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    JFen31
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    Posted: Dec. 22, 2014 - 12:45 AM ET #1

    Been posting plays elsewhere, but haven't done any writeups in a long time. Felt like spewing some nonsense, and this seemed like the appropriate place.

    Underdogs typically dominate this day every year. I recall two years ago having my best day of the season on this particular day. You'll notice a consistent theme - players want to get home for Christmas. The books have gotten better at adjusting, but some of these still look a little heavy. 

    Northern Illinois +18.5
    I'm a big fan of fading teams who just played their "best" game. Notre Dame started slow, but kicked it into high gear in the middle of the first half and mopped the floor with Purdue. That was an important game in a big-time environment with all four schools (Indiana, Butler) bringing major fan turnout. Now, they turn around 48 hours later for a game with a mid-pack MAC team in a half-empty building. Like many private schools, ND relies heavily on student support to fill its gym. Most of the students are not from the area and have already gone home for break. The players will be heading home after the game for a four-day layoff with their families. NIU is no world-beater, but they compete their a$$es off, and Montgomery is an Izzo disciple who demands constant effort. They'll bang the crap out of the offensive glass (41.9%, 9th in the country) and catch an ND team that doesn't put any pressure on the ball (NIU turns it over a ton). IF ND carries over its hot shooting, this one might be a rout, but I'll take my chances with the spot and a hopefully lax Irish squad.

    Tennessee-Martin +16.5
    Similar theme here, though Butler is off a loss on Saturday in a tremendously intense, physical, and exhilarating with in-state rival Indiana. While the Dawgs have traditionally responded well after losses, it's hard to envision an optimal effort here 48+ hours removed from a draining effort in their most highly-anticipated non-conference game. Meanwhile, UT-Martin looks like a totally different team from what we've seen the past several years. Schroyer is an excellent coach, but even the most optimistic observer would have been hard-pressed to see him turning it around this quickly. The Myles Taylor injury hurts, but DeVille Smith (former UNLV starter) is doing an excellent job running the point and he's surrounding by a cast of upperclassmen (12th oldest team in the country). Only thing holding me back from making this a bigger play is that it's the fourth game in seven days for UTM.

    Dartmouth +8.5
    Dartmouth ML +400
    Not a lot to say here. Hoped to get 10+, but I've been looking for a spot to fade Penn State and this should be it. Chambers in doing a helluva job and has accumulated a good deal of talent. He's got long-standing Philly ties (he was Jay Wright's top assistant at nOVA for years) and has cultivated those relationships in order to bring in legitimate B1G kids. That said, this group is in uncharted waters right now. At 11-1, they've already set a school record for non-conference victories and only lowly Dartmouth stands between them and a full week of adulation from friends and family at home. Problem is, this Dartmouth team is a rather uncomfortable opponent. They refuse to be sped up (#335 tempo) and run a methodical offense through a legitimately skilled, Euro-style big man (Maldunas). They've played a dogsh*t schedule, but this will be the "super bowl" of their non-conference slate. I'd be shocked if there's more than 3,000 people inside the Bryce Jordan Center (capacity: 20,000). Place will be a morgue. Combine that with Dartmouth's style, and Penn State might be in for a grinder.

    East Tennessee State +19
    I'm always hesitant to fade VCU at the Siegel Center, but exceptions can always be made. Couple things to point out here. First, that win over Cincy on Saturday afternoon was gigantic. This team badly needed a signature road win, and VCU not only got its win, but played a fantastic all-around game in the process. They banged home 15 (!!!) of 31 threes, and stifled the anemic Cincy "offense" at the other end of the floor. Shaka's offenses are always reliant on the three-ball, but this was impressive even by their standards. Like many other heavily-favored home teams playing tomorrow night, I question the level of focus here, especially after a dominant win on the road against a high-quality opponent just two days ago. For ETSU, their game plan is pretty simple. They'll sit back in a zone and let VCU bomb away from deep. Of course, this can two ways: either VCU's hot shooting carries over from Saturday, or the numbers even out and the Rams fire up a bunch of ill-advised scud missiles. At the other end, ETSU has a slew of ballhandlers to deal with the VCU press (40th fewest turnovers in the country) and have had nearly a full week to prep for Havoc.  ETSU's interior defense is awful, but VCU should be content to bomb away from the perimeter. Oddly enough, ETSU was the opponent two years ago when Troy Daniels buried 11 threes in a single game. Not relevant, just thought it was interesting. 




