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    March Madness 1st round since 2014: full game unders and 1st half unders

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    Posted: Mar. 13, 2023 - 7:21 PM ET #1

    Anyone have the numbers handy??? 

    Using 2014 cause that's when they changed the shot clock

     

    For 1st round 1st half unders 

    And for 1st round full game unders

     

    Thought another poster mentioned last year that a big chunk of 1st round 1st halfs went under. 

    If i remember right the full game unders didn't hit quite as well cause we discussed just blind betting every under in round 1

     

    I think the same poster also mentioned that a ton of totals of 150.0 or higher in round 1 hit the under as long as they don't involve the 1,2 and 3 seeds games...might just been the 1 and 2 seeds

     

    Anyone able to help me run the queries on killersports or that other query website I can think of the name of..I am terrible with the site but know lots of people on here use it

     

    Thanks in advance and hopefully I'm remembering this some what correctly....

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    Anyone have the numbers handy??? 

    Using 2014 cause that's when they changed the shot clock

     

    For 1st round 1st half unders 

    And for 1st round full game unders

     

    Thought another poster mentioned last year that a big chunk of 1st round 1st halfs went under. 

    If i remember right the full game unders didn't hit quite as well cause we discussed just blind betting every under in round 1

     

    I think the same poster also mentioned that a ton of totals of 150.0 or higher in round 1 hit the under as long as they don't involve the 1,2 and 3 seeds games...might just been the 1 and 2 seeds

     

    Anyone able to help me run the queries on killersports or that other query website I can think of the name of..I am terrible with the site but know lots of people on here use it

     

    Thanks in advance and hopefully I'm remembering this some what correctly....

     
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    Posted: Mar. 14, 2023 - 3:22 AM ET #2

    I saw it across the street. Said not to play games with #1-#3 seeds but other than that bet the 1H under in all other games. 

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    I saw it across the street. Said not to play games with #1-#3 seeds but other than that bet the 1H under in all other games. 

     
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    Posted: Mar. 14, 2023 - 7:12 AM ET #3

    @daneault23

     Thanksan_cheers...hoping someone has the numbers

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     Thanksan_cheers...hoping someone has the numbers

     
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    Posted: Mar. 14, 2023 - 11:02 AM ET #4

    @dubz4dummyz

     Funny, cause I've been looking for the same numbers but cant find them. I ran across them last year, and 1st half unders in 4-8 seeded games in the 1st round since 2014 were hitting at somewhere around 65%-ish (basing off memory) So me and a buddy played this last year, and I do remember specifically we made a profit, but it wasn't at that rate, a little smaller. Vegas catches on quick, lol. Lmk if you find exact numbers

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     Funny, cause I've been looking for the same numbers but cant find them. I ran across them last year, and 1st half unders in 4-8 seeded games in the 1st round since 2014 were hitting at somewhere around 65%-ish (basing off memory) So me and a buddy played this last year, and I do remember specifically we made a profit, but it wasn't at that rate, a little smaller. Vegas catches on quick, lol. Lmk if you find exact numbers

     
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    Posted: Mar. 14, 2023 - 11:03 AM ET #5

    @dubz4dummyz

     Sorry, new to this site. See my comment below 

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    @dubz4dummyz

     Sorry, new to this site. See my comment below 

     
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    Posted: Mar. 14, 2023 - 5:03 PM ET #6

    @Kenny2

     Thanks...I kno 1h unders hit more than full game....Sadly i not offered 1st half totals

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     Thanks...I kno 1h unders hit more than full game....Sadly i not offered 1st half totals

     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2023 - 8:09 AM ET #7

    Just gonna use this thread for leans/picks

     

     

    Disclaimer- haven't watched a ncaab game this year 

     

    went 3-2 last years March madness. All 5 plays totals ranging between 131.5 and 133.5 ....4 of the plays were 1st round...other play was isu/mia but not sure what round ... date was mar.25/22

     

    Leans...like the top 4 the most

     

    March 16

    Wvu/MD under 139.5...missed this at 140.5

     

    Psu/tam under 134.5....stayed here since open...looking at numbers expecting a tight game

     

    Boise/nw  under 128.0...missed this at 129.0...was hoping for 130+

     

    Cofc/sdsu under 141.5....stayed here since open...worried about cofc  defense...can they slow san Diego...

