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    November: 46-38, +5.20
    November Leans: 39-38
    December: 65-70, -9.45
    December Leans: 67-79
    January: 8-5, +12.90
    January Leans: 8-8


    Tuesday


    I’m playing North Carolina as I’ve had it circled as a situational spot, and since doing so, a few more advantages have opened up in my favor I believe. First, as to why I pegged it as a good spot a while back. It’s a pretty ugly spot for Miami FL. They’re continuing on the road with short prep and rest after a game against Virginia and a style that wears on you into an ultra-fast setting here. Going from slow and physical pressure into fast and little pressure will more than likely make a jump shooting team be a bit more complacent than it should be. Second, the game is going to be fast. I think it’s pretty evident that UNC has sped up just about everyone it’s been able to play outside of Wisconsin, and Miami FL, while not a super fast team, they’ve fallen into the trap of getting up and down against teams that like to do so. Larranaga isn’t afraid to play fast, and hasn’t slowed the tempo in any game he’s been a part of when he’s gone against a good team in the past. Yah, the chalk is a bit high, but in reality, if this game is played to a faster tempo, then the line holds quite a bit of value and shouldn’t be as tough as a line to cover with more shot attempts and more possessions. I think much can be made of how much Reggie Johnson has helped Miami, and what his return has done for the team. His presence alone has opened up the outside for the three-pointer which Miami FL is in love with, and has been in love with for the better part of the past few years. He’s a mammoth on the inside, and again, he’s a huge part of both their offense and the defense as any big and agile 300 pounder would be for any team on the inside. And that’s sort of the problem and the perfect storm here and why this line holds value. He’s only going to be a small part of this game, if at all. He’s only been back five games, and is coming off a game a few days ago where he played his highest minute total of the year in regulation time. That’s key #1, it’s going to be rough to bounce back. Not only that (key #2), the big fella is gonna be forced to run up and down. Since returning, I think it’s pretty obvious that in the one game that he did play in a fast setting, he wasn’t a big part of what they wanted to do and was completely taken out of the game against UNC Greensboro. If you’ve seen Greensboro play, they run at every opportunity, very similar to what North Carolina wants to do. Reggie played a whopping 15 minutes that game, Miami FL struggled greatly, and he wasn’t a factor in the result. If you look at last years meetings, throw them out the window. Johnson played 30+ minutes in both, that was also in Haith’s snail. To give you an idea of how much Haith slowed the pace in the ACC, he didn’t play a single game over 70 possessions in the conference all year! Ok, they were a part of one game in the ACC tournament that hit 73 possessions against Virginia, but the game went into OT to go above those 70 possessions. In those two snail meetings last year, Miami FL held leads of 14 and 17 points in both games and lost on comebacks from UNC when they finally picked up the pace towards the end of the games. Again, almost all of the analysis to this point is based on this game being played up and down which I think it will be and here’s some more info on why I think it’s going to be played that way. First, the totals for these matchups the past few years have been lined in the low 140’s, and we now have a total in the mid 150’s. That gives me indication that the pace will be up there. Second, every team Larranaga has played this year with a fast tempo has exceeded the average # of possessions. Even his teams in the past at George Mason ran with teams that wanted to run. Last year they ran with NC State and were beaten by 13 on a neutral and ran with Duquesne as well. In the tournament last year, you might remember him trying to run with Ohio State and getting blasted. The final possession total came in at 66, but 40 of those possessions occurred in the first half and Ohio State sat on the big lead. Two years ago, he took all of the big schools above 70 possessions (Nova, GT, Indiana, Creighton). If you haven’t realized, Larranaga’s an offensive minded coach. He’s rarely put any emphasis on his defense, and he tries to outscore teams. It’s been his motto since having the big run in the NCAA tournament, and I don’t see anything changing. He’s going to try and run here tonight, and it just isn’t the smartest option going up against an offense in UNC that is going to put points on the board in a hurry, also noting the first real high octane test with some new faces in the lineup (Jones, Johnson), and I think it hurts them. I think much can also be made of how much I have commented on UNC and the style of defense they have employed over the past couple years and how much of a non-fan I am of it. It’s pretty obvious. The lack of them sending people to the foul line the past couple years pretty much shows how soft they are on that side of the ball, and that’s a given. But again, I like the spot. They’re what I would call a team that relies on the jump shot, and a team that will fall in love with it. They’ve changed a bit since Johnson has returned, but again, I’m not really expecting Johnson to be a large part of the offense. And a jump shooting team going on the road for the second straight after a narrow defeat and a tough style in Virginia should lead to some complacency on the perimeter with a failure to get the ball inside. Which leads me to the only other way this game can be played, and I give it about a 20% chance, and that’s if Larranaga can slow the tempo. If he chooses to slow the pace and make it a half court game, they’re a pretty easy team to defend the jump shot, and that’s really all UNC has to do on the perimeter. Having the big guys on the inside become a liability on the offensive side of things for UNC in a slow setting, but it helps their defense a tremendous amount. So, I’m not bothered by the slow setting either. If you look at UNC, this will be their 9th straight home game, and they’re coming off a 23 point win that they looked pitiful in against Boston College. On the home stand, it was one of their lowest point totals (97, 84, 97, 99, 82, 100, 102, and 83) , and Roy said they looked lethargic. In those 8 games, the only team that’s been able to stay within the listed # here was Long Beach State, and they’re use to playing the up and down style. I should be getting their best shot tonight, and I have no idea how Miami FL is going to be able to stop them, let alone rebound from a much different style with little prep and rest, with what I figure to be their best player and a huge part of their offense not really being a part of this game…at all.