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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    Been posting plays elsewhere, but haven't done any writeups in a long time. Felt like spewing some nonsense, and this seemed like the appropriate place.

    Underdogs typically dominate this day every year. I recall two years ago having my best day of the season on this particular day. You'll notice a consistent theme - players want to get home for Christmas. The books have gotten better at adjusting, but some of these still look a little heavy. 

    Northern Illinois +18.5
    I'm a big fan of fading teams who just played their "best" game. Notre Dame started slow, but kicked it into high gear in the middle of the first half and mopped the floor with Purdue. That was an important game in a big-time environment with all four schools (Indiana, Butler) bringing major fan turnout. Now, they turn around 48 hours later for a game with a mid-pack MAC team in a half-empty building. Like many private schools, ND relies heavily on student support to fill its gym. Most of the students are not from the area and have already gone home for break. The players will be heading home after the game for a four-day layoff with their families. NIU is no world-beater, but they compete their a$$es off, and Montgomery is an Izzo disciple who demands constant effort. They'll bang the crap out of the offensive glass (41.9%, 9th in the country) and catch an ND team that doesn't put any pressure on the ball (NIU turns it over a ton). IF ND carries over its hot shooting, this one might be a rout, but I'll take my chances with the spot and a hopefully lax Irish squad.

    Tennessee-Martin +16.5
    Similar theme here, though Butler is off a loss on Saturday in a tremendously intense, physical, and exhilarating with in-state rival Indiana. While the Dawgs have traditionally responded well after losses, it's hard to envision an optimal effort here 48+ hours removed from a draining effort in their most highly-anticipated non-conference game. Meanwhile, UT-Martin looks like a totally different team from what we've seen the past several years. Schroyer is an excellent coach, but even the most optimistic observer would have been hard-pressed to see him turning it around this quickly. The Myles Taylor injury hurts, but DeVille Smith (former UNLV starter) is doing an excellent job running the point and he's surrounding by a cast of upperclassmen (12th oldest team in the country). Only thing holding me back from making this a bigger play is that it's the fourth game in seven days for UTM.

    Dartmouth +8.5
    Dartmouth ML +400
    Not a lot to say here. Hoped to get 10+, but I've been looking for a spot to fade Penn State and this should be it. Chambers in doing a helluva job and has accumulated a good deal of talent. He's got long-standing Philly ties (he was Jay Wright's top assistant at nOVA for years) and has cultivated those relationships in order to bring in legitimate B1G kids. That said, this group is in uncharted waters right now. At 11-1, they've already set a school record for non-conference victories and only lowly Dartmouth stands between them and a full week of adulation from friends and family at home. Problem is, this Dartmouth team is a rather uncomfortable opponent. They refuse to be sped up (#335 tempo) and run a methodical offense through a legitimately skilled, Euro-style big man (Maldunas). They've played a dogsh*t schedule, but this will be the "super bowl" of their non-conference slate. I'd be shocked if there's more than 3,000 people inside the Bryce Jordan Center (capacity: 20,000). Place will be a morgue. Combine that with Dartmouth's style, and Penn State might be in for a grinder.

