ortiz vs. MAYWEATHER

Mayweather will outbox Ortiz from round 1.  I think Ortiz might land one good punch throughout the fight....The fight in which he will quit somewhere around the 9th Round!

Mayweather will KO him if he's agressive enough (Ricky Hatton), but if he boxes and don't try to win it will be like his fights against De La Hoya (neither guy had a mark on them) and Mosley or Pacquiao vs Mosley for that matter. Ortiz is a Golden Boy fighter so if he loses a "competitive fight" his stock goes up (good for Golden Boy), if he gets KO'd bad, his career is over (just like Hatton). So I think it will be a Mayweather 12 round dec.

this is a statement fight for floyd if I have ever seen one and against an over matched opponent, floyd will shine, this will be a brutal beatdown, ortiz's defence is not very good and he has slowed since he has moved up, I like floyd by ko in this one, somewhere around the 8th or 9th round. 

cd2010: Contrast to what many said Amir Khan being a fraud, Ortiz had took the fast road by fighting Maidana, then beating Berto, and now going for a fighter than hits like Maidana and has hand speed like Berto. Mayweather's speed is different than many fast handed fighters, many throw combination that are auto-fire, where Mayweather's are set-up or reflex. I felt it would be similar to the Hatton fight also. The difference is Ortiz punches big and is physically stronger than Hatton but his defense is worse than Hatton's was. Ortiz will charge Mayweather and guage Mayweather's power, speed and if he's going to single or double shot him or stay in and throw combination. Unless Mayweather feels he can see the punches coming clearly, he will throw often. If he doesn't guage him early, Floyd will methodically break him down and either go for the late KO if it is there or continue the assault. Victor is not 100% a loss, but he needs to catch Floyd as Floyd is throwing and causing a big punch to shake Floyd enough causing Mayweather to be slightly tenative allowing Ortiz to get off punches and backing Floyd up and not Floyd naturally moving but Ortiz is controlling the action. A lot of "if"s, but a I felt to note some hope for all the Ortiz fans and bettors (lol).

I agree with zoul completely.  Ortiz is a complete miss match against Money.  Mayweather is so much more clinical and efficient over Berto. I would have my money on Mayweather KO.  There's only 1 person capable of taking on Mayweather and he's lost the fire and killer attitude one he became congressman.  

Berto doesn't have power. I was live ringside for a few of his fights. He throws fast combos, but they are like he is working out on a heavy bag. They are not reflex or timing punches when an opponent makes a mistake. It's deceptive because most fighters are hard hitters with that type of speed. Maidana is a hard puncher. Maidana might punch harder than fFloyd but I think it's irrelevant. For instance, many fighters who fought George Foreman and/or Mike Tyson say they weren't the hardest punchers they fought. In the film Facing Ali they had 10 fighters talk about the hardest punchers, they all stated Earnie Shavers was the biggest hitter all-time. Now the average fan is gonna say who? That's my point. I didn't say Mayweather would win using blinding speed but exposing Ortiz's defense while Mayweather is maybe only second to Hopkins and Wright. Only because they win using defense and frustrating opponents and don't rely and very fast hands. Hopkins is a master of angles and Winky makes fighter look bad with his jab and defensive stance. I think more than likely you will see Ortiz's face swell up and possibly a stoppage.

Mayweather stopped fighting opponents he thought had a chance a long time ago. I posted his record and the average age was 33.5 for his past 10 fights. He ducked Margarito, Cotto, Williams, Pacquiao,etc. He fights Oscar when he was way past his prime and had difficulties. Decided to fight Mosley 6 years later. He had a battle-torn past prime warrior fighting above his weight class in Marquez where Floyd was bigger, faster, younger, in his prime. I skipped the fight live because it was promotional, the fight was over before it began. Now Ortiz looks impressive because he beat a way over rated Berto in a classic war. Floyd can see all the flaws Ortiz has so he fights him now while Ortiz is hot and has little chance. The digusting thing about Floyd is his talent... he has great abilities and a sensational boxer but fights sub-par elite status fighters. Being careful is one thing, chosing opponents that have little chance makes his status fall of charts for all time pound-for-pound. He could of fought a few of the top fighter at the time I named but never took a risk. Name when great fighter in his prime he fought?

floyd easy- needs the ring work tho so this one gos the distance and might serve to lure in manny just a wee bit if he looks beatable at any time

Don't forget 24/7 debuts this week, with some buzz around the first episode too...

