My Biggest Boxing Play of the year (Arthur Abraham v Carl Froch)
Why I like Abraham: I think Froch has very poor balance and very poor defense. I think he has shown in both the Taylor fight and the Kessler fight that he has a great chin and can be hit. That being said the great chin was shown against fighters without the power of Abraham. I could see Abraham putting him down a couple times and dont think Froch has the chin to take the shots that he will leave exposed to Abraham. I am playing abraham- I usually dont lay the juice on anything because my main sport to play on is football--but this is one i'll be taking pretty heavily.
best of luck
Melv
Why I like Abraham: I think Froch has very poor balance and very poor defense. I think he has shown in both the Taylor fight and the Kessler fight that he has a great chin and can be hit. That being said the great chin was shown against fighters without the power of Abraham. I could see Abraham putting him down a couple times and dont think Froch has the chin to take the shots that he will leave exposed to Abraham. I am playing abraham- I usually dont lay the juice on anything because my main sport to play on is football--but this is one i'll be taking pretty heavily.
best of luck
Melv
So you think AA will win because Froch will not be able to avoid a war with him? Froch did pretty good against Kessler in a war. I don't think AA will want to brawl with Froch, I think AA needs to box but the size and reach will play a factor. I keep going back and forth on this fight! AA seems like a sharper, more compact puncher and boxer, but Froch has a big heart and seems very confident that he will be too much for AA.
So you think AA will win because Froch will not be able to avoid a war with him? Froch did pretty good against Kessler in a war. I don't think AA will want to brawl with Froch, I think AA needs to box but the size and reach will play a factor. I keep going back and forth on this fight! AA seems like a sharper, more compact puncher and boxer, but Froch has a big heart and seems very confident that he will be too much for AA.
Why I like Abraham: I think Froch has very poor balance and very poor defense. I think he has shown in both the Taylor fight and the Kessler fight that he has a great chin and can be hit. That being said the great chin was shown against fighters without the power of Abraham. I could see Abraham putting him down a couple times and dont think Froch has the chin to take the shots that he will leave exposed to Abraham. I am playing abraham- I usually dont lay the juice on anything because my main sport to play on is football--but this is one i'll be taking pretty heavily.
best of luck
Melv
Melv speaking of football I have
on the Patriots -6 today. I think Detroit is over rated on Turkey day..
Why I like Abraham: I think Froch has very poor balance and very poor defense. I think he has shown in both the Taylor fight and the Kessler fight that he has a great chin and can be hit. That being said the great chin was shown against fighters without the power of Abraham. I could see Abraham putting him down a couple times and dont think Froch has the chin to take the shots that he will leave exposed to Abraham. I am playing abraham- I usually dont lay the juice on anything because my main sport to play on is football--but this is one i'll be taking pretty heavily.
best of luck
Melv
Melv speaking of football I have
on the Patriots -6 today. I think Detroit is over rated on Turkey day..
Mack, I took pats early in week at minus7. also locked in saints when came out at -3.
i will take a large college play of the week - have done well this year with it.
this week it is ok st. I dont post it on covers in other forums, but figured you might be interested. the football forums get pretty stupid.
best of luck
Happy thanksgiving
Mack, I took pats early in week at minus7. also locked in saints when came out at -3.
i will take a large college play of the week - have done well this year with it.
this week it is ok st. I dont post it on covers in other forums, but figured you might be interested. the football forums get pretty stupid.
best of luck
Happy thanksgiving
I did bet with you on this fight. However it isnt my biggest play this year. I put much more money on Amir Khan.
I have lost 2 Fighting bet this year and that was on a UFC deal. I would guess that is out of about 15, so lets hope this continues.
I just watched the Dirrell fight with Froch and which I understand Dirrell has no simularities to AA, Dirrell hurt Froch a few times. In this fight, those hurts will lead to a KO.
I did bet with you on this fight. However it isnt my biggest play this year. I put much more money on Amir Khan.
I have lost 2 Fighting bet this year and that was on a UFC deal. I would guess that is out of about 15, so lets hope this continues.
I just watched the Dirrell fight with Froch and which I understand Dirrell has no simularities to AA, Dirrell hurt Froch a few times. In this fight, those hurts will lead to a KO.
Mack,
I did bet with you on this fight. However it isnt my biggest play this year. I put much more money on Amir Khan.