    East Tennessee State +19
    I'm always hesitant to fade VCU at the Siegel Center, but exceptions can always be made. Couple things to point out here. First, that win over Cincy on Saturday afternoon was gigantic. This team badly needed a signature road win, and VCU not only got its win, but played a fantastic all-around game in the process. They banged home 15 (!!!) of 31 threes, and stifled the anemic Cincy "offense" at the other end of the floor. Shaka's offenses are always reliant on the three-ball, but this was impressive even by their standards. Like many other heavily-favored home teams playing tomorrow night, I question the level of focus here, especially after a dominant win on the road against a high-quality opponent just two days ago. For ETSU, their game plan is pretty simple. They'll sit back in a zone and let VCU bomb away from deep. Of course, this can two ways: either VCU's hot shooting carries over from Saturday, or the numbers even out and the Rams fire up a bunch of ill-advised scud missiles. At the other end, ETSU has a slew of ballhandlers to deal with the VCU press (40th fewest turnovers in the country) and have had nearly a full week to prep for Havoc.  ETSU's interior defense is awful, but VCU should be content to bomb away from the perimeter. Oddly enough, ETSU was the opponent two years ago when Troy Daniels buried 11 threes in a single game. Not relevant, just thought it was interesting. 




     
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    Posted: Dec. 22, 2014 - 12:45 AM ET #2

    Others (waiting for better lines):

    -FAU catches EKU in the ultimate let-down spot. I gladly played the Colonels in a great matchup at Miami on Friday, but this is a totally different set of circumstances. That win was EKU's biggest in a long, long time, and now they travel up the road to meet a far less exciting opponent. FAU shuts down the perimeter (26.0 % 3pt, fewest three attempts allowed in the country), which is where EKU gets quite literally all of its offense.

    -Temple looks pretty mediocre thus far, but this should change rather quickly as they assimilate Jesse Morgan (UMASS transfer, All-A10 player) and Devon Coleman (Clemson transfer) into the lineup. Morgan started the other night at Delaware and scored 16 in his debut, and his presence allows Dunphy to return to his preferred 3-guard attack. Cummings and DeCosey are experienced all-conference players who should be able to go toe-to-toe with the KU guards, though I admittedly have concerns about the TU frontcourt. Jaylen Bond (Texas transfer) needs to have a really, really big game. Owls always seem to play well at the Wells Fargo Center against powerhouse programs. Upset possibility here. 

    -UCONN has already lost to one Ivy League team, and it could happen against on Monday night. You already know aboutColumbia: methodical, disciplined, and led by a legitimate guard (Maudo Lo, German national team). He'll have his hands full with Boatright, but this UCONN offense is hideous in the halfcourt, and as a national audience saw in the Columbia/Kentucky game, Columbia absolutely refuses to get beat in transition. This should be a real grinder, and UCONN should be very, very wary of this Columbia team. Additionally, it looks like Terrance Samuel may be out.

    -GW has had eight days to stew over its poor effort in Happy Valley, and Lonergan is, in my opinion, the best tactician in the A-10. He's had more than a week to prep for this Ohio team, which made a pit stop in Evansville, Indiana for a game Thursday night on its way out to Hawaii for this tournament. I'm admittedly a little unsure what to make of this Ohio squad, as Phillips works on incorporating his principles that worked so well at North Dakota State. I do know that Lonergan will at times deploy the GW 1-3-1, which may present a problem for an OU team that doesn't really get to the free throw line. Not sure I'm willing to lay 7.5, but hopefully the line drops by tip-off.

    I'm also interested in UCSB, Providence/Miami under, and the Wofford/WVU under.

    Ignore the millions of typos.

    Discussions welcomed.


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    Others (waiting for better lines):

    -FAU catches EKU in the ultimate let-down spot. I gladly played the Colonels in a great matchup at Miami on Friday, but this is a totally different set of circumstances. That win was EKU's biggest in a long, long time, and now they travel up the road to meet a far less exciting opponent. FAU shuts down the perimeter (26.0 % 3pt, fewest three attempts allowed in the country), which is where EKU gets quite literally all of its offense.

