With tonites pending fight between V. Klitschko and D. Haye I thought this is the perfect time to open a discussion about the top ten fighters of of all time. Just limiting the discussion to the top ten heavyweights would have limited and quite frankly boring. So To kick it off here's Bert Sugars Top Ten Boxers of all time. I thought this would be a good place to start because he is old enough to have seen all of the fighters on the list. Tell me what you think.
1. Sugar Ray Robinson 2. Henry Armstrong 3. Wille Pep 4. Joe Louis 5. Harry Greb 6. Benny Leonard 7. Muhammad Ali 8. Roberto Duran 9. Jack Dempsey 10. Jack Johnson
I dont know who Harry Greb is and I never saw Benny Leonard but where is Rocky Marciano?
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With tonites pending fight between V. Klitschko and D. Haye I thought this is the perfect time to open a discussion about the top ten fighters of of all time. Just limiting the discussion to the top ten heavyweights would have limited and quite frankly boring. So To kick it off here's Bert Sugars Top Ten Boxers of all time. I thought this would be a good place to start because he is old enough to have seen all of the fighters on the list. Tell me what you think.
1. Sugar Ray Robinson 2. Henry Armstrong 3. Wille Pep 4. Joe Louis 5. Harry Greb 6. Benny Leonard 7. Muhammad Ali 8. Roberto Duran 9. Jack Dempsey 10. Jack Johnson
I dont know who Harry Greb is and I never saw Benny Leonard but where is Rocky Marciano?
Jack Demsey after winning the Heavyweight title fought 6 times in 6 years losing both times to Tunney. He wouldn't make my Heavyweight list yet alone Pound-For-Pound. To exclude Marciano and have Demsey is a joke. Funny you mention Bert Sugar cause I mentioned what a joke he is as an analyst just days earlier. He has 4 Heavyweights in his top ten... get real! Armstrong, Robinson, Duran, etc... I have no problem with. Even with Ali, Joe Louis hard to discredit them too. Dempsey over Marciano, even Lennox Lewis, Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield. Demsey became a Hollywood showmen, barely fought after gaining popularity and offers to be a movie star. He barely fought, and the one real fighter he fought he lost both times against. Am I missing something? Bert is a historian taking into account the celebrity status of Demsey and not the fighter himself. I always felt Bert was a joke and if that was his list and not a joke, it proves he is a joke! Any poster on this forum that follows boxing would agree.
Jack Demsey after winning the Heavyweight title fought 6 times in 6 years losing both times to Tunney. He wouldn't make my Heavyweight list yet alone Pound-For-Pound. To exclude Marciano and have Demsey is a joke. Funny you mention Bert Sugar cause I mentioned what a joke he is as an analyst just days earlier. He has 4 Heavyweights in his top ten... get real! Armstrong, Robinson, Duran, etc... I have no problem with. Even with Ali, Joe Louis hard to discredit them too. Dempsey over Marciano, even Lennox Lewis, Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield. Demsey became a Hollywood showmen, barely fought after gaining popularity and offers to be a movie star. He barely fought, and the one real fighter he fought he lost both times against. Am I missing something? Bert is a historian taking into account the celebrity status of Demsey and not the fighter himself. I always felt Bert was a joke and if that was his list and not a joke, it proves he is a joke! Any poster on this forum that follows boxing would agree.
Jack Demsey after winning the Heavyweight title fought 6 times in 6 years losing both times to Tunney. He wouldn't make my Heavyweight list yet alone Pound-For-Pound. To exclude Marciano and have Demsey is a joke. Funny you mention Bert Sugar cause I mentioned what a joke he is as an analyst just days earlier. He has 4 Heavyweights in his top ten... get real! Armstrong, Robinson, Duran, etc... I have no problem with. Even with Ali, Joe Louis hard to discredit them too. Dempsey over Marciano, even Lennox Lewis, Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield. Demsey became a Hollywood showmen, barely fought after gaining popularity and offers to be a movie star. He barely fought, and the one real fighter he fought he lost both times against. Am I missing something? Bert is a historian taking into account the celebrity status of Demsey and not the fighter himself. I always felt Bert was a joke and if that was his list and not a joke, it proves he is a joke! Any poster on this forum that follows boxing would agree.