     

    Fur/Uva under 132.5

    Aub/Iowa under 152.5

    Colg/tex under 147.5

     

    March 17

    Vcu/smc under 123.5....low total...Vegas expecting low score

    Mtst/ksu under 139.5...can Montana state slow ksu

    Kent/ind under 140.5

    Usc/msu under 138.5

     

    Those are the initial gut leans with a quick look at numbers to confirm

     

    Do any of the highest scorers/best players in the country play for these teams???  I got burned by some dude from New Mexico state last year...my excel says his last name was Allen...apparently he was good...gonna try to avoid unders with top scorers in the nation

     

     

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    Just gonna use this thread for leans/picks

     

     

    Disclaimer- haven't watched a ncaab game this year 

     

    went 3-2 last years March madness. All 5 plays totals ranging between 131.5 and 133.5 ....4 of the plays were 1st round...other play was isu/mia but not sure what round ... date was mar.25/22

     

    Leans...like the top 4 the most

     

    March 16

    Wvu/MD under 139.5...missed this at 140.5

     

    Psu/tam under 134.5....stayed here since open...looking at numbers expecting a tight game

     

    Boise/nw  under 128.0...missed this at 129.0...was hoping for 130+

     

    Cofc/sdsu under 141.5....stayed here since open...worried about cofc  defense...can they slow san Diego...

     

    Fur/Uva under 132.5

    Aub/Iowa under 152.5

    Colg/tex under 147.5

     

    March 17

    Vcu/smc under 123.5....low total...Vegas expecting low score

    Mtst/ksu under 139.5...can Montana state slow ksu

    Kent/ind under 140.5

    Usc/msu under 138.5

     

    Those are the initial gut leans with a quick look at numbers to confirm

     

    Do any of the highest scorers/best players in the country play for these teams???  I got burned by some dude from New Mexico state last year...my excel says his last name was Allen...apparently he was good...gonna try to avoid unders with top scorers in the nation

     

     

     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2023 - 8:16 AM ET #8

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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2023 - 10:36 AM ET #9

    1 locked in

     

     

    Boise/NW under 128.0 @1.89 0.5 to win 0.445

     

    NW under 68 points in 5 straight. Only 1 team scored over 70 in those 5 games.

    Boise under 70 points on 3 of last 5

    Neither team has good offensive numbers on neutral court

    Both teams only played twice since March 5th

    Both teams near bottom of nation in possessions per game

    Both teams middle of the pack in 3 point attempts. NW near bottom in 3 pt %

    Both teams below top 100 in points per game

    Both teams top 40 in points per game allowed. Nw allows 62.5 Boise allows 64.7

    Potential risk for OT. Don't like that NW jacks up 23 3s a game. Also don't like that both teams pretty good from  the FT line

    Big arena effect- some players struggle with depth perception in the bigger arenas with bigger backdrops. A lot of games are played in tighter school gyms

    Potential for some rust with long layoff between games

    Big stage effect- biggest stage for a lot of these players.  Little extra pressure on every shot. Some players crumple under the bright lights.

    Expecting some D to be played between these teams in a win or go home game

    Seeing some 127.5 out there so locking in now

    Looking for one team to struggle to get to 60 points

    Looking for a 65-59 type game....68-60 gets me a push....missed 129.0 if I get burned by a point that will blow

     

    GL allclover

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    1 locked in

     

     

    Boise/NW under 128.0 @1.89 0.5 to win 0.445

     

    NW under 68 points in 5 straight. Only 1 team scored over 70 in those 5 games.