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    November: 46-38, +5.20
    November Leans: 39-38
    December: 65-70, -9.45
    December Leans: 67-79
    January: 8-5, +12.90
    January Leans: 8-8


    Tuesday


    I’m playing North Carolina as I’ve had it circled as a situational spot, and since doing so, a few more advantages have opened up in my favor I believe. First, as to why I pegged it as a good spot a while back. It’s a pretty ugly spot for Miami FL. They’re continuing on the road with short prep and rest after a game against Virginia and a style that wears on you into an ultra-fast setting here. Going from slow and physical pressure into fast and little pressure will more than likely make a jump shooting team be a bit more complacent than it should be. Second, the game is going to be fast. I think it’s pretty evident that UNC has sped up just about everyone it’s been able to play outside of Wisconsin, and Miami FL, while not a super fast team, they’ve fallen into the trap of getting up and down against teams that like to do so. Larranaga isn’t afraid to play fast, and hasn’t slowed the tempo in any game he’s been a part of when he’s gone against a good team in the past. Yah, the chalk is a bit high, but in reality, if this game is played to a faster tempo, then the line holds quite a bit of value and shouldn’t be as tough as a line to cover with more shot attempts and more possessions. I think much can be made of how much Reggie Johnson has helped Miami, and what his return has done for the team. His presence alone has opened up the outside for the three-pointer which Miami FL is in love with, and has been in love with for the better part of the past few years. He’s a mammoth on the inside, and again, he’s a huge part of both their offense and the defense as any big and agile 300 pounder would be for any team on the inside. And that’s sort of the problem and the perfect storm here and why this line holds value. He’s only going to be a small part of this game, if at all. He’s only been back five games, and is coming off a game a few days ago where he played his highest minute total of the year in regulation time. That’s key #1, it’s going to be rough to bounce back. Not only that (key #2), the big fella is gonna be forced to run up and down. Since returning, I think it’s pretty obvious that in the one game that he did play in a fast setting, he wasn’t a big part of what they wanted to do and was completely taken out of the game against UNC Greensboro. If you’ve seen Greensboro play, they run at every opportunity, very similar to what North Carolina wants to do. Reggie played a whopping 15 minutes that game, Miami FL struggled greatly, and he wasn’t a factor in the result. If you look at last years meetings, throw them out the window. Johnson played 30+ minutes in both, that was also in Haith’s snail. To give you an idea of how much Haith slowed the pace in the ACC, he didn’t play a single game over 70 possessions in the conference all year! Ok, they were a part of one game in the ACC tournament that hit 73 possessions against Virginia, but the game went into OT to go above those 70 possessions. In those two snail meetings last year, Miami FL held leads of 14 and 17 points in both games and lost on comebacks from UNC when they finally picked up the pace towards the end of the games. Again, almost all of the analysis to this point is based on this game being played up and down which I think it will be and here’s some more info on why I think it’s going to be played that way. First, the totals for these matchups the past few years have been lined in the low 140’s, and we now have a total in the mid 150’s. That gives me indication that the pace will be up there. Second, every team Larranaga has played this year with a fast tempo has exceeded the average # of possessions. Even his teams in the past at George Mason ran with teams that wanted to run. Last year they ran with NC State and were beaten by 13 on a neutral and ran with Duquesne as well. In the tournament last year, you might remember him trying to run with Ohio State and getting blasted. The final possession total came in at 66, but 40 of those possessions occurred in the first half and Ohio State sat on the big lead. Two years ago, he took all of the big schools above 70 possessions (Nova, GT, Indiana, Creighton). If you haven’t realized, Larranaga’s an offensive minded coach. He’s rarely put any emphasis on his defense, and he tries to outscore teams. It’s been his motto since having the big run in the NCAA tournament, and I don’t see anything changing. He’s going to try and run here tonight, and it just isn’t the smartest option going up against an offense in UNC that is going to put points on the board in a hurry, also noting the first real high octane test with some new faces in the lineup (Jones, Johnson), and I think it hurts them. I think much can also be made of how much I have commented on UNC and the style of defense they have employed over the past couple years and how much of a non-fan I am of it. It’s pretty obvious. The lack of them sending people to the foul line the past couple years pretty much shows how soft they are on that side of the ball, and that’s a given. But again, I like the spot. They’re what I would call a team that relies on the jump shot, and a team that will fall in love with it. They’ve changed a bit since Johnson has returned, but again, I’m not really expecting Johnson to be a large part of the offense. And a jump shooting team going on the road for the second straight after a narrow defeat and a tough style in Virginia should lead to some complacency on the perimeter with a failure to get the ball inside. Which leads me to the only other way this game can be played, and I give it about a 20% chance, and that’s if Larranaga can slow the tempo. If he chooses to slow the pace and make it a half court game, they’re a pretty easy team to defend the jump shot, and that’s really all UNC has to do on the perimeter. Having the big guys on the inside become a liability on the offensive side of things for UNC in a slow setting, but it helps their defense a tremendous amount. So, I’m not bothered by the slow setting either. If you look at UNC, this will be their 9th straight home game, and they’re coming off a 23 point win that they looked pitiful in against Boston College. On the home stand, it was one of their lowest point totals (97, 84, 97, 99, 82, 100, 102, and 83) , and Roy said they looked lethargic. In those 8 games, the only team that’s been able to stay within the listed # here was Long Beach State, and they’re use to playing the up and down style. I should be getting their best shot tonight, and I have no idea how Miami FL is going to be able to stop them, let alone rebound from a much different style with little prep and rest, with what I figure to be their best player and a huge part of their offense not really being a part of this game…at all.