When Bert Sugar starts talking, I stop listening. He's too nostalgic and fails to realize that the modern athletes are ALMOST always superior to their predecessors. Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis, both Klitschkos, Holmes, Ali, Foreman all would have beat the living hell out of Dempsey in his prime.
It doesn't take much viewing of the tapes to see a very crude brawler that would easily be handled by a larger, faster, more fluid heavyweight.
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Jack Demsey after winning the Heavyweight title fought 6 times in 6 years losing both times to Tunney. He wouldn't make my Heavyweight list yet alone Pound-For-Pound. To exclude Marciano and have Demsey is a joke. Funny you mention Bert Sugar cause I mentioned what a joke he is as an analyst just days earlier. He has 4 Heavyweights in his top ten... get real! Armstrong, Robinson, Duran, etc... I have no problem with. Even with Ali, Joe Louis hard to discredit them too. Dempsey over Marciano, even Lennox Lewis, Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield. Demsey became a Hollywood showmen, barely fought after gaining popularity and offers to be a movie star. He barely fought, and the one real fighter he fought he lost both times against. Am I missing something? Bert is a historian taking into account the celebrity status of Demsey and not the fighter himself. I always felt Bert was a joke and if that was his list and not a joke, it proves he is a joke! Any poster on this forum that follows boxing would agree.
When Bert Sugar starts talking, I stop listening. He's too nostalgic and fails to realize that the modern athletes are ALMOST always superior to their predecessors. Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis, both Klitschkos, Holmes, Ali, Foreman all would have beat the living hell out of Dempsey in his prime.
It doesn't take much viewing of the tapes to see a very crude brawler that would easily be handled by a larger, faster, more fluid heavyweight.
Anyone with basic boxing skills beats him like Tunney, in which he actually ducked Tunney for people that don't know until his time came to fight or retire... he retired after his 2nd loss to Tunney. You are right about athletes being better, true in almost everysport, but you try to respect what he did in the ring and his accomplishments during each athletes times and I don't see Dempsey other then a legendary fighter coming to fame as a brawler with Hollywood calling. You can be a legend for many reasons. I was the one talking about Oscar not making THE LIST and I got complaint. Oscar would be so far aboves Demsey on THE LIST I wouldn't bother.
Anyone with basic boxing skills beats him like Tunney, in which he actually ducked Tunney for people that don't know until his time came to fight or retire... he retired after his 2nd loss to Tunney. You are right about athletes being better, true in almost everysport, but you try to respect what he did in the ring and his accomplishments during each athletes times and I don't see Dempsey other then a legendary fighter coming to fame as a brawler with Hollywood calling. You can be a legend for many reasons. I was the one talking about Oscar not making THE LIST and I got complaint. Oscar would be so far aboves Demsey on THE LIST I wouldn't bother.
you guys must be fucking crazy, any one with boxing skills would beat Dempsey? remembering dempsey for the tunney fights only is like remembering ali for the berbick fight or louis for the marciano fight, Dempsey was well past his best at that point, If you watch films of jack he seem pretty easy to hit, but remember one thing, he had a granite chin, stopped only once throughout his career that by fireman jim flynn in the first round, he also had one punch ko power in both fists, was one of the best combanation punchers in the history of the division, good hand and footspeed, he was not one of those big punchers like say david tua who just follows you around not doing anything, he attacked ferosiously, the question in his fights was that he could take yours, but could you take his, this is a man who grew up fighting in saloons for christ sake, he was as tough as they come,in his prime he was almost impossible to deal with, anyone who thinks that marciano would beat Dempsey should go and lie down for a very long time and then when you wake up , try to become an expert at something else, for the record their was one man who dempsey even admitted that he never wanted any part of and that was Sam Langford, who just might be the greatest fighter who ever lived, deffinitly in the top 3 or 4 but never got a shot a a title because of racism
you guys must be fucking crazy, any one with boxing skills would beat Dempsey? remembering dempsey for the tunney fights only is like remembering ali for the berbick fight or louis for the marciano fight, Dempsey was well past his best at that point, If you watch films of jack he seem pretty easy to hit, but remember one thing, he had a granite chin, stopped only once throughout his career that by fireman jim flynn in the first round, he also had one punch ko power in both fists, was one of the best combanation punchers in the history of the division, good hand and footspeed, he was not one of those big punchers like say david tua who just follows you around not doing anything, he attacked ferosiously, the question in his fights was that he could take yours, but could you take his, this is a man who grew up fighting in saloons for christ sake, he was as tough as they come,in his prime he was almost impossible to deal with, anyone who thinks that marciano would beat Dempsey should go and lie down for a very long time and then when you wake up , try to become an expert at something else, for the record their was one man who dempsey even admitted that he never wanted any part of and that was Sam Langford, who just might be the greatest fighter who ever lived, deffinitly in the top 3 or 4 but never got a shot a a title because of racism
cubman, you mentioned you didn't know who harry greb is, that's a shame, I would most likely rate him as the toughest fighter in the history of the sport. he fought everone from welterweight to heavyweight that was willing to fight him, ring magazine rates him as the greatest middleweight of all time, I usually have him at 2 or 3 depending on which day you ask me. their are no fight films of his on tape, although his fight with mickey walker and I beleive both tiger flowers fights were filmed, but have been lost in the archives, maybe one day someone will stumble across them, their is training scessions of him availible on the internet,for those interested.