    -Temple looks pretty mediocre thus far, but this should change rather quickly as they assimilate Jesse Morgan (UMASS transfer, All-A10 player) and Devon Coleman (Clemson transfer) into the lineup. Morgan started the other night at Delaware and scored 16 in his debut, and his presence allows Dunphy to return to his preferred 3-guard attack. Cummings and DeCosey are experienced all-conference players who should be able to go toe-to-toe with the KU guards, though I admittedly have concerns about the TU frontcourt. Jaylen Bond (Texas transfer) needs to have a really, really big game. Owls always seem to play well at the Wells Fargo Center against powerhouse programs. Upset possibility here. 

    -UCONN has already lost to one Ivy League team, and it could happen against on Monday night. You already know aboutColumbia: methodical, disciplined, and led by a legitimate guard (Maudo Lo, German national team). He'll have his hands full with Boatright, but this UCONN offense is hideous in the halfcourt, and as a national audience saw in the Columbia/Kentucky game, Columbia absolutely refuses to get beat in transition. This should be a real grinder, and UCONN should be very, very wary of this Columbia team. Additionally, it looks like Terrance Samuel may be out.

    -GW has had eight days to stew over its poor effort in Happy Valley, and Lonergan is, in my opinion, the best tactician in the A-10. He's had more than a week to prep for this Ohio team, which made a pit stop in Evansville, Indiana for a game Thursday night on its way out to Hawaii for this tournament. I'm admittedly a little unsure what to make of this Ohio squad, as Phillips works on incorporating his principles that worked so well at North Dakota State. I do know that Lonergan will at times deploy the GW 1-3-1, which may present a problem for an OU team that doesn't really get to the free throw line. Not sure I'm willing to lay 7.5, but hopefully the line drops by tip-off.

    I'm also interested in UCSB, Providence/Miami under, and the Wofford/WVU under.

    Ignore the millions of typos.

    Discussions welcomed.


     
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    Posted: Dec. 22, 2014 - 2:05 AM ET #3

    on a couple and like that fau play , will watch the line as well. 

    Thanks and good luck  
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    on a couple and like that fau play , will watch the line as well. 

    Thanks and good luck  
     
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    Posted: Dec. 22, 2014 - 3:17 AM ET #4

    What u think about Wisconsin. That temple play scares me
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    What u think about Wisconsin. That temple play scares me
     
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    Posted: Dec. 22, 2014 - 3:18 AM ET #5

    so... you like columbia right? not uconn, but waiting for the line to get better?
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    so... you like columbia right? not uconn, but waiting for the line to get better?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 22, 2014 - 3:51 AM ET #6

    What do you think about the Ohio Bobcats?
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    What do you think about the Ohio Bobcats?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 22, 2014 - 5:05 AM ET #7

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    I like your angle JFen! Good luck today! 
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    I like your angle JFen! Good luck today! 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 22, 2014 - 7:00 AM ET #9

    Miami, OH +24? 

    I do like that Dartmouth play!!


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    Miami, OH +24? 

    I do like that Dartmouth play!!


     
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    Posted: Dec. 22, 2014 - 10:38 AM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by So_Wavy:

    What u think about Wisconsin. That temple play scares me

    No opinion. I'd give the Bears a look if Jabari Bird was playing, but I'm not sure they can match Sconnie's firepower with him out of the lineup. 



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    Quote Originally Posted by So_Wavy:

    What u think about Wisconsin. That temple play scares me

    No opinion. I'd give the Bears a look if Jabari Bird was playing, but I'm not sure they can match Sconnie's firepower with him out of the lineup. 



     
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    Posted: Dec. 22, 2014 - 10:49 AM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by JROCK1966:

    Miami, OH +24? 

    I do like that Dartmouth play!!



    Thought about 'em. Gut says Ohio State is still groggy from the UNC game in Chicago. Doubt the focus level is 100% right now. That said, this is Matta's most explosive offensive team in awhile, and Miami OH just can't hang onto the ball. 