I have lost 2 Fighting bet this year and that was on a UFC deal. I would guess that is out of about 15, so lets hope this continues.
I just watched the Dirrell fight with Froch and which I understand Dirrell has no simularities to AA, Dirrell hurt Froch a few times. In this fight, those hurts will lead to a KO.
I think Khan will roll Gold but I can't bet big on that chin. I had a monster night in the NFL last night (all posted on the NFL forum). Decided to try a wreckless 5.5k on the Pats -6 and then played it all on Dallas +9 (in running) and then let the whole lot ride on the Jets -9.5. So sweet! So there is alot less pressure on the AA bet. I love those nights when u just get on a roll. I won't be playing Sundays games. Thats how I usually give it back! If AA wins it will be my biggest weekend in 4 or 5 months since Rafa destroyed Murray at Wimbledon. Lets do it Arthur. Your time is now!
Mack,
I did bet with you on this fight. However it isnt my biggest play this year. I put much more money on Amir Khan.
I have lost 2 Fighting bet this year and that was on a UFC deal. I would guess that is out of about 15, so lets hope this continues.
I just watched the Dirrell fight with Froch and which I understand Dirrell has no simularities to AA, Dirrell hurt Froch a few times. In this fight, those hurts will lead to a KO.
I think Khan will roll Gold but I can't bet big on that chin. I had a monster night in the NFL last night (all posted on the NFL forum). Decided to try a wreckless 5.5k on the Pats -6 and then played it all on Dallas +9 (in running) and then let the whole lot ride on the Jets -9.5. So sweet! So there is alot less pressure on the AA bet. I love those nights when u just get on a roll. I won't be playing Sundays games. Thats how I usually give it back! If AA wins it will be my biggest weekend in 4 or 5 months since Rafa destroyed Murray at Wimbledon. Lets do it Arthur. Your time is now!
Guys this is an article from Graham Hueston on fightwriter.com. He see's the fight EXACTLY the same as I do. Although he is not as confident as me, his writeup is fantastic...This is why I have failed on a few occasions to be a boxing journalist. This article is top-notch..
"It’s not often that fights come along as intriguing as the one between Carl Froch and Arthur Abraham on Showtime on Saturday. The network’s Super Six: World Boxing Classic tournament has had its setbacks, but a fight such as Froch-Abraham makes it all worthwhile.
The betting odds have hardly changed. Abraham opened at around -160 and that is where he has remained apart from minor fluctuations. The over/under of 11.5 rounds at essentially even money indicates that the oddsmakers see this as a long, likely full-distance, fight.
What is so appealing about this 168-pound championship fight is that a strong case can be made for either man to win. This is when boxing is at its best, when two elite fighters meet with a strong element of doubt over the outcome.
Froch is taller, rangier and will no doubt be able to outscore and outmanoeuvre the much shorter Abraham in the early rounds. The question that concerns Froch backers is whether the British fighter will be able to stick to a disciplined, winning fight plan for round after round without getting involved in the sort of heavy exchanges that could be his undoing.
I have always maintained that Froch has greater boxing ability than generally realised, and he always exudes confidence. Froch has an “I’m the man” attitude and he has even mocked Abraham, ridiculing the Armenian-born German fighter’s hands-high style. Abraham says he will do his talking in the ring.
Opinions are divided on this fight. If you look purely at form, Froch should be favoured because he got the win over Andre Dirrell while Abraham lost to the American boxer. However, Abraham surely came much closer to knocking out Dirrell than Froch did. I feel that Dirrell would just about have survived to the final bell had Abraham not been disqualified, but it would have been a close call.
The worrying thing for Abraham backers is always going to be his slow start. He has said he plans to start faster than usual against Froch but I can’t see it happening — Abraham is too set in his ways to change now. (I agree)
What we are likely to see is the usual Abraham strategy, advancing with hands high, blocking punches, gradually working his way into the distance at which he feels comfortable, then unloading his heavy-handed blows.
Froch can (and probably will) look very good in the early rounds on Saturday, moving around Abraham, letting punches go in bursts, banging to the body underneath Abraham’s elbows, using his long left hand not just to jab but also to hold off his tank-like adversary.
It does seem likely, though, that Abraham will at some stage be able to hit Froch with the big right hand, or perhaps with his underrated left hook. What happens when Froch gets caught? Froch is a tough, game and proud fighter. He doesn’t like to back down. I think it is quite likely that Froch will blast right back should he get rocked or rattled, and I believe it is when the punches are flying that Abraham will have his best chance of landing the flush shots that will test Froch’s granite chin.