cubman, you mentioned you didn't know who harry greb is, that's a shame, I would most likely rate him as the toughest fighter in the history of the sport. he fought everone from welterweight to heavyweight that was willing to fight him, ring magazine rates him as the greatest middleweight of all time, I usually have him at 2 or 3 depending on which day you ask me. their are no fight films of his on tape, although his fight with mickey walker and I beleive both tiger flowers fights were filmed, but have been lost in the archives, maybe one day someone will stumble across them, their is training scessions of him availible on the internet,for those interested.
thesoulpurpose: Dempsey ducked Tunney till the very end. Funny you mention David Tua as I was speaking about he biggest one punch power fighter ever and someone voted Tua. Unlike Tyson, he didn't have the hand speed to increase the power. Only Foreman punched slower with that super power. Back to Dempsey, yes when they use the killer instinct phrase and use him as the poster-boy for the relentless two-handed bashing machine. Also, I never questioned his chin because yes he had no defense with his offense, some people call it boxing fundamentals. Simply stated: Demsey was entertaining to watch, but over-rated to be considered with ther best. His Hollywood looks and charisma allowed him to associate with the movie stars and make him a bigger than life figure.
Dempsey the boxer: A two-handed relentless power punching action fighter, throwing punches from any angle off balance or anyway he could. Pound-for-Pound an all-time great, I'll pass on the voting for him. His fights you can compare the action to more like a modern-day tough-man competition.
thesoulpurpose: Dempsey ducked Tunney till the very end. Funny you mention David Tua as I was speaking about he biggest one punch power fighter ever and someone voted Tua. Unlike Tyson, he didn't have the hand speed to increase the power. Only Foreman punched slower with that super power. Back to Dempsey, yes when they use the killer instinct phrase and use him as the poster-boy for the relentless two-handed bashing machine. Also, I never questioned his chin because yes he had no defense with his offense, some people call it boxing fundamentals. Simply stated: Demsey was entertaining to watch, but over-rated to be considered with ther best. His Hollywood looks and charisma allowed him to associate with the movie stars and make him a bigger than life figure.
Dempsey the boxer: A two-handed relentless power punching action fighter, throwing punches from any angle off balance or anyway he could. Pound-for-Pound an all-time great, I'll pass on the voting for him. His fights you can compare the action to more like a modern-day tough-man competition.
Dempsey ducked no one but sam langford(some would say he ducked harry wills, but that was the powers to be not wanting to give a black guy a shot at the title) tex richard and doc kearns ran dempseys career much the same way don king runs fighters careers today,they beleived that they could make more money doing the hollywood thing while fighting exabition bouts in the progress, jack wanted to fight and this caused a serious rift between dempsey an his team,almost ending the relationships numerous times, dempsey ducked no one but langford, tunney was a lightheavyweight throughout most of his career and had only a handful of heavyweight fights, so to say that dempsey ducked him is wrong. from the 1880 to the 1920 all heavyweight champions took the hollywood type road, dempsey wanted to change that, but it wasn't meant to be. I can tell by your blogs that you are not a fighter, just some guy who thinks he knows what he is talking about, you have never been in a boxing match, anyone who has will see things in dempsey that are simply out of your league to see, period. and if you want to doubt my boxing credentials just remember my user name, my pro debut is soon,I will take the boxing world by storm, the same way dempsey did.