    Matta probably pulls back the reigns a bit and wins something like 75-55.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JROCK1966:

    Miami, OH +24? 

    I do like that Dartmouth play!!



    Thought about 'em. Gut says Ohio State is still groggy from the UNC game in Chicago. Doubt the focus level is 100% right now. That said, this is Matta's most explosive offensive team in awhile, and Miami OH just can't hang onto the ball. 

    Matta probably pulls back the reigns a bit and wins something like 75-55.
     
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    Nice seeing you JFen

    BOL today
    Histrionic personality disorder. It's sad
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    Nice seeing you JFen

    BOL today
     
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    Just snagged FAU +5 at my shop...

    Maybe a RAS caused steam on this one? Line sure had drifted.

    Regardless, I would have played FAU at a PK here.. +5 I'll gladly take.
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    Just snagged FAU +5 at my shop...

    Maybe a RAS caused steam on this one? Line sure had drifted.

    Regardless, I would have played FAU at a PK here.. +5 I'll gladly take.
     
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    you're the guy that commented on the 'villa' 'nova' thing correct? already a fan.  this board can be pure entertainment.

    anywho came to discuss notre dame.  i agree with most of your points, but argue that you are underestimating the awfulness of nothern illinois.  i would argue that perhaps they 'compete', but the results are still horrid.  there isn't really a comparable match (maybe iowa but that's a stretch), and they have played a cheap schedule.
    you make the note that you like fading teams off their 'best' game.  i would counter that confidence would be the results of a win like that, with the only drawback being the amount the starters played.  deflated could be a label to give north ill., after an overtime loss to dartmouth last time out. 'now we travel again to get our a$s whooped' could be the mindset. this team starts slow, they dont pass well, and against the #1 effective offense (kenpom), i'm not sure how northern illinois will just turn it on and play their 'best' game of the season to stay within these numbers. even if they arent up 100% (which i agree they wont) these numbers should come easier then not.

    would love to see your stats that suggest today is a notoriously great underdog day.  not a dig, but thats useful information im unaware of.  not sure why some students want to go home for christmas and others do not.  i would argue the away teams just want this to be over with moreso, and especially a crap team.

    Gl with whatever you do, and i do like the columbia pick.

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    you're the guy that commented on the 'villa' 'nova' thing correct? already a fan.  this board can be pure entertainment.

    anywho came to discuss notre dame.  i agree with most of your points, but argue that you are underestimating the awfulness of nothern illinois.  i would argue that perhaps they 'compete', but the results are still horrid.  there isn't really a comparable match (maybe iowa but that's a stretch), and they have played a cheap schedule.
    you make the note that you like fading teams off their 'best' game.  i would counter that confidence would be the results of a win like that, with the only drawback being the amount the starters played.  deflated could be a label to give north ill., after an overtime loss to dartmouth last time out. 'now we travel again to get our a$s whooped' could be the mindset. this team starts slow, they dont pass well, and against the #1 effective offense (kenpom), i'm not sure how northern illinois will just turn it on and play their 'best' game of the season to stay within these numbers. even if they arent up 100% (which i agree they wont) these numbers should come easier then not.

    would love to see your stats that suggest today is a notoriously great underdog day.  not a dig, but thats useful information im unaware of.  not sure why some students want to go home for christmas and others do not.  i would argue the away teams just want this to be over with moreso, and especially a crap team.