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    With this Illinois game tonight, this is the first time they’ve been dogged this much at home I’m guessing since, well, ever? I can’t remember them catching this many in the history of the program, but I don’t have the time to look into it.  But quite honestly, it’s probably warranted. If you look at Illinois, they’ve had one of the easiest B-10 schedules to date, and they’ve struggled immensely. They struggled with Minnesota in OT, they won at Northwestern b/c their defensive system excels against that style as I pointed out, and they won against Nebraska based solely on the efforts of Bertrand who was unstoppable off the dribble and was 11/12 from the floor, with about 8 of those shots coming on floaters. He is their only source of offense at the present moment. By not having Maniscalco in the lineup, they’re without a leader. Yah, they get better from a defensive perspective, but they become extremely stagnant offensively without him on the perimeter and they lose a shooter. DJ Richardson is playing solely for defensive purposes, as his shooting wrist is in a world of hurt. He played 20+ minutes against Nebraska b/c they needed some guard defense, and while he attempted 4 shots, the only shot he made was a layup. If he plays half the game tonight, he’s an offensive liability. So, from an offensive standpoint, how is Illinois going to score? If they play Abrahms in Richardson spot, they become worse defensively, and don’t really gain anything on offense. It’s just not the situation to try and score with Ohio State, which leads me to my next point. Bruce Weber is going to run with good offenses. I have pointed it out before and he has done it for the better part of the last few years when the offense is sucked in the half court. You have all of these offensive deficiencies in the half court, and on top of that the injuries now, so the only way that they can score is by getting out in the open court, and he’s well aware it’s going to be the only way that he can score on the Ohio State defense. You can’t trot out as little experience as he has been lately and expect to score on this defense. So what do I expect? Well, I think it’s going to be ugly. If Matta is smart, and I put him at the top of college basketball in terms of that department, he’s going to put Craft on Bertrand. He’d be a moron not to do so at this point. If he does that, then he takes that source of offense away and forces Paul to beat him from the perimeter (he’s a career less than 30% shooter from beyond the arc), and it forces Richardson to beat you with a damaged wrist. Again, I think the Illinois defense is better with the young guys in there, but they have no experience going up against this type of offense that has multiple weapons. If Maniscalco plays, it actually makes the Illini defense worse, but I have no idea whether he suits up or not. And again, with Bruce wanting to run, Ohio State will welcome that as they’re getting a bit more up and down this year. I don’t see a single Illinois advantage. Maybe pounding the ball to Myers Leonard and getting Sullinger in foul trouble? It’s a possibility, but it really goes against what Weber wants to do. He rarely utilizes the post in the low position, and the Ohio State defense on the guards really presents a problem of even getting the ball into the post. Since the Maniscalco injury, Leonard’s barely had any touches. He’s had 7 field goals, four of those have been dunks, and two of them have been on offensive put-backs. He’s a big part of the offense, but not a big part in a game where you need a majority of scoring to come from the outside to have any chance. Matta went after Leonard when he played in last year’s games. In one of those games, Leonard played 8 minutes b/c of foul trouble. In the other game, he only played 8 minutes b/c he was in the doghouse and Illinois was far behind from the start so Bruce had to go even faster with more guards. Do I see value in Illinois? They’re at home and sometimes that’s all you need, but that’s about it. In a slow setting, the youngsters defense gets magnified and the offense can’t score in the half court. In a fast setting, you’re giving one of the best offenses more opportunities to score in Ohio State, and you’re being forced to hit some outside shots in transition without your main cog on the break. The past four meetings, the Illini have been launching three’s against this defense, a majority of them settling for some bad shots. They’ve made 32 in those four games, and lost those games by an average of 12 points. They’ll continue to shoot it, but they just don’t have the consistency this year. Again, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Maniscalco suit up tonight, but if he does, it makes them worse. Thad loves coming back to Illinois, and he’ll love what he gets himself into tonight.

