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    Predicting scores using Kenpom ratings

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    Posted: Mar. 9, 2009 - 11:48 AM ET #1

    Does anyone know how to do this? I used to last year but can't find my notes..... and Ken was generous enough to do that calculation for you during the regular season but not anymore for tourney time..... 
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    Does anyone know how to do this? I used to last year but can't find my notes..... and Ken was generous enough to do that calculation for you during the regular season but not anymore for tourney time..... 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 9, 2009 - 1:16 PM ET #2

    Ok I havent done it in a while but here goes. Zags/Marys example
     
    Zags 117.3  88.8
    St mary 110.1  95.2
     
    League avg poss 66.6
    Points per poss 101.5
     
    Zags avg poss 68   st mary 66.4 so to figure out the % of offense divide  possessions for each team divide by league avg.  68 divide by 66.6=102% for zags 66.4 divided by 66.6 = 99.6 % for marys
     
    tempo = 102 X 99.6 X 66.6 = roughly 68 possesions
     
    now multiple 117.3 X 95.2 X 101.2 = 112
                       110.1 X 88.8 X 101.2= 98.9
    now divide  each by possesions 68
     
    Equals zags 76    st mary 67.  
     
    Make sense?  I'm not very good at explaining things and its been a while.
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    Ok I havent done it in a while but here goes. Zags/Marys example
     
    Zags 117.3  88.8
    St mary 110.1  95.2
     
    League avg poss 66.6
    Points per poss 101.5
     
    Zags avg poss 68   st mary 66.4 so to figure out the % of offense divide  possessions for each team divide by league avg.  68 divide by 66.6=102% for zags 66.4 divided by 66.6 = 99.6 % for marys
     
    tempo = 102 X 99.6 X 66.6 = roughly 68 possesions
     
    now multiple 117.3 X 95.2 X 101.2 = 112
                       110.1 X 88.8 X 101.2= 98.9
    now divide  each by possesions 68
     
    Equals zags 76    st mary 67.  
     
    Make sense?  I'm not very good at explaining things and its been a while.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 9, 2009 - 1:18 PM ET #3

    league avg poss should say 101.2 not 101.5.  that was last year
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    league avg poss should say 101.2 not 101.5.  that was last year
     
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    Posted: Mar. 9, 2009 - 4:21 PM ET #4

    wait, how do you get 112 from multiplying 117.3 x 95.2 x 101.2 (for zaga)? 
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    wait, how do you get 112 from multiplying 117.3 x 95.2 x 101.2 (for zaga)? 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 9, 2009 - 4:26 PM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by ZonaCats:

    Does anyone know how to do this? I used to last year but can't find my notes..... and Ken was generous enough to do that calculation for you during the regular season but not anymore for tourney time..... 

    Um he's still generous enough to do it for you  I was just looking at the Zags game and he has it
    Mon Mar 9 (51) St. Mary's W, 75-666882%Neutral

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZonaCats:

    Does anyone know how to do this? I used to last year but can't find my notes..... and Ken was generous enough to do that calculation for you during the regular season but not anymore for tourney time..... 

    Um he's still generous enough to do it for you  I was just looking at the Zags game and he has it
    Mon Mar 9 (51) St. Mary's W, 75-666882%Neutral

     
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    Posted: Mar. 9, 2009 - 4:31 PM ET #6

    technically 1130096 something  but just use the first 3 numbers. think i did 117 not 117.3
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    technically 1130096 something  but just use the first 3 numbers. think i did 117 not 117.3
     
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    Posted: Mar. 9, 2009 - 4:33 PM ET #7

    didnt factor neutral court either.  think he subtracts and adds 1.4% to home and away team.  someone else could probably explain it clearer.
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    didnt factor neutral court either.  think he subtracts and adds 1.4% to home and away team.  someone else could probably explain it clearer.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 9, 2009 - 5:30 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by kindergartencapper:


    Um he's still generous enough to do it for you  I was just looking at the Zags game and he has it
    Mon Mar 9 (51) St. Mary's W, 75-666882%Neutral


    they are up now but weren't earlier in the day. for some of the tourney games yesterday, they never got posted.... would prefer to do this on my own, especially early. history shows that lines gravitate to his numbers. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by kindergartencapper:


    Um he's still generous enough to do it for you  I was just looking at the Zags game and he has it
    Mon Mar 9 (51) St. Mary's W, 75-666882%Neutral


    they are up now but weren't earlier in the day. for some of the tourney games yesterday, they never got posted.... would prefer to do this on my own, especially early. history shows that lines gravitate to his numbers. 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 9, 2009 - 5:57 PM ET #9

    also, they are not up for any of the other tourney games
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    also, they are not up for any of the other tourney games
     