    Gl with whatever you do, and i do like the columbia pick.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrlif1:

    you're the guy that commented on the 'villa' 'nova' thing correct? already a fan.  this board can be pure entertainment.

    anywho came to discuss notre dame.  i agree with most of your points, but argue that you are underestimating the awfulness of nothern illinois.  i would argue that perhaps they 'compete', but the results are still horrid.  there isn't really a comparable match (maybe iowa but that's a stretch), and they have played a cheap schedule.
    you make the note that you like fading teams off their 'best' game.  i would counter that confidence would be the results of a win like that, with the only drawback being the amount the starters played.  deflated could be a label to give north ill., after an overtime loss to dartmouth last time out. 'now we travel again to get our a$s whooped' could be the mindset. this team starts slow, they dont pass well, and against the #1 effective offense (kenpom), i'm not sure how northern illinois will just turn it on and play their 'best' game of the season to stay within these numbers. even if they arent up 100% (which i agree they wont) these numbers should come easier then not.

    would love to see your stats that suggest today is a notoriously great underdog day.  not a dig, but thats useful information im unaware of.  not sure why some students want to go home for christmas and others do not.  i would argue the away teams just want this to be over with moreso, and especially a crap team.

    Gl with whatever you do, and i do like the columbia pick.


    Plenty of valid points. The success of underdogs on this particular day is non supported by any data - it's just my perception based on the past few years. Unfortunately, the lines have continued to tighten (can blame KenPom for that) and it's becoming increasingly difficult to bet on underdogs knowing that I'm giving away value that I used to be able to get.

    Regarding Notre Dame, this, too, is based on perception. Brey is an amazing coach, and ND has won me so, so much money over the years. He's particularly good with extra prep time, but this is a quick turnaround after an emotional game late Saturday afternoon. NIU is, without a doubt, a "bad" team. But to me, offensive rebounding is largely an indication of effort. Teams who consistently bang the offensive glass can remain in games where they would otherwise be wiped off the floor. I expect NIU will make this an ugly game, and I just don't know if ND will have the full motivation to pound them into oblivion. Could be wrong, but we'll see.

    Additionally, my perception is that road teams are less susceptible to looking ahead to break because they have fewer distractions. I had a few friends who played for St. Joe's, and they always talked about how depressing it was to see the campus deserted for break while they stayed around to play another game. It's pretty typical for college kids - at the end of a long semester - to be in a hurry to get home and relax for a few days. It struck me as a "let's get this over with" type of thing. Plus, ND's kids are from all over the country, so very few, if any, will still be around. That said, it's only a minor consideration in capping this game.

    And as far as the Villa/Nova thing...ugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrlif1:

    you're the guy that commented on the 'villa' 'nova' thing correct? already a fan.  this board can be pure entertainment.

    anywho came to discuss notre dame.  i agree with most of your points, but argue that you are underestimating the awfulness of nothern illinois.  i would argue that perhaps they 'compete', but the results are still horrid.  there isn't really a comparable match (maybe iowa but that's a stretch), and they have played a cheap schedule.
    you make the note that you like fading teams off their 'best' game.  i would counter that confidence would be the results of a win like that, with the only drawback being the amount the starters played.  deflated could be a label to give north ill., after an overtime loss to dartmouth last time out. 'now we travel again to get our a$s whooped' could be the mindset. this team starts slow, they dont pass well, and against the #1 effective offense (kenpom), i'm not sure how northern illinois will just turn it on and play their 'best' game of the season to stay within these numbers. even if they arent up 100% (which i agree they wont) these numbers should come easier then not.

    would love to see your stats that suggest today is a notoriously great underdog day.  not a dig, but thats useful information im unaware of.  not sure why some students want to go home for christmas and others do not.  i would argue the away teams just want this to be over with moreso, and especially a crap team.

    Gl with whatever you do, and i do like the columbia pick.


    Plenty of valid points. The success of underdogs on this particular day is non supported by any data - it's just my perception based on the past few years. Unfortunately, the lines have continued to tighten (can blame KenPom for that) and it's becoming increasingly difficult to bet on underdogs knowing that I'm giving away value that I used to be able to get.

    Regarding Notre Dame, this, too, is based on perception. Brey is an amazing coach, and ND has won me so, so much money over the years. He's particularly good with extra prep time, but this is a quick turnaround after an emotional game late Saturday afternoon. NIU is, without a doubt, a "bad" team. But to me, offensive rebounding is largely an indication of effort. Teams who consistently bang the offensive glass can remain in games where they would otherwise be wiped off the floor. I expect NIU will make this an ugly game, and I just don't know if ND will have the full motivation to pound them into oblivion. Could be wrong, but we'll see.