    Boise under 70 points on 3 of last 5

    Neither team has good offensive numbers on neutral court

    Both teams only played twice since March 5th

    Both teams near bottom of nation in possessions per game

    Both teams middle of the pack in 3 point attempts. NW near bottom in 3 pt %

    Both teams below top 100 in points per game

    Both teams top 40 in points per game allowed. Nw allows 62.5 Boise allows 64.7

    Potential risk for OT. Don't like that NW jacks up 23 3s a game. Also don't like that both teams pretty good from  the FT line

    Big arena effect- some players struggle with depth perception in the bigger arenas with bigger backdrops. A lot of games are played in tighter school gyms

    Potential for some rust with long layoff between games

    Big stage effect- biggest stage for a lot of these players.  Little extra pressure on every shot. Some players crumple under the bright lights.

    Expecting some D to be played between these teams in a win or go home game

    Seeing some 127.5 out there so locking in now

    Looking for one team to struggle to get to 60 points

    Looking for a 65-59 type game....68-60 gets me a push....missed 129.0 if I get burned by a point that will blow

     

    GL allclover

     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2023 - 10:39 AM ET #10

    Looking at ull/tenn under 136.5...don't like that tenn best on ball defender tore his ACL...but they beat D in nation

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    Looking at ull/tenn under 136.5...don't like that tenn best on ball defender tore his ACL...but they beat D in nation

     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2023 - 11:29 AM ET #11

    I saw a system that was posted:

    Neutral site game

    Game is in March

    Total of 145 or more

    <60% of the bets (bets not money) on Under

     

    Its going for its 7th straight winning season and here are the ROI's during that span

    2016-2017 10.2%

    2017-2018 8.5%

    2018-2019 1.9%

    2019-2020 19.1%

    2020-2021 9%

    2021-2022 5.7%

     

    Averages about 9% return.

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    I saw a system that was posted:

    Neutral site game

    Game is in March

    Total of 145 or more

    <60% of the bets (bets not money) on Under

     

    Its going for its 7th straight winning season and here are the ROI's during that span

    2016-2017 10.2%

    2017-2018 8.5%

    2018-2019 1.9%

    2019-2020 19.1%

    2020-2021 9%

    2021-2022 5.7%

     

    Averages about 9% return.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2023 - 11:54 AM ET #12

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     Nice statan_cheers

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     Nice statan_cheers

     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2023 - 12:00 PM ET #13

    Wvu/Maryland under 137.5....gonna lay off incase wvu  decides to not play defense

     

    Psu/tam under 134.5...2 red hot teams..gonna lay off for that reason..but should be a tight game...could see both teams push 70 points

     

    Charl/sdsu under 141.5....don't like charl pace of play and 3 point attempts...they like to shoot early in shot clock which gives sdsu more shot oppos as well....still a bit of a high number at 141.5 imo

     

    Colg/tex under 147.5....could be a shootout 

    Aub/Iowa under 152.5....wonder if auburn will try to slow the pace ....need one team to push 78+ points...

    Fur/uva...Furman avg 81 a game....doubt they get that but total only 132.5

     

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    Wvu/Maryland under 137.5....gonna lay off incase wvu  decides to not play defense

     

    Psu/tam under 134.5...2 red hot teams..gonna lay off for that reason..but should be a tight game...could see both teams push 70 points

     

    Charl/sdsu under 141.5....don't like charl pace of play and 3 point attempts...they like to shoot early in shot clock which gives sdsu more shot oppos as well....still a bit of a high number at 141.5 imo

     

    Colg/tex under 147.5....could be a shootout 

    Aub/Iowa under 152.5....wonder if auburn will try to slow the pace ....need one team to push 78+ points...