Froch, with his style of boxing with hands low, has always been at risk of getting caught. He is so resilient that this has never been a serious problem, although the knockdown Froch suffered against Jermain Taylor showed that — as with almost all of history’s iron men of the ring — if he is hit exactly right, he will find himself on the canvas.
Abraham, to me, is the more regimented in his method, Froch is much more of a risk-taker. Froch will throw uppercuts when it isn’t technically safe to do so, he will sometimes swing himself off balance after spectacular misses, but he always seems well aware of what he is doing, almost daring the other man to come to him. Froch’s mindset seems to be: “I missed you that time but next time I’ll get you.” Yet while Froch can really hit, Abraham seems to be the fighter with the greater one-shot firepower. In the Dirrell camp the feeling is that Abraham is going to knock Froch out, with co-trainer Leon Lawson Jr. telling me: “Froch’s best chance of winning? His best chance is not to fight Arthur Abraham.” Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but Lawson was in the corner with Dirrell for the fights against Froch and Abraham and thus has what one could call an insider’s view.
When I previewed the fight for Boxing Monthly the venue was to have been balmy Monte Carlo, now the scene has shifted to frigid Helsinki. My first thoughts were Abraham by decision, feeling that his stonewall defence would allow him to weather Froch’s barrages while Froch’s willingness to gamble would see the British boxer getting hit by too many clear blows. I am sticking with Abraham but swaying more towards an inside-schedule outcome — the intensity and hostility level seems to me to have been ratcheted up a few notches in recent weeks, and that often means that the final bell will not be reached"....
I love the analysis here. Froch backers believe he can avoid AA for most of the fight and box clever from the outside. His trainer Robert McCracken will drill this into him. Don't fight this guy, don't fight this guy. AA backers believe 1) Froch is not technically good enough to outbox Abraham for 12 rounds and that AA will win because he will land the clearer more eye catching shots and he will be the aggressor for the whole fight, Even if Froch fights more effectively from the outside then I expect him too, I still think it will be extremely tough to get a decision in Finland. Arthur is a huge star on mainland Europe. He is popular and well liked. Froch is the opposite. I think he is going to be surprised just how much support AA will have come fight night. Froch once said I will not fight East of Nottingham. Come the end of the fight he will regret not sticking to his guns... 2) Froch's ego. He thinks of himself as a warrior. When a warrior is told he can't out fight someone, he goes out to prove them wrong. As soon as the phoney war is over and AA connects big (and he will) Froch will be lured into the trenches. Once in there, he aint coming out. There is no middleweight/Super middleweight/light heavyweight that can take Arthur Abraham in a all out war. This guy is one of the toughest SOBs to ever lace a pair of boxxing gloves. Froch is going to find out the hard way Saturday night...I got goosebumps. Bring it on! ![]()
Guys this is an article from Graham Hueston on fightwriter.com. He see's the fight EXACTLY the same as I do. Although he is not as confident as me, his writeup is fantastic...This is why I have failed on a few occasions to be a boxing journalist. This article is top-notch..
"It’s not often that fights come along as intriguing as the one between Carl Froch and Arthur Abraham on Showtime on Saturday. The network’s Super Six: World Boxing Classic tournament has had its setbacks, but a fight such as Froch-Abraham makes it all worthwhile.
The betting odds have hardly changed. Abraham opened at around -160 and that is where he has remained apart from minor fluctuations. The over/under of 11.5 rounds at essentially even money indicates that the oddsmakers see this as a long, likely full-distance, fight.
What is so appealing about this 168-pound championship fight is that a strong case can be made for either man to win. This is when boxing is at its best, when two elite fighters meet with a strong element of doubt over the outcome.
Froch is taller, rangier and will no doubt be able to outscore and outmanoeuvre the much shorter Abraham in the early rounds. The question that concerns Froch backers is whether the British fighter will be able to stick to a disciplined, winning fight plan for round after round without getting involved in the sort of heavy exchanges that could be his undoing.
I have always maintained that Froch has greater boxing ability than generally realised, and he always exudes confidence. Froch has an “I’m the man” attitude and he has even mocked Abraham, ridiculing the Armenian-born German fighter’s hands-high style. Abraham says he will do his talking in the ring.