Dempsey ducked no one but sam langford(some would say he ducked harry wills, but that was the powers to be not wanting to give a black guy a shot at the title) tex richard and doc kearns ran dempseys career much the same way don king runs fighters careers today,they beleived that they could make more money doing the hollywood thing while fighting exabition bouts in the progress, jack wanted to fight and this caused a serious rift between dempsey an his team,almost ending the relationships numerous times, dempsey ducked no one but langford, tunney was a lightheavyweight throughout most of his career and had only a handful of heavyweight fights, so to say that dempsey ducked him is wrong. from the 1880 to the 1920 all heavyweight champions took the hollywood type road, dempsey wanted to change that, but it wasn't meant to be. I can tell by your blogs that you are not a fighter, just some guy who thinks he knows what he is talking about, you have never been in a boxing match, anyone who has will see things in dempsey that are simply out of your league to see, period. and if you want to doubt my boxing credentials just remember my user name, my pro debut is soon,I will take the boxing world by storm, the same way dempsey did.
Wow- Nice guess but you are way off kid. Not only boxing, but use to kickbox & use to compete MMA Pride & few others. Taught hand-to-hand to SF in several countries & seminars to everyday people and corporate travelers on everything from spotting, driving and LODS which was part Krav Maga & BJJ. I trained with Tadashi Yamashita when I was 12 as he would come to NY after visiting friends in MI. I trained a lightweight fighter (16-19) for 3 years and in 2007 Golden Boy Promotions made him an offer. SO YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE THE WORLD BY STORM? LOL- I've seen jokers like that who make stupid statements and they have no clue. You are talking about a fighter 100 years ago like you and him were best friends and you trained with him. You watched films and read historians like Bert Sugar having no idea what it takes to be a real warrior. It's a mind-set based on principles that you follow to the core. Come to Netanya with me and I have a girl you can spare using 4oz MMA gloves and if you could last 3 rounds you get $25k. The price I offer doesn't matter cause you couldn't last and wouldn't ever do it. Your statement about your pro debut tells it all with your repeat analysis with facts from historians and stating it as you trained with Dempsey. So, if you are going to be a superstar, what's your name? Have you ever even fought amateur? I'm 100% sure you won't say which is not the way a person taking the world by storm (for real) would be... he would be promoting himself. Next time you post a fact from a fighter a century ago and about your PRO DEBUT by storm, come at someone who'd buy a bridge they are selling over in Brooklyn.
Wow- Nice guess but you are way off kid. Not only boxing, but use to kickbox & use to compete MMA Pride & few others. Taught hand-to-hand to SF in several countries & seminars to everyday people and corporate travelers on everything from spotting, driving and LODS which was part Krav Maga & BJJ. I trained with Tadashi Yamashita when I was 12 as he would come to NY after visiting friends in MI. I trained a lightweight fighter (16-19) for 3 years and in 2007 Golden Boy Promotions made him an offer. SO YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE THE WORLD BY STORM? LOL- I've seen jokers like that who make stupid statements and they have no clue. You are talking about a fighter 100 years ago like you and him were best friends and you trained with him. You watched films and read historians like Bert Sugar having no idea what it takes to be a real warrior. It's a mind-set based on principles that you follow to the core. Come to Netanya with me and I have a girl you can spare using 4oz MMA gloves and if you could last 3 rounds you get $25k. The price I offer doesn't matter cause you couldn't last and wouldn't ever do it. Your statement about your pro debut tells it all with your repeat analysis with facts from historians and stating it as you trained with Dempsey. So, if you are going to be a superstar, what's your name? Have you ever even fought amateur? I'm 100% sure you won't say which is not the way a person taking the world by storm (for real) would be... he would be promoting himself. Next time you post a fact from a fighter a century ago and about your PRO DEBUT by storm, come at someone who'd buy a bridge they are selling over in Brooklyn.