margarito, williams and cotto are not great fighters either, williams and margarito are  B level fighters and cotto and his poeple turned down floyds initial offer, to say floyd is ducking these guys is crazy, was roy jones ducking  D michalczewski?   could floyds career been managed better hell ya, but to say he was ducking B level guys is crazy and for the record it was mosley who was staying clear of floyd for all of these years not the other way around, look at floyds career and check the names that he has beaten, could he have done more? deffinitly, but give the man some respect, damn,  everyone has negative things to say about him, he does bring it on himself a lot of the time, but it seem as though, you are just being critical of everything that he has ever done, relax, turn the volume down on his interviews and enjoy a truly great fighter while he is still fighting, he could of been top 5 ever if he fought more, but he didn't, in the end if he ends up beating pacquiao, which I beleive he will, he will go down as one of the top 30 fighters who ever lived and all you people can do is trash him, outside of the ring trash him all you want, but inside the ring you should respect him.

the last blog I wrote was in reference to one of ZOUK's blogs

I was familiar with him and his family before he went pro. He still came back to Winter Haven, FL. I use to stay at a ranch in the middle of no where, so if you ever been to Florida you know what I'm saying. Also, don't miss a turn cause there are only so many roads due to the swamp land. Anyhow, I use to go to the closest town or city to buy food and supplies and Winter Haven was it. It took 20 minutes to get there. We are talking years 1998-2004 and I remember first seeing a billboard of him with the words "Winter Haven's Hometown Hero". From there on I followed his career.
I was at the fight he was first knocked down in Saratoga Springs. Saratoga racetrack is the oldest thoroughbred track in the country and it runs for 6 weeks starting the last week of July and ends Labor Day. On a side note, the Alabama Stakes ran Saturday and it was six horse field and I like the (1) Royal Delta and the (6) Inglorious and they both had morning lines 6-1. I knew Ingorious was going to get all the hype so instead of betting a pari-mutual pool, sportsbooks take props such as win wagers and matchups on horses finishing better with odds. The beauty is I got to bet both horses at 6-1 even amounts. Post time the (6) horse was even money and the (1) was 11/2 and don't forget the added vig if bet through OTB and reported taxes taken out on any payout over $750 (in NY). The beauty of main event races is sportsbooks post the morning line and never move. The (1) won so I earned +50 units. Back to Berto fighting Cosme Rivera and on BoxRec it shows Rivera with 48 fights, but in 2007 the agenda sheet showed him having over 70 fights (probably he told them his stats including fights not recognized by USA sanctioning bodies). Berto dominated every round hitting this guy with everything but the kitchen sink and the guy didn't budge (although his record showed many losses and by KO or TKO). The sixth round Rivera hit Berto with a sneaky lead left uppercut and Berto dropped. It shocked everyone but immediately to me it looked like a flash knockdown but it slightly shook Berto and maybe more his confidence that round then anything. He came back strong.
Anyhow a funny story was when Chazz Witherspoon was fighting that same card some big guy in a suit was standing outside the ropes talking with Chazz and someone yelled "Fatso in beige suit, get out of the way." The guy turned around with a big smile and it was Tim Witherspoon. I asked the kid if he knew who he insulted and he said no. I said ex-heavyweight champ, and if he wasn't so lazy and trained he had ability to be great. I also told the kid that he was one of the biggest punchers all time.
My fighter won the first 2 rounds then in the 3rd round during a clinch a headbutt occurred causing the referee to stop the fight. There was a baby cut and no swelling and the kid said he couldn't see out of his eye. It was apparent after 2 rounds my guy had him hurt and within 3 rounds the opponent was done so the kid took advantage and we got a no contest.
Even people I know well that sparred with him said he lacks power. He comes with great hand speed and crisp punches but lacks KO power. I also try to explain to people different aspects of punching. First you look at how much power a fighter generates from his legs and the amount of torque he uses. Then you look to see if he is timing the punch to connect at maximum peek. Does a fighter turn his hand over or keep it straight. Is he high on his toes and flexing his knees when firing a straight power punch. Does the fighter keep his shoulder high with chin in for defensive purposes. There are many factors but also a fighters natural ability you have to harness and maximize.
Now after a long thread my thoughts on Berto. One sign of a fighter that lacks power and doubts his power is more often a head hunter. Berto rarely goes to the body. Also, as he is throwing the start of a combination his feet bounce and are almost airborn therefore he can't generate torque or lower body power. If you notice he seems to often bounce and lead with an overhand right then bounce and throw a double left hook as the second left is a more like a jab so he can cock back and throw the overhand right. The shot he hit Ortiz and floored him he had everything into that shot including Ortiz moving into it just as it peaked and snapped Ortiz's head into a 180 degree. One thing I believe causes his lack of power is he tends to blink or squint a split moment before his punch lands or is blocked. I can say this, I knew Berto was tougher than most people believed but he proved more to me in that loss then all of his wins. Also, what he did to help Haiti shows what kind of man he is. I was slightly disgusted when people said he went to Haiti because he didn't want to fight Mosley... that's just ignorant.

