothing special

    They just played a highschool team called Morehouse (won by 14) and Furman (won by 6).  I don't consider those "Crushes", so why would you expect them to Crush (8-2) ULL?  It's gambling so anything can happen, but I like the +9.5 points in this spot.

    Last night S. Alabama was a 7 point favorite and some people thought they would crush Denver.  I said I thought Denver could win the game.  Denver ended up crushing S. Alabama.  I see this game very similar, but I could be wrong.  Won't be the first time.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2016 - 9:56 AM ET #27

    Quote Originally Posted by betallwinners:


    St. Joe beat Princeton last year 62-50.  I cannot figure what has changed in the past year that will allow Princeton to cover a 21 point difference as a 8.5 point favorite this time around.  

    Princeton does not have one quality win and St. Joe has beaten (6-3) Miss and (9-2) Loyola IL and they beat another Ivy league team Columbia by 20,  I may be wrong, but a 21 point swing in a year is pretty tough task.

    What happened last year is irrelevant. You are much better off looking at what that spread was and comparing. That argument is very simplistic and will lose you a ton of money. Teams get ran out of the gym all the time. Remember last year when Nova got pounded by 20 something by one of those Big East teams and then came back and beat them by double digits later in the season? That was in the same season, much less a year later. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by betallwinners:


    St. Joe beat Princeton last year 62-50.  I cannot figure what has changed in the past year that will allow Princeton to cover a 21 point difference as a 8.5 point favorite this time around.  

    Princeton does not have one quality win and St. Joe has beaten (6-3) Miss and (9-2) Loyola IL and they beat another Ivy league team Columbia by 20,  I may be wrong, but a 21 point swing in a year is pretty tough task.

    What happened last year is irrelevant. You are much better off looking at what that spread was and comparing. That argument is very simplistic and will lose you a ton of money. Teams get ran out of the gym all the time. Remember last year when Nova got pounded by 20 something by one of those Big East teams and then came back and beat them by double digits later in the season? That was in the same season, much less a year later. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2016 - 9:58 AM ET #28

    Like the card. Already on mtsu got -3 though. 15pt game in my opinion. Only one I differ is st Joseph but it's a no play for me unless I find something to give more confidence in pick. Had a Princeton lean originally and maybe under. Definitely jumping on middle 1h when out
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    Like the card. Already on mtsu got -3 though. 15pt game in my opinion. Only one I differ is st Joseph but it's a no play for me unless I find something to give more confidence in pick. Had a Princeton lean originally and maybe under. Definitely jumping on middle 1h when out
     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2016 - 10:03 AM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by TPowell:


    What happened last year is irrelevant. You are much better off looking at what that spread was and comparing. That argument is very simplistic and will lose you a ton of money. Teams get ran out of the gym all the time. Remember last year when Nova got pounded by 20 something by one of those Big East teams and then came back and beat them by double digits later in the season? That was in the same season, much less a year later. 

    "Simplistic and will lose you a ton of money."  My simplistic approach is doing pretty well. You should chose your words a little more carefully unless it is your goal to offend people that are working hard to help everyone else. 

    Where can I find the plays you have posted and your record?  Princeton does not score a lot of points so covering almost double digits is not easy for them and both teams have most the same players that played last year when St. Joe won 62-50.  I am losing 1 out of 5 plays, maybe this is one of them. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by TPowell:


    What happened last year is irrelevant. You are much better off looking at what that spread was and comparing. That argument is very simplistic and will lose you a ton of money. Teams get ran out of the gym all the time. Remember last year when Nova got pounded by 20 something by one of those Big East teams and then came back and beat them by double digits later in the season? That was in the same season, much less a year later. 

    "Simplistic and will lose you a ton of money."  My simplistic approach is doing pretty well. You should chose your words a little more carefully unless it is your goal to offend people that are working hard to help everyone else. 