hey motherfucker, you used to do this, you used to do that, well what do you do now, punk, put your money up old man and I will comedown to new york and kick your ass, bitch, I had 90 amateur fights with only 2 losses, we can do it on the street or at gleasons take your pick bitch, or you can come to montreal and we can do it here, bitch, oh and what's your name old man, using you name on a sports gambling site is on of the dumbest things that I have ever heard, It is illegal dumb fuck, anytime any place old man, you made a statement about promoting myself, that's what boxing is a about bitch, thesoulpurpose for a reason punk, my life has been 100 percent dedicated to this sport for over 14 years, box, fuckin with me you will end up in the woods somewhere old man,
hey motherfucker, you used to do this, you used to do that, well what do you do now, punk, put your money up old man and I will comedown to new york and kick your ass, bitch, I had 90 amateur fights with only 2 losses, we can do it on the street or at gleasons take your pick bitch, or you can come to montreal and we can do it here, bitch, oh and what's your name old man, using you name on a sports gambling site is on of the dumbest things that I have ever heard, It is illegal dumb fuck, anytime any place old man, you made a statement about promoting myself, that's what boxing is a about bitch, thesoulpurpose for a reason punk, my life has been 100 percent dedicated to this sport for over 14 years, box, fuckin with me you will end up in the woods somewhere old man,
matter of fact, I will fight you for free, fuck the money, you couldn't last 20 seconds with me in a street fight, and would not be able to make into the second round in the ring,
matter of fact, I will fight you for free, fuck the money, you couldn't last 20 seconds with me in a street fight, and would not be able to make into the second round in the ring,
LOL- 100% response without a name (Like I said), but got his big pro debut... hmmm. Anyone who communicates like a joker usually is, maybe in Canada it's different but I stopped talking like a child when I GREW UP. What are you 13? 14 Years of dedication... so you know when or if you do start fighting that professionals (not loud mouth swearing kids) have the higest respect for other professionals and even rank beginners. Maybe if you learn a few educated words you can make your own 24/7 highlight video on youtube. Anyone that posts like you is a CLOWN or someone joking around. You post the picture of your bedroom at mommies house where you train and I'll post a video clip of one of my studios with adults that are amateur and pros. Always fascinating you know so much personal information about a guy that was born in the 1800s,... in the U.S. we call that a copycat. Copy and paste more historical facts, maybe about Samurai because there are plenty of portraits. BTW-For those reading that would like a deep insightful book read "The Unfettered Mind: Writings of the Zen Master to the Sword Master".
thesoulpurpose: Be a man, not a clown. I noticed you mention one of the few Candian Boxers that were decent (Sam Langford that Dempsey never fought). Back to your little copy paste article about Dempsey, thanks for the history we call could have looked up. Has Canada produced any great fighters recently (or ever)? I guess you taking the boxing world by storm will change all that, so if you ever do fight amateur in the U.S. you have to pay $30 for a license and you can then compete. Good luck thesoulpurpose, or should I call you the "Name-less Storm!".
LOL- 100% response without a name (Like I said), but got his big pro debut... hmmm. Anyone who communicates like a joker usually is, maybe in Canada it's different but I stopped talking like a child when I GREW UP. What are you 13? 14 Years of dedication... so you know when or if you do start fighting that professionals (not loud mouth swearing kids) have the higest respect for other professionals and even rank beginners. Maybe if you learn a few educated words you can make your own 24/7 highlight video on youtube. Anyone that posts like you is a CLOWN or someone joking around. You post the picture of your bedroom at mommies house where you train and I'll post a video clip of one of my studios with adults that are amateur and pros. Always fascinating you know so much personal information about a guy that was born in the 1800s,... in the U.S. we call that a copycat. Copy and paste more historical facts, maybe about Samurai because there are plenty of portraits. BTW-For those reading that would like a deep insightful book read "The Unfettered Mind: Writings of the Zen Master to the Sword Master".