    Fur/uva...Furman avg 81 a game....doubt they get that but total only 132.5

     

     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2023 - 12:02 PM ET #14

    Lean for tonight

     

    Asu/Nevada under 134.5

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    Lean for tonight

     

    Asu/Nevada under 134.5

     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2023 - 1:57 PM ET #15

    Leans

     

    Pitt +4

    Mem -2

    Isu/pitt under 131.5

    Ull/tenn under 136.5

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    Leans

     

    Pitt +4

    Mem -2

    Isu/pitt under 131.5

    Ull/tenn under 136.5

     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2023 - 3:55 PM ET #16

    Elite 8

     

    Hou

    Texas

    Bama

    Zona

    Uconn 

    Zags

    Mem

    Marq

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    Elite 8

     

    Hou

    Texas

    Bama

    Zona

    Uconn 

    Zags

    Mem

    Marq

     
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    Posted: Mar. 16, 2023 - 11:55 AM ET #17

    Will track 1st round unders in here as well for future years

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    Will track 1st round unders in here as well for future years

     
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    Posted: Mar. 16, 2023 - 3:01 PM ET #18

    Full game unders 1-1

     

    Looks like 1st half unders are 2-2.....but 2-1 if u remember to not play the games with 1,2  or 3 seed

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    Full game unders 1-1

     

    Looks like 1st half unders are 2-2.....but 2-1 if u remember to not play the games with 1,2  or 3 seed

     
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    Posted: Mar. 17, 2023 - 10:07 PM ET #19

    Full game unders went 10-6 yesterday

     

    11-1 so far today with 4 pending 

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    Full game unders went 10-6 yesterday

     

    11-1 so far today with 4 pending 

     
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    Posted: Mar. 17, 2023 - 10:08 PM ET #20

    Leans

     

    Fur/sdsu under 138.0

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    Leans

     

    Fur/sdsu under 138.0

     
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    Posted: Mar. 17, 2023 - 10:27 PM ET #21

    GL buddy. peace_5peaceclover

    Learn, be content and stay disciplined.
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    GL buddy. peace_5peaceclover

     
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    Posted: Mar. 18, 2023 - 8:18 AM ET #22

    First round unders went an amazing 24-8moneybagmoneybagmoneybag

     

    2nd round unders little riskier as teams just played and aren't as rusty...plus theoretically the "better" teams left which should mean slightly higher scores 

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    First round unders went an amazing 24-8moneybagmoneybagmoneybag

     

    2nd round unders little riskier as teams just played and aren't as rusty...plus theoretically the "better" teams left which should mean slightly higher scores 

     
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    Posted: Mar. 18, 2023 - 8:23 AM ET #23

    First round full game unders went at least 18-12 in 2021

     

     

    First half unders went 13-2-1 in 2022 on day 1

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    First round full game unders went at least 18-12 in 2021

     

     

    First half unders went 13-2-1 in 2022 on day 1

     
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    Posted: Mar. 18, 2023 - 8:31 AM ET #24

    Round 1 leans went 9-7....I actually managed to find most of the overs an_roll_laugh

     

    Round 1 bets 0-1

     

    Shoulda just blind bet unders an_roll_laugh 

     

    Leans

     

    Fur/sdsu under 137.5...missed 138.0...similar opponent for each team to their round 1 game....sdsu plays D...fur jacks 3s

     

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    Round 1 leans went 9-7....I actually managed to find most of the overs an_roll_laugh

     

    Round 1 bets 0-1

     

    Shoulda just blind bet unders an_roll_laugh 

     

    Leans

     

    Fur/sdsu under 137.5...missed 138.0...similar opponent for each team to their round 1 game....sdsu plays D...fur jacks 3s

     

     
     
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    Posted: Mar. 18, 2023 - 9:01 AM ET #25

    Ive looked at some of the total numbers today.. a lot of them are lower than i expected.. vegas always adjusts.. 

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    Ive looked at some of the total numbers today.. a lot of them are lower than i expected.. vegas always adjusts.. 

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