    3* Ohio State -8.5

    I’ve commented on this Seton Hall defense being really good a few times this year, and it is really good, but defending Depaul is sort of a tough task b/c it’s not really a conventional offense. If you’ve watched Seton Hall at all the past few years, they aren’t afraid to run and gun when they welcome in an opponent who likes to do the same. Depaul’s over the Pitt hangover, and their Big East games have now totaled 75, 76, and 82 possessions. They’re style forces the tempo and Seton Hall’s guards are too inexperienced and young to slow it down. I’m probably going to need some scoring from Depaul for this one to be sent over, and the last two meetings against Willard here, they’ve had 66 and 65 shot attempts in those games respectively. I just don’t see how this one goes slow.

    1* Depaul/Seton Hall Over 149.5

    Both of these teams are coming off big rare wins, and Notre Dame’s coming off a 2OT victory. Prior to that USF offensive explosion at Nova, they scored 51, 40, 42, and 46 in true road settings. Add in the letdown, and back to that average we go. Notre Dame utilized the burn at Louisville, so a good chance they show it here. Two slow teams, and USF will try to force feed the post, and Notre Dame has Uconn on deck. Take out USF’s two games against Depaul and Providence on the road last year (ultra fast paced squads), and USF averaged 55 on the road in BE play. With all the factors + the burn, tough to see them hit that tonight. First one to 40 wins.

    1* USF/Notre Dame Under 122
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    With this Illinois game tonight, this is the first time they’ve been dogged this much at home I’m guessing since, well, ever? I can’t remember them catching this many in the history of the program, but I don’t have the time to look into it.  But quite honestly, it’s probably warranted. If you look at Illinois, they’ve had one of the easiest B-10 schedules to date, and they’ve struggled immensely. They struggled with Minnesota in OT, they won at Northwestern b/c their defensive system excels against that style as I pointed out, and they won against Nebraska based solely on the efforts of Bertrand who was unstoppable off the dribble and was 11/12 from the floor, with about 8 of those shots coming on floaters. He is their only source of offense at the present moment. By not having Maniscalco in the lineup, they’re without a leader. Yah, they get better from a defensive perspective, but they become extremely stagnant offensively without him on the perimeter and they lose a shooter. DJ Richardson is playing solely for defensive purposes, as his shooting wrist is in a world of hurt. He played 20+ minutes against Nebraska b/c they needed some guard defense, and while he attempted 4 shots, the only shot he made was a layup. If he plays half the game tonight, he’s an offensive liability. So, from an offensive standpoint, how is Illinois going to score? If they play Abrahms in Richardson spot, they become worse defensively, and don’t really gain anything on offense. It’s just not the situation to try and score with Ohio State, which leads me to my next point. Bruce Weber is going to run with good offenses. I have pointed it out before and he has done it for the better part of the last few years when the offense is sucked in the half court. You have all of these offensive deficiencies in the half court, and on top of that the injuries now, so the only way that they can score is by getting out in the open court, and he’s well aware it’s going to be the only way that he can score on the Ohio State defense. You can’t trot out as little experience as he has been lately and expect to score on this defense. So what do I expect? Well, I think it’s going to be ugly. If Matta is smart, and I put him at the top of college basketball in terms of that department, he’s going to put Craft on Bertrand. He’d be a moron not to do so at this point. If he does that, then he takes that source of offense away and forces Paul to beat him from the perimeter (he’s a career less than 30% shooter from beyond the arc), and it forces Richardson to beat you with a damaged wrist. Again, I think the Illinois defense is better with the young guys in there, but they have no experience going up against this type of offense that has multiple weapons. If Maniscalco plays, it actually makes the Illini defense worse, but I have no idea whether he suits up or not. And again, with Bruce wanting to run, Ohio State will welcome that as they’re getting a bit more up and down this year. I don’t see a single Illinois advantage. Maybe pounding the ball to Myers Leonard and getting Sullinger in foul trouble? It’s a possibility, but it really goes against what Weber wants to do. He rarely utilizes the post in the low position, and the Ohio State defense on the guards really presents a problem of even getting the ball into the post. Since the Maniscalco injury, Leonard’s barely had any touches. He’s had 7 field goals, four of those have been dunks, and two of them have been on offensive put-backs. He’s a big part of the offense, but not a big part in a game where you need a majority of scoring to come from the outside to have any chance. Matta went after Leonard when he played in last year’s games. In one of those games, Leonard played 8 minutes b/c of foul trouble. In the other game, he only played 8 minutes b/c he was in the doghouse and Illinois was far behind from the start so Bruce had to go even faster with more guards. Do I see value in Illinois? They’re at home and sometimes that’s all you need, but that’s about it. In a slow setting, the youngsters defense gets magnified and the offense can’t score in the half court. In a fast setting, you’re giving one of the best offenses more opportunities to score in Ohio State, and you’re being forced to hit some outside shots in transition without your main cog on the break. The past four meetings, the Illini have been launching three’s against this defense, a majority of them settling for some bad shots. They’ve made 32 in those four games, and lost those games by an average of 12 points. They’ll continue to shoot it, but they just don’t have the consistency this year. Again, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Maniscalco suit up tonight, but if he does, it makes them worse. Thad loves coming back to Illinois, and he’ll love what he gets himself into tonight.