thesoulpurpose: Be a man, not a clown. I noticed you mention one of the few Candian Boxers that were decent (Sam Langford that Dempsey never fought). Back to your little copy paste article about Dempsey, thanks for the history we call could have looked up. Has Canada produced any great fighters recently (or ever)? I guess you taking the boxing world by storm will change all that, so if you ever do fight amateur in the U.S. you have to pay $30 for a license and you can then compete. Good luck thesoulpurpose, or should I call you the "Name-less Storm!".
thesoulpurpose: Covers is not a gambling site (as you state) just so you know... they don't take bets. It's a site with sports and handicapping and CLOWNS. I actually used real gambling sites and poker sites with my real name and strangely it wasn't illegal at the time. Maybe in Canada posting your real name online is against the law (LOL). Very knowledgeable guy with no name... alright kid, you had your 15 minutes of fame as a pro boxer. I remember my debut, I wouldn't sign my name. You also play in the woods, with sticks? Times up kid, you had us all fooled. Bye-bye!
thesoulpurpose: Covers is not a gambling site (as you state) just so you know... they don't take bets. It's a site with sports and handicapping and CLOWNS. I actually used real gambling sites and poker sites with my real name and strangely it wasn't illegal at the time. Maybe in Canada posting your real name online is against the law (LOL). Very knowledgeable guy with no name... alright kid, you had your 15 minutes of fame as a pro boxer. I remember my debut, I wouldn't sign my name. You also play in the woods, with sticks? Times up kid, you had us all fooled. Bye-bye!
First off, when it comes to boxing knowledge you are not even close to me, as I have read your blogs and you don;t really know shit, not even mentioning sam langford in your greatest fighter of all time discussion, calling james toney an overachiever when clearly he is one of the great underachievers in boxing history, I can go on all day about your bullshit, but I have no desire to, Second, I was dead serious about kicking your ass, anytime, you doubt me, I doubt you, lets see who;s real. I fight that's what I do, that's all I do, you are doubting boxing in montreal? this city has some of the best amateurs in the world, a huge amount of pro prospects and some of the best fight fans in the game you mentioned that dempsey wouldn't make your heavyweight list let alone your pound for pound, wrong, every intelligent boxing fan, has dempsey in their top 10 heavyweights, also have you noticed that not one person on this site uses their real name, their is a reason for that, I may as well just go down to to police station and give them all of my sports picks for this year and hope that they don't investigate and then pray that they don't take notice of all the money that I receive through western union each year. I WILL PERSONALLY PAY FOR A PLANE TICKET SO YOU CAN FLY DOWN TO MONTREAL AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS THIS MAN TO MAN, THEN WE WILL SEE WHO IS THE FAKE ONE HERE, you mentioned acting like a pro, what type of pro are you bitch, I respect fighters not guys who pretend to be, YOU MENTIONED 15 MIN OF FAME, YOUR GETTING YOURS RIGHT NOW TALKING TO ME, one day in a few years you will be able to say that THESOULPURPOSE challenged me to a fight and that you punked out, but at least YOU GOT YOUR 15 MIN OF FAME, you mentioned teddy atlas, ask him about the white boy from canada who koed 3 sparring partners in a row at gleasons about 6 years ago, he will remember. you are from new york right, go down to gleasons and ask him.
First off, when it comes to boxing knowledge you are not even close to me, as I have read your blogs and you don;t really know shit, not even mentioning sam langford in your greatest fighter of all time discussion, calling james toney an overachiever when clearly he is one of the great underachievers in boxing history, I can go on all day about your bullshit, but I have no desire to, Second, I was dead serious about kicking your ass, anytime, you doubt me, I doubt you, lets see who;s real. I fight that's what I do, that's all I do, you are doubting boxing in montreal? this city has some of the best amateurs in the world, a huge amount of pro prospects and some of the best fight fans in the game you mentioned that dempsey wouldn't make your heavyweight list let alone your pound for pound, wrong, every intelligent boxing fan, has dempsey in their top 10 heavyweights, also have you noticed that not one person on this site uses their real name, their is a reason for that, I may as well just go down to to police station and give them all of my sports picks for this year and hope that they don't investigate and then pray that they don't take notice of all the money that I receive through western union each year. I WILL PERSONALLY PAY FOR A PLANE TICKET SO YOU CAN FLY DOWN TO MONTREAL AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS THIS MAN TO MAN, THEN WE WILL SEE WHO IS THE FAKE ONE HERE, you mentioned acting like a pro, what type of pro are you bitch, I respect fighters not guys who pretend to be, YOU MENTIONED 15 MIN OF FAME, YOUR GETTING YOURS RIGHT NOW TALKING TO ME, one day in a few years you will be able to say that THESOULPURPOSE challenged me to a fight and that you punked out, but at least YOU GOT YOUR 15 MIN OF FAME, you mentioned teddy atlas, ask him about the white boy from canada who koed 3 sparring partners in a row at gleasons about 6 years ago, he will remember. you are from new york right, go down to gleasons and ask him.
