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    Mack05
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2009 - 7:59 AM ET #26

    Great boxing discussion. Spin I never rated Mundine. Maybe its because I lived in Australia and was there when he switched from rugby league to boxing. Plus like most Aussies, I had and still have a real dislike for the guy. I certainly never thought he was world class.
     
    I was stunned to see the Kessler odds for the Calzaghe fight and I had a Big bet on Joe. I truly believe Kessler is over hyped and while I expect him to start well (he will win 3 of 3 or 2 of 3), I just can't see him winning this..In my eyes he doesnt have a plan B. He doesnt have the ability to adapt mid fight like all the greats do.
     
    The only way he wins this is if both Ward and Dirrell turn out to be total bums. And AA is not as good as I think he is. I guess I am hoping a boxing great emerges from this. If one does then it won't be Kessler, if there isn't one obviously he has a good a chance as anyone. I'm sure he gets exposed just a matter of when.
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    Great boxing discussion. Spin I never rated Mundine. Maybe its because I lived in Australia and was there when he switched from rugby league to boxing. Plus like most Aussies, I had and still have a real dislike for the guy. I certainly never thought he was world class.
     
    I was stunned to see the Kessler odds for the Calzaghe fight and I had a Big bet on Joe. I truly believe Kessler is over hyped and while I expect him to start well (he will win 3 of 3 or 2 of 3), I just can't see him winning this..In my eyes he doesnt have a plan B. He doesnt have the ability to adapt mid fight like all the greats do.
     
    The only way he wins this is if both Ward and Dirrell turn out to be total bums. And AA is not as good as I think he is. I guess I am hoping a boxing great emerges from this. If one does then it won't be Kessler, if there isn't one obviously he has a good a chance as anyone. I'm sure he gets exposed just a matter of when.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2009 - 7:59 AM ET #27

    Whether you rate Mundine or not, you have to concede that he is better than anyone on Ward's resume. So are Andrade and Beyer. So any criticism of Kessler's resume would seem to invite even harsher criticism of the meager competition Ward has seen.
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    Whether you rate Mundine or not, you have to concede that he is better than anyone on Ward's resume. So are Andrade and Beyer. So any criticism of Kessler's resume would seem to invite even harsher criticism of the meager competition Ward has seen.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2009 - 2:27 PM ET #28

    I don't think your getting my point Spin. Kessler has the best resume on this last after Taylor. 2 points. If you watch other sports (horse racing is a good example) where other horses have better reputations then an unbeaten newcomer with great breeding. Newcomers are known as unexposed, which means yes their breeding is good but no one can really be sure just how good the new unexposed horse is compared to the seasoned horse that has won many races. We have seen just how good Kessler is but we have no idea just how good Ward is. He would be the next P4P contender or just an over-hyped Olympian (they have been many). In truth no one, can be sure what Ward and Dirrell will bring to this. If they are both flops the tournament is the worse for it.
     
    Point 2 is that I have seen nothing from Kessler to make me think he is the next boxing superstar. A very good, technically sound boxer, no doubt. A superstar? As Bernard Hopkins says -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtB0gD6O_Ak . "Kessler's not in my league man". I happen to fully agree with B-HOP. No way Kessler beats B-HOP, even now and the guy is nearly 45. I think if Kessler fought the JT that fought B-HOP he loses that fight too. My point spin is that in my eyes Kessler is not a superstar, he is not a p4p top 10 even in my eyes. A very good boxer but not a superstar.
     
    I hope a new superstar emerges from this. If there is going to be a new superstar, in my eyes its going to be Ward or Dirrell.
     
    AA has all the tools and if the home of boxing was in Europe (especially Germany) he would be the next super-middleweight king but even if AA wins this he will not take off in the states. People won't pay to watch him fight pay per view, even if he wins all 5 fights by KO. He lacks charsima and marketability. He just doesnt excite too much.
     
    Kessler, I honestly am totally convinced someone beats him, either in semi or final. Because he is so so solid I do expect him to get at least the semi's.  But a more gifted figher beats him. If he goes on to win this then I don't believe we have a new superstar. Like AA, I don't see him selling huge tickets in the States. If Vitali was American he would be a living legend (far bigger then he is now). Get my point?
     
    Froch, Just way to limited in everyway..not enough skill, not enough charisma. No chance..
     
    JT, The one man who had a chance to be a superstar. A man who did not make the most of his good given talent. Boxing is a remorseless sport. This is his second chance. I think it's too late. Too many mental scars.
     
    Dirrell. If this guy can back up the boasts man he could could be soo exciting. I love his style but he is so easy to put on his butt (from what I have seen) and I question this guys heart when the chips are down and his overall belief in himself..
     
    Ward. My personal favourite. Just a classy guy, a classy boxer. He is what boxing needs. Can he deliver. Getting Kessler first up is the worst draw. JT would have been ideal.
     
    I would love if Ward won this in style, Paul Williams and/or Chad Dawson then proved they are the real deal. Now them are some fights!
     