    Where can I find the plays you have posted and your record?  Princeton does not score a lot of points so covering almost double digits is not easy for them and both teams have most the same players that played last year when St. Joe won 62-50.  I am losing 1 out of 5 plays, maybe this is one of them. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2016 - 10:05 AM ET #30

    great job!! this guy is killing it with his own analytics dont argue with that!! post your own plays in your own forum!! how can you say hes wrong before the game is even played, ridiculous,, keep up the good work!!
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    great job!! this guy is killing it with his own analytics dont argue with that!! post your own plays in your own forum!! how can you say hes wrong before the game is even played, ridiculous,, keep up the good work!!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2016 - 10:05 AM ET #31

    I like this dude. We are on the same exact page on 3 of 4. I'm not so sure about Georgia and ull. Goodluck man either way hit the magic 3 of 4 tonight and your good. Goodluck man. Agree on St joes Princeton argument.
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    I like this dude. We are on the same exact page on 3 of 4. I'm not so sure about Georgia and ull. Goodluck man either way hit the magic 3 of 4 tonight and your good. Goodluck man. Agree on St joes Princeton argument.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2016 - 10:20 AM ET #32

    Quote Originally Posted by betallwinners:

    #3. St. Louis and S. Illinois UNDER 135.5

    These team both struggle scoring, especially when they play each other.  In their last games in 2014 and 2015, they scored the following points.

    52-65 (117 points)

    62-59 (121 points)

    In their previous 4 meetings the total points scored was 143, 112, 102 and 103 points.  Only one game in their last 6 would have gotten close to the total of 135.5.

    St. Louis is averaging 52.8 points per game this year and S. Illinois is averaging 66.4 points per game, which adds up to an average total of 119.2 points.

    I like the chances for this game to come in UNDER 135.5.

    I don't where you got your stat info from but I have Saint Louis averaging 61.3 points per game and Southern Illinois averaging 72.4 points per game....


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    Quote Originally Posted by betallwinners:

    #3. St. Louis and S. Illinois UNDER 135.5

    These team both struggle scoring, especially when they play each other.  In their last games in 2014 and 2015, they scored the following points.

    52-65 (117 points)

    62-59 (121 points)

    In their previous 4 meetings the total points scored was 143, 112, 102 and 103 points.  Only one game in their last 6 would have gotten close to the total of 135.5.

    St. Louis is averaging 52.8 points per game this year and S. Illinois is averaging 66.4 points per game, which adds up to an average total of 119.2 points.

    I like the chances for this game to come in UNDER 135.5.

    I don't where you got your stat info from but I have Saint Louis averaging 61.3 points per game and Southern Illinois averaging 72.4 points per game....


     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2016 - 10:21 AM ET #33

    Quote Originally Posted by betallwinners:

    "Simplistic and will lose you a ton of money."  My simplistic approach is doing pretty well. You should chose your words a little more carefully unless it is your goal to offend people that are working hard to help everyone else. 

    Where can I find the plays you have posted and your record?  Princeton does not score a lot of points so covering almost double digits is not easy for them and both teams have most the same players that played last year when St. Joe won 62-50.  I am losing 1 out of 5 plays, maybe this is one of them. 



    LOL, take it easy. Just giving you friendly and basic advice. You can't win in this game betting on the type of stuff you are posting. Sure, you may go on a run for a while maybe even enough to have a decent season but I just think you are headed for disaster unless you are doing something you aren't telling us which you could be. I've been a proven winner for nearly a decade at SBR. Posted played there for many years. Not trying to offend you at all. Just providing some insight
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    Quote Originally Posted by betallwinners:

    "Simplistic and will lose you a ton of money."  My simplistic approach is doing pretty well. You should chose your words a little more carefully unless it is your goal to offend people that are working hard to help everyone else. 

    Where can I find the plays you have posted and your record?  Princeton does not score a lot of points so covering almost double digits is not easy for them and both teams have most the same players that played last year when St. Joe won 62-50.  I am losing 1 out of 5 plays, maybe this is one of them. 



    LOL, take it easy. Just giving you friendly and basic advice. You can't win in this game betting on the type of stuff you are posting. Sure, you may go on a run for a while maybe even enough to have a decent season but I just think you are headed for disaster unless you are doing something you aren't telling us which you could be. I've been a proven winner for nearly a decade at SBR. Posted played there for many years. Not trying to offend you at all. Just providing some insight
     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2016 - 10:22 AM ET #34

    Quote Originally Posted by drupotter:

    great job!! this guy is killing it with his own analytics dont argue with that!! post your own plays in your own forum!! how can you say hes wrong before the game is even played, ridiculous,, keep up the good work!!