    Additionally, my perception is that road teams are less susceptible to looking ahead to break because they have fewer distractions. I had a few friends who played for St. Joe's, and they always talked about how depressing it was to see the campus deserted for break while they stayed around to play another game. It's pretty typical for college kids - at the end of a long semester - to be in a hurry to get home and relax for a few days. It struck me as a "let's get this over with" type of thing. Plus, ND's kids are from all over the country, so very few, if any, will still be around. That said, it's only a minor consideration in capping this game.

    And as far as the Villa/Nova thing...ugh.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrlif1:

    you're the guy that commented on the 'villa' 'nova' thing correct? already a fan.  this board can be pure entertainment.

    anywho came to discuss notre dame.  i agree with most of your points, but argue that you are underestimating the awfulness of nothern illinois.  i would argue that perhaps they 'compete', but the results are still horrid.  there isn't really a comparable match (maybe iowa but that's a stretch), and they have played a cheap schedule.
    you make the note that you like fading teams off their 'best' game.  i would counter that confidence would be the results of a win like that, with the only drawback being the amount the starters played.  deflated could be a label to give north ill., after an overtime loss to dartmouth last time out. 'now we travel again to get our a$s whooped' could be the mindset. this team starts slow, they dont pass well, and against the #1 effective offense (kenpom), i'm not sure how northern illinois will just turn it on and play their 'best' game of the season to stay within these numbers. even if they arent up 100% (which i agree they wont) these numbers should come easier then not.

    would love to see your stats that suggest today is a notoriously great underdog day.  not a dig, but thats useful information im unaware of.  not sure why some students want to go home for christmas and others do not.  i would argue the away teams just want this to be over with moreso, and especially a crap team.

    Gl with whatever you do, and i do like the columbia pick.



    Not to speak for the man, but I believe he was alluding to the fact that he has had luck betting on under dogs this day (the day before college Christmas break). I doubt there are 'stats' that point to this; just that he has picked winners in certain spots on this day.

    He's betting on situational spots. There is no doubt NIU is an inferior opp; it is just a bad spot to lay a large number on ND when the team has most likely packed their bags for the break...

    If it was only as easy as Team A is better then Team B; well...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrlif1:

    you're the guy that commented on the 'villa' 'nova' thing correct? already a fan.  this board can be pure entertainment.

    anywho came to discuss notre dame.  i agree with most of your points, but argue that you are underestimating the awfulness of nothern illinois.  i would argue that perhaps they 'compete', but the results are still horrid.  there isn't really a comparable match (maybe iowa but that's a stretch), and they have played a cheap schedule.
    you make the note that you like fading teams off their 'best' game.  i would counter that confidence would be the results of a win like that, with the only drawback being the amount the starters played.  deflated could be a label to give north ill., after an overtime loss to dartmouth last time out. 'now we travel again to get our a$s whooped' could be the mindset. this team starts slow, they dont pass well, and against the #1 effective offense (kenpom), i'm not sure how northern illinois will just turn it on and play their 'best' game of the season to stay within these numbers. even if they arent up 100% (which i agree they wont) these numbers should come easier then not.

    would love to see your stats that suggest today is a notoriously great underdog day.  not a dig, but thats useful information im unaware of.  not sure why some students want to go home for christmas and others do not.  i would argue the away teams just want this to be over with moreso, and especially a crap team.

    Gl with whatever you do, and i do like the columbia pick.



    Not to speak for the man, but I believe he was alluding to the fact that he has had luck betting on under dogs this day (the day before college Christmas break). I doubt there are 'stats' that point to this; just that he has picked winners in certain spots on this day.