    I truly believe if this were 2 years don the line Ward wins easy enough against Kessler. Having this fight with Kessler right now could really be a bad thing for Ward and I have this as a 50/50 fight. Whereas the odds are -300 Kessler. If Ward turns out to be a flop, I apologise but I feel its worth taking on Kessler in this spot. Basically I am banking on a exposed horse against a season vet. Not always smart and if this was in Denmark no way. But I have a hunch Ward fancies the job and I will be betting on Ward and Ward UD..
     
    AA and Ward are my picks to win it all. If Dirrell can win his first fight then sets the cat amongst the pigeons. Saturday just can not come soon enough!
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    I don't think your getting my point Spin. Kessler has the best resume on this last after Taylor. 2 points. If you watch other sports (horse racing is a good example) where other horses have better reputations then an unbeaten newcomer with great breeding. Newcomers are known as unexposed, which means yes their breeding is good but no one can really be sure just how good the new unexposed horse is compared to the seasoned horse that has won many races. We have seen just how good Kessler is but we have no idea just how good Ward is. He would be the next P4P contender or just an over-hyped Olympian (they have been many). In truth no one, can be sure what Ward and Dirrell will bring to this. If they are both flops the tournament is the worse for it.
     
    Point 2 is that I have seen nothing from Kessler to make me think he is the next boxing superstar. A very good, technically sound boxer, no doubt. A superstar? As Bernard Hopkins says -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtB0gD6O_Ak . "Kessler's not in my league man". I happen to fully agree with B-HOP. No way Kessler beats B-HOP, even now and the guy is nearly 45. I think if Kessler fought the JT that fought B-HOP he loses that fight too. My point spin is that in my eyes Kessler is not a superstar, he is not a p4p top 10 even in my eyes. A very good boxer but not a superstar.
     
    I hope a new superstar emerges from this. If there is going to be a new superstar, in my eyes its going to be Ward or Dirrell.
     
    AA has all the tools and if the home of boxing was in Europe (especially Germany) he would be the next super-middleweight king but even if AA wins this he will not take off in the states. People won't pay to watch him fight pay per view, even if he wins all 5 fights by KO. He lacks charsima and marketability. He just doesnt excite too much.
     
    Kessler, I honestly am totally convinced someone beats him, either in semi or final. Because he is so so solid I do expect him to get at least the semi's.  But a more gifted figher beats him. If he goes on to win this then I don't believe we have a new superstar. Like AA, I don't see him selling huge tickets in the States. If Vitali was American he would be a living legend (far bigger then he is now). Get my point?
     
    Froch, Just way to limited in everyway..not enough skill, not enough charisma. No chance..
     
    JT, The one man who had a chance to be a superstar. A man who did not make the most of his good given talent. Boxing is a remorseless sport. This is his second chance. I think it's too late. Too many mental scars.
     
    Dirrell. If this guy can back up the boasts man he could could be soo exciting. I love his style but he is so easy to put on his butt (from what I have seen) and I question this guys heart when the chips are down and his overall belief in himself..
     
    Ward. My personal favourite. Just a classy guy, a classy boxer. He is what boxing needs. Can he deliver. Getting Kessler first up is the worst draw. JT would have been ideal.
     
    I would love if Ward won this in style, Paul Williams and/or Chad Dawson then proved they are the real deal. Now them are some fights!
     
    I truly believe if this were 2 years don the line Ward wins easy enough against Kessler. Having this fight with Kessler right now could really be a bad thing for Ward and I have this as a 50/50 fight. Whereas the odds are -300 Kessler. If Ward turns out to be a flop, I apologise but I feel its worth taking on Kessler in this spot. Basically I am banking on a exposed horse against a season vet. Not always smart and if this was in Denmark no way. But I have a hunch Ward fancies the job and I will be betting on Ward and Ward UD..
     
    AA and Ward are my picks to win it all. If Dirrell can win his first fight then sets the cat amongst the pigeons. Saturday just can not come soon enough!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 14, 2009 - 12:47 AM ET #29

    My money is spread out on Kessler, Abraham and Ward.  Taylor is too faded to win all 3 of these fights, Dirrell is too raw and Froch is too slow.
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    My money is spread out on Kessler, Abraham and Ward.  Taylor is too faded to win all 3 of these fights, Dirrell is too raw and Froch is too slow.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2009 - 11:03 PM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    Wow me and Rich fully agreeing, trouble! lol. My two picks for the super 6 are Authur Abraham and Andre Ward. I think we will could even see a fighter lose in the round and in it all (watch this space. I will have another bet on Ward and/or AA if they lose in the first round for extra value). This is a great Tourney and my predictions might like very silly in 18 months. My break down is as follows..
     
    1) Mikkel Kessler: If this were 4 years ago I would love the Dane in this tournament but times have changed. Kessler lack of activity and poor opposition I think catches him out here..I think he makes the semis or even the final but I honestly don't think he will win this..I think a quick, fast fighter will expose his flaws (eventually).
     
    2) Carl Froch: He is a tough cookie but he does not have the boxing skills to win this. When he losses, he will be a goner as he losses the aura of an undefeated fighter and pyschology he will not recover. Its just a matter of when he losses. Probably against Kessler in the 2nd fight..I don't think he makes the semi's.
     