thesoulpurpose: I agree about Mosley ducking Mayweather way back. I never said he wasn't great. I know owners, promoters and management control the proposed fights. When you get a fighter with the media following like Manny, Oscar and Floyd, there is no doubt they select who they want and will fight. What I meant about the names of fighters I listed is they were a threat, basically there were too many question marks to fight them. To me it's clear Mayweather does not prefer to fight tall fighters. Oscar being 5'11" hunches over mostly due to while fighting st lightweight he was always inches taller so he stayed hunched so he could fire the hammer of a jab. It was clear Floyd still had problems with Oscar. Do I think Floyd won... Yes. Did he at times seem frustrated, Yes. Now back to the so called B level fighters. Cotto before fighting Mosley was considered a top pound-for-pound. Paul Williams called out Mayweather, I never heard Mayweather comment and that's odd for him. Margarito had 3 losses in his first 12 fights, after that he had only one loss (suffered a cut from headbutt and lost technical decision) in his next 27 bouts and included were opponents like undefeated Sergio Martinez, Frankie Randall, undefeated Kermit Cintron, and Joshua Clottey. After Clottey he lost a close decision to Paul Williams who got a big early lead. Around the time of his Clottey bout, Mayweather was fighting Carlos Baldomir (C-Level). Winky Wright was willing to come down to 150lbs (same weight at Oscar bout) and you heard crickets. Why not fight Clottey? That was a money issue because people never heard of Clottey. Vernon Forrest was available (RIP).
Mayweather's camp denies having talks and negotiations with Pacquiao's people. Mayweather's camp said they broke the gag order. Arum said if there were no negotiations, how did we break the agreement. I don't forsee this fight happening. By the time Mayweather agrees, Pacquiao will be President or Prime Minister of the Philippines. That would be the funniest thing ever, having the President of a country fighting in a World Championship Boxing Bout.

My point soul is Floyd hand picked soft opponents that were aged, undersized or C-Level. I understand Floyd was also silently obligated to fight Golden Boy Promotion fighters to a point. Many popular champions wanted to and did fight the #1 contenders repeatedly. Oscar fought everyone (unfortunately he never beat an A-Level Champion). Hopkins fought everyone (he wants to fight 9 more years and get early retirement social security). Mosley fought everyone except Floyd in his early days (so I don't blame Floyd for making him wait).
Personally, to me, it's a shame to have a fighter of legendary skills and status play the game so soft.

Example: Sugar Ray Robinson won his first 40 fights and was so good and dominant at welterweight they had him fight a monster of a middleweight, Jake LaMotta. The weigh-in had Sugar Ray 144lbs and Jake 160lbs, but by fight time they stated Jake was almost 30lbs bigger. Losing his first fight ever (amatuers he was 85-0 with 69 KOs, and 40 of thos KOs were in the first round). So counting his amateur and pro career he fought 125 consecutive fights without a loss. Two weeks later he beat Jackie Wilson. One week later he was back to Detroit to rematch LaMotta. That's 3 fights in a 21 day period and 2 of them against a much bigger guy. Robinson beat Lamotta in a dominating performance. Those were the good old days!!!
When fighters were paid pennies, they fought until the death. Some fighter who make multi-millions per fight these days seem to do just enough to perform and will, then they collect a check.

Zouk is right about Mayweather ducking fighters all you have to do is look at his record after fighting Castillo (a fight I thought he lost), who did he fight? 

Mayweather will fight more easy fights til Pacman  loses a step, then he will beat him, then he will say he beat everyone and retire undefeated, only he didn't fight every top contender (or champion for that matter) in his weight class at the time.

Also  Roy could have  fought Nigel Benn, Steve Collins and Chris Eubank to clean out the 168 division at that time, instead move up to fight 40 year old Mike Mccallum. Julian Jackson and Gerald Mcclellan was at 160 at the same time as Roy.

Floyd's undefeated record is as impressive as Joe Calzaghe record.  

that's why robinson is most peoples no.1 pound for pound and floyd is not,  but you can even be critical of robinson career to some extent, he ducked charley burley as did everybody else, he did not fight tony zale either, robinson is the best welterweight ever, but some people rate him as the greatest middleweight ever as well, but to me that is wrong, he was far to inconsistant at that weight to be called the greatest.   floyds career has been mismanaged the last few years by all of the yes men that he has around( which I mentioned in a prev. blog) but people rate him as the best for a reason, fighting mosley and de la hoya to me is better than fighting margarito and williams and he offered the fight to cotto after he beat victoriano sosa and they turned it down. floyds main problem is that he has not been fighting nearly enough, he does not have that desire to truly prove that he belongs with names like robinson, armstrong, langford, if he would of had a better team around him, people that tell him the truth not just what he wants to hear, then maybe things would of been different, but it is what it is. and what it is?   floyd is one of the most talented and skillful fighters ever, but has lost the fire that he once had, maybe it's all the money, maybe it's the yes men, boxing is about DESIRE just as much as Talent and floyd lost the desire along time ago, he now fights because that is his job, it's all he has ever known, he loves all of the lime light that goes with it, but really does not want to fight any more if he did he would fight more than once per year, having said all of that I still think that he is the second best guy in the world ( I think that donaire is the best currently)  not bad for a guy who doesn't really want to fight