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    Posted: Mar. 9, 2009 - 6:00 PM ET #10

    yikes,,gettin a bit of a headache tryin to keep all the numbers in order- all go with the old take the points--lol
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    yikes,,gettin a bit of a headache tryin to keep all the numbers in order- all go with the old take the points--lol
     
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    Posted: Mar. 9, 2009 - 6:02 PM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by VegasMaxx:

    technically 1130096 something  but just use the first 3 numbers. think i did 117 not 117.3

    how do you get 76 for the zags from dividing 113 by 68? 
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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasMaxx:

    technically 1130096 something  but just use the first 3 numbers. think i did 117 not 117.3

    how do you get 76 for the zags from dividing 113 by 68? 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 9, 2009 - 6:10 PM ET #12

    this not exactly right or a different system
     
    151.6/125.7=1.206*151.6=182
     
    Gonzaga is going to go over
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    this not exactly right or a different system
     
    151.6/125.7=1.206*151.6=182
     
    Gonzaga is going to go over
     
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    Posted: Mar. 9, 2009 - 11:55 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by ZonaCats:


    how do you get 76 for the zags from dividing 113 by 68? 

    sorry man, multiply 113 by 68=76

    been drinking all day

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZonaCats:


    how do you get 76 for the zags from dividing 113 by 68? 

    sorry man, multiply 113 by 68=76

    been drinking all day

     
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    Posted: Mar. 9, 2009 - 11:57 PM ET #14

    just a heads up, kenpom doesn't seem to be as accurate in tourney time as it is in the regular season. IMO
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    just a heads up, kenpom doesn't seem to be as accurate in tourney time as it is in the regular season. IMO
     
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    Posted: Mar. 10, 2009 - 11:50 AM ET #15

    I think KenPom has been deadly in late rounds of tournament..
     
    I am still trying to reconstruct the formula to come up with projected scores and the forumula above does not get me there... it's close, but can not understand who you use Adj tempo in that forumla....
     
    AS I SEE IT
    You have the following numbers:
    1st you have D-1 AVG of
    ADJ Efficiency
    ADJ Tempo
    These numbers are the same for ALL matchups of the day... Those numbers should change very slightly every day based upon the plays of the previous day... ???
     
    Now we have team specific numbers:
    ADJ Offense Efficiency   
    ADJ Defnesive Efficiency
    ADJ Tempo
     
    Are their any other numbers used in calculations?
     
     
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    I think KenPom has been deadly in late rounds of tournament..
     
    I am still trying to reconstruct the formula to come up with projected scores and the forumula above does not get me there... it's close, but can not understand who you use Adj tempo in that forumla....
     
    AS I SEE IT
    You have the following numbers:
    1st you have D-1 AVG of
    ADJ Efficiency
    ADJ Tempo
    These numbers are the same for ALL matchups of the day... Those numbers should change very slightly every day based upon the plays of the previous day... ???
     
    Now we have team specific numbers:
    ADJ Offense Efficiency   
    ADJ Defnesive Efficiency
    ADJ Tempo
     
    Are their any other numbers used in calculations?
     
     
     
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    Posted: Mar. 10, 2009 - 3:57 PM ET #16

    where does this guy make his predictions?
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    where does this guy make his predictions?
     
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    Posted: Mar. 10, 2009 - 4:42 PM ET #17

    ZonaCats and Daworm,
    You can find more info at:  https://kenpom.com/rate.php

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    ZonaCats and Daworm,
    You can find more info at:  https://kenpom.com/rate.php

     
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    Posted: Mar. 10, 2009 - 5:23 PM ET #18

    this'll help everyone out: 

    https://www.rockytoptalk.com/story/2008/2/27/165520/578

    never use a single "prediction" to decide who to bet on. I use pomeroy's projections to get a feel for where the line is going to move. In most cases, they almost always move towards his #'s. 
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    this'll help everyone out: 

    https://www.rockytoptalk.com/story/2008/2/27/165520/578

    never use a single "prediction" to decide who to bet on. I use pomeroy's projections to get a feel for where the line is going to move. In most cases, they almost always move towards his #'s. 
     
     
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    Posted: Mar. 10, 2009 - 7:38 PM ET #19

    Thanks ZONA, That is exactly what I needed to Geek out my spreadsheet
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    Thanks ZONA, That is exactly what I needed to Geek out my spreadsheet
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