you mentioned educated words, well I have a book that's coming out about prophecy and how what's going on in the middle east is going to change the world as we know it, the title is A NEW BEGINNING, It is scheduled to hit stores in late november early december of this year, YOU ARE NOT EVEN ON MY LEVEL, OLD MAN, physically, mentally or spiritually .
you mentioned educated words, well I have a book that's coming out about prophecy and how what's going on in the middle east is going to change the world as we know it, the title is A NEW BEGINNING, It is scheduled to hit stores in late november early december of this year, YOU ARE NOT EVEN ON MY LEVEL, OLD MAN, physically, mentally or spiritually .
Anyone who makes threats online and is serious is a clown and a fool. Once again, you named how many great fighters from Canada? I'm sure you just make tons with Western Union, I actually claim professional gambler on my taxes an use items of articles, more than 50% revenue is from poker, the rest is investments and professional training. California is the only state you claim a poker profession and it is considered a game of skill not luck. Making excuses about having no real boxing career and the illegalities of using a real name online... but TAKING THE BOXING WORLD BY STORM is legal... I just have to wear a mask so no one knows my greatness. The whiteboy from Canada to Teddy... wow, you really got me. Either your another little kid or one of the most immature adults online. Why don't you just say you'll bring your cousin too...LOL! Kid, when you really compete, people don't talk like you... it's called advertising and fight hype to sell tickets. GROW UP and realize this and maybe in a few more years you'll stop training for WWE cause it's the real deal. LOL- You make statements hiding behind a computer. If you were making a pro debut you would have said who you were, as REAL FIGHTERS DO! They even have posters with their names and commercials. Yep, Canada is known for its great champion boxers and so many Olympic Gold Medals. After reading all your great posts, you must be 13 and definitely from the rough streets of Canada (hardcore - LOL). Thanks for the laughs whiteboy with 3 KOs from Canada 6 years ago! WWE has try-outs next week in the rough area of Montreal. I like how you copy everything, even when I use all capitals... poor kid, learn to think on your own not copy and paste the history of Jack Dempsey.
Anyone who makes threats online and is serious is a clown and a fool. Once again, you named how many great fighters from Canada? I'm sure you just make tons with Western Union, I actually claim professional gambler on my taxes an use items of articles, more than 50% revenue is from poker, the rest is investments and professional training. California is the only state you claim a poker profession and it is considered a game of skill not luck. Making excuses about having no real boxing career and the illegalities of using a real name online... but TAKING THE BOXING WORLD BY STORM is legal... I just have to wear a mask so no one knows my greatness. The whiteboy from Canada to Teddy... wow, you really got me. Either your another little kid or one of the most immature adults online. Why don't you just say you'll bring your cousin too...LOL! Kid, when you really compete, people don't talk like you... it's called advertising and fight hype to sell tickets. GROW UP and realize this and maybe in a few more years you'll stop training for WWE cause it's the real deal. LOL- You make statements hiding behind a computer. If you were making a pro debut you would have said who you were, as REAL FIGHTERS DO! They even have posters with their names and commercials. Yep, Canada is known for its great champion boxers and so many Olympic Gold Medals. After reading all your great posts, you must be 13 and definitely from the rough streets of Canada (hardcore - LOL). Thanks for the laughs whiteboy with 3 KOs from Canada 6 years ago! WWE has try-outs next week in the rough area of Montreal. I like how you copy everything, even when I use all capitals... poor kid, learn to think on your own not copy and paste the history of Jack Dempsey.
thesoulpurpose: It's simple to know you are a kid as all your friends displayed are half-naked girls (Wow-you are cool, and a real smooth operator). Also, you consistently have time to enter and lose units in the Covers League Contest. You aren't even 50%! Stop telling stories that are made up or about someone else and learn to handicap because you suck at it and probably just take peoples picks from the forums.
thesoulpurpose: It's simple to know you are a kid as all your friends displayed are half-naked girls (Wow-you are cool, and a real smooth operator). Also, you consistently have time to enter and lose units in the Covers League Contest. You aren't even 50%! Stop telling stories that are made up or about someone else and learn to handicap because you suck at it and probably just take peoples picks from the forums.