Opinions are divided on this fight. If you look purely at form, Froch should be favoured because he got the win over Andre Dirrell while Abraham lost to the American boxer. However, Abraham surely came much closer to knocking out Dirrell than Froch did. I feel that Dirrell would just about have survived to the final bell had Abraham not been disqualified, but it would have been a close call.
The worrying thing for Abraham backers is always going to be his slow start. He has said he plans to start faster than usual against Froch but I can’t see it happening — Abraham is too set in his ways to change now. (I agree)
What we are likely to see is the usual Abraham strategy, advancing with hands high, blocking punches, gradually working his way into the distance at which he feels comfortable, then unloading his heavy-handed blows.
Froch can (and probably will) look very good in the early rounds on Saturday, moving around Abraham, letting punches go in bursts, banging to the body underneath Abraham’s elbows, using his long left hand not just to jab but also to hold off his tank-like adversary.
It does seem likely, though, that Abraham will at some stage be able to hit Froch with the big right hand, or perhaps with his underrated left hook. What happens when Froch gets caught? Froch is a tough, game and proud fighter. He doesn’t like to back down. I think it is quite likely that Froch will blast right back should he get rocked or rattled, and I believe it is when the punches are flying that Abraham will have his best chance of landing the flush shots that will test Froch’s granite chin.
Froch, with his style of boxing with hands low, has always been at risk of getting caught. He is so resilient that this has never been a serious problem, although the knockdown Froch suffered against Jermain Taylor showed that — as with almost all of history’s iron men of the ring — if he is hit exactly right, he will find himself on the canvas.
Abraham, to me, is the more regimented in his method, Froch is much more of a risk-taker. Froch will throw uppercuts when it isn’t technically safe to do so, he will sometimes swing himself off balance after spectacular misses, but he always seems well aware of what he is doing, almost daring the other man to come to him. Froch’s mindset seems to be: “I missed you that time but next time I’ll get you.” Yet while Froch can really hit, Abraham seems to be the fighter with the greater one-shot firepower. In the Dirrell camp the feeling is that Abraham is going to knock Froch out, with co-trainer Leon Lawson Jr. telling me: “Froch’s best chance of winning? His best chance is not to fight Arthur Abraham.” Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but Lawson was in the corner with Dirrell for the fights against Froch and Abraham and thus has what one could call an insider’s view.
When I previewed the fight for Boxing Monthly the venue was to have been balmy Monte Carlo, now the scene has shifted to frigid Helsinki. My first thoughts were Abraham by decision, feeling that his stonewall defence would allow him to weather Froch’s barrages while Froch’s willingness to gamble would see the British boxer getting hit by too many clear blows. I am sticking with Abraham but swaying more towards an inside-schedule outcome — the intensity and hostility level seems to me to have been ratcheted up a few notches in recent weeks, and that often means that the final bell will not be reached"....
I love the analysis here. Froch backers believe he can avoid AA for most of the fight and box clever from the outside. His trainer Robert McCracken will drill this into him. Don't fight this guy, don't fight this guy. AA backers believe 1) Froch is not technically good enough to outbox Abraham for 12 rounds and that AA will win because he will land the clearer more eye catching shots and he will be the aggressor for the whole fight, Even if Froch fights more effectively from the outside then I expect him too, I still think it will be extremely tough to get a decision in Finland. Arthur is a huge star on mainland Europe. He is popular and well liked. Froch is the opposite. I think he is going to be surprised just how much support AA will have come fight night. Froch once said I will not fight East of Nottingham. Come the end of the fight he will regret not sticking to his guns... 2) Froch's ego. He thinks of himself as a warrior. When a warrior is told he can't out fight someone, he goes out to prove them wrong. As soon as the phoney war is over and AA connects big (and he will) Froch will be lured into the trenches. Once in there, he aint coming out. There is no middleweight/Super middleweight/light heavyweight that can take Arthur Abraham in a all out war. This guy is one of the toughest SOBs to ever lace a pair of boxxing gloves. Froch is going to find out the hard way Saturday night...I got goosebumps. Bring it on! ![]()
as you bet big, i won't hesitate to say, occasionally, i also bet big
I don't like to mention figures on this forum mate, as a few of the regulars here who I have a lot of respect for have asked me not too. Suffice to say its ALOT more on Arthur Abraham than the 5k I had on the Patriots. I urge you to bet carefully. I can afford to lose this bet (3 or 4 of them no!). Don't ever bet with money you don't have.