    3* Ohio State -8.5

    I’ve commented on this Seton Hall defense being really good a few times this year, and it is really good, but defending Depaul is sort of a tough task b/c it’s not really a conventional offense. If you’ve watched Seton Hall at all the past few years, they aren’t afraid to run and gun when they welcome in an opponent who likes to do the same. Depaul’s over the Pitt hangover, and their Big East games have now totaled 75, 76, and 82 possessions. They’re style forces the tempo and Seton Hall’s guards are too inexperienced and young to slow it down. I’m probably going to need some scoring from Depaul for this one to be sent over, and the last two meetings against Willard here, they’ve had 66 and 65 shot attempts in those games respectively. I just don’t see how this one goes slow.

    1* Depaul/Seton Hall Over 149.5

    Both of these teams are coming off big rare wins, and Notre Dame’s coming off a 2OT victory. Prior to that USF offensive explosion at Nova, they scored 51, 40, 42, and 46 in true road settings. Add in the letdown, and back to that average we go. Notre Dame utilized the burn at Louisville, so a good chance they show it here. Two slow teams, and USF will try to force feed the post, and Notre Dame has Uconn on deck. Take out USF’s two games against Depaul and Providence on the road last year (ultra fast paced squads), and USF averaged 55 on the road in BE play. With all the factors + the burn, tough to see them hit that tonight. First one to 40 wins.

    1* USF/Notre Dame Under 122
     
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    And some Leans: 

    Lean: Ohio State/Illinois Over 123
    Lean: Florida State/Virginia Tech Under 126.5
    Lean: LaSalle/Penn Under 137

    Some Tuesday Tidbits: Ball State in a letdown spot? They just beat the only competition they have on that half of the MAC West…unless they falter tonight. This will be the fourth straight insanely fast tempo game that they take part in and a bad offense has benefitted from the first three being up and down. Probably some value in Ball State if they don’t letup. Probably some insane value in the Florida and Georgia game pointing to the under if you think Florida’s going to slow the tempo and get back to their old ways as they did against Tennessee. Georgia’s a snail with a good defense, so that total seems a bit high but due to the fact that Florida’s been running quite a bit. I don’t think Georgia will let them, and the Florida defense coming off a loss should be good enough to shut down a porous Georgia offense. Probably going to be a ton of three-point shots going up, though. I think I played the under 133 last year when they put up 195 in 2OT, LOL. Illinois State is in a rough spot. They hit the road after the big win over UNI and failed miserably. They beat Missouri State on the road and came home and failed miserably against Evansville, yet Carmichael hit a three at the buzzer, which might I add was the first three-pointer of his career. Now they go on the road to face the predicted champ. Do they carry momentum? Or do they fall flat on their face? In the last four meetings in the series, they’ve failed to make more than 5 three-pointers. If they don’t exceed that tonight, there is a good chance they lose by 20+. This is a matchup of two of the teams tied for the lead in the MVC at the moment. Just goes to show how much of a mess this conference really is. Bradley’s had Drake’s # as of late, but a new squad this year and it appears Van Deest is going to redshirt, making Drake a very good team next year, and an average one this year. I think Kansas State size is something Baylor will struggle with, and Kansas State’s going to have to shoot Baylor out of the zone, which I don’t see being possible with a lack of shooters. Probably a good spot for an under as I see a tough, physical defensive contest with both squads coming off high tempo teams. 