Old man, I simply don't like people who pose a fighters,I am willing to prove that I am a fighter, but you don't seem interested, your talking about my friends on my covers account, those are all people who write college football blogs, It's a picture that they chose not me, you say I am hiding behind my computer, your the one doing that, I will pay for the ticket, remember. you know nothing, you are a poser old man, I figured that you would of gotten past that stage by now, you did say one thing right though, I did struggle a little bit with nba and nfl picks this year, I will give you that, but you will not find a better college football or boxing capper. YOUR 15 MIN OF FAME IS UP ALONG TIME AGO, GO AWAY, either that or put your money where your mouth is, like I am willing to do.
Old man, I simply don't like people who pose a fighters,I am willing to prove that I am a fighter, but you don't seem interested, your talking about my friends on my covers account, those are all people who write college football blogs, It's a picture that they chose not me, you say I am hiding behind my computer, your the one doing that, I will pay for the ticket, remember. you know nothing, you are a poser old man, I figured that you would of gotten past that stage by now, you did say one thing right though, I did struggle a little bit with nba and nfl picks this year, I will give you that, but you will not find a better college football or boxing capper. YOUR 15 MIN OF FAME IS UP ALONG TIME AGO, GO AWAY, either that or put your money where your mouth is, like I am willing to do.
I feel sorry for you old man, I am able to site here and talk with a looser like you because I sprained my ankle, running stairs, you know training, so I got a couple weeks on my hands, what's your excuse, do you need a friend, I know that your life has past you by, but here are a couple of college football picks to prove another point, LSU money line over oregon in week one, LSU has a very tought schedule but I believe that they are the best in the nation, also take mississippi stae over memphis in week one big, the bulldogs win this game by 5+ touchdowns, use these picks and try to get yourself a better life, I probly shouldn't be picking on a old looser like you, maybe I should even send you a copy of my book, you would learn a lot from it, or should I send an autograph, would that make things better. I can pray for you if you want, me and the almighty are pretty tight, you must be in bed by now, old man, I guess I will have to wait until tomorrow for your response
I feel sorry for you old man, I am able to site here and talk with a looser like you because I sprained my ankle, running stairs, you know training, so I got a couple weeks on my hands, what's your excuse, do you need a friend, I know that your life has past you by, but here are a couple of college football picks to prove another point, LSU money line over oregon in week one, LSU has a very tought schedule but I believe that they are the best in the nation, also take mississippi stae over memphis in week one big, the bulldogs win this game by 5+ touchdowns, use these picks and try to get yourself a better life, I probly shouldn't be picking on a old looser like you, maybe I should even send you a copy of my book, you would learn a lot from it, or should I send an autograph, would that make things better. I can pray for you if you want, me and the almighty are pretty tight, you must be in bed by now, old man, I guess I will have to wait until tomorrow for your response
GOODYMOW, I love the fact that you have armstrong as your number 1 pound for pound, the guy was a machine, you must know your shit, he is in my top 3, I change my mind all of the time on where in the top 3 I put him, his record of holding 3 titles in 3 different weight classes at the same time is one of the most remarkable feats in sports history, and just think that's when their was one champ per division, not 5 or 6 and only 8 weight divisions, not 17,
GOODYMOW, I love the fact that you have armstrong as your number 1 pound for pound, the guy was a machine, you must know your shit, he is in my top 3, I change my mind all of the time on where in the top 3 I put him, his record of holding 3 titles in 3 different weight classes at the same time is one of the most remarkable feats in sports history, and just think that's when their was one champ per division, not 5 or 6 and only 8 weight divisions, not 17,
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