    Wouldn't call his way "analytics" but sure. He's wrong before the game starts because he's using faulty logic. Doesn't mean his plays won't win today or tomorrow but over the long haul it isn't going to work more than likely. Quit being so defensive lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by drupotter:

    great job!! this guy is killing it with his own analytics dont argue with that!! post your own plays in your own forum!! how can you say hes wrong before the game is even played, ridiculous,, keep up the good work!!


    Wouldn't call his way "analytics" but sure. He's wrong before the game starts because he's using faulty logic. Doesn't mean his plays won't win today or tomorrow but over the long haul it isn't going to work more than likely. Quit being so defensive lol
     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2016 - 10:29 AM ET #35

    The fact that you didn't see the difference in Princeton/St Joes from last year was part of what I'm talking about. In that game, St Joes had 6 guys play 20+ minutes. 4 of those aren't on the team this year and Demery is 1 of the 2 that are back and he has been out since the first game of the season. On the other side, Princeton has everybody back from last year. Once again, I'm here to provide info and be profitable. I like hearing info from other posters but I like to provide my own just to show you the other side of your logic
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    The fact that you didn't see the difference in Princeton/St Joes from last year was part of what I'm talking about. In that game, St Joes had 6 guys play 20+ minutes. 4 of those aren't on the team this year and Demery is 1 of the 2 that are back and he has been out since the first game of the season. On the other side, Princeton has everybody back from last year. Once again, I'm here to provide info and be profitable. I like hearing info from other posters but I like to provide my own just to show you the other side of your logic
     
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    [Quote: Originally Posted by TPowell] The fact that you didn't see the difference in Princeton/St Joes from last year was part of what I'm talking about. In that game, St Joes had 6 guys play 20+ minutes. 4 of those aren't on the team this year and Demery is 1 of the 2 that are back and he has been out since the first game of the season. On the other side, Princeton has everybody back from last year. Once again, I'm here to provide info and be profitable. I like hearing info from other posters but I like to provide my own just to show you the other side of your logic [/Quote

    Smart guy.... St.joes have a whole different team.. Princeton have the same team from LY....Princeton in a DD win.
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    [Quote: Originally Posted by TPowell] The fact that you didn't see the difference in Princeton/St Joes from last year was part of what I'm talking about. In that game, St Joes had 6 guys play 20+ minutes. 4 of those aren't on the team this year and Demery is 1 of the 2 that are back and he has been out since the first game of the season. On the other side, Princeton has everybody back from last year. Once again, I'm here to provide info and be profitable. I like hearing info from other posters but I like to provide my own just to show you the other side of your logic [/Quote

    Smart guy.... St.joes have a whole different team.. Princeton have the same team from LY....Princeton in a DD win.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2016 - 10:32 AM ET #37

    Quote Originally Posted by betallwinners:

    They just played a highschool team called Morehouse (won by 14) and Furman (won by 6).  I don't consider those "Crushes", so why would you expect them to Crush (8-2) ULL?  It's gambling so anything can happen, but I like the +9.5 points in this spot.

    Last night S. Alabama was a 7 point favorite and some people thought they would crush Denver.  I said I thought Denver could win the game.  Denver ended up crushing S. Alabama.  I see this game very similar, but I could be wrong.  Won't be the first time.


    Georgia also beat a solid and similar Asheville team by 14 at home and George Washington by 8 on a neutral floor. Lafayette was impressive against LT in a game I thought they may fall on their face but their schedule has been full of cupcakes. Hard to gauge if they are really that good and I have my doubts. Thinking I'll be on Georgia for something but not a strong play 
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    Quote Originally Posted by betallwinners:

    They just played a highschool team called Morehouse (won by 14) and Furman (won by 6).  I don't consider those "Crushes", so why would you expect them to Crush (8-2) ULL?  It's gambling so anything can happen, but I like the +9.5 points in this spot.

    Last night S. Alabama was a 7 point favorite and some people thought they would crush Denver.  I said I thought Denver could win the game.  Denver ended up crushing S. Alabama.  I see this game very similar, but I could be wrong.  Won't be the first time.