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    And some Leans: 

    Lean: Ohio State/Illinois Over 123
    Lean: Florida State/Virginia Tech Under 126.5
    Lean: LaSalle/Penn Under 137

    Some Tuesday Tidbits: Ball State in a letdown spot? They just beat the only competition they have on that half of the MAC West…unless they falter tonight. This will be the fourth straight insanely fast tempo game that they take part in and a bad offense has benefitted from the first three being up and down. Probably some value in Ball State if they don’t letup. Probably some insane value in the Florida and Georgia game pointing to the under if you think Florida’s going to slow the tempo and get back to their old ways as they did against Tennessee. Georgia’s a snail with a good defense, so that total seems a bit high but due to the fact that Florida’s been running quite a bit. I don’t think Georgia will let them, and the Florida defense coming off a loss should be good enough to shut down a porous Georgia offense. Probably going to be a ton of three-point shots going up, though. I think I played the under 133 last year when they put up 195 in 2OT, LOL. Illinois State is in a rough spot. They hit the road after the big win over UNI and failed miserably. They beat Missouri State on the road and came home and failed miserably against Evansville, yet Carmichael hit a three at the buzzer, which might I add was the first three-pointer of his career. Now they go on the road to face the predicted champ. Do they carry momentum? Or do they fall flat on their face? In the last four meetings in the series, they’ve failed to make more than 5 three-pointers. If they don’t exceed that tonight, there is a good chance they lose by 20+. This is a matchup of two of the teams tied for the lead in the MVC at the moment. Just goes to show how much of a mess this conference really is. Bradley’s had Drake’s # as of late, but a new squad this year and it appears Van Deest is going to redshirt, making Drake a very good team next year, and an average one this year. I think Kansas State size is something Baylor will struggle with, and Kansas State’s going to have to shoot Baylor out of the zone, which I don’t see being possible with a lack of shooters. Probably a good spot for an under as I see a tough, physical defensive contest with both squads coming off high tempo teams. 

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     gl today NEIL you always seem to find a diamond
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    nropp,1st off, do u think FSU can cover/ and or win str8 up??

    2nd...any opinion on the Baylor/K'State game?

    thnx buddy.
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    nropp,1st off, do u think FSU can cover/ and or win str8 up??

    2nd...any opinion on the Baylor/K'State game?

    thnx buddy.
     
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    thnx for all the information Nroop!

    i really like your picks and leans

    im following a formula and the only huge difference i found today  is in the Evansville @ Indiana St -8 . 

    if you have some info i really appreciate your insights in this one...

    thnx for your time and GL
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    thnx for all the information Nroop!

    i really like your picks and leans

    im following a formula and the only huge difference i found today  is in the Evansville @ Indiana St -8 . 

    if you have some info i really appreciate your insights in this one...

    thnx for your time and GL
     
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    damn.  good words.  
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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2012 - 2:25 PM ET #8

    GL Neil.  could you please provide your thoughts on LaSalle -6 tonight.
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    sorry  La Salle -5
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    Gotta like USF +6 considering you like the under and the spot ND is in dont you Ropp?
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    Any insight on the N Iowa Creighton game. I am leaning Creighton -6 right now. N Iowa will play good defense but Creighton has went up against good defenses this year and have proven they can score. I worry about Creighton D a little.

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    Any insight on the N Iowa Creighton game. I am leaning Creighton -6 right now. N Iowa will play good defense but Creighton has went up against good defenses this year and have proven they can score. I worry about Creighton D a little.

    Thanks

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by FR3SH-like-UgHH:

    nropp,1st off, do u think FSU can cover/ and or win str8 up??

    2nd...any opinion on the Baylor/K'State game?

    thnx buddy.

    I do think FSU has a good chance of winning outright, but I can't trust that offense on the road. Value is probably on the pup, game is basically a coinflip.

    I think Baylor struggles tonight. Weird spot for both teams coming off a fast pace into what should be a tough grind it out physical battle tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FR3SH-like-UgHH:

    nropp,1st off, do u think FSU can cover/ and or win str8 up??

    2nd...any opinion on the Baylor/K'State game?

    thnx buddy.

    I do think FSU has a good chance of winning outright, but I can't trust that offense on the road. Value is probably on the pup, game is basically a coinflip.

    I think Baylor struggles tonight. Weird spot for both teams coming off a fast pace into what should be a tough grind it out physical battle tonight.

    GL
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Czar_10:

    thnx for all the information Nroop!

    i really like your picks and leans

    im following a formula and the only huge difference i found today  is in the Evansville @ Indiana St -8 . 

    if you have some info i really appreciate your insights in this one...

    thnx for your time and GL

    We've seen some weird stuff happen in the Valley so far this year, so your guess is as good as mine. If I had to make a guess, I'd say this is a pretty rough spot for Evansville. They came within a point of beating the predicted champ in Wichita State at home, then went on the road and had Illinois State beat for a full forty minutes before losing on a last second prayer. Tough to try and guess how they show up tonight.