Am I confident. Yes, VERY, but I have lost before on a big bet and I will lose again. The best way to make money is bet 1k on the picks I have a hunch for (like this). I have hit rougly 4 out of 5 in boxing big bets. So that is a safer way to make money instead of going for the home run on just one fight. For example I like the over on Pascal v Hopkins and Timothy Bradley -200 against Devon Alexander is a steal at that price. Bet small over a number of fights and build up your roll slowly....The way I do things is wreckless you can say, because since I have built up my roll, I have gone on my gut instinct to make big money. So far it's paid off, BUT if I lost 3 or 4 big bets in a row its literally back to the day job for me. Its not an easy way to make a living but I am mortgage free so no matter what happens I have had a good run from gambling. Let's hope my gut instinct is right on this one. I am always happy when there is an element of doubt in my mind. Like seeing great cappers making great cases for Froch. Still I have a HUGE hunch on this. I wouldn't be playing so large if I didn't.
Good luck to us Saturday.
as you bet big, i won't hesitate to say, occasionally, i also bet big
I don't like to mention figures on this forum mate, as a few of the regulars here who I have a lot of respect for have asked me not too. Suffice to say its ALOT more on Arthur Abraham than the 5k I had on the Patriots. I urge you to bet carefully. I can afford to lose this bet (3 or 4 of them no!). Don't ever bet with money you don't have.
Am I confident. Yes, VERY, but I have lost before on a big bet and I will lose again. The best way to make money is bet 1k on the picks I have a hunch for (like this). I have hit rougly 4 out of 5 in boxing big bets. So that is a safer way to make money instead of going for the home run on just one fight. For example I like the over on Pascal v Hopkins and Timothy Bradley -200 against Devon Alexander is a steal at that price. Bet small over a number of fights and build up your roll slowly....The way I do things is wreckless you can say, because since I have built up my roll, I have gone on my gut instinct to make big money. So far it's paid off, BUT if I lost 3 or 4 big bets in a row its literally back to the day job for me. Its not an easy way to make a living but I am mortgage free so no matter what happens I have had a good run from gambling. Let's hope my gut instinct is right on this one. I am always happy when there is an element of doubt in my mind. Like seeing great cappers making great cases for Froch. Still I have a HUGE hunch on this. I wouldn't be playing so large if I didn't.
Good luck to us Saturday.
Guys here is the weigh in - > https://www.katsomo.fi/?treeId=20501&progId=54577
Be patient while it loads, then Fast forward to 14:30.
Both guys look in tremendous shape. Froch for sure looks confident and more relaxed out of the 2. No doubt. Abraham looks all business. When Froch says fight time in the stare down, the intensity in Abraham's nod and stare said more than any words could say....Showtime!!!
Guys here is the weigh in - > https://www.katsomo.fi/?treeId=20501&progId=54577
Be patient while it loads, then Fast forward to 14:30.
Both guys look in tremendous shape. Froch for sure looks confident and more relaxed out of the 2. No doubt. Abraham looks all business. When Froch says fight time in the stare down, the intensity in Abraham's nod and stare said more than any words could say....Showtime!!!
hey mack!
No play for me buddy. Nadal's worst surface against a dangerous opponent. These tournies tend to surprise but I can't ever back against a warrior like Nadal. No play for me
hey mack!
No play for me buddy. Nadal's worst surface against a dangerous opponent. These tournies tend to surprise but I can't ever back against a warrior like Nadal. No play for me
Onto the video you can tell Abraham/Froch truly don't like each other, and I still think that favors Abraham because he can stick to a game plan regardless of his dislike for someone.
Froch's ego is a bit too big, he may try too hard and gas himself out, although he does look in good shape, Abraham looks much bulkier and almost in a different weight class.
Here's to tomorrow, a good evening and night of boxing!
Enjoy Fellas!
Onto the video you can tell Abraham/Froch truly don't like each other, and I still think that favors Abraham because he can stick to a game plan regardless of his dislike for someone.
Froch's ego is a bit too big, he may try too hard and gas himself out, although he does look in good shape, Abraham looks much bulkier and almost in a different weight class.
Here's to tomorrow, a good evening and night of boxing!
Enjoy Fellas!
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