    Georgia also beat a solid and similar Asheville team by 14 at home and George Washington by 8 on a neutral floor. Lafayette was impressive against LT in a game I thought they may fall on their face but their schedule has been full of cupcakes. Hard to gauge if they are really that good and I have my doubts. Thinking I'll be on Georgia for something but not a strong play 
     
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    BOL  BAW, input & write ups much appreciated 
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    BOL  BAW, input & write ups much appreciated 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2016 - 10:57 AM ET #39

    Wow this guy is a BEAST!!! ???? Good job BETALLWINNERS
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    Wow this guy is a BEAST!!! ???? Good job BETALLWINNERS
     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2016 - 11:28 AM ET #40

    Thanks Betallwiners 
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2016 - 11:54 AM ET #41

    Betallwinners, don't mind the trolls like tpowell, I don't know where he is seeing your "flawed" system, cause I've been raking since I started following your threads, and much appreciated the info your giving out, keep doing what your doing, I'll gladly follow
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    Betallwinners, don't mind the trolls like tpowell, I don't know where he is seeing your "flawed" system, cause I've been raking since I started following your threads, and much appreciated the info your giving out, keep doing what your doing, I'll gladly follow
     
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    Best of luck tonight 
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2016 - 12:51 PM ET #43

    Quote Originally Posted by RGBRGB:


    I tend to look at the past 5 games...to account for injuries and early season patsies.

    SLU
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    41.3
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    73.0
    44.3
    45.5
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    Quote Originally Posted by RGBRGB:


    I tend to look at the past 5 games...to account for injuries and early season patsies.

    SLU
    SIU
    52.8
    66.4
    35.7
    41.3
    25.4
    25.0
    67.1
    67.3
    30.2
    29.6
    DefAgaFG%3P%FT%Reb
    SLU
    SIU
    66.4
    73.0
    44.3
    45.5
    36.7
    33.7
    65.1
    64.2
    33.0
    36.0
     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2016 - 1:03 PM ET #44

    Betall fellow Texan here, I sent friend request just to find your posts easier. No service here.
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    Betall fellow Texan here, I sent friend request just to find your posts easier. No service here.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2016 - 1:17 PM ET #45

    Quote Originally Posted by betallwinners:


    Don't mind at all......Dallas/Ft. Worth Texas area

    Warlord, I have a question. Since I have started posting I have gotten 7 or 8 friend requests.  I have not accepted them, because I am not sure why people make friend requests.  I told one large Player nice job on a large winning day and got a friend request from him.  This was before I started posting and was still just feeling my way around the Covers Site.  Now that I am posting and winning I have gotten several friend requests.  My assumption is that once someone get's your email address you will start getting emails with offers from Tout Services. What other reasons are there for becoming friends on Covers. Do you have any opinions or recommendations on accepting friend requests?

    Thanks!

    I was wanting to know where you were from because you are so good at this. Now I was thinking you were my be from the East coast,basketball country. I live in Dothan,Al. and have been watching cappers and following for years. They seem to come and go,win a lot then lose a lot. When they start losing,thats when the as-holes attack them and they leave. I love your system of going through the thinking process and defining the situation between the teams and then it happens just like you said it would.

     I just don't want to lose contact with someone with the skill level you have and good nature in sharing like you do. That's why people want to befriend you cause we don't want to lose you. But really you need to write a capping book, it would sell my friend.

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    Don't mind at all......Dallas/Ft. Worth Texas area

    Warlord, I have a question. Since I have started posting I have gotten 7 or 8 friend requests.  I have not accepted them, because I am not sure why people make friend requests.  I told one large Player nice job on a large winning day and got a friend request from him.  This was before I started posting and was still just feeling my way around the Covers Site.  Now that I am posting and winning I have gotten several friend requests.  My assumption is that once someone get's your email address you will start getting emails with offers from Tout Services. What other reasons are there for becoming friends on Covers. Do you have any opinions or recommendations on accepting friend requests?

    Thanks!

    I was wanting to know where you were from because you are so good at this. Now I was thinking you were my be from the East coast,basketball country. I live in Dothan,Al. and have been watching cappers and following for years. They seem to come and go,win a lot then lose a lot. When they start losing,thats when the as-holes attack them and they leave. I love your system of going through the thinking process and defining the situation between the teams and then it happens just like you said it would.

     I just don't want to lose contact with someone with the skill level you have and good nature in sharing like you do. That's why people want to befriend you cause we don't want to lose you. But really you need to write a capping book, it would sell my friend.