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    thnx for all the information Nroop!

    i really like your picks and leans

    im following a formula and the only huge difference i found today  is in the Evansville @ Indiana St -8 . 

    if you have some info i really appreciate your insights in this one...

    thnx for your time and GL

    We've seen some weird stuff happen in the Valley so far this year, so your guess is as good as mine. If I had to make a guess, I'd say this is a pretty rough spot for Evansville. They came within a point of beating the predicted champ in Wichita State at home, then went on the road and had Illinois State beat for a full forty minutes before losing on a last second prayer. Tough to try and guess how they show up tonight.

    GL
     
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    Thanks for the info and insight as always Neil! BOL today!
    Histrionic personality disorder. It's sad
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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2012 - 2:58 PM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by ringneck82:

    GL Neil.  could you please provide your thoughts on LaSalle -6 tonight.

    Ugly spot. Scheduling is awful. Won their first two A-10 games, now they draw a spot that essentially means nothing, and comes right before two more big A-10 games in Dayton and Temple. Probably not going to get their best effort tonight. Neither team crashes the glass all that well, just seems like one of those games that both teams will try to just get through. I have no interest in backing Penn, but wouldn't like my money on a LaSalle team in a game that's in the middle of conference season.

    Saw a similar spot the other day when Wisconsin MKE travelled to Western Michigan and they rested some regulars and lost. Conference games are more important, especially when you're in the thick of things.

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    GL Neil.  could you please provide your thoughts on LaSalle -6 tonight.

    Ugly spot. Scheduling is awful. Won their first two A-10 games, now they draw a spot that essentially means nothing, and comes right before two more big A-10 games in Dayton and Temple. Probably not going to get their best effort tonight. Neither team crashes the glass all that well, just seems like one of those games that both teams will try to just get through. I have no interest in backing Penn, but wouldn't like my money on a LaSalle team in a game that's in the middle of conference season.

    Saw a similar spot the other day when Wisconsin MKE travelled to Western Michigan and they rested some regulars and lost. Conference games are more important, especially when you're in the thick of things.

    GL
     
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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2012 - 2:59 PM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

    Gotta like USF +6 considering you like the under and the spot ND is in dont you Ropp?

    Yes. Tiny bit scared of USF zone and the offensive #'s they have posted on the road.
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    Gotta like USF +6 considering you like the under and the spot ND is in dont you Ropp?

    Yes. Tiny bit scared of USF zone and the offensive #'s they have posted on the road.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmoore916:

    Any insight on the N Iowa Creighton game. I am leaning Creighton -6 right now. N Iowa will play good defense but Creighton has went up against good defenses this year and have proven they can score. I worry about Creighton D a little.

    Thanks


    UNI has the personnel to shut Creighton down from an offensive standpoint, but they've been so on and off lately they're hard to trust. I think if you're backing Creighton, you're in a pretty good spot and you'll have to hope that the UNI offense goes into a lull, which is more than possible.

    McDermott was 18/23 from the field the other night. 

    He scored 44. 

    Bradley's defense. 
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    Any insight on the N Iowa Creighton game. I am leaning Creighton -6 right now. N Iowa will play good defense but Creighton has went up against good defenses this year and have proven they can score. I worry about Creighton D a little.

    Thanks


    UNI has the personnel to shut Creighton down from an offensive standpoint, but they've been so on and off lately they're hard to trust. I think if you're backing Creighton, you're in a pretty good spot and you'll have to hope that the UNI offense goes into a lull, which is more than possible.

    McDermott was 18/23 from the field the other night. 

    He scored 44. 

    Bradley's defense. 
     
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    Hey nropp. I haven't been in the college basketball forum in a while. I was wondering how you rank your games? 5 being the highest?

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    Hey nropp. I haven't been in the college basketball forum in a while. I was wondering how you rank your games? 5 being the highest?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nropp11:


    Yes. Tiny bit scared of USF zone and the offensive #'s they have posted on the road.


    I agree, but line just went to 6.5. Way too much ND love off a lucky win imo.
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    Yes. Tiny bit scared of USF zone and the offensive #'s they have posted on the road.


    I agree, but line just went to 6.5. Way too much ND love off a lucky win imo.
     
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     NEIL THOUGHTS OF LOUISVILLE ON THE ROAD I WAS LEANING
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    I cant remember you laying this much chalk in awhile if ever,lol,so based on that both plays have to be in my list,lol.I already liked Ohio St,but wasnt going to give the points,now WTH,lets roll them.