    He's betting on situational spots. There is no doubt NIU is an inferior opp; it is just a bad spot to lay a large number on ND when the team has most likely packed their bags for the break...

    If it was only as easy as Team A is better then Team B; well...
     
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    Gl today JFen. Where are you posting now ?
     
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    my biggest reason for inquiring/playing devil's advocate is because my money is a bit scared after his(her? i doubt lol) initial write-up.  you blow out purdue on tv and the overreaction should be there.  with that into consideration and the opponent being NIU, 18.5 suddenly seems too easy as opposed to a must play. 
    no way is motvation 100%, i simply cant find a reason it would be.  my wager is based on the sheer lack of results for one team, and the results of the other.  this wager wont be my last.  props to the OP for putting his thoughts out there anyway. 

    Gl

    p.s i do like the anecdote in regards to st. joes.  a rather depressing thought for those people who don't get to go home/are without families to do so.
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    my biggest reason for inquiring/playing devil's advocate is because my money is a bit scared after his(her? i doubt lol) initial write-up.  you blow out purdue on tv and the overreaction should be there.  with that into consideration and the opponent being NIU, 18.5 suddenly seems too easy as opposed to a must play. 
    no way is motvation 100%, i simply cant find a reason it would be.  my wager is based on the sheer lack of results for one team, and the results of the other.  this wager wont be my last.  props to the OP for putting his thoughts out there anyway. 

    Gl

    p.s i do like the anecdote in regards to st. joes.  a rather depressing thought for those people who don't get to go home/are without families to do so.
     
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    N. dame is playing as good as any team in ncaa hoops...they will roll ..GL and good to see you posting again
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    N. dame is playing as good as any team in ncaa hoops...they will roll ..GL and good to see you posting again
     
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    also, by elsewhere OP do you mean across the street? plugged your name in, to no avail. hard to find someone coherent without an e-d|ck ego problem around these parts.
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    also, by elsewhere OP do you mean across the street? plugged your name in, to no avail. hard to find someone coherent without an e-d|ck ego problem around these parts.
     
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    Great to see you posting again FEN, I really respect your perspective on games. Please stick around a while...

    Merry Christmas to you and the FAM

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    Great to see you posting again FEN, I really respect your perspective on games. Please stick around a while...

    Merry Christmas to you and the FAM

     
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    he's on twitter. 

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    he's on twitter. 

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    Also played:
    Colgate +16.5
    Temple +8/ML +315
    Columbia +7.5
    Colorado -3/IPFW +15
    Providence/Miami U131

    Quality reading on 'Cuse posted below. Cooney called it a "trap game." Oh boy. If this team gets off the mat after what happened Saturday in Philly, all the power to 'em. Colgate is up the road from 'Cuse, and has a senior-laden group that has played 'Cuse every season. Won't be intimidated. I'll take the points.

    https://www.syracuse.com/orangebasketball/index.ssf/2014/12/5_things_to_watch_for_as_syracuse_basketball_faces_colgate.html

    Enjoy the games, gents.



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    Also played:
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    Temple +8/ML +315
    Columbia +7.5
    Colorado -3/IPFW +15
    Providence/Miami U131

    Quality reading on 'Cuse posted below. Cooney called it a "trap game." Oh boy. If this team gets off the mat after what happened Saturday in Philly, all the power to 'em. Colgate is up the road from 'Cuse, and has a senior-laden group that has played 'Cuse every season. Won't be intimidated. I'll take the points.

    https://www.syracuse.com/orangebasketball/index.ssf/2014/12/5_things_to_watch_for_as_syracuse_basketball_faces_colgate.html

    Enjoy the games, gents.



     
     
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    Like your plays GL ...I think consin will shut down cal. And be able to win by 13+ ....cal. Has been quietly been winning and beating teams I didn't think they would.. E. wash 
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    Like your plays GL ...I think consin will shut down cal. And be able to win by 13+ ....cal. Has been quietly been winning and beating teams I didn't think they would.. E. wash 
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