     
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    Betallwinners ,I've been looking at your work for a min now and its very impressive ,don't argue with these clowns about what YOU think its gonna happen and teams you pick. That's why its called gambling  ,someone is gonna win and some is gonna lose and that's just it my friend, but ylthe results in your win column speak for themselves and you don't have to explain yourself to nobody. Man keep up the good work and keep getting me this Xmas money lol
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    Betallwinners ,I've been looking at your work for a min now and its very impressive ,don't argue with these clowns about what YOU think its gonna happen and teams you pick. That's why its called gambling  ,someone is gonna win and some is gonna lose and that's just it my friend, but ylthe results in your win column speak for themselves and you don't have to explain yourself to nobody. Man keep up the good work and keep getting me this Xmas money lol
     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2016 - 1:26 PM ET #47

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    LOL, take it easy. Just giving you friendly and basic advice. You can't win in this game betting on the type of stuff you are posting. Sure, you may go on a run for a while maybe even enough to have a decent season but I just think you are headed for disaster unless you are doing something you aren't telling us which you could be. I've been a proven winner for nearly a decade at SBR. Posted played there for many years. Not trying to offend you at all. Just providing some insight
    Dude go away please. No one here cares about your insight or logic. It is very comical that you tell Beallwinner that he can't win doing like he is doing it. He wins everyday,sure he will miss some but not many. So please leave or just shut the h-ll up and follow and make money. I think that you are seeking attendtion,go elsewhere to get it.
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    LOL, take it easy. Just giving you friendly and basic advice. You can't win in this game betting on the type of stuff you are posting. Sure, you may go on a run for a while maybe even enough to have a decent season but I just think you are headed for disaster unless you are doing something you aren't telling us which you could be. I've been a proven winner for nearly a decade at SBR. Posted played there for many years. Not trying to offend you at all. Just providing some insight
    Dude go away please. No one here cares about your insight or logic. It is very comical that you tell Beallwinner that he can't win doing like he is doing it. He wins everyday,sure he will miss some but not many. So please leave or just shut the h-ll up and follow and make money. I think that you are seeking attendtion,go elsewhere to get it.
     
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    I, as always, appreciate those (betallwinners) that are generous enough to share their insight and expertise to make this more fun and "profitable." I also respect those that provide reasonable and diplomatic arguments that may oppose some selections. Please consider this analogy. I taught golf for a living for many years and the last thing I would ever do is jack with someones swing if they were hitting that produces good shots. Yes, I may be able to build you a swing that looks better but, am I going to take a risk that is going to jeopardize the desired results? Bottom line...."if it ain't broke don't fix it." Keep doing what your doing betall!
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    I, as always, appreciate those (betallwinners) that are generous enough to share their insight and expertise to make this more fun and "profitable." I also respect those that provide reasonable and diplomatic arguments that may oppose some selections. Please consider this analogy. I taught golf for a living for many years and the last thing I would ever do is jack with someones swing if they were hitting that produces good shots. Yes, I may be able to build you a swing that looks better but, am I going to take a risk that is going to jeopardize the desired results? Bottom line...."if it ain't broke don't fix it." Keep doing what your doing betall!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2016 - 1:28 PM ET #49

    Thanks fellas for the true conversations
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2016 - 1:56 PM ET #50

    Quote Originally Posted by pederson16:


    st joes has NOT played a tougher schedule by far...actually, not tougher at all... 

    princeton is rated 68th in Off EFF and 71st in Def Eff, while playing the 31st most difficult schedule....St Joes is significantly worse at both at 140 and 128 respectively against the 83rd strength of schedule...princeton grinds you down with their offense and makes you defend for 20+ seconds on avg...st joes may be competitive early but I have princeton winning comfortably in the end. g'luck on your play 
    Maybe you are right for a change but your "Tank' jobs are second to none
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    st joes has NOT played a tougher schedule by far...actually, not tougher at all... 

    princeton is rated 68th in Off EFF and 71st in Def Eff, while playing the 31st most difficult schedule....St Joes is significantly worse at both at 140 and 128 respectively against the 83rd strength of schedule...princeton grinds you down with their offense and makes you defend for 20+ seconds on avg...st joes may be competitive early but I have princeton winning comfortably in the end. g'luck on your play 
    Maybe you are right for a change but your "Tank' jobs are second to none
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