    As Always great work and thanks for sharing with us here,'
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    I cant remember you laying this much chalk in awhile if ever,lol,so based on that both plays have to be in my list,lol.I already liked Ohio St,but wasnt going to give the points,now WTH,lets roll them.

    As Always great work and thanks for sharing with us here,'
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    Quote Originally Posted by ac_bum:

     NEIL THOUGHTS OF LOUISVILLE ON THE ROAD I WAS LEANING
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    Probably a good thing to fade a struggling offense after a OT marathon game. Just not sure if I could trust Providence w/ immediate revenge w/ Syracuse on deck. They've only scored more than 30 in one half out of eight against what I would consider "base" defenses, which is what they'll see tonight (those games: UNI, ISU, GTOWN, SHALL). I didn't group Syracuse in there b/c it's not your normal style.

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    Probably a good thing to fade a struggling offense after a OT marathon game. Just not sure if I could trust Providence w/ immediate revenge w/ Syracuse on deck. They've only scored more than 30 in one half out of eight against what I would consider "base" defenses, which is what they'll see tonight (those games: UNI, ISU, GTOWN, SHALL). I didn't group Syracuse in there b/c it's not your normal style.

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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2012 - 4:10 PM ET #23

    i'm not sure I agree that Larranaga wants to run.

    Of the 14 games Miami's played this year, only four have gone over 68 possessions and two were in OT. So that looks like two games over the key 70-possession mark in regulation against the #4 tempo (UMass) and #17 (Greensboro), while they kept Memphis (#46) two possessions under their average in a blowout loss that would only be one point away from covering this number. With all that said, I could agree with you that The U would love to see transition after only hitting 56 possessions in Charlottesville, but I still don't think we'll see the 75 possessions UNC wants.

    To go further with the pace, if Miami wanted to run they would have been much faster without Reggie Johnson on the court considering how much time he missed earlier in the year. Prior to his return against FAU, the 'Canes were seeing 65.8 possessions/game including one of the two OT games.

    You're 100% right that when he's in there the 'Heels are going to push it as much as they can to try and get some fastbreak dunks for Zeller in transition, but Larranaga is no dummy and I'm sure he'll have the 4-man heading back in transition to prevent that. Kadji is most likely that guy, while Akpejiori could help with that role, too. Sending that guy back on D won't make a huge difference because the 'Canes don't hit the offensive glass very hard anyways (#219), and they shoot so many perimeter shots (#63) they won't have to get that deep. If you look further at the stats, UNC doesn't foul but they give up a ton of points from deep and that plays into Miami's hands because they have six different guys who shoot above the national team average of 34.2% from 3pt land.

    I will be on The U, but I wish you luck
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    i'm not sure I agree that Larranaga wants to run.

    Of the 14 games Miami's played this year, only four have gone over 68 possessions and two were in OT. So that looks like two games over the key 70-possession mark in regulation against the #4 tempo (UMass) and #17 (Greensboro), while they kept Memphis (#46) two possessions under their average in a blowout loss that would only be one point away from covering this number. With all that said, I could agree with you that The U would love to see transition after only hitting 56 possessions in Charlottesville, but I still don't think we'll see the 75 possessions UNC wants.

    To go further with the pace, if Miami wanted to run they would have been much faster without Reggie Johnson on the court considering how much time he missed earlier in the year. Prior to his return against FAU, the 'Canes were seeing 65.8 possessions/game including one of the two OT games.

    You're 100% right that when he's in there the 'Heels are going to push it as much as they can to try and get some fastbreak dunks for Zeller in transition, but Larranaga is no dummy and I'm sure he'll have the 4-man heading back in transition to prevent that. Kadji is most likely that guy, while Akpejiori could help with that role, too. Sending that guy back on D won't make a huge difference because the 'Canes don't hit the offensive glass very hard anyways (#219), and they shoot so many perimeter shots (#63) they won't have to get that deep. If you look further at the stats, UNC doesn't foul but they give up a ton of points from deep and that plays into Miami's hands because they have six different guys who shoot above the national team average of 34.2% from 3pt land.

    I will be on The U, but I wish you luck
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by JEG53:

    I cant remember you laying this much chalk in awhile if ever,lol,so based on that both plays have to be in my list,lol.I already liked Ohio St,but wasnt going to give the points,now WTH,lets roll them.

    As Always great work and thanks for sharing with us here,'
    GL tonight

    One more chalk tomorrow, then I get away from it for a bit. Hopefully.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JEG53:

    I cant remember you laying this much chalk in awhile if ever,lol,so based on that both plays have to be in my list,lol.I already liked Ohio St,but wasnt going to give the points,now WTH,lets roll them.

    As Always great work and thanks for sharing with us here,'
    GL tonight

    One more chalk tomorrow, then I get away from it for a bit. Hopefully.
     
     
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    Good luck today bud.


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