    3) AA: This guy will either excel in this tournament or will find the 8 pound weight jump too much. I think he would have beaten Pavlik if that fight took place. He will have 2 fights in Germany and he will win them both meaning he will be in the semis. I think this guy is the real deal and I expect him to go far..
     
    4) JT: Lost 3 of his last 5 fights. I just can't see him going far in this but a win against AA changes EVERYTHING. I think AA takes him late or on points. Alot of people smell upset here. I don't. Think AA has too much for a shot Taylor. 5 years ago I like JT, but when your shot your shot.
     
    5) Andre Ward. I already have a big bet on him at +1000 (as available on paddypower.com and I posted the bet on this forum when I made it (to any doubters like that jacka$$ cee money). +1000 (10/1) as just too big to turn down. Especially since if Ward losses his first match he gets JT and Dirrell. I like him in both fights. If he gets the to the semi he will have been brought on a ton and I love this guy. Hes young, quick, a great athelete. He ticks all the boxes for me.
     
    6) Andre Dirrell. The one fighter I really don't know how he will do. I don't see him beating Froch or Ward. But in truth he has the tools to be very dangerous in this. If he beats Froch then everything changes. Big ask to go to England and beat a seasoned fighter in their backyard on his first big test. Have a hunch Froch here wins a debatable decision..Hard for Dirrell to come back from this...
     
    Think it will be Ward, AA and Kessler in the semi's. No idea who will join that trio..

    wow even if Kessler wins this fight my +1000 on Ward now looks MASSIVE! Great job from all covers members! Who seemed to be all on WARD!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    Wow me and Rich fully agreeing, trouble! lol. My two picks for the super 6 are Authur Abraham and Andre Ward. I think we will could even see a fighter lose in the round and in it all (watch this space. I will have another bet on Ward and/or AA if they lose in the first round for extra value). This is a great Tourney and my predictions might like very silly in 18 months. My break down is as follows..
     
    1) Mikkel Kessler: If this were 4 years ago I would love the Dane in this tournament but times have changed. Kessler lack of activity and poor opposition I think catches him out here..I think he makes the semis or even the final but I honestly don't think he will win this..I think a quick, fast fighter will expose his flaws (eventually).
     
    2) Carl Froch: He is a tough cookie but he does not have the boxing skills to win this. When he losses, he will be a goner as he losses the aura of an undefeated fighter and pyschology he will not recover. Its just a matter of when he losses. Probably against Kessler in the 2nd fight..I don't think he makes the semi's.
     
    3) AA: This guy will either excel in this tournament or will find the 8 pound weight jump too much. I think he would have beaten Pavlik if that fight took place. He will have 2 fights in Germany and he will win them both meaning he will be in the semis. I think this guy is the real deal and I expect him to go far..
     
    4) JT: Lost 3 of his last 5 fights. I just can't see him going far in this but a win against AA changes EVERYTHING. I think AA takes him late or on points. Alot of people smell upset here. I don't. Think AA has too much for a shot Taylor. 5 years ago I like JT, but when your shot your shot.
     
    5) Andre Ward. I already have a big bet on him at +1000 (as available on paddypower.com and I posted the bet on this forum when I made it (to any doubters like that jacka$$ cee money). +1000 (10/1) as just too big to turn down. Especially since if Ward losses his first match he gets JT and Dirrell. I like him in both fights. If he gets the to the semi he will have been brought on a ton and I love this guy. Hes young, quick, a great athelete. He ticks all the boxes for me.
     
    6) Andre Dirrell. The one fighter I really don't know how he will do. I don't see him beating Froch or Ward. But in truth he has the tools to be very dangerous in this. If he beats Froch then everything changes. Big ask to go to England and beat a seasoned fighter in their backyard on his first big test. Have a hunch Froch here wins a debatable decision..Hard for Dirrell to come back from this...
     
    Think it will be Ward, AA and Kessler in the semi's. No idea who will join that trio..

    wow even if Kessler wins this fight my +1000 on Ward now looks MASSIVE! Great job from all covers members! Who seemed to be all on WARD!

     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2009 - 11:41 PM ET #31

    For people that have knocked my record, the above analysis made a few months ago aint half bad! maybe the knockers might back down a bit know..lets all work together like we did this week. There is money to be made guys...
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    For people that have knocked my record, the above analysis made a few months ago aint half bad! maybe the knockers might back down a bit know..lets all work together like we did this week. There is money to be made guys...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 11, 2009 - 8:59 PM ET #32

    Taylor is going to stay in the Super 6, against DiBella's wishes.  DiBella will not be promoting him anymore.

     

    https://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4735549

     

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    Taylor is going to stay in the Super 6, against DiBella's wishes.  DiBella will not be promoting him anymore.

     

    https://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4735549

     

     
     
    DannoDanger
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    Posted: Jan. 12, 2010 - 11:43 AM ET #33

    Taylor has reconsidered, and withdrawn.

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    Taylor has reconsidered, and withdrawn.

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