and one last thing about floyd ducking pacquiao, that's bullshit, manny would not take a drug test 2 week before the fight, floyd was willing to take the test, they say they would not take the test because it was not in the rules to do so, fuck the rules your going to turn down 50 million because you don't want to take a drug test and then people knock floyd and not pacquiao, is it because floyd is an asshole outside of the ring and manny comes with a smile, ( shane mosley came with a smile too and the man was on drugs from the time he moved up to welterweight until before the first winky wright fight) the devil often comes with a smile,   if manny is not on drugs than take a fucking drug test, floyd will,  also in the past 4 or 5 years their has been 5 fighters that train at the wildcard gym that have failed post fight drug tests, I am not blaming freddy roach, but maybe it's some of the guys than hang around that place, I do not know.   why is it floyd that is ducking manny and not manny ducking floyd,   it's because manny comes with a smile and floyd is an arrogant prick.   I do have inside info on this fight though and it will happen, weather their is a drug test or not, you can bet on it and I will bet half of my bank roll on floyd, it won't be that close either.

During the last negotiation Manny's camp agreed to the testing after disputing the two week period. That's why Mayweather's camp said that's BS and someone spoke out from Mayweather camp saying Pacquiao's camp doesn't keep their word because they had a gag order. Arum stated how do you have a gag on a meeting they say never happened. I agree about Robinson at welterweight comment. Like I stated, Floyd's last 10 fights the average age of the fighters is 33.5, and Floyd has yet to fight at that age. They called Joe Louis out with a bum a month club, Mayweather made a new group, the elderly has beens soon to collect social security (LOL)! I don't doubt his skills. but way to many excuses for his figh resume to be comsidered among the very best. Potential and achievement are two different thing.

zouk, you often mention the age of fighters,  to me it's not about what year they were born, example, some guys start shaving when they are 13 and some when their 18,everyone  matures differently, it's not the number that matters, it's what that person has been through in their lives,  have they been in a lot of wars, have they had an alcohol or drug addiction, how they have taken care of themselves along the way,  how quickly they matured as a teen, genetics,  the number does not really matter, it's their performances that matter,  I am just talking in general, not specifically about mayweather and his opponents, age is just a number, it's different for everyone, their have been hundreds of fighters, in the past that have been very sucesfull after their early to mid 30's, and for some even their 40's, it's just a number that's different for everyone

I understand all that, but in ratio to boxing that is a high average age for the so called best to be fighting. Ricky Hatton was in his prime, the rest were not. Marquez was a promotional joke!

I agree about ages. Hopkins, defensive fighter with many angles never takes clean shots. Lennox was brought along slow but properly. Also, genetics plays a huge part as does body abuse. Example: I know more high school athletes that use to play football, track, etc... all lifted weights to the maximum, by age 23 around 90% had shoulder, back or knee injuries. People have to understand physiology better. Tendons and ligaments do not grow, and repair at the same rate as muscle. That is why many athletes are prone to injury. Another example is stength training. Most people think when they start lifting weights at first or after a long break 2-3 weeks is sufficient. More like 2 months. I learned a lot from a Russian doctor who was a sport science expert. Just like anything patience and a proper foundation leads to maximum achievement. Just like boxing career, with proper training and fight selection. Ortiz is way to unseasoned for Mayweather, he never fought a true good veteran fighter. One athlete I really respected was Robert Smith, running back for Minnesota Vikings, retired fairly young after knee surgeries but was still in good health. He stated there is more to life than football and I enjoy playing with my kids pain free!

I just state facts about Mayweather. I don't question his ability but his achievements. I feel at the rate Mayweather has picked opponents and fought, at age 40 he would be about the same just slightly slower.

name one 135-154 fighter in the last 20 years that was successful after the age of 35. you wont, especially one that realies heavily on speed and reflexes(SRL), like pbf.

some of you guys should stay away from gambling on boxing. comparing this fight to that of pbf/hatton is just absolutely clueless.

pbf is 34 coming off two heavily compromised fights(mosely-age/steroid tested & JMM weight gain) in three years.

and some of you clueless people here think you are going to see pbf regain his form of the gatti/hatton fight?

fwiw, i had pbf -280(in mexico) for 12 units against jmm and pbf/mosely distance for 2 units -120. i just had 20 units wk over haye and am looking at dawson over b-hop(three fights in less that a year at 46).

pbf-700 is one of the worst lines i have seen in recent years.

pbf could wake up and be the same exact fighter he was against dlh and dominate ortiz.

history says otherwise.